[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:17] <sgclark> good evening
[07:19] <soee> goor morning :)
[07:20] <lordievader> Hey soee, sgclark 
[07:20] <lordievader> How are you both doing?
[07:21] <sgclark> trying to finsh backports but falling asleep haha
[07:22] <lordievader> Perhaps it is a better idea to continue tommorow?
[07:22] <lordievader> Falling asleep at the keyboard ain't a good thing.
[07:22] <sgclark> that will be the certain outcome yes
[07:34] <sgclark> Riddell: yofel: or anyone interested https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ninjas/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/5485548/+listing-archive-extra needs review. It is for trusty to add an upstream patch and I went ahead and made the the last release while I was at it.
[07:34] <sgclark> akonadi
[07:35] <vip> hi ho
[07:36] <sgclark> hiyas
[09:17] <soee> someone is using Kmail in 15.10 ?
[09:19] <yofel> me
[09:21] <zokiDimovski> I am too. 
[09:22] <soee> yofel, zokiDimovski any problems with it or is it stable enough to be used as primary mail client ?
[09:23] <yofel> WFM as my primary client, even the random akonadi hangups seem to be gone in wily. I still have Thunderbird installed as fallback though - just in case
[09:25] <zokiDimovski> I just got "akonadi resource" crash.
[09:25] <yofel> SIGH
[09:27] <zokiDimovski> yofel: do you have problem with icon on kmail after you invoke it from systray?
[09:29] <zokiDimovski> soee: well I took the risk and put 15.10 on my production machine. and it's stabel enough. don't have any problem with sending/recieving.
[09:30] <soee> zokiDimovski: 15.10 works pretty fine for me to - i have it on 2 machines. Im just curious about Kmail
[09:30] <soee> can i timport accounts from thunderbird ?
[09:30] <soee> *can it
[09:30] <zokiDimovski> soee: the only problem I have now is that "akonadi resource" is crashing. The icon after I open the app from systray. and maybe some other stuff.
[09:31] <zokiDimovski> soee: don't know if you can import account. but you can import the messages.
[09:32] <zokiDimovski> soee: I've never used thunderbird though, as my primary email client. Kmail was always my choice.
[09:32] <yofel> I don't use the systray icon. If I start kmail normally the icon works fine. But I think the message windows have no icon
[09:34] <zokiDimovski> yofel: yes, the icon is still there if I use kmail from task manager all is good. but after I put it in systray and the open it, the icon is gone.
[09:35] <yofel> Please file a bug then, I have no idea what's responsible for assigning the right icon there
[09:38] <zokiDimovski> I will. I'm reading now to get to know my self with the procedure.
[09:39] <zokiDimovski> yofel: I've upgraded from 15.04 to 15.10. I would like to test this on new installation, just to see if I have the same problem there.
[09:54] <zokiDimovski> soee: you said 15.10 is working fine on you two machines. I'm waiting a lot for the desktop to start. This was not the case on 15.04. Even on ssd, is very very slow.
[09:55] <soee> the loading screen afer sddm or when booting 
[09:55] <soee> ?
[09:55] <zokiDimovski> the loading screen after sddm. 
[09:55] <soee> yes it is longer a lot
[09:56] <soee> but thi is due to Plasma 5 changes i think
[09:58] <zokiDimovski> this morning the desktop didn't started after the updates. I had to restart sddm and then it started. Don't know why is this happening, but everyday I'm testing this and the last 3 3-4 days, always happens.
[10:07] <soee> zokiDimovski: it doesnt start for me only if i use nvidia profile on my optimus tech laptop
[10:07] <soee> with intel it works fine
[10:07] <soee> ok, kmail configured ... lets see how it works 
[10:07] <soee> kmail sends notifications to systray when i close client ?
[10:17] <yofel> it should by default, you need to check "switch offline on kmail shutdown" in the resource retrieval options if you don't want that
[10:23] <soee> yofel: i want, but atm. i have notification message only
[10:23] <soee> no systray entry
[10:23] <yofel> oh the tray icon, That's Settings>Appearance>System Tray
[10:26] <soee> yes just found it :) thank you
[10:27] <soee> we need some nicer icon for the systray imo, i'll post request for breeze theme
[10:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:07] <soee> yofel: is there some option to mark message as read when i open it ? 
[11:51] <yofel> soee: Settings>Misc>Folders>Mark selected message as read after 0sec
[11:51] <yofel> then disable the message preview
[11:51] <yofel> or not if you use it
[11:53] <soee> yofel: yes, thank you. Kmail works great so far
[11:53] <soee> 5 accounts configured 
[11:58] <soee> setting icons size for menubar in Kmail to 256x256 is cool :)
[12:23] <clivejo> anyone know why Telegram Desktop doesnt have a Taskbar icon?
[12:23] <clivejo> yet it does have a system tray icon :/
[12:25] <soee> there never was taskabr linke i other apps for Telegram
[12:31] <clivejo> can I make one?
[12:31] <popey> hello.. seems something amiss with kdenlive in wily.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenlive/+bug/1504526
[12:32] <dracnoc> Hi. Using kub1510b2 - has anyone else come up against a random freeze in muon discover? Works normally for me installing a new app, but afterwards becomes unresponsive. Clicking X brings up the unresponsive/terminate application window.
[12:38] <ovidiu-florin> sitter: what's the difference between apt update and apt-get update?
[12:39] <soee> dracnoc: sorry, never used discover :/
[12:39] <soee> i pefere old muon :)
[12:39] <sitter> ovidiu-florin: using different frontends
[12:40] <ovidiu-florin> sitter: I'm not sure I understand
[12:40] <sitter> man apt
[12:51] <BluesKaj> discover doesn't cover all packages in my experience, good old muon does 
[12:56] <sitter> popey: only happens when opening a file dialog?
[12:56] <lordievader> BluesKaj: That is the difference between a software center and a package manager.
[12:57] <popey> sitter: I haven't got much further in to find out, because without clips I can't really do much
[12:58] <sitter> true true
[12:58] <sitter> popey: please try to install kinit and restart kdenlive
[12:58] <sitter> see if that fixes it
[12:58] <popey> ok
[12:59] <popey> sitter: yes, i now see files in the file dialog
[13:04] <popey> sitter: thank you :)
[13:06] <sitter> fix uploaded
[13:21] <soee> uh new mesa updates
[13:28] <soee> someone used this email client https://nylas.com/N1/ ?
[13:41] <soee> https://www.calligra.org/news/calligra-2-9-8-released/
[13:55] <Riddell> clivejo: your favourite package has a new version ^^ !
[14:01] <clivejo> Riddell: yippeee
[14:03] <Riddell> sgclark: any luck getting testers?
[14:04] <howlymowly> hi everyone ...  short question:  in kubuntu 15.10 newest updates I am trying to add a printer  but it just doesn't work?  it wont show up in the list of printers I have?
[14:11] <soee> howlymowly: it doesnt show on  the list when you click to add new printer ?
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Riddell, testers for ?
[14:15] <Riddell> howlymowly: maybe you don't have all the drivers installed
[14:15] <Riddell> BluesKaj: what what?
[14:16] <Riddell> BluesKaj: oh sgclark made packages for plasma for vivid and an update to kdepim for trusty
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Riddell, ok, no vivid install here, and I don't use pim on trusty 
[14:31] <yofel> I can try it here later
[14:32] <soee> clivejo: i'm ready to test new Calligra if you package it
[14:36] <yofel> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[14:36] <yofel>   kubuntu-desktop kwin kwin-addons kwin-common kwin-x11
[14:36] <yofel> hm...
[14:37] <clivejo> thats not good
[14:37] <soee> yofel: on Trusty ?
[14:37] <yofel> vivid with staging-plasma
[14:37] <soee> ah, ok
[14:39] <yofel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12724029/
[14:39] <yofel> looks like frameworks hasn't been published yet
[14:40]  * yofel waits
[16:32] <Riddell> hmm, applications 15.08.2
[16:32] <Riddell> this might be worth it for kdepim fixes
[17:47] <sgclark> yeah I cant get pim to build on vivid
[17:48] <sgclark> frameworks are still being worked on. I was up too late working on them.
[18:10] <sgclark> oh the trusty fix was akonadi not kdepim
[18:14] <marco-parillo> Did I just see KDE Frameworks 5.15 fly by on a Wily upgrade?
[18:15] <yofel> likely
[18:15] <Riddell> fly like a bird on the wind
[18:15] <Riddell> testing welcomed
[18:16] <marco-parillo> Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a bannana. I pretty much use Wily all the time so if major breakage occurs, I will shout. And I may try to post something on the Wire and on G+
[18:16] <Riddell> marco-parillo: not yet, wait for upstream to announce it first
[18:17] <Riddell> which is due tomorrow
[18:17] <marco-parillo> OK. I think I made that mistake on Plasma 5.4.2, and Phornix caught me.
[18:39] <sgclark> Riddell: someone taking applications?
[18:40] <Riddell> sgclark: not yet, feel free to if you want but you already have backports on the go so as ever don't overload yourself
[18:41] <sgclark> well, pim will not build on vivid so I hope that it will cure my ail. kf5 is just a matter of hitting the rebuild script. so I will claim applications.
[18:41] <Riddell> go for it :)
[18:41] <sgclark> cool will do
[18:42] <Rick_Timmis> Got some good results with Wily Beta1 today..
[18:43] <Rick_Timmis> All installed 600+ updates, configured and looking good
[18:43] <Rick_Timmis> I'll run it as the main daily workstation at the office next week..
[18:43] <Rick_Timmis> Looking very shiny :-)
[18:45] <BluesKaj> seems so today Rick_Timmis, had a few probs 2 days ago ..no desktop, but all is well for the time being
[18:46] <Rick_Timmis> Hmm, well the daily grind might show up some issues next week, but I hope not it looking gorgeous and I just order a shinny new SSD to install it on
[18:47] <yofel> so, 5.15 update went well, except that it killed kinit
[18:48] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'll be looking for ssd sales at the end of the month 
[18:49] <BluesKaj> yofel, so is that why I couldn't get a desktop a couple of days back
[18:50] <BluesKaj> ?
[18:50] <yofel> probably not, at least nothing like that happened to me
[18:50] <yofel> hm, plasma just froze..
[18:51] <BluesKaj> the splash screen wouldn't finish then I had no screen at all
[18:51] <yofel> if you still had a mouse, I saw something like that when plasma for some reason didn't remove a lockfile from the previous session
[18:51] <yofel> took a while to figure out what was wrong...
[18:52] <yofel> plasma needs to learn how to communicate problems better :/
[18:53] <BluesKaj> I managed to get the desktop once a few mesa apps were upgraded so i assumed it was OpenGL or some such that wasn't rendering
[19:01] <yofel> that turned out to be a broken NFS mount, lovely how that can freeze half of the system
[19:02] <sgclark> valorie: ping
[19:02] <sgclark> ouch
[19:06] <lordievader> yofel: Yeah, if plasma wants something from a broken NFS mount it will just hang...
[19:25] <yofel> so, gave nvidia another try, without luck. Not sure how those guys on the lp bug were able to login at all. Maybe lightdm isn't as easy to break as sddm
[19:32] <yofel> or maybe I couldn't figure out how to login with sddm without seeing anything
[19:33] <yofel> switched to lightdm, obviously managed to do an invisible login, and suddenly I have a working nvidia session o.O
[19:35] <BluesKaj> yofel, I had to login the VT then enable sddm, but that was after the mesa upgrades and then I was able to login with sddm
[19:39] <yofel> nah, intel+mesa works fine here, this is just about nvidia optimus
[19:39] <yofel> but I did notice that the login takes a bit longer than normal... at least judging from how long the splash screen stays up
[19:44] <BluesKaj> yofel, well, nvidia here so mesa was the problem for me 
[20:01] <claydoh> yofel, I got nvidia working (optimus) by enabling autologin on sddm, lol.
[20:01] <claydoh> some talk of scripting a screen bla ning/unblanking somewhere, but I didn't need that
[20:02] <claydoh> this is 15.10 and nvidia-352
[20:14] <yofel> yeah, that would work too - after all I just had to figure out how to login somehow
[20:14] <yofel> maybe I'll do the same
[20:19] <valorie> sgclark: here for another half-hour or so
[20:19] <valorie> what's up?
[20:26] <sgclark> valorie: I am going to seagl thingy and just wondering if your around that weekend
[20:27] <valorie> which weekend?
[20:27] <valorie> I've lost track
[20:27] <sgclark> 24th
[20:27] <valorie> oh, next weekend?
[20:27] <valorie> himm
[20:27] <valorie> I mean, hmmm
[20:27] <valorie> are you coming up by train?
[20:27] <sgclark> yes
[20:27] <valorie> 2 weeks, not next week, silly Valorie
[20:27] <sgclark> right 2 weeks
[20:28] <valorie> Friday night, or Sat. morning?
[20:28] <sgclark> sorry just found out about it
[20:28] <sgclark> have not got tickets yet, wanted to reach out to you first
[20:28] <valorie> no problem, I'm on their mail list, but have been ignorning mail
[20:28] <valorie> I can pick you up either time
[20:29] <valorie> it's a nice lil conf
[20:29] <valorie> Deb Richardson is awesome and fantastic and you should totally meet her
[20:29] <sgclark> I guess we are teaming up with washinton loco, I am the only one there for oregon..
[20:30] <valorie> someone is doing a table?
[20:30] <valorie> woah
[20:30] <valorie> am I out of the loop or what
[20:30] <sgclark> yeah both our loco one table I think
[20:30] <valorie> that is wonderful and cool
[20:32] <valorie> as I recall last year I tried to get a room for us on Sat. night but that didn't materialize
[20:32] <valorie> it's an hour drive, but doable
[20:32] <valorie> from here, I mean
[20:33] <sgclark> I can get funding for a room if that is easier
[20:33] <sgclark> Walter is taking care of all the logistics as he cannot come
[20:34] <sgclark> will have ubuntu swag, would be nice to have some kubuntu swag but I am beyond broke
[20:38] <valorie> if you get funding for a room, I can provide the car and meals
[20:38] <sgclark> deal and thanks!
[20:38] <valorie> I've got DVDs left from the lfnw
[20:38] <valorie> I'll bring those and whatever else I can dig up
[20:39] <valorie> if you don't get funding for a room, we'll just drive more
[20:39] <valorie> :-)
[20:39] <valorie> my car is a hybrid; easy on gas
[20:39] <sgclark> :)
[20:39] <sgclark> should be able to
[20:40] <sgclark> will let you know. Look forward to seeing you!
[20:40] <sgclark> applications 15.08.2 running, off to the store bbl
[20:42] <sgclark> ahoneybun: did you do something with DVD covers? that would be nice 
[20:42] <valorie> see y'all on Sunday
[20:42] <sgclark> kk have a good weekend
[20:42] <valorie> he has some we could print out, I guess?
[20:42] <valorie> might be fun
[20:42] <sgclark> yeah that would be great I think
[20:52] <ahoneybun> I have the cover and back done
[20:52] <ahoneybun> need to grab the source files from ovidiu-florin's server I think
[20:53] <ahoneybun> sgclark: valorie ^
[20:54] <ahoneybun> sgclark: you could also make the booklet andrea and I are making
[20:57] <ahoneybun> something like this maybe: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c5/58/2d/c5582d18b6215f8ee77f35e35e842959.jpg
[21:08] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: source files of what?
[21:08] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: the dvd
[21:11] <ovidiu-florin> do you need the server URL again?
[21:11] <ahoneybun> I don't even have the software installed anyway
[21:18] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: do you have a kde identty?
[21:19] <ahoneybun> yep
[21:19] <ovidiu-florin> you can use share.kde.org
[21:20] <ahoneybun> the login button does not work