[00:15] <TheBlackK> hello
[01:29] <yarn_witch> hello
[01:31] <yarn_witch> i've never installed a linux distro myself, but im attempting to put kubuntu onto a thinkpad T61 tonight. Will anyone be around if I have awkward first-timer questions?
[01:50] <abrahams> yarn_witch: if you are completely new to linux, you will probably be more effective Googling your questions than asking on IRC
[01:51] <abrahams> Many people have taken the time to write good answers to most beginner questions, whereas here it's all off-the-cuff
[01:52] <yarn_witch> I'm doing that currently, and hoping maybe I don't have to ask, but if it comes up, its nice to know there's a cushion of some sort. Everyone starts somewhere, right?
[01:57] <yarn_witch> aaand already messed up... apparently wubi installs it within the windows partition, so i can't get rid of windows afterward. so sayeth google.
[02:04] <abrahams> Is formatting HDD an option?
[02:06] <yarn_witch> I wouldn't miss anything on it. Unless you're asking if it gave an option, then no. I see a few ways to do non-Wubi, but I am still reading.
[02:17] <abrahams> What I recommend is creating a live USB
[02:18] <abrahams> Boot the computer from the USB
[02:18] <yarn_witch> I read that that would destroy any other files on the USB, is that correct?
[02:18] <yarn_witch> I'd be happy to move them over if that works.
[02:18] <abrahams> Yeah, you'll have to format the USB
[02:19] <yarn_witch> I can live with that. Thank you for helping so far. I'm going to move some work documents and then see how that works.
[02:19] <abrahams> No problem.
[02:21] <yarn_witch> I got a permission denied error on the wubi install anyway. Should I be worried? Let me check the log file for info...
[02:22] <abrahams> Well if you're wiping the machine, doesn't matter if some stuff got messed up.
[02:27] <yarn_witch> fair enough
[02:52] <yarn_witch> its working! and i am excited
[02:52] <yarn_witch> you're magic, abrahams
[02:54] <abrahams> Thank the fine contributors of the debian/ubuntu/kubuntu stack, not me
[03:14] <yarn_witch> rebooted perfectly
[03:15] <yarn_witch> no more windows
[03:16] <abrahams> Very nice.
[03:16] <abrahams> One thing I recommend, sudo apt-get install muon
[03:16] <abrahams> It adds a more "power-user-friendly" package manager
[03:17] <yarn_witch> it seems to already have muon
[03:18] <yarn_witch> it looks like a happy little garbage bin
[03:18] <yarn_witch> that is blue
[03:22] <abrahams> You want the one with the brown cardboard box
[03:22] <abrahams> Muon-discover I think is the default
[03:24] <yarn_witch> ah. good to know
[03:29] <abrahams> I think the other piece of advice I'd give is, the greatest thing about KDE is customization options
[03:30] <abrahams> I'd go through the System Settings and look one by one at the different modules listed there and poke around to see what you uncover
[03:31] <abrahams> Also applications like Dolphin and Konsole have huge settings menus and lists of keyboard shortcuts
[03:33] <yarn_witch> ooh
[03:33] <yarn_witch> i feel like i should have messed with this a long time ago.
[03:35] <abrahams> Actually I think you're joining at a great time, the KDE ecosystem is really blasting off recently since Plasma 5
[03:36] <yarn_witch> that's great to hear! haha. i guess im regretting not learning when i was living with a debian fanatic.
[03:36] <yarn_witch> though i think this is off topic enough to move to the other room now
[03:38] <yarn_witch> muon is updated.
[03:38] <yarn_witch> i also need to check on my python junk
[03:41] <abrahams> Cool, enjoy the new setup
[04:58] <Dusti[N]> ?join #ubuntu
[04:58] <Dusti[N]> oops sorry
[05:08] <Dusti[N]> howdy! is a question im going to probably repost in kubuntu also incase no one can help me here just FYI peeps with @'s in both. But my question is "ive had alot of errors in !5.04 and would like to go back to the LTS but not only go back but switch from ubuntu to kubuntu and have alot of downloads, pictures and documents that i can just delete so how to do this and not lose my data or crash my computer ?
[05:15] <Dusti[N]> sorry that didnt make total scents at the begining
[07:12] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:07] <amichair> How does one configure mouse button actions (beyond the standard 3)? (Kubuntu 15.04)
[08:17] <soee> amichair: oh that i dont know
[08:17] <soee> maybe you need some special driver for it but i'm not sure
[08:18] <soee> lordievader: do you know maybe more ^?
[08:19] <lordievader> xmodmap maybe?
[08:19] <amichair> soee: the buttons are properly detected (e.g. show up with xev), so I don't think it's a driver issue - the question is how to configure what they do. System settings only seem to cover the 3 standard buttons...
[08:19] <lordievader> Rarely do anything with mouse keys, I'm a keyboard guy.
[08:21] <hateball> KDE itself only knows about 3 buttons iirc, but you can use other apps to assign the buttons to actions
[08:21] <hateball> however the buttons should work like expected in say firefox or chromium, ootb
[08:22] <amichair> hateball: back/forward indeed work in FF, but I can't find where that configuration comes from, how they can be changed (globally or in other apps), and how to change another button which seems to do nothing...
[08:27] <hateball> I don't know either, I just go with "magic"
[08:28] <hateball> amichair: I dunno if imwheel is still a thing, you might have some luck using that
[08:28] <hateball> I remember using it many years ago
[08:48] <tahaan> Today's update just decided it should uninstall random things.  Kate.  Quassel.  Dolphin.  Calligra.* Akregator.  And about 50 others.
[08:48] <soee> tahaan: on what Kubuntu version  ?
[08:49] <tahaan> 14.04
[08:49] <soee> Riddell: do we had some updates there that might cause this ^ ?
[08:50] <tahaan> I'm adding things I care about back in and nothing clashes with anything else yet
[08:54] <Riddell> um I don't know of any update to 14.04
[08:57] <tahaan> I don't think it is safe to reboot now.
[08:57] <tahaan> xorg.
[08:57] <tahaan> plasma
[08:57] <tahaan> xserver
[08:57] <tahaan> 270 packages removed!
[08:58] <ghostcube> woah the sddm screen and the foowing splash can cause eye cancer srsly
[08:58] <ghostcube> *following
[08:58] <soee> tahaan: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[08:59] <tahaan> soee: 0 upgraded, 121 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:59] <tahaan> Need to get 87,2 MB/87,2 MB of archives.
[08:59] <tahaan> Obviously I'm letting it go on.
[09:06] <tahaan> Why is the apt log so quickly overwritten.
[09:07] <tahaan> Fortunately I made a backup.  I need to make a list of what else I need to re-install.
[09:09] <hateball> tahaan: in /var/log/apt/ you should have a whole bunch of rotated logs
[09:10] <hateball> history*
[09:10] <hateball> They should not be overwritten
[09:10] <tahaan> Oh, I just looked at the last one.  THanx
[10:58] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:01] <RefleX-mrl> hi all. could i use openelec backups for kubuntu? :|
[11:03] <hateball> How patient
[11:53] <P4> Hi! Where can I find logs of this channel?
[11:54] <soee> P4: check in home folder in "logs" folder
[11:54] <soee> oh wait, what IRC client ae you using ?
[11:55] <P4> soee: I am using weechat and was here days back and asked a question. I would like to re-ask the same question on #ubuntu as here nobody answered and I have no session available to leave. I do not log in weechat but I received an on-join message that the channel is logged. Therefore I asked about logs published by the channel logged on-line and not my client
[11:56] <P4> Also I am interested in searching previous chats that happened when I was not on-line
[11:56] <soee> there are login online available for this channel im sure
[11:56] <soee> P4: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[11:57] <P4> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ has nothing related or I am just blind
[11:57] <P4> oh thank you soee
[12:01] <BluesKaj> P4, why not just repeat your question now?
[12:01] <P4> Okay find my problem details back and since I can see more activity than before I will ask here again. So I am trying to do-release-upgrade which segfaults. pudb reports that on line 8 an exception occurs: "ImportError: No module named DistUpgrade.DistUpgradeVersion". Maybe somebody could point me the right direction to resolve this issue. apt-get dist-upgrade reports nothing to do.
[12:01] <P4> That is exactly what I wanted to try ;)
[12:03] <BluesKaj> P4, are you on a LTS?
[12:04] <BluesKaj> first of all make sure all packages on your present OS are up to date
[12:05] <P4> how can I check that, BluesKaj? apt sources reports stuff like deb http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ utopic main restricted then with multiverse, universe and other. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade reports nothing to be done
[12:06] <BluesKaj> P4, run sudo apt upgrade, don't skip to dist-upgrade
[12:07] <P4> I would rather focus on the package that provides DistUpgrade.DistUpgradeVersion but I may be wrong. I do all apt stuff as root but will confirm the upgrade in a moment.
[12:07] <BluesKaj> if you see any packages held back then run dis-upgrade
[12:08] <BluesKaj> err dist-upgrade
[12:10] <P4> okay, so nothing to be done by upgrade either. previously updating the repos went straight forward but now I can see some hits some ignored and some 404 :/ wanna see pastebin of the refresh? by the way, on debian testing I use to ommit upgrade without any issues but now following your guidelines.
[12:11] <P4> nothing on hold either
[12:11] <BluesKaj> ok , from which OS are upgrading and to which OS do you want to upgrade?
[12:13] <P4> How can I check my current OS release? I just booted this system after a long time and there was a systray message that there is a new release so I went to GUI updater which reported nothing to be update but on top of the window found that there is new release just like the systray baloon reported. release upgrading with GUI does nothing so I went to console and found segfault.
[12:14] <lordievader> P4: Is 'ubuntu-release-upgrader-core' installed?
[12:15] <P4> dpkg -l | grep release | grep core"
[12:15] <P4> "dpkg -l | grep release | grep core" reports that it is
[12:16] <hume> hi... anywhere I can post a screenshot of my desktop so I can ask for help with it?
[12:16] <P4> Isn't it about some python pachages broken not providing DistUpgrade.DistUpgradeVersion?
[12:16] <BluesKaj> P4, lsb_release -a
[12:16] <P4> release 14.10 codename utopic
[12:17] <BluesKaj> P4, have you edited your sources.list and added some non default repositories?
[12:18] <lordievader> It could have to do with utopic being EOL.
[12:18] <lordievader> !eol
[12:19] <P4> BluesKaj: could be, my source.list is at http://pastebin.ca/3187105
[12:19] <P4> will check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades thanks for a hint lordievader
[12:20] <hume> ok... here's a problem. See my screendump at http://picpaste.com/snapshot1-qMWGSAWX.png. How do I get rid of the strange grey field at the bottom? It's there after changing resolution. Nothing happens when right-clicking on it. I don't know what it is
[12:21] <P4> btw source.list.d includes no files
[12:24] <P4> oh, seems 14.10 is EOL. will focus on upgrading to 15.10 following EOLUpgrade wiki page
[12:28] <BluesKaj> P4, do you have separate / and /home partitions?
[12:29] <P4> Should be not. mount reports only / mounted (and /home/.ecryptfs/user/.Private but I believe this is not the case)
[12:35] <BluesKaj> P4, there's a method to change the sources list to the target OS, then update and upgrade , but I'm not sure that will work without breaking someting
[12:38] <P4> will check that. in case of a break I can always install from scratch but I would prefer to have my config in place. thanks for helping. will play some and return in case of questions. :)
[12:39] <BluesKaj> P4, I can gibe you the command that will change your sources.list if you wish
[12:39] <BluesKaj> give
[12:40] <P4> if you'd be that kind to do so then you are welcome very much :) something with sed I guess
[12:40] <BluesKaj> sudo sed -i 's/utopic/vivid/' /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:41] <P4> can i replace vivid with wily in your command?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> no, you can't skip OSs without breaking the system
[12:43] <P4> oh, it is not release yet. will wait with wily till Oct 22. ah, so step by step. okay
[12:44] <BluesKaj> yes, but you can upgrade to Wily from Vivid ...Wily beta2 is available
[12:45] <BluesKaj> if you feel adventurous and and don't rquire a stable release
[12:45] <P4> I'm a fanboy of testing/unstable releases on my home boxes everytime ;)
[12:47] <P4> okay, upgrade want to get 1.2GB of data. will close all programs to get better performane and avoid possible issues. thanks for great support, talk to you later \o
[12:47] <BluesKaj> ok, then after installing Vivid and it's up to date , run sudo do-release-upgrade -d , to upgrade to Wily , the -d means development release
[12:47] <P4> will focus on the first step first ;)
[12:47] <BluesKaj> ok , good luck
[12:51] <hume> hi again....anyone got any ideas on the grey field at the bottom of this screen? http://picpaste.com/snapshot1-qMWGSAWX.png
[12:52] <BluesKaj> hume, which gpu and driver are you using?
[12:55] <BluesKaj> hume, which graphics card for starters
[13:00] <hume> BluesKaj, lspci says this: "VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 [GeForce GT 640] (rev a1)"
[13:02] <hume> I use a nvidia driver, version 34.96
[13:02] <hume> ii  nvidia-346                                           346.59-0ubuntu1                            amd64        NVIDIA binary driver - version 346.59
[13:04] <BluesKaj> hume, ok, have you updated and upgraded lately ?
[13:04] <hume> yes, very recently
[13:05] <hume> this happened after connecting remotely via nomachine, and resizing the desktop
[13:08] <BluesKaj> ahhh, that puts a different light on the matter, I have no idea how to use NX or what your problem might be, sorry
[13:09] <hume> yeah, well, it seems not to be related to NX, but being caused by the resizing of the desktop
[13:09] <BluesKaj> maybe some one else has experience with it
[13:09] <hume> this only occurs in plasma, no other desktop - right now I use Mate
[13:10] <lordievader> What happens when you set an alternative resolution?
[13:11] <hume> welll.....everyting gets garbled.... then when I switch to a terminal (Ctrl-Alt-F1) and then back (Alt-F7), I get a lower resolution, but the grey matter remains
[13:12] <hume> my feeling is that there is something wrong with kwin or whatever is producing the desktop - is there a way to reset it, back to scratch?
[13:12] <lordievader> hume: Does a new account have the same problem?
[13:12] <hume> havent tested, let me try
[13:17] <hume> lordievader, no, a new user gets a clean desktop, no grey banner
[13:19] <lordievader> hume: Right, I'd rename your ~/.local/share/kscreen folder.
[13:20] <hume> then log in again?
[13:21] <lordievader> Yes.
[13:30] <hume> lordievader, yes, it's solved! thanks!
[13:30] <hume> bye for now
[13:30] <lordievader> No problem.
[14:45] <Guest8529> Please forgive noobness, I'm a recent Linux convert, started with Gnome, dissatisfied, wishing to make KDE leap. Is Kubuntu best way to go? So many distros with KDE to choose from.
[14:46] <kaeferli> generally speaking: any *ubuntu system fits for beginners
[14:48] <Guest8529> kaeferli: Thanks, I was thinking same. OpenSuse looks interesting, but I'm baffled by the partitioning in the installer. I need to dual boot with Win10, and that installer frightened me too much.
[14:49] <Guest8529> Ubuntu seems more straightforward and seems to assume I may wish to dual boot.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> Guest8529, I've been on Kubuntu/KDE for over 10yrs because it's so configurable, but like any DE it's a matter of taste and requirements
[14:49] <BluesKaj> !UEFI
[14:50] <Guest8529> Thanks, BluesKaj. Plasma 5 looks so sweet, and I've read many positive reviews.
[14:51] <Guest8529> BluesKaj and kaeferli: I'll download and give it a shot. Thanks for your thoughts.
[14:51] <Phoenixz> What is the future for Kubuntu? I've been reading a lot of "15.10" will be the last one and that's it due to bullcrap from Ubuntu.. Any views on this? Also, since 15.04 was a disaster, and 15.10 so far seems to be going more and more in the direction of 15.04 for some reason, I have little hope that I'll still be using kubuntu in a month time, really don't like that prospect
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Phoenixz, don't believe internet rumours, especially about Kubuntu, none of that BS is true
[14:55] <Phoenixz> BluesKaj: Okay, that's great to hear.. But will it also get cleaned up? 15.04 was just unworkable on my laptop.. I've squirmed through the nightmare that was that release for 2 weeks until I upgraded to 15.10, which worked quite reasonable for being a pre alpha at that time, but in the past few weeks, new updates seem to revert problems I was having in 15.04 as well (my loging screen is a black screen, again, for example, loads
[14:55] <Phoenixz>  of crashes, etc).. I really don't understand it that 15.10 did not have them and now suddely its like its receiving those bugs from 15.04 somehow..
[14:56] <Phoenixz> Also, Is it correct that Kubuntu is now sponsored by Blue Systems?
[14:59] <svend-ev> Good morning
[15:00] <BluesKaj> Phoenixz, yes to your question about Blue Systems, 15.10 beta 2 is available in the dailies and it's much more stable now
[15:02] <BluesKaj> Phoenixz, if you have / and /home partitions then a daily image will take about 30mins to install if you just set the mountpoint for /home and install the OS to /
[15:02] <BluesKaj> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[15:03] <BluesKaj> and use manual partitioning
[15:04] <Phoenixz> BluesKaj: I'm currently running 15.10, already since like a month after the official release of 15.04, and it was stable in the beginning and has become a whole lot less stable ever since.. Right now, when I boot up,  I get a black screen.. I know its the login screen, because I can type my password and it will go to the desktop..  If screen is turned off due to me not using hte computer, there is a 50% chance it will stay
[15:04] <Phoenixz> black and stop responding to keyboard (CTRL-ALT-F1 won't even work)..  Sometimes it locks the screen but forgets to show the unlock screen for like 10 minutes, so I have to sit and stare to my dekstop without being able to do any work untile the lock screen finally shows up.. I've had  all these problems in 15.04, then 15.10 did not have them, now it does again, and that is very frustratiung to say the least
[15:04] <Phoenixz> BluesKaj: Could I do an upgrade? I don't have the time to be reinstalling like that
[15:08] <BluesKaj> Phoenixz, you can add the staging ppa and kubuntu-ci ppa in launchpad to your sources.list to upgrade, but installing the daily image is the recommended method of upgrading a development OS
[15:15] <Phoenixz> BluesKaj: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stage for kubuntu-ci ppa, but which one would the staging be?
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Phoenixz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications
[15:22] <BluesKaj> Phoenixz, note, Work in progress KDE Applications packages, do not use unless testing packaging (and remove it from apt sources afterwards)
[15:25] <Phoenixz> BluesKaj: Well, I've been using 15.10 basically a month after 15.04 was released, and it was stable enough.. I'm willing to give that a try because current situation cannot be worse, realistically.. I'm actually considering reinstalling 14.10 again, that at least just worked
[15:25] <Phoenixz> BluesKaj: Thanks for the info!
[15:27] <BluesKaj> Phoenixz, 14.10 is EOL, no longer supported, suggest you install 14.04LTS since it's still still Long Term Support
[15:27] <BluesKaj> 'scuse the repitition
[15:57] <denza242> so uh
[15:58] <denza242> i have a broken package which is holding back my other packages from being upgraded
[15:58] <denza242> er, "partially installed" package
[15:58] <denza242> but actually it's installed
[15:58] <denza242> how do I make apt ignore it
[16:01] <Khaotic> I use hexchat on 15.04. why cant i minimize and exit to the tray?
[16:01] <denza242> Setting up vstloggerpro (3.8.4.6) ... gtk-update-icon-cache: No theme index file.
[16:06] <denza242> pls hlep
[16:06] <denza242> Khaotic: check the config
[16:07] <Khaotic> i tried that
[16:08] <Khaotic> ive read on the internet its something to do with plasma. and did they get rid of the oxygen theme?
[16:08] <Khaotic> i miss being able to tab windows
[16:09] <BluesKaj> denza242, run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:11] <denza242> Setting up vstloggerpro (3.8.4.6) ... gtk-update-icon-cache: No theme index file.
[16:11] <denza242> ^this isn't an issue for me, since I don't use any gtk themes
[16:13] <denza242> BluesKaj: i tried dpkg --configure -a and i still get this
[16:14] <BluesKaj> ok try, sudo apt -f install
[16:23] <denza242> BluesKaj: same error
[16:30] <BluesKaj> denza242, pastebin the error please
[16:38] <BluesKaj> !paste | denza242
[17:06] <viktor_> hello guys, i have a question, i tried upgrade my system, but couldnt, there is a notification that say: Updates availabel and when i open it once its empty, and the notification not missing , anyone idea?
[17:06] <kaeferli> maybe kernel upgrades?
[17:07] <BluesKaj> viktor_, what are you using to update/upgrade?
[17:10] <viktor_> idk, i just have a notification icon next to the wifi icon (left corner)
[17:10] <viktor_> and sudo apt-get upgrade finishing with this : The following packages have been kept back:   libdrm-intel1 libdrm-intel1:i386 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-nouveau2:i386 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm-radeon1:i386 libdrm2 libdrm2:i386 libegl1-mesa libgbm1   libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 libwayland-egl1-mesa
[17:11] <BluesKaj> viktor_, run sudo apt dist-upgrade
[17:11] <viktor_> ok, thanks
[17:12] <viktor_> it solved, thank you Kaj
[17:45] <denza242> BluesKaj: https://paste.kde.org/pydbnrxfo/7w1md7
[17:45] <denza242> sorry, I was afk
[17:48] <BluesKaj> denza242, have you seen this http://www.vernier.com/forums/logger-pro-linux/103-logger-pro-for-linux-for-ubuntu-12-and-labquest-2/
[18:05] <denza242> BluesKaj: i think it's fixed now
[18:07] <BluesKaj> run an update and upgrade to check
[18:08] <denza242> now i can finally install my BLEEDING EDGE(tm) libdrm stuff to break my X :D
[18:09] <denza242> ...or not.
[19:05] <wladymyr> so.. Hello
[19:50] <jiyuhen> Good evening all
[19:51] <lordievader> o/
[21:00] <andrew__> hello
[21:13] <sigilbaram> My EFI entries for ubuntu are multiplying. @.@ http://pastebin.com/6hEAx4pE
[21:25] <sigilbaram> Sooo I deleted all those ubuntu entries and did an update-grub... It said it updated the EFI entry, but there is just windows still?
[22:10] <Duno> hi
[22:11] <Duno> Can i ask how i can update kubuntu to 15.10 with terminal safe ?
[22:11] <Duno> sorry for my bad english (i'm from czech republic)
[22:13] <bprompt> Duno:    15.10 is still on RC, the final release will be till the 22nd of october, so, 13 more days