[07:24] <davidcalle> Good morning
[07:28] <dholbach> good morning
[09:47] <rpadovani> dholbach, dpm sturmflut2 svij so see you guys in a couple of weeks in berlin \o/
[09:47] <svij> rpadovani: \o/
[10:07] <svij> rpadovani: if you want listen to a talk in english (which is now german) I could ask the speaker if he would do it in english
[10:09] <dpm> rpadovani, awesome!
[10:09] <dpm> rpadovani, my talk will be in English
[10:24] <rpadovani> dpm, thanks :-) svij well, mivoligo and I don't know german, so more talks there are in english, better is for us, but don't bohter to much, I appreciate the main target of the ubucon are germans :-)
[10:31] <svij> rpadovani: sure :)
[10:35] <dholbach> rpadovani, nice!
[10:47] <nik90> popey: ping
[10:58] <sturmflut2> rpadovani: Jep, means I will prepare my talk in english too :)
[11:00] <svij> I guess we could do that too, dholbach
[11:00] <dholbach> sure
[11:02] <popey> nik90: pong!
[11:02] <nik90> popey: Hey
[11:02] <nik90> popey: I had a discussion with bartosz about clock app release. And bartosz had a good reason to push out a new update v3.6 sometime next week.
[11:03] <nik90> bartosz landed a good number of critical bug fixes related to timezone changes, and with the upcoming winter time change, it will be nice to push clock app update to test that publicly :)
[11:04] <nik90> popey: There is still one MP currently being reviewed. I will help review and test that to get it merged by sunday. Once that happens, clock app v3.6 can be sent to QA.
[11:04] <nik90> as always I have also updated the changelog at http://pad.ubuntu.com/clock-app-changelog
[11:05] <popey> excellent!
[11:05] <popey> thanks nik90
[15:37] <Agathezol> anyone know why gcc on ubuntu 15.04 is significantly more picky about object and library order than gcc on other platforms? i.e. gcc -g ../someobj.o -lsctp myobj.o -o mybin    - will fail, but revers -lsctp and ../someobj.o will succeed. i normally develop on gentoo platforms so I'm assuming compile time flags for gcc or some ubuntu config I don't know about.
[15:43] <mcphail> Agathezol: I've never noticed Ubuntu being particularly picky. You always need to get the order right
[15:48] <Agathezol> mcphail it is certainly more picky than my gentoo box with the same glibc. make files that work fine there fail on ubuntu and it's a library lniking order issue
[15:48] <Agathezol> mcphail but i think after some more comparison that it might be related to multilib support. my other platform (gentoo) doesn't have multilib enabled in gcc, which probably affects link-order resolution
[15:49] <Agathezol> not a huge issue ultimately, just one that's been nagging at me a bit
[15:49] <mcphail> Agathezol: really? That shouldn't be the case
[15:49] <mcphail> Agathezol: anyway, that's why God invernted the autotools
[15:50] <Agathezol> mcphail: heh, i guess, my code has almost no external dependencies, so i very rarely use them. noticed it primarilly with librt and libsctp
[15:51] <Agathezol> mcphail: but i was mostly curious why one was more picky than the other
[15:53] <mcphail> Agathezol: I suspect it must be something unique to your Gentoo install. Google is full of link-order errors from all the popular distros
[15:56] <Agathezol> mcphail: potentially, they are very old installs that have been updated for years
[15:57] <Agathezol> so, newer gcc (4.8.x instead of 4.9.x like ubuntu) but potientially some old useflag or something affecting the compile
[15:57] <mcphail> Agathezol: useful, though :)
[15:58] <Agathezol> mcphail: sure, though i'd rather have my makefile be portable to my laptop running ubuntu so i don't have to ssh to the dev server everytime i want to wrok on the code :P
[15:58] <Agathezol> mcphail: anyway, thanks for thinking
[16:01] <Agathezol> mcphail: TJ- over on #ubuntu remembered the change that is giving me grief. --as-needed is used by the lniker by default now
[16:02] <Agathezol> mcphail: so if my .o that is using libsctp.so for instance occurs after the -lsctp flag it will fail to compile
[16:02] <Agathezol> mcphail: because the linker will ignore -lsctp since nothing is using it yet in the link order
[16:05] <mcphail> Agathezol: ha! Compiler flags suck.
[16:05] <Agathezol> mcphail: ya, now to see if i can disable that flag with a cflag or something
[16:06] <mcphail> Agathezol: honestly, just use autotools and let them take the strain.
[16:06] <mcphail> Agathezol: (or whatever build system of your choice)
[16:08] <mcphail> Hand-rolling makefiles is an exercise in madness, if you want portability
[16:08] <Agathezol> mcphail: it would be, but the code is proprietary. this is the first time it's left a gentoo machine, and that's only for my convenience
[16:08] <Agathezol> mcphail: turns out though i can just add --no-as-needed to my CFLAGS, apparently
[16:09] <mcphail> nice
[16:10] <Agathezol> mcphail: heh, or not, gcc doesn't recognize the option
[16:10] <mcphail> aargh
[16:12] <Agathezol> mcphail: wow, maybe ubuntu added a patch to remove it. the option is in the ld man page
[16:12] <Agathezol> mcphail: oh well, i know the error now, i can deal with it now that i understand it
[16:13] <mcphail> Agathezol: can you add it to LDFLAGS? (scraping the back of my gcc knowledge here...)
[16:14] <Agathezol> mcphail: ya, that was my first thought, but the ld flags just pass on the gcc cli so it's not liking that either
[16:14] <mcphail> Agathezol: actually, try "-Wl,--no-as-needed"
[16:15] <Agathezol> mcphail: woh, what did that do?
[16:15] <mcphail> Agathezol: passes options to linker
[16:15] <Agathezol> mcphail: wild, guess i've never used a linker option before
[16:15] <Agathezol> mcphail: that worked fine, thans much!
[16:15] <mcphail> Ha! np
[20:19] <mcphail> Can someone remind me what package to install to trial the unity8 desktop on desktop? Is it ubuntu-desktop-next or ubuntu-desktop-mir? Is this a good environment for developing mir apps?
[20:19] <mcphail> (On wily)
[20:25] <tathhu> (is there an ppa for unity8 on trusty?)
[21:37] <gerlowskija> I'm working through the scopes-development-in-golang tutorial (https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/scopes/tutorials/developing-scopes-go/).  I'm trying to experiment with different category layouts, but I can't find any documentation on the JSON format for RegisterCategory.  Does anyone now where I should be looking for this?
[21:41] <gerlowskija> In tweaking the category-layout value, I've found that horizontal-list and grid seem to work, but I've just been taking guesses to find those two options.