=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [07:24] Good morning [07:28] good morning [09:47] dholbach, dpm sturmflut2 svij so see you guys in a couple of weeks in berlin \o/ [09:47] rpadovani: \o/ === oSoMoN_ is now known as oSoMoN [10:07] rpadovani: if you want listen to a talk in english (which is now german) I could ask the speaker if he would do it in english [10:09] rpadovani, awesome! [10:09] rpadovani, my talk will be in English [10:24] dpm, thanks :-) svij well, mivoligo and I don't know german, so more talks there are in english, better is for us, but don't bohter to much, I appreciate the main target of the ubucon are germans :-) [10:31] rpadovani: sure :) [10:35] rpadovani, nice! [10:47] popey: ping [10:58] rpadovani: Jep, means I will prepare my talk in english too :) [11:00] I guess we could do that too, dholbach [11:00] sure [11:02] nik90: pong! [11:02] popey: Hey [11:02] popey: I had a discussion with bartosz about clock app release. And bartosz had a good reason to push out a new update v3.6 sometime next week. [11:03] bartosz landed a good number of critical bug fixes related to timezone changes, and with the upcoming winter time change, it will be nice to push clock app update to test that publicly :) [11:04] popey: There is still one MP currently being reviewed. I will help review and test that to get it merged by sunday. Once that happens, clock app v3.6 can be sent to QA. [11:04] as always I have also updated the changelog at http://pad.ubuntu.com/clock-app-changelog [11:05] excellent! [11:05] thanks nik90 === _salem is now known as salem_ === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [15:37] anyone know why gcc on ubuntu 15.04 is significantly more picky about object and library order than gcc on other platforms? i.e. gcc -g ../someobj.o -lsctp myobj.o -o mybin - will fail, but revers -lsctp and ../someobj.o will succeed. i normally develop on gentoo platforms so I'm assuming compile time flags for gcc or some ubuntu config I don't know about. [15:43] Agathezol: I've never noticed Ubuntu being particularly picky. You always need to get the order right [15:48] mcphail it is certainly more picky than my gentoo box with the same glibc. make files that work fine there fail on ubuntu and it's a library lniking order issue [15:48] mcphail but i think after some more comparison that it might be related to multilib support. my other platform (gentoo) doesn't have multilib enabled in gcc, which probably affects link-order resolution [15:49] not a huge issue ultimately, just one that's been nagging at me a bit [15:49] Agathezol: really? That shouldn't be the case [15:49] Agathezol: anyway, that's why God invernted the autotools [15:50] mcphail: heh, i guess, my code has almost no external dependencies, so i very rarely use them. noticed it primarilly with librt and libsctp [15:51] mcphail: but i was mostly curious why one was more picky than the other [15:53] Agathezol: I suspect it must be something unique to your Gentoo install. Google is full of link-order errors from all the popular distros [15:56] mcphail: potentially, they are very old installs that have been updated for years [15:57] so, newer gcc (4.8.x instead of 4.9.x like ubuntu) but potientially some old useflag or something affecting the compile [15:57] Agathezol: useful, though :) [15:58] mcphail: sure, though i'd rather have my makefile be portable to my laptop running ubuntu so i don't have to ssh to the dev server everytime i want to wrok on the code :P [15:58] mcphail: anyway, thanks for thinking [16:01] mcphail: TJ- over on #ubuntu remembered the change that is giving me grief. --as-needed is used by the lniker by default now [16:02] mcphail: so if my .o that is using libsctp.so for instance occurs after the -lsctp flag it will fail to compile [16:02] mcphail: because the linker will ignore -lsctp since nothing is using it yet in the link order [16:05] Agathezol: ha! Compiler flags suck. [16:05] mcphail: ya, now to see if i can disable that flag with a cflag or something [16:06] Agathezol: honestly, just use autotools and let them take the strain. [16:06] Agathezol: (or whatever build system of your choice) [16:08] Hand-rolling makefiles is an exercise in madness, if you want portability [16:08] mcphail: it would be, but the code is proprietary. this is the first time it's left a gentoo machine, and that's only for my convenience [16:08] mcphail: turns out though i can just add --no-as-needed to my CFLAGS, apparently [16:09] nice [16:10] mcphail: heh, or not, gcc doesn't recognize the option [16:10] aargh [16:12] mcphail: wow, maybe ubuntu added a patch to remove it. the option is in the ld man page [16:12] mcphail: oh well, i know the error now, i can deal with it now that i understand it [16:13] Agathezol: can you add it to LDFLAGS? (scraping the back of my gcc knowledge here...) [16:14] mcphail: ya, that was my first thought, but the ld flags just pass on the gcc cli so it's not liking that either [16:14] Agathezol: actually, try "-Wl,--no-as-needed" [16:15] mcphail: woh, what did that do? [16:15] Agathezol: passes options to linker [16:15] mcphail: wild, guess i've never used a linker option before [16:15] mcphail: that worked fine, thans much! [16:15] Ha! np [20:19] Can someone remind me what package to install to trial the unity8 desktop on desktop? Is it ubuntu-desktop-next or ubuntu-desktop-mir? Is this a good environment for developing mir apps? [20:19] (On wily) [20:25] (is there an ppa for unity8 on trusty?) [21:37] I'm working through the scopes-development-in-golang tutorial (https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/scopes/tutorials/developing-scopes-go/). I'm trying to experiment with different category layouts, but I can't find any documentation on the JSON format for RegisterCategory. Does anyone now where I should be looking for this? [21:41] In tweaking the category-layout value, I've found that horizontal-list and grid seem to work, but I've just been taking guesses to find those two options. === Guest87130 is now known as balloons === salem_ is now known as _salem