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| GeekMan1222 | so im trying to integrate a php blog into my existing apache served html website any pointers on what to use, is wordpress ideal? | 01:49 |
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| sarnold | I think I'd be tempted to let wordpress.com host wordpress for me, if I had to use it, they've had enough security issues that keeping on top of it would be a challenge | 01:56 |
| GeekMan1222 | ? | 01:58 |
| sarnold | GeekMan1222: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/wordpress.html | 01:58 |
| GeekMan1222 | O_o | 01:59 |
| TJ- | GeekMan1222: put a static site generator/proxy in front of it :) | 02:02 |
| GeekMan1222 | whats that :O | 02:02 |
| TJ- | GeekMan1222: instead of each anonymous visitor causing code to be executed, static HTML pages are served to them | 02:02 |
| GeekMan1222 | well thats prolly a nice thing to have | 02:03 |
| sarnold | a pal swears by this http://gohugo.io/ | 02:03 |
| GeekMan1222 | my traffic volume is gonna be quite low but i actually need content first so yeah XD | 02:03 |
| TJ- | GeekMan1222: there are plugins for wordpress to do served cached copies of pages, as long as you don't pepper the site with stuff that has to be dynamically generated for each page hit | 02:03 |
| TJ- | GeekMan1222: see for example https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-super-cache/ | 02:04 |
| GeekMan1222 | so then im assumeing that using wordpress and not some random php script i found is more ideal | 02:04 |
| sarnold | depends upon the quality of the random script, I guess. :) | 02:05 |
| GeekMan1222 | lol | 02:05 |
| GeekMan1222 | true | 02:05 |
| GeekMan1222 | finding one has been a bit of a hassle | 02:05 |
| TJ- | GeekMan1222: more eyes on WP. The problem is when you started adding lots of 'random' plugins that create security holes. Stick close to the core and you'll be OK | 02:05 |
| sarnold | but if your heart is set on wordpress, it'd be best to subscribe to whatever anounce lists they have and upgrade when they tell you to, hehe | 02:05 |
| GeekMan1222 | http://lifetype.net/ | 02:06 |
| GeekMan1222 | i was looking at that | 02:06 |
| GeekMan1222 | like 5 hours ago and was like ehh prolly not | 02:06 |
| GeekMan1222 | and this was intresting to look through http://tutorialzine.com/2013/03/simple-php-blogging-system/ | 02:07 |
| ianorlin | running an obsucre static site genreator mgith not be as dangerous if random people on the internet can't put in text | 02:08 |
| nodist | flat file is great if your only doing a small blog, WP is overkill for alot of stuff | 02:08 |
| TJ- | GeekMan1222: strange thing is, the more sophisticated things get the more I found myself driven to using a minimalist static-site generator created using Markdown | 02:09 |
| GeekMan1222 | its a small blog trust me | 02:09 |
| sarnold | TJ-: heh, that's not a bad idea | 02:09 |
| sarnold | easy to work with, easy to extend, and if it's not sufficient at some point, easy to migrate to something else :) | 02:10 |
| TJ- | sarnold: what mostly gets me is the 'themes' that force fixed-width columns rather than being truly fluid in letting the browser sort things out | 02:10 |
| GeekMan1222 | i guess the real question is where to begin cause i already have the base of my site setup | 02:10 |
| GeekMan1222 | the html layouts that is | 02:10 |
| ianorlin | GeekMan1222: you might want to look at static site generators | 02:11 |
| sarnold | TJ-: and I -hate- those stupid fixed code box things that force horizon and vertical scrollbars onto everything because the precious theme can't adapt.. | 02:11 |
| GeekMan1222 | what do they do (as i look up this phrase you speak of) | 02:11 |
| TJ- | sarnold: That's my biggest real 'hate' on bugs.launchpad | 02:12 |
| GeekMan1222 | hugo huh | 02:12 |
| TJ- | GeekMan1222: some static site generators allow you to edit the site in a content management system but generate a set of pure HTML/CSS files for the server. | 02:12 |
| sarnold | basically you maintain your content on you r desktop or whatever, and when you've got a new blog entry to post, you hit a "regenerate" or "publish" button that builds the final html and ships it to the server. the server doens't do any dynamic page generation. it's great for simple setups, single author or no logged in vs anonymous users, etc. | 02:12 |
| GeekMan1222 | hmm | 02:13 |
| TJ- | GeekMan1222: Others set up basic templates with HTML/CSS files and allow you to edit using a minimal markup/markdown syntax | 02:13 |
| GeekMan1222 | yeah i mean its in the more litteral since a hobby website with a few pages to diffrent things i do and runs off the house server | 02:13 |
| TJ- | GeekMan1222: either way, at some point a 'generator' runs over the templates and your files and creates the final HTML/CSS for serving | 02:14 |
| GeekMan1222 | *sense | 02:14 |
| sarnold | I wrote my own one of those fifteen years ago, with a header.html, footer.html, content pages, make, and rsync. It was fun, easy, and I wouldn't recommend it today since there's so many nicer things to choose from. :) | 02:14 |
| ianorlin | they do more than blogs as well | 02:14 |
| ianorlin | !info lazygal | 02:14 |
| ubottu | lazygal (source: lazygal): static web gallery generator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.8-2 (vivid), package size 177 kB, installed size 796 kB | 02:14 |
| GeekMan1222 | yeah so the blog is gonna sit on the projects site for when i do random electronic projects and explain things and such | 02:15 |
| GeekMan1222 | the other site is hosting my icecast | 02:15 |
| GeekMan1222 | so on and so forth | 02:15 |
| sarnold | ianorlin: wow, that looks decent :) | 02:16 |
| TJ- | I've stuck to a Trac wiki instance for a long while because it presents technical articles best, but I want something better. Looking at redmine currently | 02:16 |
| skrp | check out my ubuntu server gui http://ibin.co/2IOvUXZhrn6w | 02:16 |
| nodist | ldxe ftw | 02:17 |
| nodist | lxde* | 02:17 |
| GeekMan1222 | my server doesnt use a gui | 02:17 |
| GeekMan1222 | at its core its a file server | 02:17 |
| skrp | i don't use it on my server | 02:18 |
| skrp | i use ubuntu server for my client gui | 02:19 |
| skrp | fbsd | zfs ftw gg! | 02:19 |
| GeekMan1222 | zfs is amazing so i hear | 02:19 |
| skrp | lol yeah take something as complicate as volume managers and geom ... and put it into a bullet proofable filesystem | 02:20 |
| ianorlin | yeah lazgal works really well if you transfer files over gvfs directly from file manager then tell it to rebuild | 02:20 |
| skrp | check out my zpools on that pic, 3 way mirror on different hbas | 02:20 |
| GeekMan1222 | i havent gone this far down the server rabbit hole yet | 02:22 |
| GeekMan1222 | one day i will | 02:22 |
| GeekMan1222 | cause i want to do linux server management hopefully | 02:22 |
| GeekMan1222 | if i play my cards right | 02:22 |
| sarnold | GeekMan1222: when it comes to do zfs, check out this series of posts https://pthree.org/2012/12/04/zfs-administration-part-i-vdevs/ | 02:22 |
| GeekMan1222 | this server i have atm is my best build yet and its only my 4th in about 7 years( maybe less) | 02:22 |
| skrp | allan jude, fbsd/zfs guy says that link has alot of misinformation | 02:23 |
| GeekMan1222 | theres a local linux users group in my area that does little talk sessions and i watched online one about using ZFS and like really large data migration and stuff it was really intresting | 02:23 |
| skrp | GeekMan1222, what is your build | 02:23 |
| sarnold | skrp: please report bugs to eightyeight, he's always responded to my feedback quickly | 02:23 |
| GeekMan1222 | its nothing to brag about but its made from scratch parts, its like i said at its core a file server it backs up various things, anyways got a PERC6i raid controller on ebay for like 10 bucks does the trick, 4x wd reds 2tb each. They run in a raid 5 array so its 6tb of useable space give or take. Running Smartmon tools with notifications setup, fail2ban, clamav (needs alot of tweaking), apcups (with notifications), ubuntu | 02:30 |
| GeekMan1222 | server edition 14.04.3 LTS, the file server side of things is chrooted a fair bit for every users and such, samba serving for local side, windows computers backup to this and such, the server uses rsync for backup of changes to a second storage pool (used to use auth keys but i broke that some how LOL). sorry for the long ass post... | 02:30 |
| GeekMan1222 | non standard ports too | 02:31 |
| GeekMan1222 | the last server i had that was even close to being decked out like that was like only the bare basics of what i said, and i failed to have it backup properly which was its greatest downfall | 02:33 |
| GeekMan1222 | if even XD | 02:33 |
| GeekMan1222 | so shes my baby skrp | 02:34 |
| GeekMan1222 | for the time being | 02:34 |
| skrp | GeekMan1222, well she is something to be proud of | 02:35 |
| GeekMan1222 | i put almost a whole summer into it | 02:35 |
| skrp | GeekMan1222, that is a sweet set up. are you using raid? if so which? | 02:35 |
| GeekMan1222 | raid level 5 | 02:35 |
| GeekMan1222 | running off a dell PERC6i raid card with battery backup | 02:35 |
| skrp | raid 5 is on the rocks. raid 6 is better but depends on the situation | 02:36 |
| skrp | i run the 93211 hbas that netflix uses for fbsd/zfs | 02:36 |
| skrp | LSI 9211 *** | 02:36 |
| GeekMan1222 | my first card actually died so i ordered a second PERC6i with a battery that time lol but the entire config was on the drives which was awsome (enterprise quality on the cheap) so that was a learning experiance i thought i lost the entire setup | 02:37 |
| GeekMan1222 | yeah i mean i feel like raid 5 is ok for my needs | 02:37 |
| GeekMan1222 | and i still have room for 4 more drives | 02:37 |
| GeekMan1222 | the 6i maxes with 2tb per hdd though | 02:38 |
| sarnold | oh that's unfortunate | 02:38 |
| GeekMan1222 | its an understandable setback | 02:39 |
| GeekMan1222 | for the cards age | 02:39 |
| GeekMan1222 | but for 10 bucks | 02:39 |
| sarnold | I always wonder when I see something say "grow up to 4tb with 1tb drives!" if that just happened to be the largest when they made the thing, or if there's some limitation that actually keeps them from using larger drives | 02:39 |
| GeekMan1222 | you cant beat that | 02:39 |
| GeekMan1222 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/g7xrlbhzl81dgo5/20150112_203419.jpg?dl=0 | 02:42 |
| sarnold | clean and tidy | 02:43 |
| GeekMan1222 | https://www.dropbox.com/s/4bx1ynb0zsn01qq/20150112_203627.jpg?dl=0 | 02:44 |
| GeekMan1222 | yep | 02:44 |
| GeekMan1222 | :P | 02:44 |
| GeekMan1222 | anyways | 02:45 |
| GeekMan1222 | so look into these generator things | 02:45 |
| qman__ | sarnold: yes to both, though its very unusual for the limit to be anything other than 2tb | 03:42 |
| qman__ | Also, don't use raid 5: www.baarf.com | 03:42 |
| qman__ | It performs badly and always ends in tears | 03:43 |
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| lordievader | Good morning. | 07:12 |
| samba35 | i have intel 82567lm-3 card on dq45cb motherboard ,i can see that card with linux and windows but not able to get connected on linux it say network UNCLAIMDED | 07:55 |
| samba35 | ubuntu version 14.04.3 | 07:55 |
| khildin | samba35, You could google it. This came up when I searched: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1314693 | 08:00 |
| samba35 | hmm ,google i tryed for 15 days with many thing it did not help me | 08:01 |
| samba35 | mostly wireless problem was fix with this | 08:01 |
| khildin | anyway, it seems there is no driver for the interface | 08:01 |
| khildin | get the driver, install it and modprobe the interface to get it "claimed" | 08:02 |
| samba35 | i use e1000 from sourceforge even | 08:02 |
| eugenio_ | hello everybody, I think I have a bit confusion on python installation on my ubuntu server 14.04, due to different dist-upgrade, what can you suggest me? is it a good solution remove everything regarding python, and reinstall only the version I should use? | 08:22 |
| lordievader | eugenio_: What is the actual problem? | 08:23 |
| eugenio_ | lordievader, actually I got a segmentation fault on wsgi apache2 module, somebody stated me that I got problems on python installation, due to different python installation or dist-upgrade as well. | 08:24 |
| lordievader | Did you test python? | 08:25 |
| eugenio_ | not directly, only by using an application through wsgi.py | 08:25 |
| lordievader | I'd look into what the wsgi module is doing and try to do the same manually to see if something goes wrong. | 08:26 |
| eugenio_ | lordievader, mm I think I'm not able.... | 08:26 |
| eugenio_ | lordievader, can you drive/help me? | 08:27 |
| lordievader | I'm afraid I cannot help you with wsgi stuff, never used it. | 08:27 |
| lordievader | What does the apache error log say? | 08:28 |
| eugenio_ | lordievader, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12721715/ | 08:29 |
| lordievader | Ok, find the python script it is running and run that manually. | 08:31 |
| guillaume_alloxr | hi everyone | 08:31 |
| guillaume_alloxr | I'm trying to install ubuntu on a power5 | 08:32 |
| guillaume_alloxr | And it asks me for the ipl stream file, i thought it would be the directory of the cd then powerpc64/ | 08:33 |
| guillaume_alloxr | but it gives me an error on the stream file | 08:33 |
| eugenio_ | lordievader, I run python wsgi.py, but no answer from command line | 08:36 |
| lordievader | eugenio_: Is that what the module is running (with the same arguments)? Because that is likely the problem. We see this error at times with php5-fpm when it is too slow to respond. | 08:39 |
| guillaume_alloxr | so anybody can tell me how i can point the IPL stream file on the Ubuntu Server 14.04 ? | 08:42 |
| guillaume_alloxr | i really need some help i don't know how to install that Ubuntu, it should launch the boot file | 08:46 |
| skylite | I updated my ubuntu server but the update failed because of a RAM faliure (I did a ramtest and it verified that the RAM is bad) I switched the RAM to a new one, but now, I can only boot my server with an older kernel and the server only boots up in read only mode. What can I do to fix this? If I boot the server from USB , do a chroot to the corrupt system and do an update&&upgrade should it fix the issue? | 09:03 |
| lordievader | skylite: First check the filesystem, then do what you were planning. | 09:13 |
| skylite | lordievader I was also thinking about just reinstalling the kernel | 09:14 |
| skylite | maybe that would doit? | 09:14 |
| skylite | of course I'll do an fsck | 09:14 |
| lordievader | The fact that it goes into readonly mode points to a broken filesystem. | 09:14 |
| skylite | ah I see ok | 09:14 |
| guillaume_alloxr | again i'm gonna ask my question i'm trying to install Ubuntu on a power5 and i have troubles, i would really need some help | 09:34 |
| Ben64 | you're going to need to explain if you want any useful advice | 09:38 |
| adac | Hello friends! Does the ubuntu cloud image (14.04) have a default username and passord? If yes, can someone may tell me that? | 10:25 |
| Lartza | adac, From what I can gather the login is ubuntu and the password is randomly generated | 10:33 |
| Lartza | You will need to read it from the console or a serial device | 10:33 |
| adac | Lartza, oh :D well So happy pw guessing :) | 10:33 |
| Lartza | You can pass KVM kernel options to set the password manually too | 10:34 |
| Lartza | Actuall this might have changed after 12.10... | 10:34 |
| Lartza | Someone else might know better | 10:35 |
| rbasak | adac, Lartza: no password by default. | 10:43 |
| rbasak | As in no login until you set a password or ssh key. | 10:44 |
| rbasak | Set an ssh key (or password if you insist on being less secure) via cloud-init userdata. See http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/cloud-config.txt for the format. | 10:44 |
| rbasak | You pass it in using EC2 userdata or equivalent. | 10:44 |
| rbasak | uvtool can do it for local KVM instances. | 10:45 |
| adac | So I can login via VNC console with username: ubuntu and password: EMPTY. Is that correct rbasak? | 10:45 |
| rbasak | adac: no, you cannot | 10:45 |
| rbasak | adac: you must set an ssh key or password inside the image first. | 10:45 |
| rbasak | We ship secure images by default, not insecure ones :) | 10:45 |
| Lartza | Sound dumb :P Security? In 2015? | 10:46 |
| adac | rbasak, :) Ok I see, thanks! | 10:47 |
| adac | The insecure ones come from the NSA :P | 10:47 |
| Lartza | But my md5sums matched... how is that possible | 10:48 |
| rbasak | mount-image-callback is a handy tool for modifying cloud images quickly, from the cloud-image-utils package | 10:50 |
| rbasak | Lets you run a script or shell inside a chroot inside an image in one step. Eg. "mount-image-callback /path/to-image chroot _MOUNTPOINT_ passwd ubuntu" | 10:51 |
| rbasak | (_MOUNTPOINT_ is literal) | 10:52 |
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| xubuntu91w | Hi, how long it would take to setup untangle on vmware to act like firewall with openvpn on config STATICWAN - Server?for dhcp most likely? - switch - backtoserver for access to system | 12:02 |
| eugenio_ | hello, remove all python package (including all lib related) is an advisable operation or not? | 12:21 |
| eugenio_ | and then of course reinstall only the needed packeges | 12:21 |
| jamespage | coreycb, how are the rc2's looking? | 12:37 |
| jamespage | I'm pushing liberty-staging -> liberty-proposed right now | 12:37 |
| coreycb | jamespage, pretty good, I need to take a look and see if anything else is stuck in proposed. I'm looking at a neutron dep 8 failure now. | 12:38 |
| jamespage | coreycb, awesome - thankyou - sounds like you're ontop of it | 12:38 |
| coreycb | jamespage, yeah I think so, I also need to assess some bugs that have come in | 12:39 |
| jamespage | coreycb, one of the upstream documentation team pinged me via email with an offer to work through niggle bugs he's aware of - I said bugs where a good start and then we can work from there | 12:40 |
| jamespage | coreycb, if they are not critical, we can always fix in +1 | 12:40 |
| coreycb | jamespage, ok | 12:41 |
| jamespage | coreycb, hmm - https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-archive/+bug/1504367 is interesting | 12:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1504367 in ubuntu-cloud-archive "Missing neutron-lbaasv2-agent executable in neutron-lbaas-agent package under trusty-updates/liberty" [Undecided,New] | 12:41 |
| coreycb | jamespage, that'd be great to get the contributions | 12:41 |
| coreycb | jamespage, yep that's one of them | 12:42 |
| jamespage | coreycb, that feels like there is a missing package tbh | 12:42 |
| jamespage | neutron-lbaasv2-agent | 12:43 |
| jamespage | maybe | 12:43 |
| coreycb | jamespage, ok yeah, maybe just needs a new binary pkg in lbnaas | 12:43 |
| jamespage | coreycb, rdo appear to have a single package with both binaries and appropriate service definitions | 12:44 |
| coreycb | jamespage, ok | 12:44 |
| jamespage | coreycb, i'd be tempted to take the same approach | 12:47 |
| coreycb | jamespage, alright, that'll be next on my list | 12:47 |
| jamespage | coreycb, awesome | 12:47 |
| jamespage | I think its ok to run both agents on install | 12:48 |
| jamespage | smb, around? I have a doc build problem with dpdk when backporting to 14.04 - I seem to remember you saying something about that not working on i386? | 12:49 |
| coreycb | jamespage, ok | 12:49 |
| * jamespage ponders that again | 12:49 | |
| smb | jamespage, yes and yes. | 12:49 |
| jamespage | smb, is is fixable? | 12:50 |
| smb | jamespage, The problem is that they use inkscape to convert some svg graphics to pdf and that has a bug on i386 which causes invalid pdf files to be generated. So it might be "fixable" by finding a better way of conversion. | 12:50 |
| smb | Or just turn a blind eye on documentation in the backport... | 12:51 |
| jamespage | smb, prob do tha tfor now | 12:51 |
| jamespage | coreycb, golly I'm swinging on my opinion for this one | 12:51 |
| coreycb | jamespage, heh | 12:52 |
| smb | jamespage, it is probably the quickest path. Anything else requires more meddling with upstream code ... | 12:52 |
| smb | (which I think is meta code for a framework creating the doc creation makefiles...) | 12:53 |
| jamespage | coreycb, what do you think? | 12:54 |
| coreycb | jamespage, taking a closer look | 12:56 |
| jamespage | smb, I think I can trim the docs targets to just generate the html stuff | 13:04 |
| smb | jamespage, Hm ok. Guess that should be good enough if it works (and the svg->pdf is not used for anything of the html stuff too) | 13:05 |
| smb | jamespage, You would have to test in a Trusty environment since (in order to make things more fun) the inkscape bug alters between releases from creating output that is unusable to create incorrect output and back... | 13:09 |
| coreycb | jamespage, seems to me you'd want to run lbaas or lbaasv2, but not both | 13:25 |
| jamespage | coreycb, i think so | 13:25 |
| jamespage | +1 on new binary package then | 13:25 |
| coreycb | jamespage, ok | 13:25 |
| jamespage | that probably allows both to work | 13:25 |
| fuzzywuzzzy | should a Generate a CSR and Private Key be generated as root only? | 13:31 |
| bananapie | I just created a dummy network card with modprobe dummy; ip link set name eth10 dev dummy0; How do I make this card persistent in Ubuntu server? I can't find any relevant doc for /etc/network/interfacs | 13:35 |
| thebwt | fuzzywuzzzy: not really that big of a deal, the main thing is controlling access to teh key, much like an SSH private key | 13:36 |
| fuzzywuzzzy | thebwt, But it has to be owned by root right? | 13:37 |
| thebwt | yes | 13:38 |
| thebwt | 700, owned by root | 13:38 |
| thebwt | but, the CSR - that doesn't matter as muc | 13:38 |
| thebwt | much* | 13:38 |
| fuzzywuzzzy | ahh, I see. Thanks! =) | 13:39 |
| thebwt | No problem! | 13:39 |
| bananapie | found my answer : http://pastebin.com/mwEvxXas | 13:48 |
| jamespage | smb, that works OK - I've delta'ed that in for the backport | 13:51 |
| fuzzywuzzzy | Any recommendations for light, simple to deploy patch management? | 13:52 |
| smb | jamespage, ack. Going forward we will see... another suggestion for upstream (whomever that cur... challenge will hit) | 13:54 |
| jamespage | smb, I just had to tweak doc -> doc-api-html doc-guide-html to make that work | 13:55 |
| jamespage | the build system passes those down into the relevant makefile | 13:55 |
| jamespage | smb, personally I've never opened a pdf installed by a package... | 13:55 |
| jamespage | lol | 13:55 |
| smb | jamespage, Ah ok. Not that bad then. Heh, ok. :) | 13:56 |
| smb | hallyn, zul, Anyone currently working on qemu updates? There is a bugfix that was finally confirmed today which I might start rolling out (starting with Wily) | 14:12 |
| zul | smb: im good | 14:12 |
| smb | zul, ok, waiting a bit more (while test compiling anyway) to give Serge some more time. | 14:14 |
| zul | ack | 14:14 |
| zul | jamespage: sheesh | 14:15 |
| hallyn | smb: go ahead - i'm out today and monday morning | 14:54 |
| smb | hallyn, ah ok. thanks | 14:54 |
| hallyn | smb: i'll be merging 2.4 into a ppa next week and into 16.04 the day it opens,... but that's it for my plans | 14:54 |
| hallyn | \o | 14:54 |
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| coreycb | jamespage, would you be able to run dep 8 tests against the liberty neutron branch? I'm having issues getting through an adt-run. | 16:13 |
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| sarnold | qman__: yeah, 2tb limit makes sense.. when the sun thumpers were released, 1tb drives were "huge" so they proudly advertised the thumper as being able to handle something like 48 tb of storage! wow! which is neat and all but that probably costs a fortune to cool 48 drives... | 17:48 |
| patdk-wk | na, electricity cost a lot less in those dark ages | 17:49 |
| sarnold | patdk-wk: but today? it might not be a perfect machine to invite into my house :) | 18:12 |
| JanC | how many PHP forum applications have been security issue free for (almost) 4 years? | 19:43 |
| * JanC loves PunBB | 19:44 | |
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