[00:22] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: I haz 4G on my oneplus one with ubuntu touch :D
[00:23] <tathhu> :o
[00:27] <mariogrip> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/V1manCIm/IMG_20151010_022716.jpg
[00:33] <ahoneybun> NICE
[00:33] <ahoneybun> does it work mariogrip
[00:33] <ahoneybun> ?
[00:33] <mariogrip> YES!
[00:33] <mariogrip> did u get my text?
[00:34] <ahoneybun> no?
[00:34] <ahoneybun> mm
[00:36] <ahoneybun> I did not mariogrip
[00:38] <ahoneybun> are all the changes push mariogrip?
[00:38] <ahoneybun> *pushed
[00:40] <mariogrip> yeah, they are pushed to the system image server. git doing that now
[00:46] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: are the icons set to 3 columns or 4?
[00:46] <ahoneybun> - - - - ; - - -
[00:47] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: 5 :P (due to the gui grid is wrong)
[00:47] <ahoneybun> XD
[00:48] <ahoneybun> is that fixable on your end?
[00:48] <mariogrip> yes
[00:48] <ahoneybun> screenshots mariogrip please!
[00:48] <mariogrip> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B74IZ6Q2msPDMU5IX0hZTC1JT0E/view?usp=sharing
[00:49] <tathhu> you really shot the screen :P
[00:49] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: you should summit this to the UWNL
[00:50] <mariogrip> what is that?
[00:50] <mariogrip> tathhu: xP
[00:50] <ahoneybun> Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter
[00:50] <mariogrip> ah, yeah
[00:51]  * ahoneybun did it
[00:51] <ahoneybun> well poped the screenshot in #ubuntu-news
[00:51] <ahoneybun> they like to have a blog post or something
[00:52] <mariogrip> awesome :D
[00:54] <ahoneybun> I don't think I can move to Ubuntu Touch till we get a native twitter client XD
[00:56] <mariogrip> xP
[00:56] <ahoneybun> bbl
[00:58] <mariogrip> my server got around 2k requests every Hour....
[00:58] <mariogrip> today
[01:11] <tathhu> What, isn't webapp enough :P
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[01:31] <mariogrip> the twitter webapp is pretty good to be an webapp.
[01:32] <mariogrip> *missing native twitter client----Make one xD*
[01:59] <ahoneybun> nope nope nope
[01:59] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: your on softpedia
[01:59] <mariogrip> I know :D
[01:59] <ahoneybun> http://news.softpedia.com/news/oneplus-one-with-ubuntu-touch-just-got-cellular-support-494224.shtml
[01:59] <ahoneybun> XD
[02:00] <ahoneybun> where the hell is your name
[02:00] <mariogrip> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/f68wReF8/IMG_20151010_040023.jpg
[02:01] <mariogrip> looks like i have no name :P
[02:01] <mariogrip> but, how do that look? 4 in row
[02:02] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: ^
[02:02] <ahoneybun> looks better then 5 and wayyyy better then 3 lol
[02:02] <mariogrip> Yeah
[02:03] <ahoneybun> darn N4 has 3 lol
[02:03] <ahoneybun> I'm SO tempted to flash it now
[02:04] <ahoneybun> I still need bluetooth and the camera
[02:04] <ahoneybun> XD
[02:04] <mariogrip> yeah, you should probably wait then or multirom :)
[02:04] <ahoneybun> mm
[02:05] <ahoneybun> never used multirom
[02:05] <ahoneybun> I'll wait
[02:05] <mariogrip> yeah
[02:05] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: write a quick blog post and I'll throw it on the UWNL
[02:05] <ahoneybun> !
[02:06] <mariogrip> can we do it tomorrow? it's 4AM here xP I have to find my bed i think
[02:06] <ahoneybun> yea yea np
[02:06] <mariogrip> cya
[02:06] <ahoneybun> night
[02:06] <ahoneybun>  /moring
[02:07] <mariogrip> xP
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[02:25]  * OerHeks posts a reply with 'the developers name mariogrip'
[02:26] <ahoneybun> thanks OerHeks
[02:27] <OerHeks> i am waiting for approval. but that should not be that hard.
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[04:14] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/watch-convergent-ubuntu-phone-music-app-on-the-ubuntu-linux-desktop-494246.shtml
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> nice1 popey
[05:11] <dragos> can u guys help me? i have a relally big problem
[05:16] <dragos> please help me
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> dragos: best to ask your issue in the channel
[05:28] <dragos> im trying to port ubuntu touch to s4 active but breakfast command wont work. im using ubuntu 14.04
[05:33] <dragos> lotuspsychje
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> dragos: idle here some more until devs waking up mate
[05:42] <dragos> oh
[05:42] <dragos> ...
[05:42] <dragos> but do u know anything about the breakfast command on ubuntu 14.04?
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> no sorry
[05:43] <dragos> oh
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> im just a happy touch user
[05:43] <dragos> on what device?
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> dragos: nexus7 and Bq 4.5
[05:43] <dragos> oh ...
[05:43] <dragos> unity 8 windowed mode on ubuntu touch
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> dragos: did you try the >XDA forums for your device?
[05:44] <dragos> yeaa
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> ok then better idle here
[05:44] <lotuspsychje> until devs wake up
[05:44] <dragos> what is the time at you?
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> 7h45
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> but we have devs all over the globe here
[05:45] <dragos> are u in europe?
[05:46] <lotuspsychje> yes
[05:46] <dragos> in what country?
[05:46] <dragos> im in romania
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> belgium
[05:47] <dragos> oh ok...
[05:48] <dragos> do u know any devs?
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> they all here mate
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> just wait n idle
[05:49] <dragos> oy mate.. thnx m8
[09:36] <monkeyslut> hullo
[09:37] <monkeyslut> doess anyone here know a good place to keep an eye on the status of Ubuntu Touch? I'm wondering about stuff like tehtering & such..
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> monkeyslut: idle here
[11:11] <tathhu> mariogrip ahoneybun i'd use webapp with "full" support than real app with not-so-good-API.. (that's what I did on mny Jolla so lol)
[11:11] <tathhu> lotuspsychje, do you got landscape lockscreen on n7?
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[12:44] <slo> any apps that would auto-upload my photos to OwnCloud/OneDrive/Dropbox... ?
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[14:54] <mcphail> slo: Not at the momemnt, I think. All sync apps need some degree of manual intervention
[15:55] <danielbrazilian> Hello everyone, i was talking to some friends about ubuntu touch, and there were this discussion about programming apps only in html5 and QML, why limiting to marked language?
[15:56] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: the QML apps can be extended using javascript and C++
[15:56] <danielbrazilian> want to make something different?
[15:56] <danielbrazilian> yes
[15:56] <danielbrazilian> is java not a plan?
[15:57] <danielbrazilian> now everyone thing that every OS must have java on it
[15:57] <danielbrazilian> i personally don't like emulation
[15:57] <tathhu> no.
[15:57] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: I really want python
[15:57] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: are you a canonical dev?
[15:57] <jnxd> nope
[15:58] <ahayzen> jnxd, you can do python IIRC
[15:58] <jnxd> ahayzen: really? how?
[15:58] <ahayzen> but like you have to bundle the libs in the click
[15:58] <ahayzen> there is probably a blog entry somewhere
[15:58] <jnxd> hmm
[16:01] <danielbrazilian> i have watched the Q and A on youtube, they talked about not using android base anymore, do you know why?
[16:02] <danielbrazilian> i guess it is because the new phones are to come and they will not come originally with android base anymore...
[16:02] <ahayzen> jnxd, checkbox-touch apparently uses python with qml/js which sounds interesting https://launchpad.net/checkbox-converged
[16:03] <tathhu> danielbrazilian, maybe because there will be devices with linux drivers? dunnoö
[16:03] <tathhu> -ö
[16:03] <danielbrazilian> ohh that sounds interesting
[16:04] <danielbrazilian> can proprietary drivers be added to linux kernel?
[16:05] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: there's a bit of legalese involved, but the bottom line is practically yes. that happens all the time
[16:07] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: does it mean android hal could be inside kernel? or i'm being dumb?
[16:07] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: Dunno about you, but I'm too dumb to answer that :D
[16:07] <danielbrazilian> haha
[16:09] <danielbrazilian> there have been always a problem when trying to port a new device to cyanogenmod for example, because of the hal not being provided or closed source
[16:10] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: wondering how there still are so many cyanogenmod roms available despite that!
[16:10] <danielbrazilian> so i "wanted to imagine" this wouldn't be a problem to Ubuntu touch :p
[16:11] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: ubuntu-touch is a whole other level of different
[16:11] <dragos> ubuntu touch 13.04 terminal?
[16:12] <danielbrazilian> is it similar to ubuntu for arm devices?
[16:12] <dragos> how can i upgrade ubuntu touch 13.04 to ubuntu touch 14.04?
[16:12] <danielbrazilian> dragos: how did you install it on your phone?
[16:13] <dragos> oh i have a tablet
[16:13] <dragos> and i use cwm
[16:13] <danielbrazilian> did you use android to install it?
[16:13] <jnxd> dragos: nexus 7 then?
[16:13] <dragos> p3110
[16:14] <danielbrazilian> dragos: i used this app on android to install mine https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tassadar.multirommgr&hl=en
[16:14] <danielbrazilian> dragos: but i have updated though ubuntu touch settings
[16:15] <dragos> but i cant see sistem setting on ubuntu touch 13.04
[16:15] <danielbrazilian> dragos: you tried and it is stuck or you don't know where it is?
[16:15] <dragos> i just have ubuntu touch 13.04
[16:15] <danielbrazilian> oh
[16:15] <dragos> on tablet
[16:16] <dragos> and i dont know how to upgrade
[16:16] <danielbrazilian> no system settings them?
[16:17] <jnxd> dragos: seems like the guys who ported it did it only till 13.04
[16:17] <jnxd> dragos: you might want to try porting by yourself, through that guide
[16:18] <dragos> oh..
[16:18] <dragos> can u guys help me port?
[16:19] <jnxd> dragos: Unfortunately I've never done anything like that
[16:19] <dragos> oh..
[16:20] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: where is this guide?
[16:20] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[16:21] <dragos> pleae can someone halp me?
[16:22] <danielbrazilian> dragos: even if you port it something might break
[16:22] <danielbrazilian> dragos: i'd rather go back to android stock or CyanogenMod
[16:23] <dragos> i really need ubuntu touch
[16:23] <danielbrazilian> dont have another device that runs it?
[16:25] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: when i turn off my ubuntu touch on my nexus 7 the battery drains when it is turned off, you know what it can be?
[16:25] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: it is like it is still on, but it is not :S
[16:25] <dragos> no
[16:26] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: that is rather wierd
[16:26] <jnxd> can you go back to android/cm and confirm it doesn't happen there?
[16:27] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: yes i have another android custom rom, i'm running in dual boot
[16:28] <dragos> can u help me?
[16:29] <jnxd> so, when you turn it off from android side, does it behave normally?
[16:29] <danielbrazilian> dragos: i don't know how to port it, i have only compiled android roms, never messed around with ubuntu touch.
[16:30] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: i think it stays normal, but i do need to make sure
[16:30] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: just so you don't get your hopes up, I am only trying to rule out the possibility of the battery having gotten old
[16:30] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: it was not happening before i installed ubuntu touch
[16:30] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: have you dual booted before?
[16:31] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: yes i have
[16:31] <jnxd> with?
[16:31] <danielbrazilian> to test aospa, ownrom, cm
[16:31] <danielbrazilian> and ubuntu touch
[16:31] <danielbrazilian> it worked well before
[16:32] <jnxd> ...and only ubuntu touch is having troubles?
[16:32] <dragos> oh
[16:32] <danielbrazilian> everything says so
[16:33] <dragos> how can i install apps from sd card on ubuntu touch
[16:34] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: for example, i just turned off now from ubuntu, then i want to turn back on to android, it won turn on streigh away, it stays like off
[16:35] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: so, it stays off fr longer. well, the possibility I was imagining is ruled out
[16:36] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: i am using devel-proposed/ubuntu
[16:36] <danielbrazilian> could be that
[16:36] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: in that case, just wait a while. It might get better
[16:37] <danielbrazilian> there is a new update here, i will try it
[16:38] <danielbrazilian> now i tuned off android
[16:38] <tathhu> Is ~whatever is latest on rc-proposed~ same as ota7?
[16:39] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: and tried to boot back again, it went straight away
[16:39] <danielbrazilian> so i imagine something is holding the system to be on
[16:39] <danielbrazilian> on ubuntu
[16:40] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: I wonder why someone from canonical isn't interfering yet
[16:40] <danielbrazilian> it is draining peoples battery and no one knows it
[16:42] <jnxd> mhall119: could you point danielbrazilian to someone who might know about his problem?
[16:42] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: perhaps because people rarely switch off their tablets and phones anyway
[16:44] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: yeah i know, i switch mine off every time though
[16:44] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: also, people rarely use nexus 7 with ubuntu anyway
[16:45] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: true, but how is this update done? no one maintains it anymore, just a robot autobuilding it?
[16:46] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: as it is open source, do we have a github page where we can see changes?
[16:46] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: well, it'd be on github, but I don't know which one
[16:48] <jnxd> popey: balloons: could anyone of you point danielbrazilian to someone who might know about his problem?
[16:49] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: as such, I think even if they (get to) know about it, it'll have quite a low priority.
[16:50] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: can you test by putting just ubuntu, no dual boot?
[16:52] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: i don't know how to install only ubuntu, shoud i just flash via terminal?
[16:52] <danielbrazilian> i know android stuff
[16:52] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: I dunno. I'm actually not even sure if it'll work
[16:55] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: there's this, if you're in https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[16:56] <danielbrazilian> jnxd: i was checking that, but do you know if you keep the custom recovery?
[16:56] <jnxd> danielbrazilian: no clue
[16:57] <dragos> can i install ubuntu touch apps on anroid?
[16:57] <tathhu> danielbrazilian, nope
[16:59] <danielbrazilian> tathhu: thanks, so if i want custom android back i should install recovery again?
[16:59] <tathhu> yep
[16:59] <tathhu> take a nandroid backup first :P
[16:59] <danielbrazilian> the instalation process looks very simple
[16:59] <tathhu> then just flash cwm/whatever and restore it
[16:59] <dragos> can u help me?
[16:59] <tathhu> should be just it
[16:59] <danielbrazilian> tathhu: thanks
[17:00] <tathhu> danielbrazilian, can't remember if I had to flash factory image first and then custom recovery and then custom rom but
[17:02] <tathhu> well you can't brick it so.. :P
[17:02] <danielbrazilian> tathhu: i think if i flash recovery and make a full wipe, then flash rom.zip plus gapps.zip might do
[17:52] <ogra_> danielbrazilian, nothing stops you to ship a jvm (or any other interpreter) inside your click package, makingyour UI bits talk to the Mir displayserver might be tricky though if you dont use Qt/QML for the frontend bits
[17:54] <ogra_> (technically you could even ship dalvik in your package if you wanted and ship a surfaceflinger->Mir translator you would have to write to make android apps work .... practically thats a lot of work and indeed results in a gigantic package)
[17:55] <mcphail> A wine-like surfaceflinger->Mir framework would be awesome
[17:55] <ogra_> to run arm windows apps ?
[17:55] <mcphail> No, to facilitate android apps
[17:56] <mcphail> Similar to how wine translates directX
[17:57] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: i like not to use java on ubuntu touch or android apps compatibility, jvm eats a lot of memory
[17:57] <ogra_> sure, i'm just saying it isnt impossible :) ... weather it would be worth the work at all is another question
[17:58] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: just a couple of friends thought it was "stupid" to use marked language to make apps wasn't a good idea
[17:58] <danielbrazilian> ogra_:  they're probably just rude i dont know
[17:58] <tathhu> can i ship livestreamer with my click and then just... do something magic with it? :o
[17:59] <ogra_> i personally like that i can write a native app fro ubuntu in vi within 15min ... its not harder than writing a webpage
[17:59] <ogra_> tathhu, under the restrictions of the app lifecacle you can
[17:59] <ogra_> *lifecycle
[17:59] <ogra_> (your stream woulld stop if the app isnt focused etc)
[18:00] <tathhu> ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[18:00] <tathhu> amazing
[18:00] <tathhu> :P
[18:00] <tathhu> time to learn how to do magic :P
[18:00] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: i'm learning html5 so i got really interested of ubuntu touch so i guessed i could make some app
[18:01] <ogra_> yeah, writing apps is really easy
[18:04] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: some people think it would be better if ubuntu touch had android compatibility apps, it would be easier to bring users but
[18:04] <danielbrazilian> i think it would be laggy
[18:04] <tathhu> yeah, and then there would be even less native apps
[18:04] <tathhu> "lol we could just upload this .apk"
[18:05] <tathhu> but then there would be apps :D damn
[18:05] <danielbrazilian> it wouldnt make sence to create a new OS based on android
[18:05] <ogra_> danielbrazilian, well, probably not even laggy ... but the security models of the two systems to not match, the input models are different etc etc ... even if this was enabled it would be a fairly bad user experience
[18:06] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: yeah, and i don't think all android apps would work just fine
[18:06] <ogra_> example: ubuntu doesnt have a back button
[18:06] <ogra_> you would have any way to go back in your android app
[18:06] <danielbrazilian> look at sailfish os
[18:07] <danielbrazilian> yes
[18:07] <ogra_> the ubuntu security model wouldnt allow the app any HW access without you developing a massive integration layer to get the trust service enabled for the apps
[18:08] <ogra_> so after all you would have unthemed apps that have nothing more than network access and dont let you go backwards in the UI
[18:09] <ogra_> and for making this (broken) level work i'd estimate 6 months of work for an experienced programmer
[18:10] <ogra_> (full time ... not as a hobbyist project that is)
[18:10] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: that could be a lot of waste of money
[18:10] <ogra_> yep
[18:11] <danielbrazilian> i think ubuntu touch should improve its mobile compatibility apps or maybe the companies
[18:12] <danielbrazilian> mobile app like facebook runs very well and i like it
[18:12] <danielbrazilian> ogra_: it is just like a mobile version of the browser running facebook right?
[18:12] <ogra_> yep
[18:13] <danielbrazilian> that was the best idea to bring some apps quicker
[18:15] <danielbrazilian> but then the chicken and egg thing, people are waiting for more apps to come to ubuntu, and companies like whatsapp waiting for more users come to ubuntu...
[19:19] <mcphail> popey: If you're around just now and have a > 14.04 machine handy, can you check an MTP issue for me?
[19:20] <mcphail> I can't send music files with a "?" in the name to the phone
[19:21] <mcphail> Don't know if it has been fixed in vivid/wily so don't know whether to file a bug
[19:28] <popey> will have to check a bit later, dr who time :)
[19:28] <mcphail> :)
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