[14:53] <the_man> yo, this place alive?
[14:53] <cfhowlett> ask your REAL question
[14:53] <the_man> need to chose new distros for our office, hesitating between Ubuntu and this Ubuntustudio
[14:54] <cfhowlett> the_man, your office, you're the expert, your choice
[14:54] <cfhowlett> not like you are prohibited from having both, you know ...
[14:55] <the_man> have read the blurb about features and those look nice, we use LibreOffice, Audacity, Scribus, Thunderbird every day; guess with Studio we can also use the Synaptic to get any other stuff, like on Ubuntu?
[14:56] <the_man> Or do you Studio people operate your own package repositories?
[14:56] <cfhowlett> you can install those packages on any ubuntu flavor.  you need not install ubuntustudio.
[14:57] <cfhowlett> nope.  all *buntus use the same repos
[14:57] <cfhowlett> !flavors
[14:58] <the_man> Fine, so what is the main benefit of going from Ubuntu to Ubuntustudio, please?
[14:58] <cfhowlett> difference is, ubuntustudio provides those packages as part of the OS.  other buntus do not.
[14:58] <the_man> So you mean, the installation is easier?
[14:59] <cfhowlett> the_man, well, easier if you mean you don't have to install those additional packages ...
[15:00] <cfhowlett> might I ask if the end-users have a preference??
[15:00] <cfhowlett> or a degree of familiarity?
[15:00] <the_man> When I install Ubuntu (my background for ten years was/is with OpenSuse) I get upset because I cannot chose any packages, until the entire OS is up and running, and then I mainly spend time UNinstalling games and stuff...
[15:01] <cfhowlett> ah!  now your query gives something to work with!  you COULD install ubuntu .mini then add ONLY those packages you want.
[15:01] <cfhowlett> !mini
[15:04] <the_man> So, since I like the main featured aspects of Studio like Scribus and LibreOffice, can I see a list somewhere of all the stuff that gets installed initially, and is there a place to compare with the "normal" Ubuntu installed default stuff?
[15:05] <cfhowlett> apt-cache show ubuntustudio-publishing
[15:06] <the_man> More background: Our office is in West Africa and our internet is poor. So I do not mind downloading one well-balanced iso image (am visiting in Europe right now), but still want to install a slim and professional OS because the updates are costing a lot of time and money (no flatrates for data).
[15:07] <cfhowlett> and the purpose of the office?  Sounds like they are publishers ... magazines, newpapers?
[15:07] <the_man> Thank you for the hint about Mini, will also look into it. But guess downloading a "full" .iso and installing on eight machines might be more efficient than each machine pulling lots of stuff from servers.
[15:08] <cfhowlett> for that matter you could get the full meal deal ubuntustudio DVD and only install the creative tools you want ..
[15:09] <the_man> We are training local people and/by publishing printed stuff, which we also offer online and which we also audio-record and distribute online, to help with emerging literacy.
[15:09] <the_man> www.revue-gugu.org
[15:10] <cfhowlett> the_man, sounds like an ambitious plan!
[15:10] <the_man> All you see on the GuGu website is created with opensource tools in a mostly OpenSuse office (but running out of security updates and needing to pick a new distro soon, or a fresher OpenSuse of course).
[15:10] <cfhowlett> nice!  for the record: use ubuntu LTS versions.  3 years of support.
[15:11] <cfhowlett> so giving your underlying question some thought: I'd suggest the following:
[15:13] <cfhowlett> 1.  install the latest ubuntustudio 14.04.3 --- EVERYTHING on the DVD   2.  enable firewall (ufw is the tool)      3.  create 2 accounts on each machine; 1 for admin/sysops , 1 for normal everyday desktop users.
[15:14] <cfhowlett> if you want additional online protection there are some "NetNanny" apps available
[15:15] <the_man> Cool. Looking at 12.04 and 14.04, there might be another LTS 16.04 next year. But I will be back to bad-internet-land... So 14.04 will receive security fixes until the year 2017, right?
[15:15] <cfhowlett> 16.04 will be an LTS but as noted: 14.04 supported until 2017
[15:17] <cfhowlett> please also join the ubuntustudio-user mailing list.  Lots of helpful people there and, of course, ubuntustudio forums.
[15:18] <the_man> Thanks. We are running strict discipline in our office: One root and each user (about ten men and two ladies, including interns) has got his/her own account. It is still very tough to create a magazine on Scribus by team of several users, but I am directly in touch with the geat Scribus-email-list...
[15:18] <cfhowlett> yep!    an alternative to scribus is lyx; it's in the repos.
[15:18] <the_man> So, thank you guys. You have all encouraged me. This place IS alive, so I will go back to your website and read more about Studio. Seems it is properly hooked with Ubuntu and not just some exotic branch (no offence, there are many of those around and one can get easily into a dead-end, but in publishing "the show must go on" as you know).
[15:19] <cfhowlett> no offense taken.  all the official ubuntu flavors are well represented and supported.  it's the NON official ones that confuse people
[15:19] <cfhowlett> !flavors
[15:19] <cfhowlett> and ubuntu-mate should be added to this list
[15:20] <cfhowlett> as far as education, most of the apps you mentioned have at least an introductory tutorial.  some have extensive additional instructional materials
[15:21] <the_man> Did a lot of reading today: More then 350 living Linux distros out there...
[15:21] <cfhowlett> :)
[15:21] <zequence> the_man: The main benefit with Ubuntu Studio is for audio production. Also, the installer allows you to deselect packages
[15:22] <cfhowlett> I've been a US since it first released.  To many toys in the toy box for me to master them all, so I've stayed.
[15:22] <zequence> Ubuntu Studio is well configured for audio out of the box, while any other flavor is not
[15:22] <the_man> Do not worry about training, we are training our team for the last three years and they are doing great. They have gotten to know their tools, and if I get it right, they will not suffer too much from a transition in distribution.
[15:22] <cfhowlett> nice
[15:24] <cfhowlett> hey, a little PR idea: submit a write up of your project and Ubuntustudio deployment to www.fullcirclemagazine.org/downloads
[15:24] <cfhowlett> they always appreciate user created content
[15:24] <the_man> Audio was our one pain-in-the-neck on OpenSuse, because we had purchased some very nice studio microphones and a not-cheap external sound-card. It did run under Linux be we could never configure the recording-volume properly, so ended up running a German-language windows XP, which is a pain to our local team...
[15:25] <the_man> Do not ask me the brand name, because I am in Europe and the equipment is in Africa.
[15:26] <cfhowlett> http://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue7_en.pdf      this was the introductory article on ubuntustudio.
[15:26] <cfhowlett> probably time SOMEONE (*cough* Zequence! *cough*) submitted an updated article
[15:27] <the_man> Yes, thank you. If we start using Ubuntu Studio, I will give something back to the community too. Look here for my writeup about Scribus: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Success_stories_2014#Modern_Publishing_for_West_Africa
[15:28] <cfhowlett> I think I remember reading that.  Good work!
[15:29] <the_man> and here: http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/Success_stories_2012#Magazine:_G.CA.8Afa.C5.8Ba_G.CA.8Af.C9.94l.C9.A9_or_short_.22G.CA.8AG.CA.8A.22
[15:31] <the_man> So, it was nice getting initial pointers. Must move on now, check your counter on the iso-download server... Thanks again, over and out.
[15:31] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[15:43] <cfhowlett> the_man, the package manifest you asked for:   http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ubuntustudio-desktop
[17:31] <Turntable> hi
[17:32] <Turntable> i'm trying to install ubuntu studio on my pc but i got a black screen after "try without installing"
[17:32] <Turntable> can anyone help me?