[06:58] <dholbach> good morning
[07:37] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119, popey: do you know if the people on https://trello.com/c/A5O5LQHB/6-add-track-leads are already confirmed?
[07:38] <dholbach> because from the looks of it Cloud and Show&Tell are good to go
[07:38] <dpm> dholbach, they're not, I just added them as an initial suggestion during the call on Friday
[07:38] <dholbach> ok
[07:38] <dpm> davidcalle confirmed he'd be on show & tell, though
[07:39] <dholbach> <3
[07:39] <dpm> :)
[07:39] <dholbach> and you're up for Community? :)
[07:39] <dpm> yeah
[07:39] <dholbach> <3
[07:39] <dholbach> that's 3 track leads right there :)
[07:40] <dholbach> I'll confirm myself as well :)
[07:40] <dpm> cool :)
[07:40] <dholbach> popey, can I note you down as track lead for App Development? :)
[07:41] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119, I also added https://trello.com/c/Lo7zw5Xf/35-update-content-on-uds-u-c
[07:41] <dholbach> it's not a lot of work though
[07:42] <dholbach> I'll add a card for the wiki pages too
[07:43] <dholbach> or maybe we can drop the wiki pages and make them redirect?
[07:43] <dholbach> if we merge it into summit already....?
[07:50] <davidcalle> dholbach, hey :)
[07:50] <dholbach> hey davidcalle
[07:50] <davidcalle> dholbach, IS just told me they were about to add a new firewall rule to d.u.c -> myapps api
[07:51] <dholbach> awesome!
[07:57] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119: I updated all wiki pages - the one I was unsure about was: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Plenaries
[08:10] <popey> Morning from London.
[08:14] <dholbach> dpm, can you please take a look at the mail about the t-shirt designs?
[08:16] <dholbach> hey popey
[08:16] <dpm> dholbach, sure
[08:17] <dholbach> thanks
[08:26] <dholbach> mhall119, would you be willing to be track lead on the convergence track?
[12:38] <mhall119> dholbach: sure
[12:42] <dholbach> thanks mhall119
[12:56] <czajkowski> mhall119: aloha
[12:57] <czajkowski> mhall119: things I've found out today, not all US states are off but Florida is
[13:04] <jcastro> dholbach: I'll start the UOS bits when I get back tomorrow
[13:05] <jcastro> been on the road
[13:05] <mhall119> czajkowski: not this Floridian
[13:05] <dholbach> jcastro, sure... do you already know if you're going to be a tracklead or do you need to think about it some more?
[14:23] <dholbach> dpm, hello hello? :)
[14:34] <dpm> dholbach, you noticed it, I just didn't want to talk to you anymore :)
[14:34] <dpm> I thought I was subtle enough
[14:34] <dholbach> right
[14:34] <dholbach> nothing new :)
[15:10] <dholbach> davidcalle, mhall119: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12763819/ looks like it's a step in the right direction :)
[15:10] <davidcalle> dholbach, on my end, I've tested the menu generation, it basically creates a map of a md file, and uses h1 and h2 titles to generate a menu in a div on the left side
[15:10] <dholbach> the importer still messes stuff up, but less now :)
[15:10] <dholbach> woah
[15:11] <davidcalle> dholbach, but... why would you select drafts?
[15:11]  * dholbach programmes to machines to print more "David Callé for president!" stickers
[15:11] <dholbach> davidcalle, the other one didn't have any effect - it looks like right now it does the right thing
[15:11] <dholbach> or... well, more of a right thing
[15:12] <dholbach> a righter thing
[15:12] <davidcalle> dholbach, hmm
[15:12] <davidcalle> :)
[15:12] <mhall119> it does the righter thing less wrongly
[15:13] <dholbach> I still don't get http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12763777/
[15:13] <dholbach> all of the articles are published
[15:13] <mhall119> dholbach: davidcalle: are you calling the Page.publish() method at any time? If not, you might want to try and see if that does the whole draft/published song and dance for you
[15:14] <dholbach> some are publisher_is_draft=true though
[15:14] <dholbach> mhall119, it is
[15:16] <davidcalle> I imagine it differentiates between "draft" and "public draft" (what's just been created as a draft VS what's available to other people allowed to see drafts)
[15:16] <dholbach> mh, ok
[15:16] <davidcalle> Or maybe not
[15:16] <mhall119> davidcalle: I don't think so
[15:16] <mhall119> I think everybody sees the same "draft"
[15:17] <davidcalle> Then, "published" means "published once"
[16:04] <davidcalle> mhall119, dholbach, dpm, if you have a moment and a phone on rc-proposed (not sure if that's needed, but just in case), please test the silo-020. It allows scopes refreshing by applying a diff and not reloading the whole content :-O
[16:58] <dholbach> all right... I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[18:19] <wxl> hey folks. quick question: i hear msm has left canonical??? who's the main contact for community donations now?
[18:19] <wxl> i'm actually trying, as my LoCo Team Leader, to help organize several members of our team to go to an event than I can't make it to
[18:38] <pleia2> I think dholbach said it was Stefanie, wxl I can /msg you contact info
[18:38] <pleia2> wxl: did you submit a request and not hear back, or...?
[18:40] <pleia2> wxl: ah, the bottom of the funding page says Claire: http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[18:40] <pleia2> so I'd start there :)
[19:02] <wxl> pleia2: thanks for pointing out the obvious. i need to have a good contact because this event is right around the corner!
[19:03] <pleia2> the contact was updated recently upon the departure of msm (there was a bug report) so that should be the correct one now
[19:04] <pleia2> can also poke mhall119 if you need, they're the folks that review the requests, even if claire and others handle logistics
[19:11] <popey> pleia2: correct, clan (Claire) is the right contact, although first port of call is applying through the website
[19:11] <popey> wxl: ^
[19:11] <wxl> right right. already done in my case. thanks popey
[19:11] <popey> super
[19:12] <wxl> if mhall119 is the one that does the review, i guess he's the person i need to harass. consider yourself harassed, sir. i need to check on the community donations requests for Ubuntu Oregon LoCo @ SeaGL
[19:17] <popey> its not just mhall119, it's the entire team
[19:18] <wxl> oh well, perhaps he can speak for them
[19:18] <popey> We review them on a wednesday afternoon
[19:18]  * wxl shrugs
[19:18] <wxl> oh oh ok
[19:18] <popey> s/them/us/ :)
[19:18] <wxl> i'll wait until wed then :)
[19:19] <popey> kk
[19:19] <wxl> i just sent an email to stephanie to clarify her role in the whole thing
[19:19] <wxl> you'll have been cc'd of course
[19:20] <wxl> nice to have things down officially in writing :)
[19:36] <popey> uh, why?
[19:37] <popey> I just explained it's Clare, not Stephanie.
[19:37] <popey> *Claire
[19:40] <wxl> popey: because i'm trying to figure out how Stephanie got involved at all in this whole thing. if you read the email, the question is more about why she's getting involved when Claire appears to be the contact. perhaps she is somehow peripherally involved? just seeking clarity. also, it will ensure that the LoCo request the LC is dealing with gets properly routed.
[19:41] <popey> I don't have the email wxl
[19:42] <wxl> sent to CC popey. may be held up in moderation
[19:49] <popey> wxl: to clarify donation requests sent via the form go to a spreadsheet which the community team reviews on a wednesday afternoon. We +1 / -1 / 0 / ask for more info. Claire then goes through them after we have done that, to get in contact with the person doing the request.
[19:50] <popey> wxl: Claire will do the actual movement of money / paperwork / ordering of items. The Community team is the reviewer, she's the do-er :)
[19:50] <wxl> popey: so as far as you know, stephanie doesn't even have a peripheral involvement in it?
[19:50] <popey> wxl: Well, Stephanie works for Canonical and may have some involvement. By primarily it's Community Team & Claire. as previously it was Community Team & msm.
[19:51] <popey> wxl: Stephanie may well get involved if there's some work she could do to help Claire / us out.
[19:51] <wxl> popey: so that all makes sense to me. i'll redirect this LC inquiry at Claire then, or at least include her in it
[19:52] <popey> wxl: maybe I can answer your inquiry? :)
[19:52] <wxl> popey: they're looking for a tracking number on the donation request, so perhaps Claire would be ideal
[19:53] <popey> wxl: Has the request been approved and sent yet?
[19:53] <wxl> popey: not quite sure. let me check the logs
[19:53] <popey> wxl: Which team? Who made the request?
[19:54] <wxl> popey: George Christofis, Ubuntu Greece for Fosscomm 2015
[19:55] <wxl> sorry if i seem a bit distracted. doing php updates on the work webserver. ugh.
[19:55] <popey> wxl: I see no requests under that name, I see one under your name.
[19:55] <wxl> well i did just submit mine this weekend
[19:55] <wxl> so that's kind of freaky
[19:56] <popey> computers are fast like that :)
[19:56] <wxl> popey: George sent his request to us 7 October and said he had put the request through a couple days before that
[19:57] <wxl> Fosscomm is 6-8 November, so there's a wee bit of time there
[19:57] <wxl> popey: my event is this month!
[19:58] <wxl> popey: fwiw George's email is geochr22 at gmail
[19:59] <popey> hmmm
[19:59] <popey> let me look
[20:00] <wxl> hm he didn't use the community donations form, popey
[20:00] <wxl> that may be the problem
[20:00] <wxl> he used:
[20:00] <wxl> https://forms.canonical.com/locopack/
[20:00] <wxl> and https://forms.canonical.com/lococd/
[20:00] <popey> ah, that's different!
[20:01] <popey> I don't know where those go. Sorry. You asked about the community donations.
[20:01] <wxl> *MINE* were sent through the normal community donations form. even though i did ask for a little swag box, i also need to get travel and accomodations covered.
[20:01] <popey> That's the one I know.
[20:01] <popey> Sorry, dunno about the loco ones.
[20:01] <wxl> well that's problematic
[20:01] <popey> Why?
[20:01] <popey> Me not knowing something isn't a problem :)
[20:01] <wxl> heheh no :)
[20:01] <popey> Just means it's someone elses problem :)
[20:01] <wxl> but we may have to deprecate those forms if we don't know whose problem they are
[20:01] <wxl> maybe that's why stephanie got involved
[20:02] <popey> No, lets not get ahead of ourselves
[20:02] <popey> I just said I don't know where they go, not 'lets nuke them from orbit'
[20:02] <wxl> i was more thinking out loud than making suggestions, sorry :)
[20:03] <popey> I recommend we have this conversation tomorrow, when dpm/m hall119 etc are around then.
[20:03]  * wxl nods
[20:17] <czajkowski> nuking is so not PC :)
[20:18] <wxl> yes, deprecating has a nice ring to it XD
[20:44] <mhall119> wxl: I'd much rather revive the LoCo DVD program, rather than nuke it
[20:49] <wxl> mhall119: yeah like i said, just talking out loud. i think having the separate forms makes a lot of sense. assuming people other than the people involved in the community donations are responsible for those (maybe the loco council?), that would reduce the strain on the community team
[20:50] <wxl> mhall119: is anyone responsible for them at present?
[20:50] <mhall119> the LoCo council is responsible for verifying teams, any verified team should be approved to get DVDs
[20:51] <mhall119> I suspect that msm just didn't remember this program when she was assigning her tasks to clan and stephanie
[20:51]  * mhall119 is assuming msm handled the requested in the past anyway
[20:52] <wxl> mhall119: both are mentioned here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences
[20:53] <wxl> mhall119: it also mentions a pack for non-verified locos
[20:54] <wxl> mhall119: it agrees with your notion that you must be verified to get cds
[20:55] <mhall119> wxl: especially with the barrier to verified being somewhat lower than it was for approved
[20:55] <wxl> mhall119: i feel that if we are going to "refresh" those programs, then we need to make sure that that page and the cda page (http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/) refer to one another
[20:55] <mhall119> wxl: agreed, both should be on community.u.c too
[20:55] <wxl> yep
[20:55] <mhall119> kill the wiki pages
[20:56]  * popey gets the nukes
[20:56] <wxl> mhall119: perhaps merging them together would be best and then we can make a redirect from the originals
[20:56] <wxl> popey: you mean "deprecates" XD
[20:57] <wxl> mhall119: so can you coordinate with claire (clan?) and stephanie to ensure that they know about these forms and how to access the submissions and what not?
[20:57] <wxl> …and/or ensure SOMEONE knows?
[20:58] <wxl> mhall119: i guess for the time being, reviewing them should fall under the responsibility of the CC but i would fully support the LC doing it if that's of any value to you guys. considering the money involved, perhaps not.
[20:58] <mhall119> wxl: yup, already emailing them both about the request
[20:58] <wxl> thank you sir!
[20:58] <mhall119> happy to help :)
[20:59] <mhall119> wxl: I think it definitely belongs under the LC's responsibility
[20:59] <wxl> mhall119: as i told popey, i'll come back wednesday night or thursday to check in about what's going on the with the requests that i sent in. perhaps they're purgatorially in the æther :)
[21:00] <wxl> mhall119: then could you also send the LC a note about the process we would go through to review these, e.g. how would we get the requests, where would we submit them to, etc?
[21:02] <mhall119> wxl: I don't think the LC needs to review individual requests, just verify the teams on a regular basis like you already do
[21:03] <mhall119> I can't think of a reason why a verified team *shouldn't* get DVDs if they request them, can you?
[21:03] <wxl> mhall119: certainly not
[21:05] <mhall119> well, one reason I cna think of is if that team's country is likely to hold them in customs, we've had that problem with a few
[21:05] <mhall119> but that's not something for the LC to approve/reject either, just a live and learn thing
[21:05]  * mhall119 hopes msm made a list of those countries
[21:05] <wxl> mhall119: we should keep a running list of them on that community.u.c page
[21:06] <mhall119> good idea
[21:16] <wxl> mhall119: better yet— remove the countries from the country list or create an OnClick that pops up a notification that we cannot ship to that country due to customs
[21:17] <wxl> mhall119: i also think (talking about the standard community donations), that giving people an expectation as to when to expect a response would be good, too