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SpiderixiusHello07:05
lordievaderGood morning.08:10
SpiderixiusMorning Lordie09:30
lordievaderHey Spiderixius09:32
Spiderixius I have to add, Fishshell is darn good!11:01
Spiderixiushas autocompletion based on your usage history of the terminal.11:01
BluesKajHiyas all11:08
SpiderixiusHello Kaj11:13
lotuspsychjegood evening to all13:15
lotuspsychjeerm afternoon i mean13:16
BluesKaj'morning  lotuspsychje :-)13:17
lotuspsychjehey BluesKaj :p13:17
lordievaderJumping timezones, lotuspsychje?13:17
lotuspsychjelol lordievader :p13:17
BluesKajthink I'll have some breakfast13:18
lotuspsychjebon apetit BluesKaj13:20
BluesKajlotuspsychje, thanks13:21
HackerIIdoh13:47
lotuspsychjeadd to favs :p13:47
HackerIIgot it13:47
lotuspsychjeall ok mate?13:47
HackerIImy little red queen13:47
lotuspsychjelol13:47
lotuspsychjenot sure where she cam from13:47
HackerIIwhos idea was that13:48
lotuspsychjeno idea13:48
lotuspsychjejust saw her yesterday13:48
HackerIIso, howya doin these days13:48
lotuspsychjegreat13:48
HackerIIsame here13:48
lotuspsychjegot my bq 4.5 ubuntu touch13:48
HackerIIwork good ?13:48
lotuspsychjeand it rocknrolls :p13:48
lotuspsychjeyes13:48
HackerIIi want one, link me lemme see it13:49
lotuspsychjeHackerII: your usa?13:49
HackerIIis that the one that only goes 3g ?13:49
HackerIIin usa13:49
lotuspsychjenot sure bq works in usa13:49
HackerIIi think its only 3g13:50
HackerIIid still get one, how much you pay13:50
lotuspsychjeim europe here13:50
lotuspsychje173 euro with send costs13:50
HackerIIwhats that in dollars13:50
lotuspsychjeHackerII: you can ask in #ubuntu-touch if bq works usa13:50
lotuspsychjeHackerII: about the same13:51
HackerIIunder 200 dollars ?, tooo cheap13:51
lotuspsychjeloool13:51
lotuspsychjeits nice clean and small13:51
lotuspsychjea guy cant wear big phones in his pocket right13:51
HackerIIis it fast enough, isnt that a 2g processor ?13:51
lotuspsychjeHackerII: http://www.bq.com/gb/aquaris-e4-5-ubuntu-edition13:52
HackerIIsoon as it comes here ill get one 4 sure13:52
HackerIIlooks13:52
lotuspsychjethere's the E5 also13:53
lotuspsychjebut i dont need hd13:53
HackerIIso, you have a full fledged ubuntu on that ?13:54
HackerIItooo coool13:54
lotuspsychjeyes13:55
HackerIIOperating system Ubuntu13:55
lotuspsychjei got tablet nexus7 with touch also13:55
lotuspsychjeyes13:55
lotuspsychjefree updates13:55
HackerIIim beta testing the new kodi today, gonna install it on a xtra space, i have the g-box which is nifty13:55
lotuspsychjecool13:56
HackerIIman, i hevent got anything but a generic cell px, waiting for the ubuntu px here13:56
HackerIIi (will) spend the money13:56
lotuspsychje:p13:56
HackerIIsrsly, how do you like it13:57
HackerIIdoesnt it have external graphics output ?13:57
lotuspsychjevery like ubuntu touch13:57
lotuspsychjeno13:58
HackerIIhuh, i thought you could hook a monitor to it13:58
lotuspsychjethat convergence mode is something they still work on13:59
lotuspsychjeand not sure bq 4.5 will be able to13:59
lotuspsychjeask in #ubuntu-touch for more details13:59
HackerIIok13:59
lotuspsychjethink meizu will be able13:59
HackerIImost likely14:00
lotuspsychjebut as i dislike android so much14:00
HackerIIbeing able to hook a monitor and keyboard/mouse would make that thing flyoff the shelves14:00
lotuspsychjeim soo happy with touch phone :p14:00
HackerIIi dont trust any of those guys, only ubuntu14:00
HackerIIproven14:01
lotuspsychjeanother wish on my list would be terminal apps install on the phone14:01
lotuspsychjenow its locked for safety14:01
HackerIIi wish they would hurry up14:01
HackerIIcant unlock it ?14:01
HackerIIis it rootable ?14:01
lotuspsychjeyou can, but you cant receive updates then14:01
HackerIIah14:02
HackerIIic14:02
lotuspsychjeand i want the new updates :p14:02
HackerIIya14:02
lotuspsychjefor the 170 euro im very satisfyed14:02
HackerIIid be too, not bad price at all14:03
lotuspsychjei dont wanna pay 4g neither14:03
lotuspsychjeonly wifi at places14:03
HackerIIi just hope the nsa dont demand back doors like thay did microshaft14:03
OerHeksNo java, great phone14:03
OerHeksNo Dalvik either, so no lawsuites :-D14:04
HackerIIlol14:04
lotuspsychje:p14:04
OerHeksmeizu mx4 is sold out, maybe mx5 is comming ..14:04
HackerIIyou kno it14:05
lotuspsychjeand other brands will join the circus too14:05
HackerIIyep14:05
OerHeksOne plus One is nearly usable.14:05
lotuspsychjepower to opensource!14:05
HackerIIive been w ubuntu from the start, they have proven trust by me14:05
HackerIIgot customers, back when done, good day folks14:06
lotuspsychjekk14:07
lotuspsychjelaterz14:07
lotuspsychjeadd to favs :p14:07
HackerIIdone14:07
lotuspsychjecfhowlett: good afternoon mate14:35
cfhowlettheyheyhey lotuspsychje14:35
OerHekshi-di-hi cfhowlett14:36
lotuspsychjelol14:36
lotuspsychjehi EriC^^14:41
EriC^^hi lotuspsychje14:43
lotuspsychjehttp://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-15-10-is-shipping-with-linux-kernel-4-2-494357.shtml14:48
HackerIIidk the validity to this.16:20
HackerIIhttp://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=22054316:20
daftykinso/16:59
daftykinsit would appear i was banned again in my absence16:59
EriC^^daftykins: o/17:00
daftykinsjust got back from England :)17:00
EriC^^cool, had fun?17:00
daftykinsyeah good stuff thanks :) saw my friends little 14 month old son - and fixed up all their computers :)17:01
pauljwHi everyone17:01
daftykinsheya \o17:01
EriC^^cool17:01
EriC^^hi pauljw17:01
pauljwhow's everyone today?17:02
daftykinsin good spirits here thanks :) yourself?17:02
pauljwsame  :)17:02
EriC^^im good thanks17:02
pauljw:)17:03
pauljwthat's a good trick to get banned while not even here daftykins17:03
EriC^^maybe it was your cat O.o17:04
daftykins:D17:04
EriC^^like the guy who's cat kept deleting his home dir or something17:04
pauljwheheh17:04
daftykinswell an op i know unbanned me on the day i left, then i think the one i offended must've put it back17:04
EriC^^( i watched my cat for a few days to see what buttons it was pressing ..) remember? :D >.<17:04
daftykinsEriC^^: haha i remember that guy :D17:04
lotuspsychje_good evening pauljw and daftykins17:05
daftykinshey hey!17:06
pauljwoh the world and its sensitivities...17:06
daftykinslotuspsychje_: you'd be proud, i had a friend buy a samsung 850 EVO whilst i was away ;)17:06
pauljwhey lotuspsychje_17:06
lotuspsychje_nice daftykins17:07
lotuspsychje_daftykins: and he installed linux on it?17:07
daftykinsthen i put the old 60GB OCZ he had into his wifes old 1.4GHz 1GB RAM Advent laptop - with xubuntu :)17:07
lotuspsychje_cool17:08
lotuspsychje_ssd always benfits :p17:08
daftykinsdefinitely17:08
lotuspsychje_still got that old transcend 8gig slc17:08
daftykinsfrom a netbook or some such?17:08
lotuspsychje_running trusty 64bit rocketfast17:08
lotuspsychje_no got a desktop running on it17:09
lotuspsychje_and 1TB data mechanical drives17:09
lotuspsychje_daftykins: bought it spare, back in the ssd expensive days17:09
lotuspsychje_payed like 100 euro for it17:09
daftykins:)17:10
lotuspsychje_!isitoutyet17:14
ubot5`Not yet!17:14
OerHeksWhy, ubot5`, why?17:15
OerHekswily is slower than vivid, i like that.17:15
lotuspsychje_lol17:16
lotuspsychje_give us the rushhhh17:16
OerHeksor phoronics should dust the fans17:16
lotuspsychje_lol17:18
daftykinsis it really slower? or you just mean slower to be released? :)17:18
OerHeksHe did a benchmark, most points it is slower, but will we notice that?17:19
OerHekshttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-15-Benchmarks17:19
daftykinsthat's a really strange specification system to test on17:20
daftykinsmore of a workstation than a common desktop17:20
OerHeksi think he is using a wireless mouse, that can slow down milliseconds too17:21
daftykinsXD17:21
OerHeks*hips*17:21
lotuspsychje_ah well, at least we will have 4.2 kernel and new scrollbars lol17:22
daftykinsand roll on January 31st to make 15.04 go EOL, so there're only 3 releases left standing :)17:23
daftykins12.04, 14.04 and 15.10 then right?17:23
lordievader!precise17:24
ubot5`Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) is a currently-supported !LTS release of Ubuntu.  Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/120417:24
lordievaderHmpf, why don't you list the support period...17:24
daftykinsApril 2017 i figure17:24
daftykins5 year LTS?17:24
lordievaderMakes sense ;)17:24
daftykinsnow all i need do is get unbanned so i can actually help ;)17:25
daftykinsalthough i might actually get a new job so i can keep busier for the Christmas period17:25
lordievaderdaftykins: You got banned from #ubuntu? What for?17:25
lordievaderTelling an idiot he is an idiot?17:25
daftykinsi was a bit rude to an op17:25
lotuspsychje_wich117:25
daftykinsafter a long shift i didn't appreciate being told the rules :)17:25
daftykinsmight be better for my case if i don't name, i'm afraid!17:26
lordievaderAgreed.17:26
lotuspsychje_| grep logs :p17:26
daftykins:D17:26
daftykinsgrep for me and f***17:27
lotuspsychje_hahaha17:27
lotuspsychje_at least all the friendly volunteers are here :p17:27
daftykins;_;17:28
daftykinsi'm friendly!17:28
lotuspsychje_of course, thats why i invited you here17:28
daftykinsoh i get what you meant now, my mistake17:29
lotuspsychje_:p17:29
lotuspsychje_mocking is not my style dont worry17:29
daftykins:D17:30
pauljw:)17:30
lordievaderAhh, too bad :(17:30
lordievader:P17:30
lotuspsychje_lol17:30
lotuspsychje_!info macchanger | daftykins and come as d4ftykins :p17:31
ubot5`daftykins and come as d4ftykins :p: macchanger (source: macchanger): utility for manipulating the MAC address of network interfaces. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.7.0-5.3 (vivid), package size 186 kB, installed size 677 kB (Only available for linux-any)17:31
lordievaderlotuspsychje_: Why would he change his mac?17:32
daftykinshaha, i think i'm only banned by my cloak17:32
lotuspsychje_ip/nick ban?17:32
lotuspsychje_ah ok17:32
daftykinsor at least i was before i left on my trip17:32
lordievaderBetter to just ask the ops to unban you.17:33
lotuspsychje_im out, movienight with the misses17:33
lotuspsychje_see you next session guys17:33
lordievaderHave fun17:33
lotuspsychje_tnx17:33
pauljwlater17:33
daftykinstake care o/17:33
daftykinsyeah i wouldn't do deception, not worth the hassle17:33
lordievaderYou might just get a more severe ban.17:34
daftykinsindeed17:34
OerHeksnow you are welcome again, daftykins18:36
pauljw:)18:36
OerHeksF**** = Friend!18:36
daftykins8D18:36
pauljwheheh18:36
daftykinsall thanks to a kind soul :)18:37
pauljwyou're a kind soul yourself and much more patient than I18:37
daftykinsi have my moments ;)18:38
OerHeksIf i could swim, i came over for meet & greet.18:38
pauljw:)18:38
daftykinsthat'd be neat actually, i do like to put faces to names with IRC folk18:40
daftykinsas it was the friends i was visiting, i discussed my helping out in #ubuntu whilst i was doing the xubuntu reinstall18:40
daftykinsthey think it's really admirable work18:41
OerHeksi am sure you have seen this one before https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/DrabberEnIkOpPaard.JPG18:41
pauljwit is admirable, i'm in awe of some of the knowledge shared here.  irc itself is something that i never knew existed till i discovered linux and was taken with it almost as much as the os itself18:43
daftykinsOerHeks: i don't think so! are you going to shock me and say you are the horse? ;)18:44
OerHeksYes.18:45
OerHeksno, the girl ...18:45
OerHeksehhh that guy on top of it, ofcourse :-D18:45
daftykins^_^18:45
daftykinsthat's a cool dog18:46
daftykinskinda looks like a firefox (red panda) in the face :)18:46
OerHekshttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6885560/2015DrabberSStoer.JPG18:47
OerHeksChihuahua, long hair version18:47
daftykinshehe, that is a proper Clint Eastwood pose :)18:49
daftykinsi'm sure everyones seen mine, but here was me on my riding trip to Wales - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ogkekwst4h8b4dw/IMG_20150906_171157.jpg?dl=018:50
OerHeksdifferent bike .. or was that the rental ?18:51
daftykinsgood memory! just a friends one beside me from that angle :)18:51
pauljwbrb...18:53
OerHeksGot a free bike last week, simular to this, blue with white fenders, 12 speed http://www.galaxybikes.com/1970s-peugeot-57cm-road-city-bike/ (same year)18:57
wileeenice, looks like a comfy ride18:58
OerHeksno rust, allways been inside, so the tyres are dried out.18:58
pauljwthat's sweet18:59
OerHeksyes, the steering is like a limousine, for long rides.18:59
wileeethat is worth a bit just as a historical bike.....somewhere18:59
OerHeksAllways handy to have a 2nd one, for friends on visit, or when one is broken.19:00
OerHeksI was actually looking for a lady bike, for a friend here in this appartmentblock.19:00
OerHeksnever say npo to a free bike :-D19:00
OerHeks*no19:00
wileeeyeah, I have a street mountain combo great for the street19:01
OerHeks*unless the lock is broken without key19:01
wileeeheh, would steal either, funny shows with people getting trapped doing it.19:01
wileeewould not*19:02
OerHeksNo need to steal, really, all i need will get on my path, but not all on my path is good for me.19:02
wileeeheh, you to19:03
daftykinsbike looks good :)19:05
daftykinswhilst away my friend told me his was stolen from a train station up there :(19:06
wileeesaw this lately, did not know and I live here, kinda funny, very portlandia, http://laughingsquid.com/the-pedal-powered-talk-show-a-portland-oregon-talk-show-recorded-from-a-desk-mounted-to-a-cargo-bike/19:06
OerHeksawesome, wilee, i would like to do that too :-D19:07
daftykinsthat looks like good fun!19:08
wileeeI've only seen bits of portlandia, I don't have cable, but saw them filming next to my daily starbucks hang, some other horror show is filmed here as well.19:09
daftykinsi keep hearing the line that "the 90s are alive in Portland" but don't know much else about it :)19:11
wileeeIt is a funny place to be, no idea what it's like elsewhere, a good chuckle by the minute from the persona's worn and acted out by many.19:14
wileeeeverybody has a funky dad's hat lol19:15
wileeevery popular donut place here, very close I don't go, I might not leave. http://voodoodoughnut.com/19:17
daftykinsi found it very odd at the weekend when i installed xubuntu on an empty drive, that it set the GRUB timeout to 1019:26
daftykinswell, perhaps it always is - but i was surprised it actually did make me wait19:27
wileeefirst thing I change generally19:27
daftykinsi only expect to see it displayed on a failed boot19:28
wileeeheh, makes sense I have been multi booting for so long19:30
OerHeksIt is getting colder, people start using the pc again .. lots of EOL nerds19:43
wileeeand their mad now19:43
OerHeksSome of them will return to Vista :-D19:44
OerHeksoh, that is EOL too19:44
OerHekshi mcphail19:45
mcphailHi OerHeks19:45
mcphailDoes anyone think it would be reasonable to tweak the installer to support bcache?19:45
mcphailIf a bcache'd filesystem is detected, bcache tools shopuld be installed so the install will boot19:46
mcphailWithout bcache-tools, the filesystem isn't recognised at boot19:47
OerHeksThat would be nice, just read about bcache19:48
mcphailOerHeks: it (seems_ to work well. But currently requires a chroot into the install to add the bcache-tools package before reboot. Messy19:48
mcphail(and the cause for a bit of my hair loss last night)19:49
OerHeksI think one needs live mode first, to prepare bcache19:52
OerHeksnot possible on a server install though19:52
mcphailOerHeks: you can do a server install, but you'd need to use debootstrap. There's a neat Ubuntu server guide somewhere19:53
daftykinsOerHeks: ah that's a good point as to why we're seeing those utopic users, indeed19:53
mcphailOerHeks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/InstallOnBcache19:54
OerHeksoh, i was looking @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Bcache19:55
OerHeksnice19:55
mcphailI suspect there must be a way for the installer to check for /dev/bcache* and add the tools. Alternatively, they could be added to the base install by default (as the package is only 18.6kb)20:04
OerHekscat /sys/block/bcache0/bcache/state  The output can be: no cache / clean / dirty / inconsistent20:11
OerHeks* afer adding the tools, i presume20:12
mcphailI think you need to have set up a bcache device (and add the tools) before that /sys tree is populated20:13
OerHeksehm .. good point20:13
OerHeksis Bcache better than DM-cache?20:14
mcphailIt fits in my brain better :)20:14
mcphailI think the intent is similar20:15
OerHeksinteresting, i like to try it myself. i have a spare 60 gb ssd and a 4 gb duocore.20:16
OerHeksmaybe 2 x320 gb sata2 too for raid20:17
mcphailcertainly worth a try on a spare machine. I'm using it for an experiment wily install. No problems yet, but have only been using it for 24h ;)20:18
OerHeksboth can handle udev?20:19
mcphailin what way?20:21
mcphailbcache-tools sets up the udev rules, if that's what you mean?20:22
mcphail(That's why I'd propose adding it to the installer...)20:23
daftykinswow even more utopic question askers20:52
daftykinshow do these people not notice they're running EOL 'til now? XD20:52
mcphailProbably never press the "update" button during the supported period, anyway20:54
daftykinscould well be20:55
EriC^^when i first wanted to download ubuntu i downloaded a non lts, if you dont know about package managers and linux and stuff long term support is like a chinese term or something20:56
daftykinsvery true20:56
EriC^^i remember thinking what's this sudo thing every where20:56
daftykinsthough i think i was lucky and spotted both the terms on the download page that first time - and checked what it meant20:57
mcphailHa - I have a debian squeeze box which I have to hand-compile all security updates, so I can't criticise20:57
OerHeksI joined the irc right away, when switching from Fedora to Ubuntu.20:58
OerHeksBut ubuntu-nl is pretty dead.20:58
mcphailIs Seveas in ubuntu-nl? I think he taught me everything I now know when I joined the #ubuntu irc21:00
mcphailI often wonder how #ubuntu can get that same atmosphere of help and support again. I suppose having 20 people each day asking the same questions about EOL ditros and over-full /boot partitions doesn't help21:03
OerHeksNope, he is doing nothing lately, according to his wikipage21:04
OerHeksI miss ikonia, actionparsnip and such21:04
mcphailThe #ubuntu-touch community is very nice, and is like a (smaller) version of #ubuntu in its prime21:06
MonkeyDusti'd like to see the installation of thermald (daemon) and indicator-cpufreq added to this page... where or how do I suggest it? ... https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/power-hotcomputer.html21:27
daftykinshmm, if you're logged in with single sign on - do any controls become visible to edit it?21:41
daftykinsi'm not sure how the pages are handled tbh21:41
daftykinsTJ-: hi sir \o21:41
TJ-Evening :)21:42
daftykinsback from invading England, but i've got to retire early for a change to keep my good schedule and also work! :D21:42
daftykinsnn all \o21:43
TJ-Setting a good example! I need to do that too21:43
OerHeksdaftykins, i lost my yubikey, now i cannot login anymore, mail does not help :-(21:43
OerHeksno more replies to askubuntu, only ubuntu-nl forum is available21:44
TJ-OerHeks: you lost it?! no back-up?21:44
OerHeksit is a hardwarekey21:45
TJ-I mean back-up for the sites you use it on. If a site accepts Ubikey as a 2nd factor, they should always provide a method to disable the ubikey/2-factor in case it is broken/lost/stolen21:48
OerHeksTJ-, nope, all i can do is joining an irc channel ( dead) or mail .. done twice, no reaction :-( dunno what to do now21:49
TJ-OerHeks: I assume this is with one.ubuntu.com single-sign-on?21:49
OerHeksYes21:49
TJ-Ahhh, and the policy there recommends using 2 or more 2FA device21:51
OerHeksohh.. i tried now, and i can..21:51
OerHeksnever got a reply they have resetted21:52
OerHeks\o/21:52
OerHeksmea culpa, for this non problem21:52
TJ-:D21:54
TJ-And set up a back-up device next time :)21:54
OerHeksSure do!21:55

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