[06:59] <dholbach> good morning
[08:08] <matv1> morning all
[08:08] <matv1> my browsers keep crashing after launching since this morning
[08:08] <matv1> webapps dont
[08:09] <matv1> even after reboots
[08:10] <matv1> plural because I use both Liri and ubuntu touch browser
[08:10] <matv1> now they spin a while and just die
[08:11] <matv1> I noticed i was low on space so i cleared a bunch but no luck
[08:11] <matv1> any thoughts how to proceed/troubleshoot anyone?
[08:13] <jgdx> matv1, logs logz laaaags
[08:13] <matv1> jgdx sure. any specific?
[08:14] <jgdx> matv1, the browser to start
[08:14] <jgdx> then check /var/crash
[08:14] <jgdx> then unity8 logs
[08:15] <matv1> ok!
[08:15] <matv1> hmm dekko is also doing it :(
[08:16] <matv1> the plot thickens
[08:16] <jgdx> matv1, what build is this?
[08:16] <matv1> stable
[08:16] <jgdx> ota6?
[08:16] <matv1> yup
[08:17] <jgdx> matv1, writable image?
[08:17] <matv1> no just straightup ota6 nothing done to it.
[08:18] <jgdx> okay
[08:19] <jgdx> what does df -h say?
[08:19] <jgdx> maybe you didn't clear as much as you thought
[08:28] <matv1> jgdx df -h says everything ok except for /android/system (99% use). But i dont believe i can do much about that
[08:29] <matv1> http://pastebin.com/NbvSKvit
[08:30] <jgdx> matv1, yeah, no
[08:30] <jgdx> see anything in the logs?
[08:31] <matv1> hangon sorry im at work. sorry
[08:38] <sturmflut2> Good morning!
[08:39] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, poke ... i have some issue with embedded iframe videos not goin fullscreen anymore ...
[08:39] <ogra_> qml: [JS] (:0) Entering fullscreen in an <iframe> with no allowfullscreen attribute is deprecated and will stop working in M46, around October 2015. Please use the allowfullscreen attribute.
[08:40] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, (indeed i have no influence on the website providing that iframe, would there be a way to override this check )
[08:41] <ogra_> (that seems to be a recent blink/oxide change)
[08:44] <sturmflut2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1505012 Now that's a strange bug, don't 3G and 2G use the same background logic and channels for voice calls? 4G does it completely different, yes
[08:44] <ogra_> hmm
[08:44] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1505012 in Canonical System Image "3G blocks the receiving of calls in ITALY!" [Undecided,New]
[08:44]  * ogra_ notes it works in the webbrowser without spilling this error
[08:50] <tvoss> sturmflut2, fyi: I'm walking through the bug reports right now
[08:50] <sturmflut2> \o/
[08:50] <tvoss> sturmflut2, it will take a day or two to answer and classify them, though
[08:51] <sturmflut2> tvoss: Sure, this is no easy topic.
[08:53] <matv1> jgdx terribly sorry. regular work sidetracked me. I keep telling them not to bother me with workstuff :)
[08:53] <matv1> anyway logs
[08:53] <matv1> http://pastebin.com/Bia7qrkm  is webbrowser
[08:54] <matv1> http://pastebin.com/2UuRuDk6  is unity8
[08:55] <jgdx> matv1, not sure what you're apologizing for, it's okay that communication is async here. I'm not on the edge of my seat :)
[08:56] <matv1> haha ok
[08:56] <matv1> anyway we have: upstart reports failure of application "webbrowser-app" that AppManager is not managing
[08:58] <jgdx> yeah, anything new in /var/crash? E.g. do $ ls -laht /var/crash
[08:59] <jgdx> matv1, I would start thinking about putting this in a bug report against cdsi ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+filebug )
[08:59] <jgdx> I can't tell what's going on
[09:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy World Arthritis Day! 😃
[09:02] <matv1> jgdx ok I wil do that.
[09:02] <matv1> thanks
[09:03] <sturmflut2> What would it take to build the SIM Toolkit App? A bit of Qt/QML that runs unconfined and talks to ofono via D-Bus?
[09:09] <jgdx> sturmflut2, maybe not unconfined, but given access to the toolkit interface on the ofono bus?
[09:09] <jgdx> sturmflut2, not sure what the policies are here, maybe you can ask on #ubuntu-app-devel and maybe ping popey.
[09:10] <sturmflut2> jgdx: Will do, thanks
[09:10] <morphis> sturmflut2: yes, that is what would be needed
[09:10] <morphis> sturmflut2: I just talked with awe a week ago and he said from the ofono side STK should mostly work
[09:11] <sturmflut2> morphis: Thanks for the info. I can at least give it a try, I've never used the SIM Toolkit myself but I agree that it is pretty important for many countries and operators in the world.
[09:12] <morphis> yeah
[09:12] <jgdx> sturmflut2, is there a bug somewhere?
[09:12] <morphis> sturmflut2: however, either we add a separate app or put that into the settings app
[09:12] <sturmflut2> jgdx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ofono/+bug/1323837
[09:13] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1323837 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "Sim toolkit is not available on UT" [Wishlist,Triaged]
[09:13] <sturmflut2> morphis: From an UX standpoint I would make it a separate app. If we put it in the settings it might simply be "too many clicks away".
[09:13] <jgdx> sturmflut2, I'm affecting UX so they can put this on their map.
[09:14] <morphis> sturmflut2: hm
[09:14] <Stskeeps> morphis: btw, at least in our experience, simkit app would have to be a daemon
[09:14] <jgdx> sturmflut2, shortcut -> settings/cellular/sim_n/sim-toolkit
[09:14] <jgdx> ;)
[09:15] <morphis> Stskeeps: the ofono API doesn't abstract it enough?
[09:16] <Stskeeps> morphis: there's something foobar about it but i know we ended up having to have it running all the time
[09:16] <morphis> Stskeeps: interesting
[09:16] <morphis> Stskeeps: you have that service on github?
[09:17] <Stskeeps> morphis: let me see if i can find the meego thing we based it on..
[09:17] <sturmflut2> Stskeeps: Because the SIM Toolkit might have to react to background events, or because there might be D-Bus messages which might hang when the app is no longer focused?
[09:18] <Stskeeps> morphis: https://github.com/meego-tablet-ux/meego-app-satk
[09:19] <morphis> Stskeeps: that isn't in sailfish yet?
[09:20] <Stskeeps> morphis: we have reasonably good sim kit support
[09:20] <Stskeeps> morphis: it's based on that, but, currently closed source
[09:21] <Stskeeps> there was some good reason why we couldn't make it dbus activation
[09:21] <Stskeeps> but i can't recall it atm
[09:21] <morphis> Stskeeps: ok, good to know
[09:22] <morphis> sturmflut2: https://github.com/meego-tablet-ux/meego-app-satk might be a real good starting point
[09:22] <morphis> seems to include already a lot
[09:23] <morphis> Stskeeps: looks like STK supports several "notifications"
[09:23] <morphis> then it makes sense that you need something running all the time
[09:23] <Stskeeps> nod
[09:25] <morphis> sturmflut2: so if you want to go forward with this
[09:26] <sturmflut2> morphis: I always thought that these notifications were just direct responses to commands started by the user. Hm. Have to look into it. But thanks for the pointer to the Meego stuff
[09:26] <Stskeeps> a lot of other crap goes through STK in networks that actually uses it, it's almost terrifying :)
[09:27] <morphis> :D
[09:28] <morphis> sturmflut2: I think for a first iteration reusing the meego code, putting an ubuntu UI on top of it might be a real good step forward
[09:28] <sturmflut2> morphis: Jup
[09:30] <morphis> sturmflut2: hm, ofono only supports registering one agent for STK (which makes sense), so we have to push the notifications out a bit different
[09:30] <jgdx> sturmflut2, the bankid in Norway is a good example. It's always started remotely
[09:30] <morphis> sturmflut2: we could do that with a small plugin in ofono
[09:31] <morphis> which pushes out a notification which sends in turn launches the STK app or something else when needed
[09:43] <morphis> sturmflut2: if you need any further help feel free to ping me
[10:26] <sturmflut2> morphis, Stskeeps: If I plug a 3G USB modem with a SIM into my 15.10 desktop, will the ofono environment be comparable to the phone? The goal is to work on the SIM Toolkit UI without having to test on the phone all the time
[10:36] <jgdx> sturmflut2, you could check if ofono-phonesim supports this as well
[10:37] <morphis> sturmflut2: not sure
[10:37] <morphis> try it and look if the STK interface gets exposed by ofono
[10:49] <jgdx> oh man, dropped my mx4 on the ground and it got the *tiniest* crack in the screen
[10:49] <jgdx> now no input works
[10:51] <popey> yeah mine is similarly busted
[10:55] <tathhu> damnn
[10:56] <tathhu> i got small crack on my bq on top of the screen, put ubuntu sticker to hide it \o/
[11:10] <sturmflut2> jgdx: Looks like phonesim just exposes org.ofono.modem
[11:15] <jgdx> sturmflut2, nah, you got to enable and online the modem
[11:15] <jgdx> sturmflut2, it actually does expose sim toolkit
[11:17] <sturmflut2> jgdx: Hm, I enabled it, the GUI pops up and does things, then the GUI disappears and phonesim drops a "Failed to parse GSM xml file". I've used the /usr/share/phonesim/default.xml that comes with the package
[11:19] <jgdx> sturmflut2, you want to get this running now or are you just poking at it?
[11:39] <ogra_> dbarth_, could you take a look at my last comment on bug 1464249 ?
[11:39] <ubot5`> bug 1464249 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu WebView should not silently honour fullscreen requests" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464249
[12:02] <OerHeks> hi sturmflut2, long time no see!
[12:03] <sturmflut2> OerHeks: o/
[12:03] <sturmflut2> OerHeks: Didn't have the time to hang out on IRC much, yes :/
[12:04]  * svij didn't miss sturmflut2 :P
[12:05] <sturmflut2> svij: That's because you get the privilege to hang around with me all the time.
[12:08] <svij> "privilege" yes ;P
[12:16] <jgdx> davmor2, hey, do you have steps to repro for bug 1496773 ?
[12:17] <ubot5`> bug 1496773 in account-polld (Ubuntu) "account-polld tries hard to open a trust session and fails repeatedly" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496773
[12:26] <sturmflut2> jgdx: I got the Meego SATK app to build on my desktop, but the whole QML stuff relies on Meego components and I don't have an Ubuntu device with a SIM card handy. Will continue tomorrow or so.
[12:28] <dholbach> sturmflut2, svij, dpm: just a quick check: are we good to go with option 3 (re: t-shirts)?
[12:28] <dholbach> I thought coordinating on IRC might be a bit quicker
[12:32] <dpm> dholbach, it looks good to me, I chose that one as well as svij and sturmflut2 had both mentioned it looked ok to them
[12:37] <sturmflut2> dpm, dholbach: I'm okay with option 3
[12:38] <svij> dpm: dholbach: sturmflut2: great :)
[12:38] <davmor2> jgdx: this might of been fixed by other fixes for fd's in media-hub unity8 etc
[12:39] <davmor2> jgdx: the only way to reproduce is the steps in the bug basically wait for the phone to die took 8 days for my dogfood phone to start playing up
[12:42] <jgdx> davmor2, okay
[12:46] <dholbach> svij, sturmflut2, dpm: Kristine will complete the design and send the necessary files for a print today or first thing tomorrow morning
[12:46] <sturmflut2> dholbach: \o/
[12:47] <dpm> thanks a lot dholbach for taking care of it and chasing everyone
[12:47] <dpm> (including me)
[12:47] <dholbach> no worries
[12:47] <svij> dholbach: great, thx
[13:11] <matv1> jgdx fyi I just filed the bug we talked about this morning.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1505220
[13:11] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1505220 in Canonical System Image "multiple apps crashing at launch" [Undecided,New]
[13:12] <jgdx> matv1, thanks
[13:39] <zzarr> ogra_, does Ubuntu use touch on phones?
[13:39] <zzarr> ogra_, upps ignore that
[13:39] <zzarr> ogra_, does Ubuntu use pulseaudio on phones was I supposed to write
[13:40] <davmor2> zzarr: yes
[13:41] <zzarr> is it somehow possible to send sound between a computer and phone back and forth?
[13:43] <davmor2> zzarr: I assume if pulseaudio is capable of that and the relevant ports are open then it should be doable.
[13:44] <zzarr> I would really love if it was possible to remote control my phone from my computer
[13:45] <zzarr> both do things like writing sms's/mms's and make phonecalls
[13:45] <jgdx> mardy, howdy, could you take a look at my comment in https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/account-polld/lp1493733/+merge/270503 ?
[13:45] <zzarr> (desktop Ubuntu/phone Ubuntu)
[13:48] <mardy> jgdx: yep, saw it, I'll fix it immediately
[13:50] <jgdx> mardy, awesome, thanks.
[13:54] <mardy> jgdx: done, please let me know if now it's OK
[13:55] <mhall119> popey: is there a way to change the calendar notification sound?
[13:55] <jgdx> mardy, well, I was actually talking about the merge proposal's commit msg. It needs to describe the debian/ changes IIRC
[13:56] <mardy> jgdx: ah, I didn't know that :-)
[13:56] <Laney> j
[13:56] <mardy> jgdx: I'll change it. Can I keep the changelog changes?
[13:56] <jgdx> mardy, I'm not sure, actually.
[13:58] <mardy> jgdx: well, let's try to keep them (I sometimes do write changelogs manually), I guess it should be fine
[13:58] <mardy> jgdx: it may actually be that describing the changes in the MP is not required if a changelog is provided, but I'll do that too just to be sure
[13:59] <mardy> jgdx: BTW, do you know what is the trick that allows account-polld to run even when the device is sleeping?
[13:59] <jgdx> mardy, you're right.
[14:00] <jgdx> mardy, isn't that push-client's job?
[14:00] <zzarr> bye guys and girls
[14:00] <mardy> jgdx: maybe. So, as far as you know, account-polld is not doing anything special in that respect, right?
[14:02] <jgdx> mardy, no, it starts the bus and waits AFAIK.
[14:03] <jgdx> mardy, but there were situations in < OTA7 where push client would poke polld even though there were no network connection. Like a lot, over and over.
[14:22] <peat-psuwit> Could anyone have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-touch-meta/+bug/1460752
[14:22] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1460752 in ubuntu-touch-meta (Ubuntu RTM) "Can't read Thai character." [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:23] <ogra_> davmor2, do you happen to have a mako that runs the last stable image ?
[14:24] <ogra_> peat-psuwit, sil2100 maintains the seeds nowadays
[14:28] <peat-psuwit> sil2100: Could you please consider adding Thai font in Ubuntu Touch?
[14:38] <sil2100> peat-psuwit: hey!
[14:38] <sil2100> Let me take a look
[14:39] <sil2100> peat-psuwit: looks like a reasonable request
[14:47] <peat-psuwit> sil2100: Thank you!
[14:53] <real-eyes> greetings earthlings :)
[14:55] <real-eyes> i have a quick query ... can i run fluidsynth or qsynth on touch?
[14:55] <real-eyes> i want to hook up my midi keyboard and play live with a band
[14:57] <ogra_> you'd likely need to hack it to make that work
[14:57] <ogra_> sepcifically to make the MIDI kbd connect i guess
[14:57] <real-eyes> usb over adb?
[14:58] <ogra_> there is OTG support but i doubt there are any modules that would add midi stuff
[14:58] <ogra_> (neither on the sound level nor on the input level)
[15:04] <davmor2> ogra_: no
[15:19] <ogra_> davmor2, any other device running stable where you could try my G+ app and capture its log ?
[15:19] <davmor2> ogra_: yes
[15:20] <ogra_> (seemingly it fails to start on stable, i tried bumping everythng to the 15.04 framework but was probably to optimistic with the versions of the import statements)
[15:26] <davmor2> ogra_: was working for me this morning
[15:26] <ogra_> davmor2, i updated it since
[15:27] <ogra_> and while it works fine on rc-proposed i got reports from some people where it doesnt start at all anymore
[15:27] <davmor2> ogra_: let me  have a look if you broke it I will of course hunt you down ;)
[15:27] <ogra_> do that please !
[15:33] <davmor2> ogra_: you broke it I'm coming to get you ;) http://paste.ubuntu.com/12763946/
[15:33] <DanChapman> ogra_: "module "com.canonical.Oxide" version 1.9 is not installed" oxide version is too high. I know 1.4 works
[15:35] <ogra_> DanChapman, well, i'D like to know which one is "15.04 framework" :)
[15:36] <ogra_> we really need some table for these imports
[15:36] <ogra_> its a pain to dig up all the right versions if you have a bunch of import lines in your app
[15:37] <davmor2> ogra_: your mission should you accept it ......... this code will self destruct on release
[15:37] <ogra_> haha
[15:37] <DanChapman> totally agree with you on that. i don't even think that com.canonical.Oxide is documented anywhere which i really think it should be
[15:37] <ogra_> yep
[15:38] <ogra_> well, you can grok many bits of the Oxide API from looking at the webbrowser-app tree
[15:39] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ grep canonical.Oxide /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/Extras/Browser/UbuntuWebView02.qml
[15:39] <ogra_> import com.canonical.Oxide 1.9 as Oxide
[15:39] <ogra_> davmor2, what do you get on a stable image for this grep ?
[15:39] <ogra_> that should be the official 15.04 version i guess
[15:40] <davmor2> import com.canonical.Oxide 1.5 as Oxide
[15:40] <ogra_> ok
[15:40]  * ogra_ reverts to 1.5 then
[15:40] <ogra_> if the browser uses it it must be good :)
[15:40]  * DanChapman makes note
[17:17] <binar_> is there any current howto for porting ubuntu touch to a cyanogenmod-based sourcetree?
[17:24] <mariogrip> Just to narrow down things to debug, is it the android hal that taking care of switch from speaker to headphone when a headphone is plugged in? or alsa?
[17:24] <mariogrip> ogra_: ^
[17:27] <tathhu> can i use dd on my bq?
[17:28] <tathhu> */ubuntu touch
[17:35] <tathhu> nevermind might just be easier to boot up my laptop ::P
[17:42] <mariogrip> tathhu: Yeah, i think you can
[17:43] <tathhu> would've tried but e4.5.. = not enough space for snappy core for rpi =D
[17:44] <mariogrip> ah, well then :P
[17:55] <tathhu> eh uh
[17:56] <tathhu> using apt-get all the time..