| mapppp | Hi all | 02:58 |
|---|---|---|
| mapppp | Still no net at home :( | 02:58 |
| mapppp | Sucks big time | 02:58 |
| Guest33335 | morning all | 07:12 |
| === Guest33335 is now known as Moodoo | ||
| Moodoo | morning even | 07:13 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| bashrc | good moaning | 08:04 |
| Moodoo | moaning | 08:07 |
| diplo | Morning | 08:11 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 08:27 |
| Moodoo | morning mate | 08:30 |
| === richb8_ is now known as richb8 | ||
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy World Arthritis Day! 😃 | 09:01 |
| * zmoylan-pi winces at mention of arthritis... | 09:01 | |
| JamesTait | Though probably not if you suffer with arthritis. | 09:01 |
| davmor2 | more of a grimace when you suffer with it | 09:03 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:12 |
| bashrc | morning | 09:12 |
| brobostigon | morning bashrc | 09:14 |
| bashrc | I noticed LAS peddling Canonical rumours | 09:16 |
| === john-mca` is now known as john-mcaleely | ||
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| TwistedLucidity | bashrc: They were more playing a "What if..." game I think. | 09:35 |
| bashrc | probably | 09:36 |
| TwistedLucidity | The MS rumours were doing the rounds, seems reasonable enough to discuss. | 09:36 |
| bashrc | I was listening and thinking that I heard similar things years ago | 09:36 |
| zmoylan-pi | didn't ms undertake to never release a version of unix after they sold xenix? wouldn't linux count to a bunch of smart lawyers if they ever did release a version of linux? | 09:37 |
| Moodoo | haven't they already released one on their switches or what ever i read a few days ago | 09:41 |
| zmoylan-pi | but that's internal and not on the markt | 09:43 |
| foobarry | so... my number of terminals is out of control | 09:58 |
| foobarry | should i switch to terminator or other app? byobu? | 09:58 |
| foobarry | tmux? | 09:59 |
| awilkins | Byobu is just a skin on screen / tmux, no? | 10:00 |
| * zmoylan-pi likes tmux but it is the only multiplexor that i've used... | 10:00 | |
| JohnHunt | if you don't know tmux, get to know | 10:00 |
| JohnHunt | it's way nicer than screen | 10:00 |
| foobarry | so tmux > terminator? | 10:05 |
| JohnHunt | no | 10:06 |
| JohnHunt | it's not like terminator | 10:06 |
| JohnHunt | (if I remember what terminator is correctly) | 10:06 |
| JohnHunt | terminator is a normal client terminal app right? | 10:07 |
| diplo | Yep | 10:07 |
| JohnHunt | which can be split | 10:07 |
| diplo | Yep | 10:07 |
| diplo | I launch terminator and as I log into a client auto start byobu | 10:07 |
| JohnHunt | byobu looks a lot like tmu | 10:09 |
| JohnHunt | x | 10:09 |
| JohnHunt | *a lot* | 10:10 |
| JohnHunt | just some kind of config for it or something | 10:11 |
| popey | it _is_ tmux under the hood | 10:11 |
| popey | was screen, now tmux | 10:11 |
| JohnHunt | yeah, I was gonna say | 10:11 |
| JohnHunt | :p | 10:11 |
| awilkins | I use byobu wherever I want such a feature now | 10:12 |
| awilkins | Not having to learn funky escape sequences is fine by me | 10:13 |
| awilkins | I imagine you can do cool things like change the status line colour to something scary for production servers | 10:13 |
| davmor2 | foobarry: byobu is nice nested is a little | 10:16 |
| davmor2 | meh | 10:16 |
| JohnHunt | awilkins: I do that on tmux | 10:16 |
| JohnHunt | :set status-bg color123 | 10:16 |
| * foobarry old man brain is getting confused | 10:16 | |
| JohnHunt | though it's probably easlier on byobu | 10:17 |
| foobarry | i have lots of terminals that i need to conslolidate | 10:17 |
| foobarry | what should i do? | 10:17 |
| awilkins | The zealot devops line would be "Stop treating your servers as pets and start treating them like cattle!" | 10:18 |
| JohnHunt | lol | 10:18 |
| JohnHunt | conslolidate | 10:18 |
| JohnHunt | I've been doing too much sysadmin stuff recently | 10:18 |
| JohnHunt | gets a bit tiring | 10:19 |
| foobarry | anyone want a new job? | 10:19 |
| foobarry | have someinteresting roles | 10:19 |
| foobarry | one of them would be good for a techie leaning person who loves maths | 10:19 |
| JohnHunt | yeah if the pay is about 70k or more | 10:20 |
| JohnHunt | and I can work from st ives cambs | 10:20 |
| foobarry | nope | 10:20 |
| JohnHunt | ah | 10:20 |
| diplo | JohnHunt / foobarry : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NawuGmcvKus | 10:24 |
| diplo | Guy who wrote byobu | 10:24 |
| diplo | foobarry: I think I need to come down and visit and see this place of yours and make a decision of working away from home :) | 10:25 |
| foobarry | we haz 3 jobs | 10:26 |
| foobarry | actually 4: infrastructure dude, sysadmin, apps specialist (spend all day compiling packages and optimising them) and hpc queue guy | 10:27 |
| foobarry | so many ideal jobs | 10:27 |
| diplo | First two are pretty much what I do now | 10:27 |
| foobarry | imagine getting paid to compile and optimise apps | 10:27 |
| foobarry | that youtube vid broke my firefox :( | 10:28 |
| diplo | It was the Mozart! :D | 10:28 |
| foobarry | sysadmin needs to like nagios, puppet, and generally learning useful things and helping people make more awesomes | 10:31 |
| diplo | I use ansible but have looked at puppet, Nagios we use too.. | 10:31 |
| foobarry | maybe u should send me your cv to look at anyway | 10:32 |
| foobarry | where are u ? bristols? | 10:33 |
| diplo | Probably needs an update, but will do | 10:33 |
| Moodoo | jobs all around | 10:42 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| davmor2 | JamesTait: just read you northern in London at lunch nearly wet myself laughin :) | 13:14 |
| davmor2 | JamesTait: the best of it is you evil genius I'm down in London on Thursday :D | 13:14 |
| diddledan | julian assange can go walkabout at last: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34508500 | 13:22 |
| JamesTait | davmor2, it did make me chuckle. ☺ | 13:31 |
| Azelphur | well this is odd, I just got the customs bill for my monitors | 14:01 |
| Azelphur | they want £330 in VAT, the invoice is for $2207.60, which is £1438.23, 20% of which is £287.65 :S | 14:01 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: feel free to argue then | 14:02 |
| Azelphur | yea I just called and questioned it, they said they are going to look into it | 14:03 |
| Azelphur | on top of the £330, they are charging me £202.93 in "Duty" | 14:03 |
| Azelphur | I thought I only had to pay VAT to get it in | 14:03 |
| Azelphur | (So total bill of a whopping £546.82, or 38% of the total price of the invoice) | 14:04 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: hahahahahaha foolish mortal | 14:04 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: You didn't think you were going to get a bargain did you? | 14:04 |
| Azelphur | Dunno if anyone knows about this stuff / sounds right | 14:05 |
| Azelphur | well I figured I'd get charged 20% (£287.65) | 14:05 |
| mjayk | if $2207 is ex vat then £340 sounds about right for 20% | 14:05 |
| mjayk | ignore me | 14:05 |
| mjayk | im a tired moron | 14:05 |
| Azelphur | lol was gonna say, uwot :P | 14:05 |
| mjayk | lets forget im here again | 14:06 |
| davmor2 | Azelphur: https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty | 14:06 |
| Azelphur | apparently I can fill in a form if they charge me too much, so that's interesting | 14:06 |
| diddledan | does the inland revenue accept bitcoin? | 14:07 |
| Azelphur | lol | 14:07 |
| diddledan | err, that's an out-dated name.. I obv meant HMRC | 14:07 |
| * diddledan feels foolish now | 14:07 | |
| davmor2 | diddledan: why should today be different ;) | 14:08 |
| diddledan | davmor2: point well made | 14:08 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk | ||
| davmor2 | this made me smile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM | 15:15 |
| Azelphur | https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/3ogd7y/is_uk_customs_overcharging_me/cvwxyaq hmm this is interesting | 15:18 |
| Azelphur | can anyone find a page from HMRC that says that is correct? I'm having trouble finding one | 15:18 |
| intrbiz | Azelphur: VAT? | 15:21 |
| Azelphur | intrbiz: ? | 15:21 |
| davmor2 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ hahahahaha | 15:26 |
| Azelphur | yea, I really think Fedex are trying to rip me off here | 15:47 |
| Azelphur | Computer monitors are supposed to be duty free | 15:48 |
| diddledan | davmor2: lol, the spice girls part got my off guard | 15:48 |
| diddledan | me* | 15:49 |
| davmor2 | diddledan: :) | 15:49 |
| diddledan | lol, that's a really good video | 15:51 |
| diddledan | I'm worried about what the spice girls want to do to babies tho | 15:52 |
| davmor2 | diddledan: hahaha | 15:55 |
| davmor2 | diddledan: nearly as bad as spears | 15:56 |
| intrbiz | Azelphur: https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty | 16:02 |
| Azelphur | intrbiz: makes no mention of monitors | 16:02 |
| === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g | ||
| davmor2 | Azelphur: it say goods from no eu countries | 16:05 |
| davmor2 | non even | 16:05 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| diddledan | edward snowden is discovering he now possesses the power of slashdot effect | 16:47 |
| diddledan | https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/653612540572864512 | 16:47 |
| daftykins | i return! | 17:39 |
| daftykins | lol @ re-banned in #ubuntu over the weekend | 17:39 |
| directhex | urgh #ubuntu | 17:40 |
| daftykins | you suffered in there too, directhex ? | 17:41 |
| directhex | it's like #debian but polite | 17:41 |
| diddledan | who got banned? | 17:44 |
| diddledan | wb daftykins | 17:44 |
| daftykins | ty sir! i did. | 17:44 |
| diddledan | any explanation as to why? | 17:44 |
| daftykins | not for the second time | 17:44 |
| diddledan | bah. silly ops | 17:44 |
| diddledan | I swear they have a thing against your drive failure detection rate | 17:44 |
| daftykins | in fairness i did do wrong, but i did also follow procedure to get unbanned | 17:45 |
| daftykins | hahaha | 17:45 |
| daftykins | yeah they must just hate me for singing Another One Bites the Dust by Queen so often | 17:45 |
| diddledan | :-p | 17:45 |
| diddledan | canada is having turkey today - https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/653627474207723520 | 17:45 |
| daftykins | man i'm so glad i didn't buy that cheap ebay Dell XPS 13, they've released news of respinning them with Intel's skylake 6th gen CPUs now - and not only that but making them better with thunderbolt and USB C in for gigabit LAN and charging 8) | 17:46 |
| diddledan | ooh | 17:46 |
| diddledan | and there's a new windows insider build for PCs today | 17:47 |
| daftykins | ah ha, cheers - though i find installing those updates is the sole reason i boot that spare PC now XD | 17:48 |
| diddledan | lol | 17:48 |
| daftykins | i saw a Surface Pro 3 in Dixons Travel in the departure lounge of Gatwick Airport today as it goes | 17:48 |
| daftykins | very disappointed in them for how they only stock those and fugging Apple machines nowadays | 17:49 |
| diddledan | I'm interested in the surfacebook they announced on tuesday | 17:49 |
| daftykins | my main client always used to pick up the lovely Sony ultraportables from there | 17:49 |
| diddledan | I really must get around to watching max's furry driveway | 17:54 |
| daftykins | i keep getting told of that too | 17:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | i might have a wander and see the martian in the cinema... and not wait for dvd | 18:03 |
| daftykins | sounds good! i didn't get a chance in the end whilst away | 18:04 |
| daftykins | too many dinner parties were attended | 18:04 |
| daftykins | (suddenly feel my age saying that ;) ) | 18:04 |
| zmoylan-pi | just calm your nerves at your club with a glass of their finest port while reading the papers | 18:06 |
| daftykins | that's a good idea! | 18:07 |
| daftykins | so whilst away i advised on an SSD purchase, helped with a reinstall of win10... helped with a reinstall of xubuntu on an old low spec laptop - and also helped a university department IT staffer diagnose non-working LAN on a Linux laptop :) | 18:08 |
| daftykins | smug mode </Kryten> | 18:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | last time i was in hospital i repaired a mans glasses with swiss army knife, showed a doctor how to use electronic medical records system and how to use phone as ereader to a nurse... :-) | 18:09 |
| daftykins | :D | 18:12 |
| daftykins | that's the spirit | 18:12 |
| daftykins | diddledan: when are we gonna get our buddy shauno back? | 18:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | took my mind off the pain | 18:12 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 18:15 |
| diddledan | no idea :-( | 18:15 |
| diddledan | last time I was in hospital I had morphine - everything else was irrelevant | 18:16 |
| daftykins | :) | 18:16 |
| diddledan | least I assume it was morphine - some kind of anaesthetic anywho | 18:17 |
| daftykins | i was coherent enough to see a lad who works IT that i know and ask him why the free wifi sucked so hard | 18:17 |
| diddledan | coming round from an op I was | 18:17 |
| daftykins | wouldn't let me RDP home on a non-standard port, or IRC | 18:17 |
| diddledan | grr @ wifi | 18:17 |
| diddledan | dns tunnels bypass even idiotic sysadmins' restrictions :-p | 18:18 |
| daftykins | i never did play with one of those for pay-for or blocked wifi shenanigans | 18:18 |
| diddledan | alternatively if https is allowed you can try an sstp tunnel | 18:20 |
| diddledan | (sstp on port 443) | 18:21 |
| diddledan | that can sometimes be killed by the middleman doing weird transparent proxying of https tho :-( | 18:21 |
| diddledan | luckily most folk aren't doing that so all is good | 18:22 |
| diddledan | for the middleman to effectively do transparent https proxy they need some device that manages to create valid https certificates | 18:22 |
| diddledan | so most middlemen just say "port 443 is allowed" and leave it there | 18:23 |
| daftykins | found any phone apps doing that in a friendly package? | 18:23 |
| diddledan | hmm. I don't know what the coverage is for sstp on mobile devices :-/ | 18:24 |
| diddledan | apparently justin beiber is on the internet waving his wily werewolf | 18:30 |
| daftykins | some folk get way too excited about the new releases ;) | 18:30 |
| diddledan | lol | 18:30 |
| DJones | daftykins: Are you ok for a pm? | 18:31 |
| daftykins | DJones: sure | 18:32 |
| diddledan | dafty and DJ sitting in a tree.. | 18:49 |
| diddledan | :-p | 18:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | p m i n g... | 18:50 |
| daftykins | *whistle* | 18:50 |
| Moodoo | evening all | 21:19 |
| daftykins | heya | 21:20 |
| Moodoo | :) | 21:20 |
| Moodoo | just hanging about while laptop update to wily | 21:21 |
| daftykins | :D | 21:24 |
| Moodoo | either my internet connection sucks or gb.archive is being slow, 857kb/s sigh | 21:24 |
| daftykins | haha, that as a slow speed truly speaks of modern + 1st world times :) | 21:25 |
| daftykins | granted it's only single-digits megabit | 21:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | if everyone is updating now then speeds will suck | 21:25 |
| diddledan | do you mean kb or KB? | 21:25 |
| Moodoo | kB/s | 21:25 |
| zmoylan-pi | plus all those netflix users before midnight | 21:25 |
| Moodoo | i mean 23mins to download a gig, that's terrible ;) | 21:26 |
| diddledan | yes. my connection often reaches 15MB/s :-p | 21:26 |
| Moodoo | I'm also on a wi-fi connection although normally i get at least 1 or 2MB/s | 21:27 |
| Moodoo | virgin media are giving me a free upgrade in jan lol | 21:27 |
| zmoylan-pi | i must make a live distro of 15.10 to see how it goes on lenovo laptop... | 21:28 |
| daftykins | wily is only out when diddledan does the bot trigger and ubottu gets angry | 21:28 |
| diddledan | !isitoutyet | 21:28 |
| lubotu3` | Not yet! | 21:28 |
| diddledan | they fixed it :-p | 21:29 |
| Moodoo | pmsl beat me to it :D | 21:29 |
| zmoylan-pi | i thought wily was out when acme delivered the roller skates and rocket powered jetpack? | 21:29 |
| Moodoo | for now though - http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ | 21:29 |
| daftykins | :) | 21:29 |
| Moodoo | wow not used that one in a while :d | 21:29 |
| daftykins | nn folks, early one for me \o | 21:39 |
| Moodoo | nn | 21:40 |
| zmoylan-pi | o/ | 21:40 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
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