[02:58] Hi all [02:58] Still no net at home :( [02:58] Sucks big time [07:12] morning all === Guest33335 is now known as Moodoo [07:13] morning even === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [08:04] good moaning [08:07] moaning [08:11] Morning [08:27] Morning all [08:30] morning mate === richb8_ is now known as richb8 [09:01] Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy World Arthritis Day! 😃 [09:01] * zmoylan-pi winces at mention of arthritis... [09:01] Though probably not if you suffer with arthritis. [09:03] more of a grimace when you suffer with it [09:12] morning boys and girls. [09:12] morning [09:14] morning bashrc [09:16] I noticed LAS peddling Canonical rumours === john-mca` is now known as john-mcaleely === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [09:35] bashrc: They were more playing a "What if..." game I think. [09:36] probably [09:36] The MS rumours were doing the rounds, seems reasonable enough to discuss. [09:36] I was listening and thinking that I heard similar things years ago [09:37] didn't ms undertake to never release a version of unix after they sold xenix? wouldn't linux count to a bunch of smart lawyers if they ever did release a version of linux? [09:41] haven't they already released one on their switches or what ever i read a few days ago [09:43] but that's internal and not on the markt [09:58] so... my number of terminals is out of control [09:58] should i switch to terminator or other app? byobu? [09:59] tmux? [10:00] Byobu is just a skin on screen / tmux, no? [10:00] * zmoylan-pi likes tmux but it is the only multiplexor that i've used... [10:00] if you don't know tmux, get to know [10:00] it's way nicer than screen [10:05] so tmux > terminator? [10:06] no [10:06] it's not like terminator [10:06] (if I remember what terminator is correctly) [10:07] terminator is a normal client terminal app right? [10:07] Yep [10:07] which can be split [10:07] Yep [10:07] I launch terminator and as I log into a client auto start byobu [10:09] byobu looks a lot like tmu [10:09] x [10:10] *a lot* [10:11] just some kind of config for it or something [10:11] it _is_ tmux under the hood [10:11] was screen, now tmux [10:11] yeah, I was gonna say [10:11] :p [10:12] I use byobu wherever I want such a feature now [10:13] Not having to learn funky escape sequences is fine by me [10:13] I imagine you can do cool things like change the status line colour to something scary for production servers [10:16] foobarry: byobu is nice nested is a little [10:16] meh [10:16] awilkins: I do that on tmux [10:16] :set status-bg color123 [10:16] * foobarry old man brain is getting confused [10:17] though it's probably easlier on byobu [10:17] i have lots of terminals that i need to conslolidate [10:17] what should i do? [10:18] The zealot devops line would be "Stop treating your servers as pets and start treating them like cattle!" [10:18] lol [10:18] conslolidate [10:18] I've been doing too much sysadmin stuff recently [10:19] gets a bit tiring [10:19] anyone want a new job? [10:19] have someinteresting roles [10:19] one of them would be good for a techie leaning person who loves maths [10:20] yeah if the pay is about 70k or more [10:20] and I can work from st ives cambs [10:20] nope [10:20] ah [10:24] JohnHunt / foobarry : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NawuGmcvKus [10:24] Guy who wrote byobu [10:25] foobarry: I think I need to come down and visit and see this place of yours and make a decision of working away from home :) [10:26] we haz 3 jobs [10:27] actually 4: infrastructure dude, sysadmin, apps specialist (spend all day compiling packages and optimising them) and hpc queue guy [10:27] so many ideal jobs [10:27] First two are pretty much what I do now [10:27] imagine getting paid to compile and optimise apps [10:28] that youtube vid broke my firefox :( [10:28] It was the Mozart! :D [10:31] sysadmin needs to like nagios, puppet, and generally learning useful things and helping people make more awesomes [10:31] I use ansible but have looked at puppet, Nagios we use too.. [10:32] maybe u should send me your cv to look at anyway [10:33] where are u ? bristols? [10:33] Probably needs an update, but will do [10:42] jobs all around === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:14] JamesTait: just read you northern in London at lunch nearly wet myself laughin :) [13:14] JamesTait: the best of it is you evil genius I'm down in London on Thursday :D [13:22] julian assange can go walkabout at last: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34508500 [13:31] davmor2, it did make me chuckle. ☺ [14:01] well this is odd, I just got the customs bill for my monitors [14:01] they want £330 in VAT, the invoice is for $2207.60, which is £1438.23, 20% of which is £287.65 :S [14:02] Azelphur: feel free to argue then [14:03] yea I just called and questioned it, they said they are going to look into it [14:03] on top of the £330, they are charging me £202.93 in "Duty" [14:03] I thought I only had to pay VAT to get it in [14:04] (So total bill of a whopping £546.82, or 38% of the total price of the invoice) [14:04] Azelphur: hahahahahaha foolish mortal [14:04] Azelphur: You didn't think you were going to get a bargain did you? [14:05] Dunno if anyone knows about this stuff / sounds right [14:05] well I figured I'd get charged 20% (£287.65) [14:05] if $2207 is ex vat then £340 sounds about right for 20% [14:05] ignore me [14:05] im a tired moron [14:05] lol was gonna say, uwot :P [14:06] lets forget im here again [14:06] Azelphur: https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty [14:06] apparently I can fill in a form if they charge me too much, so that's interesting [14:07] does the inland revenue accept bitcoin? [14:07] lol [14:07] err, that's an out-dated name.. I obv meant HMRC [14:07] * diddledan feels foolish now [14:08] diddledan: why should today be different ;) [14:08] davmor2: point well made === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [15:15] this made me smile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM [15:18] https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/3ogd7y/is_uk_customs_overcharging_me/cvwxyaq hmm this is interesting [15:18] can anyone find a page from HMRC that says that is correct? I'm having trouble finding one [15:21] Azelphur: VAT? [15:21] intrbiz: ? [15:26] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ hahahahaha [15:47] yea, I really think Fedex are trying to rip me off here [15:48] Computer monitors are supposed to be duty free [15:48] davmor2: lol, the spice girls part got my off guard [15:49] me* [15:49] diddledan: :) [15:51] lol, that's a really good video [15:52] I'm worried about what the spice girls want to do to babies tho [15:55] diddledan: hahaha [15:56] diddledan: nearly as bad as spears [16:02] Azelphur: https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty [16:02] intrbiz: makes no mention of monitors === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [16:05] Azelphur: it say goods from no eu countries [16:05] non even === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:47] edward snowden is discovering he now possesses the power of slashdot effect [16:47] https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/653612540572864512 [17:39] i return! [17:39] lol @ re-banned in #ubuntu over the weekend [17:40] urgh #ubuntu [17:41] you suffered in there too, directhex ? [17:41] it's like #debian but polite [17:44] who got banned? [17:44] wb daftykins [17:44] ty sir! i did. [17:44] any explanation as to why? [17:44] not for the second time [17:44] bah. silly ops [17:44] I swear they have a thing against your drive failure detection rate [17:45] in fairness i did do wrong, but i did also follow procedure to get unbanned [17:45] hahaha [17:45] yeah they must just hate me for singing Another One Bites the Dust by Queen so often [17:45] :-p [17:45] canada is having turkey today - https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/653627474207723520 [17:46] man i'm so glad i didn't buy that cheap ebay Dell XPS 13, they've released news of respinning them with Intel's skylake 6th gen CPUs now - and not only that but making them better with thunderbolt and USB C in for gigabit LAN and charging 8) [17:46] ooh [17:47] and there's a new windows insider build for PCs today [17:48] ah ha, cheers - though i find installing those updates is the sole reason i boot that spare PC now XD [17:48] lol [17:48] i saw a Surface Pro 3 in Dixons Travel in the departure lounge of Gatwick Airport today as it goes [17:49] very disappointed in them for how they only stock those and fugging Apple machines nowadays [17:49] I'm interested in the surfacebook they announced on tuesday [17:49] my main client always used to pick up the lovely Sony ultraportables from there [17:54] I really must get around to watching max's furry driveway [17:55] i keep getting told of that too [18:03] i might have a wander and see the martian in the cinema... and not wait for dvd [18:04] sounds good! i didn't get a chance in the end whilst away [18:04] too many dinner parties were attended [18:04] (suddenly feel my age saying that ;) ) [18:06] just calm your nerves at your club with a glass of their finest port while reading the papers [18:07] that's a good idea! [18:08] so whilst away i advised on an SSD purchase, helped with a reinstall of win10... helped with a reinstall of xubuntu on an old low spec laptop - and also helped a university department IT staffer diagnose non-working LAN on a Linux laptop :) [18:08] smug mode [18:09] last time i was in hospital i repaired a mans glasses with swiss army knife, showed a doctor how to use electronic medical records system and how to use phone as ereader to a nurse... :-) [18:12] :D [18:12] that's the spirit [18:12] diddledan: when are we gonna get our buddy shauno back? [18:12] took my mind off the pain [18:15] *nod* [18:15] no idea :-( [18:16] last time I was in hospital I had morphine - everything else was irrelevant [18:16] :) [18:17] least I assume it was morphine - some kind of anaesthetic anywho [18:17] i was coherent enough to see a lad who works IT that i know and ask him why the free wifi sucked so hard [18:17] coming round from an op I was [18:17] wouldn't let me RDP home on a non-standard port, or IRC [18:17] grr @ wifi [18:18] dns tunnels bypass even idiotic sysadmins' restrictions :-p [18:18] i never did play with one of those for pay-for or blocked wifi shenanigans [18:20] alternatively if https is allowed you can try an sstp tunnel [18:21] (sstp on port 443) [18:21] that can sometimes be killed by the middleman doing weird transparent proxying of https tho :-( [18:22] luckily most folk aren't doing that so all is good [18:22] for the middleman to effectively do transparent https proxy they need some device that manages to create valid https certificates [18:23] so most middlemen just say "port 443 is allowed" and leave it there [18:23] found any phone apps doing that in a friendly package? [18:24] hmm. I don't know what the coverage is for sstp on mobile devices :-/ [18:30] apparently justin beiber is on the internet waving his wily werewolf [18:30] some folk get way too excited about the new releases ;) [18:30] lol [18:31] daftykins: Are you ok for a pm? [18:32] DJones: sure [18:49] dafty and DJ sitting in a tree.. [18:49] :-p [18:50] p m i n g... [18:50] *whistle* [21:19] evening all [21:20] heya [21:20] :) [21:21] just hanging about while laptop update to wily [21:24] :D [21:24] either my internet connection sucks or gb.archive is being slow, 857kb/s sigh [21:25] haha, that as a slow speed truly speaks of modern + 1st world times :) [21:25] granted it's only single-digits megabit [21:25] if everyone is updating now then speeds will suck [21:25] do you mean kb or KB? [21:25] kB/s [21:25] plus all those netflix users before midnight [21:26] i mean 23mins to download a gig, that's terrible ;) [21:26] yes. my connection often reaches 15MB/s :-p [21:27] I'm also on a wi-fi connection although normally i get at least 1 or 2MB/s [21:27] virgin media are giving me a free upgrade in jan lol [21:28] i must make a live distro of 15.10 to see how it goes on lenovo laptop... [21:28] wily is only out when diddledan does the bot trigger and ubottu gets angry [21:28] !isitoutyet [21:28] Not yet! [21:29] they fixed it :-p [21:29] pmsl beat me to it :D [21:29] i thought wily was out when acme delivered the roller skates and rocket powered jetpack? [21:29] for now though - http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ [21:29] :) [21:29] wow not used that one in a while :d [21:39] nn folks, early one for me \o [21:40] nn [21:40] o/ === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away