[02:58] <mapppp> Hi all
[02:58] <mapppp> Still no net at home :(
[02:58] <mapppp> Sucks big time
[07:12] <Guest33335> morning all
[07:13] <Moodoo> morning even
[08:04] <bashrc> good moaning
[08:07] <Moodoo> moaning
[08:11] <diplo> Morning
[08:27] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:30] <Moodoo> morning mate
[09:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy World Arthritis Day! 😃
[09:01]  * zmoylan-pi winces at mention of arthritis...
[09:01] <JamesTait> Though probably not if you suffer with arthritis.
[09:03] <davmor2> more of a grimace when you suffer with it
[09:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:12] <bashrc> morning
[09:14] <brobostigon> morning bashrc
[09:16] <bashrc> I noticed LAS peddling Canonical rumours
[09:35] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc: They were more playing a "What if..." game I think.
[09:36] <bashrc> probably
[09:36] <TwistedLucidity> The MS rumours were doing the rounds, seems reasonable enough to discuss.
[09:36] <bashrc> I was listening and thinking that I heard similar things years ago
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> didn't ms undertake to never release a version of unix after they sold xenix?  wouldn't linux count to a bunch of smart lawyers if they ever did release a version of linux?
[09:41] <Moodoo> haven't they already released one on their switches or what ever i read a few days ago
[09:43] <zmoylan-pi> but that's internal and not on the markt
[09:58] <foobarry> so... my number of terminals is out of control
[09:58] <foobarry> should i switch to terminator or other app? byobu?
[09:59] <foobarry> tmux?
[10:00] <awilkins> Byobu is just a skin on screen / tmux, no?
[10:00]  * zmoylan-pi likes tmux but it is the only multiplexor that i've used...
[10:00] <JohnHunt> if you don't know tmux, get to know
[10:00] <JohnHunt> it's way nicer than screen
[10:05] <foobarry> so tmux > terminator?
[10:06] <JohnHunt> no
[10:06] <JohnHunt> it's not like terminator
[10:06] <JohnHunt> (if I remember what terminator is correctly)
[10:07] <JohnHunt> terminator is a normal client terminal app right?
[10:07] <diplo> Yep
[10:07] <JohnHunt> which can be split
[10:07] <diplo> Yep
[10:07] <diplo> I launch terminator and as I log into a client auto start byobu
[10:09] <JohnHunt> byobu looks a lot like tmu
[10:09] <JohnHunt> x
[10:10] <JohnHunt> *a lot*
[10:11] <JohnHunt> just some kind of config for it or something
[10:11] <popey> it _is_ tmux under the hood
[10:11] <popey> was screen, now tmux
[10:11] <JohnHunt> yeah, I was gonna say
[10:11] <JohnHunt> :p
[10:12] <awilkins> I use byobu wherever I want such a feature now
[10:13] <awilkins> Not having to learn funky escape sequences is fine by me
[10:13] <awilkins> I imagine you can do cool things like change the status line colour to something scary for production servers
[10:16] <davmor2> foobarry: byobu is nice nested is a little
[10:16] <davmor2> meh
[10:16] <JohnHunt> awilkins: I do that on tmux
[10:16] <JohnHunt> :set status-bg color123
[10:16]  * foobarry old man brain is getting confused
[10:17] <JohnHunt> though it's probably easlier on byobu
[10:17] <foobarry> i have lots of terminals that i need to conslolidate
[10:17] <foobarry> what should i do?
[10:18] <awilkins> The zealot devops line would be "Stop treating your servers as pets and start treating them like cattle!"
[10:18] <JohnHunt> lol
[10:18] <JohnHunt> conslolidate
[10:18] <JohnHunt> I've been doing too much sysadmin stuff recently
[10:19] <JohnHunt> gets a bit tiring
[10:19] <foobarry> anyone want a new job?
[10:19] <foobarry> have someinteresting roles
[10:19] <foobarry> one of them would be good for a techie leaning person who loves maths
[10:20] <JohnHunt> yeah if the pay is about 70k or more
[10:20] <JohnHunt> and I can work from st ives cambs
[10:20] <foobarry> nope
[10:20] <JohnHunt> ah
[10:24] <diplo> JohnHunt / foobarry : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NawuGmcvKus
[10:24] <diplo> Guy who wrote byobu
[10:25] <diplo> foobarry: I think I need to come down and visit and see this place of yours and make a decision of working away from home :)
[10:26] <foobarry> we haz 3 jobs
[10:27] <foobarry> actually 4: infrastructure dude, sysadmin, apps specialist (spend all day compiling packages and optimising them) and hpc queue guy
[10:27] <foobarry> so many ideal jobs
[10:27] <diplo> First two are pretty much what I do now
[10:27] <foobarry> imagine getting paid to compile and optimise apps
[10:28] <foobarry> that youtube vid broke my firefox :(
[10:28] <diplo> It was the Mozart! :D
[10:31] <foobarry> sysadmin needs to like nagios, puppet, and generally learning useful things and helping people make more awesomes
[10:31] <diplo> I use ansible but have looked at puppet, Nagios we use too..
[10:32] <foobarry> maybe u should send me your cv to look at anyway
[10:33] <foobarry> where are u ? bristols?
[10:33] <diplo> Probably needs an update, but will do
[10:42] <Moodoo> jobs all around
[13:14] <davmor2> JamesTait: just read you northern in London at lunch nearly wet myself laughin :)
[13:14] <davmor2> JamesTait: the best of it is you evil genius I'm down in London on Thursday :D
[13:22] <diddledan> julian assange can go walkabout at last: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34508500
[13:31] <JamesTait> davmor2, it did make me chuckle. ☺
[14:01] <Azelphur> well this is odd, I just got the customs bill for my monitors
[14:01] <Azelphur> they want £330 in VAT, the invoice is for $2207.60, which is £1438.23, 20% of which is £287.65 :S
[14:02] <davmor2> Azelphur: feel free to argue then
[14:03] <Azelphur> yea I just called and questioned it, they said they are going to look into it
[14:03] <Azelphur> on top of the £330, they are charging me £202.93 in "Duty"
[14:03] <Azelphur> I thought I only had to pay VAT to get it in
[14:04] <Azelphur> (So total bill of a whopping £546.82, or 38% of the total price of the invoice)
[14:04] <davmor2> Azelphur: hahahahahaha foolish mortal
[14:04] <davmor2> Azelphur: You didn't think you were going to get a bargain did you?
[14:05] <Azelphur> Dunno if anyone knows about this stuff / sounds right
[14:05] <Azelphur> well I figured I'd get charged 20% (£287.65)
[14:05] <mjayk> if $2207 is ex vat then £340 sounds about right for 20%
[14:05] <mjayk> ignore me
[14:05] <mjayk> im a tired moron
[14:05] <Azelphur> lol was gonna say, uwot :P
[14:06] <mjayk> lets forget im here again
[14:06] <davmor2> Azelphur: https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty
[14:06] <Azelphur> apparently I can fill in a form if they charge me too much, so that's interesting
[14:07] <diddledan> does the inland revenue accept bitcoin?
[14:07] <Azelphur> lol
[14:07] <diddledan> err, that's an out-dated name.. I obv meant HMRC
[14:07]  * diddledan feels foolish now
[14:08] <davmor2> diddledan: why should today be different ;)
[14:08] <diddledan> davmor2: point well made
[15:15] <davmor2> this made me smile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM
[15:18] <Azelphur> https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/3ogd7y/is_uk_customs_overcharging_me/cvwxyaq hmm this is interesting
[15:18] <Azelphur> can anyone find a page from HMRC that says that is correct? I'm having trouble finding one
[15:21] <intrbiz> Azelphur: VAT?
[15:21] <Azelphur> intrbiz: ?
[15:26] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ hahahahaha
[15:47] <Azelphur> yea, I really think Fedex are trying to rip me off here
[15:48] <Azelphur> Computer monitors are supposed to be duty free
[15:48] <diddledan> davmor2: lol, the spice girls part got my off guard
[15:49] <diddledan> me*
[15:49] <davmor2> diddledan: :)
[15:51] <diddledan> lol, that's a really good video
[15:52] <diddledan> I'm worried about what the spice girls want to do to babies tho
[15:55] <davmor2> diddledan: hahaha
[15:56] <davmor2> diddledan: nearly as bad as spears
[16:02] <intrbiz> Azelphur: https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty
[16:02] <Azelphur> intrbiz: makes no mention of monitors
[16:05] <davmor2> Azelphur: it say goods from no eu countries
[16:05] <davmor2> non even
[16:47] <diddledan> edward snowden is discovering he now possesses the power of slashdot effect
[16:47] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/653612540572864512
[17:39] <daftykins> i return!
[17:39] <daftykins> lol @ re-banned in #ubuntu over the weekend
[17:40] <directhex> urgh #ubuntu
[17:41] <daftykins> you suffered in there too, directhex ?
[17:41] <directhex> it's like #debian but polite
[17:44] <diddledan> who got banned?
[17:44] <diddledan> wb daftykins
[17:44] <daftykins> ty sir! i did.
[17:44] <diddledan> any explanation as to why?
[17:44] <daftykins> not for the second time
[17:44] <diddledan> bah. silly ops
[17:44] <diddledan> I swear they have a thing against your drive failure detection rate
[17:45] <daftykins> in fairness i did do wrong, but i did also follow procedure to get unbanned
[17:45] <daftykins> hahaha
[17:45] <daftykins> yeah they must just hate me for singing Another One Bites the Dust by Queen so often
[17:45] <diddledan> :-p
[17:45] <diddledan> canada is having turkey today - https://twitter.com/EmrgencyKittens/status/653627474207723520
[17:46] <daftykins> man i'm so glad i didn't buy that cheap ebay Dell XPS 13, they've released news of respinning them with Intel's skylake 6th gen CPUs now - and not only that but making them better with thunderbolt and USB C in for gigabit LAN and charging 8)
[17:46] <diddledan> ooh
[17:47] <diddledan> and there's a new windows insider build for PCs today
[17:48] <daftykins> ah ha, cheers - though i find installing those updates is the sole reason i boot that spare PC now XD
[17:48] <diddledan> lol
[17:48] <daftykins> i saw a Surface Pro 3 in Dixons Travel in the departure lounge of Gatwick Airport today as it goes
[17:49] <daftykins> very disappointed in them for how they only stock those and fugging Apple machines nowadays
[17:49] <diddledan> I'm interested in the surfacebook they announced on tuesday
[17:49] <daftykins> my main client always used to pick up the lovely Sony ultraportables from there
[17:54] <diddledan> I really must get around to watching max's furry driveway
[17:55] <daftykins> i keep getting told of that too
[18:03] <zmoylan-pi> i might have a wander and see the martian in the cinema... and not wait for dvd
[18:04] <daftykins> sounds good! i didn't get a chance in the end whilst away
[18:04] <daftykins> too many dinner parties were attended
[18:04] <daftykins> (suddenly feel my age saying that ;) )
[18:06] <zmoylan-pi> just calm your nerves at your club with a glass of their finest port while reading the papers
[18:07] <daftykins> that's a good idea!
[18:08] <daftykins> so whilst away i advised on an SSD purchase, helped with a reinstall of win10... helped with a reinstall of xubuntu on an old low spec laptop - and also helped a university department IT staffer diagnose non-working LAN on a Linux laptop :)
[18:08] <daftykins> smug mode </Kryten>
[18:09] <zmoylan-pi> last time i was in hospital i repaired a mans glasses with swiss army knife, showed a doctor how to use electronic medical records system and how to use phone as ereader to a nurse... :-)
[18:12] <daftykins> :D
[18:12] <daftykins> that's the spirit
[18:12] <daftykins> diddledan: when are we gonna get our buddy shauno back?
[18:12] <zmoylan-pi> took my mind off the pain
[18:15] <daftykins> *nod*
[18:15] <diddledan> no idea :-(
[18:16] <diddledan> last time I was in hospital I had morphine - everything else was irrelevant
[18:16] <daftykins> :)
[18:17] <diddledan> least I assume it was morphine - some kind of anaesthetic anywho
[18:17] <daftykins> i was coherent enough to see a lad who works IT that i know and ask him why the free wifi sucked so hard
[18:17] <diddledan> coming round from an op I was
[18:17] <daftykins> wouldn't let me RDP home on a non-standard port, or IRC
[18:17] <diddledan> grr @ wifi
[18:18] <diddledan> dns tunnels bypass even idiotic sysadmins' restrictions :-p
[18:18] <daftykins> i never did play with one of those for pay-for or blocked wifi shenanigans
[18:20] <diddledan> alternatively if https is allowed you can try an sstp tunnel
[18:21] <diddledan> (sstp on port 443)
[18:21] <diddledan> that can sometimes be killed by the middleman doing weird transparent proxying of https tho :-(
[18:22] <diddledan> luckily most folk aren't doing that so all is good
[18:22] <diddledan> for the middleman to effectively do transparent https proxy they need some device that manages to create valid https certificates
[18:23] <diddledan> so most middlemen just say "port 443 is allowed" and leave it there
[18:23] <daftykins> found any phone apps doing that in a friendly package?
[18:24] <diddledan> hmm. I don't know what the coverage is for sstp on mobile devices :-/
[18:30] <diddledan> apparently justin beiber is on the internet waving his wily werewolf
[18:30] <daftykins> some folk get way too excited about the new releases ;)
[18:30] <diddledan> lol
[18:31] <DJones> daftykins: Are you ok for a pm?
[18:32] <daftykins> DJones: sure
[18:49] <diddledan> dafty and DJ sitting in a tree..
[18:49] <diddledan> :-p
[18:50] <zmoylan-pi> p m i n g...
[18:50] <daftykins> *whistle*
[21:19] <Moodoo> evening all
[21:20] <daftykins> heya
[21:20] <Moodoo> :)
[21:21] <Moodoo> just hanging about while laptop update to wily
[21:24] <daftykins> :D
[21:24] <Moodoo> either my internet connection sucks or gb.archive is being slow, 857kb/s sigh
[21:25] <daftykins> haha, that as a slow speed truly speaks of modern + 1st world times :)
[21:25] <daftykins> granted it's only single-digits megabit
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> if everyone is updating now then speeds will suck
[21:25] <diddledan> do you mean kb or KB?
[21:25] <Moodoo> kB/s
[21:25] <zmoylan-pi> plus all those netflix users before midnight
[21:26] <Moodoo> i mean 23mins to download a gig, that's terrible ;)
[21:26] <diddledan> yes. my connection often reaches 15MB/s :-p
[21:27] <Moodoo> I'm also on a wi-fi connection although normally i get at least 1 or 2MB/s
[21:27] <Moodoo> virgin media are giving me a free upgrade in jan lol
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> i must make a live distro of 15.10 to see how it goes on lenovo laptop...
[21:28] <daftykins> wily is only out when diddledan does the bot trigger and ubottu gets angry
[21:28] <diddledan> !isitoutyet
[21:28] <lubotu3`> Not yet!
[21:29] <diddledan> they fixed it :-p
[21:29] <Moodoo> pmsl beat me to it :D
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> i thought wily was out when acme delivered the roller skates and rocket powered jetpack?
[21:29] <Moodoo> for now though - http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[21:29] <daftykins> :)
[21:29] <Moodoo> wow not used that one in a while :d
[21:39] <daftykins> nn folks, early one for me \o
[21:40] <Moodoo> nn
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> o/