[09:19] <xubuntu53w> Hello! I'm having trouble with my laptop, after I log in the desktop doesn't load and I can't figure out how to open a terminal. Can anyone help?
[13:41] <jilocasin0> morning all
[13:42] <jilocasin0> does anyone know how I can fix the bright white screen on screen lock?
[13:42] <jilocasin0> (xubuntu 15.04 iMac)
[14:02] <Spider> are you booting from a cd or usb or have you already installed it to your HD?
[14:02] <Spider> i assume you can't get it to boot at all.
[14:05] <knome> jilocasin0, fwiw, macs aren't officially supported
[14:10] <jilocasin0> already installed, working just fine with the exception of lock screen causes both screens to glow bright white and login mirrored across displays.
[14:13] <jilocasin0> Spider: needed to install El Captian, which updated the firmware and used the standard Xubuntu 15.04 x64 install disk. Option to get to the boot screen to choose the EFI (not windows) disk image (it displays 2 when it detects them).  The only other issue was to turn off Apple's new 'rootless' mode with it's EFI protection.
[14:14] <jilocasin0> Spider: I'm typing this from the Xubuntu session.
[14:14] <jilocasin0> Spider: Unlike Kubuntu, Xubuntu seemed to handle the UEFI just fine (or at least the install disk).
[14:15] <Spider> hmm
[14:15] <jilocasin0> I've been googling the white lock screen, and it seems to have been a problem for various people bavck since the 14.x series.
[14:16] <jilocasin0> Spider: the few pages that offered links to a proported fix (updated developer launchpad sites) all return errors at this point.
[14:17] <Spider> i see
[14:17] <jilocasin0> Hence my inquiry here.
[14:18] <jilocasin0> Spider: I can't just remove light-dm as that will remove Xubuntu core and a bunch of other fairly critical components.
[14:18] <knome> jilocasin0, xubuntu-core is a metapackage, you can safely remove that
[14:19] <jilocasin0> Do you know of a setting to be tweaked, or a replacement package?
[14:20] <knome> replacement for what?
[14:20] <jilocasin0> the screen blank/lock program?
[14:20] <Spider> your running light locker right?
[14:21] <jilocasin0> I believe so
[14:21] <Spider> have you cjecked settingsd
[14:21] <Spider> sorry
[14:21] <Spider> checked settings?
[14:21] <jilocasin0> Spider: which?
[14:21] <Spider> light locker settings?
[14:22] <Spider> light locker replaced xscreensaver
[14:23] <jilocasin0> Locking: ENable Light-locker: On, AUtomatically lock the session = Never, Delay locking after screensaver for = 1 sec, Lock on suspend = off
[14:24] <Spider> is xscreensaver on that machine
[14:24] <Spider> you could try removing it
[14:25] <jilocasin0> Spider: Nope it isn't.
[14:27] <Spider> or try installing it?
[14:28] <jilocasin0> Spider: Installing now.
[14:28] <Spider> there quite a few bugs centered around lock and power managment it seems with xubuntu
[14:29] <Spider> just looking at all the stuff on launchpad
[14:29] <knome> some of it is related to driver stuff but people think it's the locking.
[14:30] <jilocasin0> Spider: It seems to be.  My Dell at dome (i5,  Nvidia, 16GB Ram) occationally flashes to white from the lockscreen, but it usually clears itself after a few seconds and never sits at bright white like the iMac does.
[14:31] <Spider> makes sense i know i have had similar display issues because of driver issues related to my nvidia card
[14:32] <Spider> you would think something like this would be trivial
[14:33] <Spider> i have experienced these types of things on other distros so it seems to be driver/kernel related
[14:33] <jilocasin0> Spider: you would think.  At this point I think simply having a "blank the screen and present the login dialog" would be a nice workaround to fallback to in situations like this.
[14:34] <knome> jilocasin0, patches are welcome...
[14:34] <jilocasin0> Now light locker says my screensaver settings are managed by XFce Power Manager.
[14:34] <Spider> ah ha
[14:34] <jilocasin0> knome: I 've heard that before ;P
[14:35] <a1fa> i have a mouse acceleration with mouse locker
[14:35] <jilocasin0> Spider: After it finished installing xscreensaver.
[14:35] <a1fa> mouse acceleration problem
[14:35] <a1fa> i'm running a startup script to slow down the mouse /disable mouse acceleration/
[14:35] <jilocasin0> knome: C right?  Any particular flavor?
[14:35] <a1fa> its reverted on locker
[14:37] <knome> jilocasin0, https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker
[14:38] <knome> *if* it is a light-locker problem, that is
[14:39] <Spider>  jilocasin0 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1101982
[14:39] <Spider> may be related
[14:39] <jilocasin0> Spider: when I cntrl-alt-del still get max brightness white, both screens.  Mouse click = mirrored login prompts (display NOT mirrored) and the default back ground.
[14:40] <mohan_> hi friends my terminal not showing hello world output for java
[14:40] <mohan_> there is no errors or warning messages too
[14:40] <jilocasin0> spider: I would actually prefer THAT bug.
[14:41] <bazhang> ##java mohan_
[14:41] <mohan_> yes
[14:41] <bazhang> thats a channel
[14:41] <mohan_> am new to linux itself
[14:41] <bazhang>  /join ##java
[14:41] <mohan_> ok
[14:42] <Spider> jilocasin0: well i guess you have been down the list on launchpad then
[14:47] <jilocasin0> Spider: Yep, just went back over them.... mostly permissions, security bugs listed.
[14:48] <jilocasin0> Spider: at this point, just having the ability to turn off the monitor would do (iMac doesn't have a monitor switch).
[14:50] <Spider> $ xset dpms force off
[14:51] <Spider> $ xset dpms force on
[14:53] <jilocasin0> Spider: seems to be a dead end on the light-locker side.  I guess the only thing left is to switch the video driver from the default newvuo(sp?)
[14:53] <Spider> https://systembash.com/how-to-turn-off-your-monitor-via-command-line-in-ubuntu/
[14:54] <Spider> maybe that can help?
[14:54] <jilocasin0> Spider: Well, your comment about driver and switching issue makes me think (hope) it might.
[14:55] <Spider> i wish i could help more but i am still a N@@B
[14:55] <jilocasin0> Spider: Well any port in a storm.
[14:56] <Spider> i hear that
[14:59] <jilocasin0> Spider: reformatting an external hard drive (was 800GB HFS+ journaled) but of course linux can 't mount that R/W.  Shrunk it to 400GB and formatting the other 400GB ext4.
[15:00] <jilocasin0> Spider:  it feels like it's taking forever.
[15:02] <Spider> what version of light locker are you using?
[15:02] <Spider> as well as light locker settings?
[15:03] <jilocasin0> Spider: light locker settings 1.5.0-ounbuntu
[15:04] <jilocasin0> Spider: light locker settings 1.6.0-0ubuntu2
[15:05] <jilocasin0> Spider: light locker  1.6.0-0ubuntu2
[15:12] <Spider> are you dual booting?
[15:12] <jilocasin0> Spider: I could. I've left a small OSX El Capitan partition in the even I needed to update the firmware, etc.
[19:45] <jilocasin0> afternoon all
[19:47] <a1fa> its afternoon somewhere
[19:47] <jilocasin0> ...here....
[19:48] <drc> It's five o'clock somewhere....
[19:54] <jilocasin0> so does anyone know how to disable autoresizing in xubuntu?
[19:55] <flocculant> jilocasin0: try window manager tweaks - accessibility - turn off tile windows at screen edge - might be what you mean
[19:55] <drc> jilocasin0: Are you talking about a window tiling when drug to the edge type of thing?
[19:56] <drc> and what flocculant  said
[19:56] <drc> if you are.
[19:56] <jilocasin0> I'm talking about the window automatically resizing to full screen if I move it too close to an edge
[19:56] <drc> jilocasin0: see ^^
[19:57] <jilocasin0> Thanks, that's done it.
[19:58] <jilocasin0> Now if I can remember how to get arrows back on my scroll bars and edges I can actually resize.
[19:58] <drc> what version?
[19:58] <jilocasin0> of?
[19:59] <drc> Xubuntu
[19:59] <jilocasin0> 15.04
[19:59] <jilocasin0> Xubuntu 15.04 installed on Apple iMac 27" late 2013.
[20:00] <drc> Not sure for 15.04, but 15.10b has a Greybird-accessability theme that helps with that.
[20:00] <jilocasin0> Earlier today I was having issues with a bright white lock screen.  I fixed that by switching to the proprietary NVidia driver.
[20:00] <jilocasin0> 15.10.....  almost here.
[20:01] <knome> jilocasin0, http://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/
[20:02] <jilocasin0> knome: thanks (but I have already read that)  I am looking to resize with trackball, not keyboard.
[20:03] <jilocasin0> knome: this should be a simple matter of moving pointer to window edge, wait until cursor changes shape, click and resize.
[20:03] <flocculant> jilocasin0: try a different theme
[20:05] <jilocasin0> knome: unfortunately someone(s) thought that micro thin (but unpractical) widow edges looked 'cooler'.  If/when transparent pixels are supported by the window manager (such that you can have a multi pixel target) that might work.  As it is, it's frustrating.
[20:05] <flocculant> and there's stuff on the web somewhere about mucking about with the window styles to make them thicker
[20:05] <jilocasin0> knome: even more so on an ultra hi dpi display,where the actual size of the single pixel is nearly microscopic.
[20:06] <knome> jilocasin0, they aren't, and making the shadows of windows work as draggable area isn't that simple either.
[20:07] <knome> jilocasin0, trust me, i know this issue thorough; the best thing for now is to learn another way to resize
[20:07] <knome> jilocasin0, or change the theme as several people have pointed out
[20:08] <jilocasin0> flocculant: yep, for my home PC (also running Xubuntu 15.04) I've taken to hand editing hex values to make a version of Greybird with thicker edges
[20:08] <flocculant> fine
[20:10] <drc> jilocasin0: Like I said, there a "thicker" version of Greybird "coming to a screen near you". :)
[20:11] <jilocasin0> drc: can't wait.  And why do most of the scroll bars NOT have any arrows at the ends?
[20:11] <flocculant> why would you need an arrow?
[20:11] <drc> Dunno, ask the developers. And I really don't care, TBH.
[20:12] <jilocasin0> drc: then how to you move the page, just a little bit (especially on a multipage document where a slight mouse move == several paragraphs or pages of movement)?
[20:13] <jilocasin0> flocculant: to move the page just a little bit.
[20:14] <drc> jilocasin0: Like I said, I really don't care.
[20:14] <jilocasin0> drc: I know, I 'heard you'.  I was responding to flocculant's question.
 drc: then how to you....   And with that I'm out.
[20:50] <adrenaline> Does anybody know why, I have the light locker disabled and harddisks and video set to never go dark, why it still goes dark in xubuntu?
[20:51] <mrkramps> adrenaline, screensaver or dpms?
[20:52] <mrkramps> in terms of Xserver features … check with:$ xset q
[20:53] <drc> mrkramps: I have seen/had monitors that had a hardwired blanking feature.  Maybe that?
[20:53] <mrkramps> i guess that's called DPMS …
[20:54] <drc> Dunno, your guess is as good as mine :)
[20:54] <drc> It's been a while.
[20:54] <mrkramps> =D
[20:56] <adrenaline> mrkramps: no screensaver
[20:56] <mrkramps> adrenaline, screensaver is not an additional software but a xserver feature
[20:56] <adrenaline> drc: mrkramps this is not happening to you? Or do you not have them set to never?
[20:57] <mrkramps> if i disable DPMS and screensaver there is of course no blanking
[20:57] <adrenaline> I have not screensaver option in my settings
[20:57] <drc> opps, sorry...confused the two :(
[20:57] <adrenaline> I am running 14.04 btw
[20:58] <mrkramps> adrenaline, did you check your screensaver settings with:$ xset q ?
[20:59] <adrenaline> mrkramps: I do have that, but I am  not familiar --checking it out now
[20:59] <adrenaline> It says DPMS is Disabled
[20:59] <mrkramps> adrenaline, which is you DPMS setting but not screensaver
[21:00] <adrenaline> I see Screen Saver prefer blanking yes timeout 600 cycle 600
[21:00] <adrenaline> How do I change that to never never
[21:00] <adrenaline> Thanks for the info btw that is pretty cool.
[21:01] <mrkramps> adrenaline:$ xset s off
[21:01] <mrkramps> just put it in your autostart to make it permanent
[21:01] <adrenaline> nice that set the timeout to 0
[21:01] <adrenaline> cycle is still 600
[21:02] <flocculant> try setting them in power manager display settings - in AC power on the livesession
[21:04] <adrenaline> flocculant: it is already set to never there
[21:04] <flocculant> mmk
[21:04] <adrenaline> mrkramps: I just added it to autostart thanks for the advice.
[21:04] <adrenaline> that has been baffling me for a long time.