[01:23] <cyphermox> TheMuso: thanks for n-m-openvpn! :)
[01:30] <TheMuso> cyphermox: np, just deciding to do some FTBFS work, and I use that on occasion, so I thought why not. :)
[01:30] <cyphermox> yep
[04:18] <pitti> Good morning
[06:54] <pitti> larsu: FYI: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#notify-osd
[08:13] <didrocks> good morning!
[08:14] <qengho> [needs citation]
[08:15] <Laney> GOAD MOANING
[08:22] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:22] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:22] <pitti> ça va seb128
[08:22] <didrocks> bonjour pitti :)
[08:22] <pitti> seb128: FYI, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#notify-osd test regression
[08:22] <larsu> pitti: thanks :)
[08:22] <larsu> pitti: und guten morgen aus London
[08:22] <seb128> pitti, hey, thanks we were discussing it with Laney
[08:22] <pitti> larsu: *wink*
[08:22] <seb128> and then larsu mentioned it as well
[08:22] <hikiko> hello
[08:23] <seb128> hey hikiko
[08:23] <hikiko> hi seb128 :)
[08:23] <desrt> hello #ubuntu-desktop!
[08:23] <seb128> hey desrt!
[08:23] <desrt> where is everyone today?
[08:24] <seb128> hidding in the corner
[08:24] <hikiko> hahahaha
[08:24] <desrt> i see seb
[08:26] <larsu> I see desrt
[08:27] <desrt> i don't see larsu
[08:27] <desrt> :(
[08:30] <pitti> hey desrt, wie gehts?
[08:30] <Laney> hey pitti
[08:31] <Laney> what is up?
[08:31] <pitti> the sun again, at last!
[08:31] <larsu> desrt: open your eyes!
[08:32] <desrt> omg the sun!
[08:33] <Laney> looks good here!
[08:44] <Sweet5hark> seb128:  "desktop/gnome/interface", "/system/proxy", "/system/http_proxy/host", "/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/mailto", "/apps/openoffice", "/desktop/gnome/lockdown", "/apps/openoffice/lockdown"
[08:44] <seb128> Sweet5hark, yeah, those are deprecated
[08:45] <seb128> desrt, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756153
[08:45] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 756153 in general "Clicking a file-picker dialog in GTK3-enabled Firefox or Epiphany triggers crash and/or GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: g_dbus_connection_is_closed: assertion 'G_IS_DBUS_CONNECTION (connection)' failed" [Normal,New]
[08:45] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ok, going to kill this then for LibreOffice 5.1 ...
[08:45] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks!
[08:45] <seb128> I'm surprised nobody did
[08:46] <seb128> or at least that nobody filed a bug about stopping using gconf
[08:48] <seb128> Sweet5hark, https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41678&redirected_from=fdo
[08:48] <ubot5`> bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 41678 in LibreOffice "Use GSetting instead GConf" [Enhancement,Resolved: wontfix]
[08:48] <desrt> seb128: it's all shit!!!
[08:48] <seb128> :-(
[08:51] <seb128> Sweet5hark, https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/42653 states that we can build with --disable-lockdown --disable-gconf
[09:00] <seb128> robert_ancell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1502052 seems new in wily, might be worth upstreaming?
[09:00] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1502052 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/Xorg:6:_list_del:list_del:__kgem_retire_rq:__kgem_retire_requests_upto:kgem_bo_retire" [Undecided,New]
[09:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, I'll have a lock
[09:00] <robert_ancell> look
[09:08] <seb128> didrocks, oneconf didn't change so https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/219c680fa886fb16b18c7e8291b66f066cdbeceb is likely an issue in the stack under it?
[09:14] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I feel piston-mini-client in particular
[09:14] <seb128> didrocks, weird, that didn't change since trusty
[09:14] <seb128> so probably not it
[09:15] <didrocks> seb128: hum, maybe the server did change his encoding or anything when sending back the answer?
[09:15] <seb128> yeah, I wonder
[09:15] <didrocks> (and so, the bug has always been there)
[09:15] <didrocks> just not showing up
[09:22] <Sweet5hark> "are you crazy? do you have *any* idea what larsu could do if IRC had audio support?" (paraphrasing https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/quips.cgi?action=show )
[09:24] <larsu> Sweet5hark: I need to log in to see that (but don't have an account)
[09:26] <Sweet5hark> larsu: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=qSDWM9az
[09:34] <desrt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKcChGsDqnU
[09:37] <desrt> CUPS!!
[09:37] <Laney> lp
[09:38] <desrt> where's till?
[09:38] <desrt> this is his kind of thing
[10:29] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, Do you know what sort of stability requirements the Intel driver has for git snapshots? We seem to be getting a few issues since moving from 2.99.917 to 2.99.917+git20150808.
[10:30] <robert_ancell> Was there a particular fix we were getting by upgrading?
[10:30] <robert_ancell> bug 1502052 seems to be the latest issue.
[10:30] <ubot5`> bug 1502052 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/Xorg:6:_list_del:list_del:__kgem_retire_rq:__kgem_retire_requests_upto:kgem_bo_retire" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502052
[10:50] <seb128> Trevinho, http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-desktop/unity-bugs.html
[10:55] <seb128> Trevinho, https://dev.launchpad.net/Bugs/BugHeat#Algorithm
[10:58] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: hi, i'm gone until monday, but in general one snapshot before FF, and I checked with upstream that this should've been a stable-ish release
[10:59] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, ok, I'll just raise the issues with upstream.
[10:59] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: ickle is quite responsive in fixing these and/or pointing out commits that fix things
[10:59] <tjaalton> too bad there hasn't been a single upstrean snapshot since december..
[11:00] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, you mean a release by upstream?
[11:00] <robert_ancell> I'm not aware of their release process
[11:00] <tjaalton> right, .917 is the latest and old by now
[11:01] <tjaalton> no stable release in over two years..
[11:03] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, did you mean we should have made a snapshot or upstream should have made a .918 release?
[11:03] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, just thinking for next cycle, should we regularly update by taking snapshots?
[11:05] <seb128> tjaalton, hey, not going to bother you much if you are off, but just one question. is bug #1417980 something we need to fix if we want to use libinput? what happens without the usd/ucc changes? the settings are not working?
[11:05] <ubot5`> bug 1417980 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Add support for unified Xorg input driver" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1417980
[11:05] <seb128> tjaalton, also is that something we want to change in a lts or do we need more testing/feedback?
[11:07] <hikiko> Trevinho, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyMbW4Iykqc and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTo2JtBi8so
[11:07] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: dunno if another snapshot this cycle would've helped. but it doesn't help that upstream is in git-master-forever -mode..
[11:08] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, yeah, it's kind of frustrating. Sorry to bother you, enjoy you break!
[11:09] <tjaalton> seb128: yeah, settings won't work, I'd say it would be best to switch early, fedora defaults to it already, and it would then share the same plumbing with mir
[11:09] <seb128> tjaalton, k, so on next cycle opening would be good ... how would one test that? install -libinput and change options and see if they work?
[11:10] <tjaalton> only issues I know of is some pointer acceleration issues have been reworked upstream but not released yet, but that should arrive by next month for sure
[11:10] <seb128> k
[11:10] <tjaalton> just install -libinput
[11:10] <tjaalton> it'll override -evdev and -synaptics then
[11:10] <tjaalton> verify reading Xorg.0.log
[11:10] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: no worries :)
[11:11] <tjaalton> robert_ancell: oh, and push xserver git changes when you get a chance ;)
[11:11] <robert_ancell> tjaalton, right, I keep forgetting.
[11:11] <tjaalton> too easy, I know
[11:44] <seb128> robert_ancell, useful upstream reply :-/
[11:45] <seb128> oh, in fact he's right? ;-)
[11:45]  * desrt hits glib with sticks
[11:45] <seb128> beat it!
[11:45] <robert_ancell> seb128, actually it was - you sent me on a wild goose chase! I relooked at errors.ubuntu.com and all the reports are from users running 2:1.17.2-1ubuntu9 or earlier.
[11:45] <desrt> seb128: please keep the channel G-rated
[11:45] <desrt> seb128: also: pay attention to your meeting!
[11:45] <robert_ancell> So it must be fixed I think.
[11:46] <seb128> lol
[11:46] <seb128> robert_ancell, sorry about that, those users not dist-upgrading daily!
[11:46] <robert_ancell> yeah, I reckon
[11:47]  * robert_ancell is hungry
[13:06] <desrt> seb128: so looks like we have a release now
[13:06] <seb128> desrt, \o/
[13:06] <desrt> mclasen broke the build, then reverted the changes and did a release while i was at lunch
[13:06] <desrt> so my morning was a complete waste of time
[13:07] <seb128> or not
[13:07] <seb128> well, he didn't do the release it seems?
[13:07] <seb128> sorry you wasted the morning
[13:08] <desrt> i still get to type 'make dist', it seems :p
[13:08] <desrt> he committed the release commit
[13:09]  * desrt merges the best parts of the two NEWS updates, adds trash fix, etc.
[13:09] <desrt> not a total waste
[13:12] <Trevinho> andyrock, hikiko: if you came back in the room we were before we can continue with looking through bugs... Let's do that at 14:30
[13:12] <Trevinho> seb128: if you want to...
[13:13] <seb128> Trevinho, k
[13:13] <andyrock> Trevinho: no
[13:13] <desrt> Trevinho: hikiko will be unavailable due to taking too many pictures
[13:14] <Trevinho> desrt: eheh, ok that's fine... :)
[13:14] <Trevinho> I want a bug with pictures, then BTW :)
[13:14]  * desrt looks around but fails to see Trevinho 
[13:15] <Trevinho> desrt: in the nearest meeting room
[13:15] <desrt> you just kicked a chair
[13:15] <larsu> attente: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patuoxun%C2%AE-Converter-ThinkPad-Compatible-Ultrabook-7-9x5-5mm-female-plug/dp/B00G3UTBVA
[13:15] <Trevinho> Shockley
[13:17] <Laney> shocking
[13:17] <desrt> i wanted to say that
[13:17] <desrt> but i thought it would be dumb
[13:17] <desrt> just saying' ;)
[13:18] <desrt> hm.  now i look like the dumb one anyway.
[13:18] <Laney> mean
[13:18] <desrt> and a meanie to boot
[13:18] <desrt> sorry Laney :(
[13:18] <desrt> *hug*
[13:38] <Trevinho> seb128: how often is the rls-w-incoming list updated?
[13:38] <seb128> Trevinho, no idea, maybe Laney knows?
[13:39] <Laney> try bdmurray, sorry
[13:43] <Trevinho> http://is.gd/XT8WDI
[13:49] <robert_ancell> didrocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12781248/
[14:13] <popey> robert_ancell: bug 1421575
[14:13] <ubot5`> bug 1421575 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Desktop corruption when changing monitor config" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1421575
[14:15] <robert_ancell> seb128, you were getting bug 1501941, right?
[14:15] <ubot5`> bug 1501941 in xf86-video-intel "Screen turned off after X server exits" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501941
[14:15] <seb128> robert_ancell, yeah, that was a compiz issue which has been fixed I think
[14:17] <robert_ancell> seb128, no, I worked around that in the intel driver. I need a dmesg log for upstream and mine is fully of touchscreen issues which will be confusing.
[14:18] <seb128> robert_ancell, you did? when? I though popey confirmed it was compiz back then by trying their ppa
[14:19] <robert_ancell> seb128, this is a different issue. Saviq and others were getting it. I'm sure someone here had it too..
[14:20] <seb128> robert_ancell, oh, sorry, I read popey's bug number
[14:20] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1308037
[14:20] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1295908 in unity (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1308037 Sometimes applications stop showing up in the Dash" [High,Triaged]
[14:20] <Laney> that dupe seems wrong
[14:20] <seb128> robert_ancell, I didn't have the exit bug, Saviq and olli did
[14:20] <Laney> the "How to fix it" doesn't apply in this case
[14:21] <seb128> Laney, come here and participate ;-)
[14:21] <seb128> they don't watch IRC
[14:21] <Laney> maybe I just undupe it
[14:22] <seb128> if you think it's wrong maybe undup and improve the description
[14:22] <seb128> or explain them why you think it's not a dup
[14:23] <desrt> seb is brutal
[14:23] <desrt> goes to meetings just to have a nicer chair to IRC from
[14:23] <seb128> lol
[14:23] <Laney> I think the description is fine, no?
[14:23] <larsu> the prescription is fine, ya
[14:23] <seb128> they both seem "stop listing results" to me
[14:23] <Laney> This sometimes happens for one search but either re-entering the search or toggling the lens has always fixed it in the past for me. This time neither of these steps work.
[14:24] <Laney> vs.
[14:24] <Laney> How to fix it once it happens:
[14:24] <Laney> A)type something and either hit escape or delete what you have typed.
[14:24] <Laney> B)Check "application" in filters in the Dash (it gets unchecked)
[14:24] <Laney> ?
[14:24] <seb128> titles are identical I guess that's the bit that needs to be better worded
[14:26] <seb128> "sometime dash doesn't display results until some action is done"
[14:26] <seb128> "sometime dash stop displaying results until unity is restarted"
[14:26] <seb128> or whatever the difference is
[14:27] <Laney> ok but people should still read the description
[14:28] <Laney> it's not realistic to expect the title to be able to convey all nuances of a particular bug
[14:28] <seb128> I guess in an ideal world they would
[14:29] <seb128> just not enough hours in the day for that
[14:29] <Laney> to read?
[14:29] <Laney> you have to understand the problem to fix it
[14:29] <Laney> anyway I changed them, hope you like it more now
[14:30] <seb128> thanks
[14:31] <seb128> well, I'm just said that when you try to clean a buglist that long you can't spent 5 minutes on every bug
[14:31] <seb128> so good titles help to avoid errors ;-)
[14:32] <willcooke> larsu, https://www.brewdog.com/bars/uk/shoreditch
[14:32] <larsu> willcooke: thanks!
[14:33] <larsu> willcooke: when will we meet there?
[14:33] <qengho> london-turingers, I'll visit Forbidden Planet bookstore on the way to dinner, leaving about 17:30. You're welcome to join me.
[14:34] <willcooke> larsu, I'm easy.  I guess we get back to the hotel and then freshen up etc and head over.  I'd suggest we get a cab/Uber because public transport looks like more effort than I'm willing to expend.  Uber will be about 10 GBP each way.  If we Uber then we can come and go as we please
[14:35] <larsu> willcooke: sounds good to me
[14:35] <willcooke> larsu, But I think I'll plan to be there for around 1930
[14:35] <larsu> cool
[14:35] <larsu> do they have food?
[14:35] <larsu> otherwise I'd probably get something before
[14:35] <willcooke> they do, but my mate says it's not great.
[14:36] <willcooke> I haven't eaten there though
[14:36] <larsu> a beer is also some kind of food, eg?
[14:36] <larsu> *eh
[14:36] <willcooke> Trip Advisor agrees that the food "needs work"
[14:36] <didrocks> guinness!
[14:37] <willcooke> there are no shortage of eating places over there
[14:37] <willcooke> I'll get some recommendations
[15:29] <jcastro> anyone have time to look at #1498658 or #14986655 ? branches are attached
[15:31] <seb128> bug #1498658
[15:31] <ubot5`> bug 1498658 in steam (Ubuntu) "Steam Controller support: need read-write access to /dev/uinput for controller emulation" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498658
[15:33] <seb128> jcastro, unsure, I've the feeling it's going to be picked, maybe mdeslaur once he's back from holidays?
[15:33] <jcastro> ah so that's why he's missing, I was looking for him earlier
[16:32] <willcooke> hey Pharmasolin
[16:32] <Pharmasolin> willcooke: Hello
[16:32] <willcooke> Pharmasolin, so you're looking for a way to help with Desktop QA?
[16:33] <Pharmasolin> willcooke: Yes i have started with bug triaging for 16.04, but now modifying testcases
[16:36] <willcooke> Pharmasolin, I think it would be useful if we can write test cases for the bugs that we are fixing as part of the U7 clear up
[16:36] <willcooke> so that we can make test for regressions
[16:36] <willcooke> Trevinho, fyi ^^
[16:51] <Pharmasolin> willcooke: were afk, i will need to get some fixed bug from Unity bug tracker and write steps for reproduce for specific bug, that were fixed?