[04:56] <MooDoo> morning
[07:05] <diplo> Moaning
[07:06] <diplo> Well, rather chilly out there this morning.... may be time for the heating to come on I think
[07:07] <zmoylan-pi> 1 degree warmer than yesterday... [Dublin, DUB, Ireland] Condition: Mostly Cloudy | Temp: 2C/36F/275K/495R | Humidity: 100% | Wind Speed 0mph/0kmph
[07:07] <MooDoo> wasn't too bad for us last night, but I don't think it'll be long :)
[07:08] <diplo> Woke me up so a little chilly, same here apart from sunny zmoylan-pi
[07:09] <zmoylan-pi> still have summer duvet on bed so was a little chilly.  must break out 15 tog winter duvet
[07:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:10] <diplo> I don't have a different duvet :)
[07:12] <zmoylan-pi> just some straw to curl up in the corner in? :-)
[07:14] <diplo> Don't feel the cold that much normally...
[07:14] <diplo> Think I'm getting old, no scratch that... I am getting old :D
[07:20] <MooDoo> diplo: no scratch that, you are old ;)
[07:22] <DJones> Well, I never wanted a model plane as a kid, but I do  now https://youtu.be/9F34GDVrVXw
[07:28] <zmoylan-pi> my last 2 bosses were big on model aircraft and while they loved the jets they hated that you had to be super careful not to let them get out of radio range as it was so easy to do so
[07:28] <zmoylan-pi> mind he crashed a lot of his planes
[07:28] <zmoylan-pi> and his hovercraft
[07:28] <zmoylan-pi> and his boats...
[07:29] <zmoylan-pi> he had a knack for finding and ramming every german occupied boat on irish lakes...
[07:29] <diplo> MooDoo!! You're not supposed to agree :D
[07:45] <MooDoo> diplo: Don't worry I'm sure I'm older than you ;)
[07:50] <diplo> 40 next year...
[08:16] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:16] <MooDoo> howdy
[08:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy World Maths Day! 😃
[08:33] <davmor2> JamesTait: there can only be one song for today then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0irL1M15DH8
[08:34] <awilkins> It's also National Curry Week here in the UK
[08:34] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:34] <JamesTait> Isn't every week national curry week in the UK?
[08:34] <davmor2> JamesTait: +1
[08:34] <zmoylan-pi> well mostly every friday is national curry day i would have thought...
[08:35] <awilkins> Bah, curry is for every day
[08:35] <JamesTait> Our takeaway night is Thursday. 😉
[08:35] <zmoylan-pi> at work thursday was chinese thursday, we'd send a gopher to takeaway for lunch
[08:39] <davmor2> JamesTait: how do you like that for a song choice
[08:40] <JamesTait> davmor2, I approve. ☺
[08:50] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: National curry week? WHY DID I NOT KNOW THIS????
[08:50] <awilkins> I got it from a promoted tweet...
[08:51] <TwistedLucidity> Oh, I don't use Twitter. Explains it.
[08:51] <foobarry> my computer feels slower when i can hear the disk tinklling its i/o
[08:52] <TwistedLucidity> Perception, or have you measure it?
[08:52] <TwistedLucidity> Odd thing: People say elevators arrive quicker if you put mirrors near the doors.
[08:52] <foobarry> perception. when i have a pc that has good noise insulation its ok
[08:52] <awilkins> Probably because they while away the time before they arrive checking themselves out
[08:53] <TwistedLucidity> awilkins: Hegzactly.
[08:53] <awilkins> foobarry, get an SSD and eliminate IO noise AND it will actually go much faster
[08:53] <TwistedLucidity> My SSD locked up on me last night.
[08:53] <TwistedLucidity> Was not fun.
[08:54] <TwistedLucidity> Seems that BTRFS freaks out when the partition reaches capacity.
[08:55] <JamesTait> Heh. Thunderbird just saved approximately 563GB of my 240GB SSD by compacting folders.
[08:56] <JamesTait> I suspect its estimate may be slightly off.
[08:56] <foobarry> the btrfs "full" thing
[08:56] <zmoylan-pi> they *HAVE* been infiltrated by ms!! :-P
[08:58] <daftykins> nice snap of sunrise here the other day when i left for England - https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vx752or7x52fpo/IMG_20151008_072255.jpg?dl=0
[08:59] <daftykins> you can see a big cruise ship on the left in front of Herm
[09:21] <mapps> ya got net again
[09:23] <daftykins> :)
[09:23] <daftykins> that took a while
[09:26] <mapps> indeed
[09:26] <mapps> getting 5mbs
[09:27] <TwistedLucidity> Bearable I guess.
[09:27] <mapps> and my tv works..all uk chans and that LD
[09:27] <mapps> :D
[09:28] <daftykins> TV? online streams or a standard aerial affair?
[09:28] <mapps> streams to my stb but hd quality
[09:37] <mapps> ;]
[09:59] <bashrc_> maybe I should get a larger SSD at some point, but I don't actually generate much data
[10:01] <daftykins> what's your current + usage like?
[10:02] <awilkins> A bug in the audio stack is vexing me
[10:02] <awilkins> I'm using a speaker set over 5.1 optical.
[10:03] <awilkins> There are some apps that seem to correctly "open" a channel and successfully make a noise
[10:03] <awilkins> There are some that only work if something else is successfully making a noise already
[10:03] <awilkins> Rhythmbox is now one of these things
[10:03] <awilkins> So if I want to use Rhythmbox to listen to music, I have to open Spotify and play something first.
[10:04] <awilkins> If I pause the audio in Rhythmbox, it breaks and no more audio emerges at all.
[10:04] <daftykins> sometimes a low volume inside a software player can fail to engage a receiver over optical
[10:04] <awilkins> Unless I switch to an analog output like some kind of filthy caveman
[10:04] <awilkins> It's not even the volume I think
[10:04] <awilkins> It's like there's some kind of I/O blocking
[10:05] <awilkins> Like, there are videos that just stall and refuse to play until you switch to analog headphones, then they play
[10:05] <daftykins> strange! i'm not any good with audio on the Linux desktop sadly
[10:05] <awilkins> It seems like some kind of horrific ALSA / Pulseaudio bug to me
[10:05] <awilkins> It shouldn't matter what you do with the applications
[10:05] <daftykins> although it will still be analogue out over optical to use really, as amusingly optical only supports two PCM channels
[10:05] <awilkins> It's rather annoying because it breaks the audio from Thunderbird
[10:06] <awilkins> Hmm? I've tested the speakers over optical and they all work individually
[10:06] <awilkins> And the audio from Thunderbird is essential to my sanity
[10:06] <awilkins> Because of calendar reminders
[10:07] <awilkins> Which I need in order to not miss meetings and thus look stoopid
[10:07] <daftykins> yeah but nothing you're feeding it is gonna be surround? :)
[10:07] <daftykins> unless you play a film or such like, but that'll bitstream which gets around the channel limitation
[10:07] <awilkins> Seems to work fine for e.g. 5.1 content in VLC
[10:07] <awilkins> And yes, I think that direct streams
[10:08] <daftykins> anyway i don't think my waffling will help :)
[10:08] <awilkins> The sound panel in Ubuntu lists the wired digital output
[10:08] <awilkins> But not the optical unless you execute some funky commands
[10:09] <awilkins> And it vanishes as soon as you select another output
[10:09] <awilkins> I have a shortcut on my desktop to select 5.1 optical out that executes the funky command
[10:11] <awilkins> Pulseaudio is whack
[10:12] <awilkins> Awesome, impressive, but in need of polish and finish
[10:14] <daftykins> i installed xubuntu on a friends old laptop whilst away, i had codecs and what not installed to try and get an mp3/shoutcast stream of french radio she wanted working... but the default player would count the timer as if it was playing, but have no sound
[10:14] <awilkins> Hmm, explicitly turned off my NVIDIA card as a sound device and suddenly Rhythmbox works properly
[10:14] <daftykins> in the end i just threw on VLC and that played it just fine, didn't have to mess with the audio settings at all
[10:14]  * awilkins tests VLC
[10:15] <awilkins> Oh wow, that might have solved my problems
[10:15] <daftykins> :D
[10:15] <awilkins> Streams that previous just sat mute in VLC now work
[10:16] <awilkins> Arrgh, but it's not playing 5.1
[10:16] <awilkins> Oh, unless the voice is all around because it's a mental voice
[10:16]  * awilkins waits for real dialog to occur
[10:16] <daftykins> what's the source video? surely in VLC you need to tell it your receiver is DD/DTS capable
[10:16] <awilkins> Source video is Mr Robot episode
[10:16] <davmor2> awilkins: is your nvidia card using hdmi?
[10:16] <daftykins> ah, so possibly DD
[10:16] <awilkins> Not actually using HDMI
[10:17] <awilkins> Have turned that off now
[10:17] <awilkins> Ah, OK, this stream is stereo
[10:17] <awilkins> So it's being replexed for my 5.1 which may be why it works
[10:18] <awilkins> It was direct 5.1 from ac3 that wasn't working before
[10:18]  * awilkins tries an episode with 5.1
[10:18] <awilkins> Hooray! Proper surround! That's working!
[10:19] <awilkins> Mental note : always turn off stuff that isn't being used.
[10:19] <awilkins> I hope that setting sticks between reboots.
[10:19] <TwistedLucidity> I was going to suggest that.
[10:19] <daftykins> :)
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> Never mind the trouble PA can cause, the DE's sound widget can throw a spanner in the works too.
[10:20] <TwistedLucidity> Right...I needs to AFK.
[10:20] <awilkins> Well, it's not the _most_ involved fix I've had to put in to make audio work
[10:20] <awilkins> That was writing a kernel patch to get my mic input working again (bug in the audio-patch-panel code in the ALSA drivers)
[10:24] <awilkins> Arrgh, it went "pop" and stopped because I let it idle
[10:25] <awilkins> Still being weird. Hopefully less weird.
[10:26]  * awilkins finds the auto-mute setting in the ALSA mixer and disables it
[12:22] <diddledan> damn you davmor2, I can't get that song out of my head!
[12:25] <popey> Think yourself lucky, here people are singing disney "it's a small world"
[12:28] <diddledan> disney songs are awesome!
[12:28] <diddledan> :-p
[12:29] <davmor2> diddledan: you're welcome
[12:29] <diddledan> random: adobe patched 69 "critical" vulnerabilities in flash, reader and acrobat
[12:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:31] <diddledan> ref: http://www.securityweek.com/adobe-patches-many-flaws-flash-player-acrobat-reader
[12:35] <foobarry> hula hoops are really noisy crisps. even when eating with closed mouth
[12:36] <diddledan> lol
[12:37] <bigcalm> The trick is to suck them
[12:39] <zmoylan-pi> ...off your fingers
[12:39] <foobarry> always results in my child cryig
[12:39] <foobarry> daddy , i bit my finger
[12:39] <foobarry> how do i know if the firmware on my system is up to date?
[12:45] <diddledan> you could try to exploit it with firmware-viruses(virii)?
[12:45] <diddledan> do haxx0rs use the term virii these days?
[12:45] <foobarry> linux-firmware - Firmware for Linux kernel drivers
[12:45] <diddledan> or am I an outdated old fart?
[12:45] <foobarry> ^^ what does this package do?
[12:45] <diddledan> aah
[12:46] <diddledan> I think that might be the cpu microcode
[12:46] <foobarry> and stuff for network cards etc
[12:46] <diddledan> though I don't really know
[12:46] <diddledan> I tend to trust the apt to give me the right stuff
[12:47] <foobarry> shouldn't try to fix non broken stuff i guess
[12:54] <bigcalm> Email from Game "Great news! Your order has been dispatched and will be delivered soon.". That's my pre-ordered Steam Link and Controller. Considering the release date is 10th Nov, wasn't expecting such an email for a while
[12:54] <bigcalm> "Delivery Method: Free Delivery - 1st Class Post (1-2 working days)" hummmm, we'll see
[13:04] <diplo> foobarry: I always used to have an alert each month to check servers firmware to see if any new ones were released, no automated way I found.. just linked to the driver area of each thing I wanted to updated in the alert
[13:38] <popey> bigcalm: they're arriving for most people on friday
[13:38] <popey> set that day aside :)
[13:39] <bigcalm> popey: woop woop
[13:39] <ali1234_> how do you tell what type of bluetooth you have on linux?
[13:40] <popey> dmesg?
[13:41] <ali1234_> i can't see anything useful on dmesg
[13:42] <foobarry> lspci?
[13:43] <bigcalm> lsusb?
[13:44] <ali1234_> it just says "USI Co. ltd"
[13:45] <foobarry>  bluez-test-adapter  list
[13:45] <foobarry> [19839.492564] usb 4-1.2.3: Product: BLUETOOTH USB +EDR ADAPTER v2.1 UHE
[13:45] <foobarry> [19839.492566] usb 4-1.2.3: Manufacturer: Broadcom Corp
[13:45] <foobarry> dmesg says this when i plug it in
[13:46] <ali1234_> "Bluetooth Module BCM92070"
[13:48] <ali1234_> i think it's nly 3.0
[14:02] <foobarry> i hear bt4 is low powered
[14:04] <popey> ya, and bluez5 now supports BT LE I believe.
[14:04] <popey> bluez5 landed in 15.10 recently I think
[14:51] <daftykins> ah finally got the warranty replacement WD and a new WD Red 1TB for this synology 2 bay NAS
[14:51] <daftykins> letting it build and check a RAID 1 right now \o/
[14:55] <diddledan> \o/
[14:55] <diddledan> RAID It like you just don't care!
[14:56] <diddledan> RAID it, RAID it, just a little bit!
[14:56] <daftykins> mother has been hassling mortals on the facebooks again, trying to get someone with a macbook air to call me
[14:56] <daftykins> ooh-err.
[14:56] <SuperMatt> ah, you're the extended family tech support, no?
[14:57] <daftykins> i think this'll be more a total stranger
[14:58] <Myrtti> we should get a harddrive for the new telly
[14:58] <SuperMatt> that's why I said extended family
[14:58] <daftykins> right but... that's not extended family o0
[14:59] <SuperMatt> I know, but that's often how it feels, that these stangers have randomly become part of your extended family just so they can get tech support
[15:00] <daftykins> :)
[15:08] <diddledan> daftykins, tech support me!
[15:08] <diddledan> daftykins, yo momma said it be free
[15:08] <daftykins> i'm sure she said a lot of things ;)
[15:09] <daftykins> oh dear she's whatsapp'd me a phone # now
[15:09] <diddledan> err, yey?
[15:09] <diddledan> lol
[15:09] <diddledan> she's determined!
[15:09] <daftykins> i was out at this clients yesterday sorting a net connection well enough, then unbricked an iPad that was refusing to register screen input
[15:10] <daftykins> but then when the lady said she had pics on her digital camera she wanted to look through on her iPad and iPhone, i was like "err... not really gonna happen"
[15:11] <daftykins> in the end it transpired her grandson had knicked her older model macbook pro so i was able to copy the pics onto that, but short of hersigning up to more iCloud space i had no idea how they could be put somewhere they could all see them? :|
[15:15] <daftykins> i do always caveat that i'm not a fruity tech type, but often get asked nonetheless
[15:16] <arsenip> icloud family can share pics, but it does require the family 'organiser' role to basically sign up for paying for anyones apple store expenses
[15:17] <arsenip> cant remmeber if you can setup shared albums or not
[15:17] <daftykins> hehe
[15:17] <daftykins> ah well i only meant her own personal devices there
[15:17] <daftykins> so pics transferred on MBP, but visible on iPad and iPhone
[15:17] <daftykins> i was unsure on the best practice for that one
[15:17] <arsenip> i set the family thing up with the mrs, and promptly removed it when i realised it meant all of her expenditure (icloud backup/apps etc) would be charged to my amex.
[15:18] <arsenip> i think your photo stream spans devices
[15:18] <daftykins> isn't that just snaps that are taken on the device, that appear there?
[15:18] <arsenip> pics are auto-uploaded iirc. i no longer have more than one mobile device to test
[15:19] <arsenip> hm could be.
[15:19] <daftykins> for manual camera pulls i figured things get a tad more complicated
[15:19] <diddledan> you still need the storage space in your icloud account tho
[15:19] <daftykins> i'd be loathe to walk around the corner and speak to the little minions in the local Apple reseller :P
[15:19] <arsenip> easier to ring apple :p
[15:19] <daftykins> diddledan: yeah she only had the free 5GB with 2GB left
[15:19] <diddledan> the non-icloud way is to transfer photos using itunes methinks?
[15:20] <daftykins> mmm i guess so
[15:20] <daftykins> i think she was after an impossible situation really, syncable but didn't want to pay
[15:20] <arsenip> apple is definitely not the 'no paying' solution
[15:21] <arsenip> you can create shared albums though, that works
[15:21] <arsenip> but that uses icloud space.
[15:21] <daftykins> mmm i saw the options in the photos app but it didn't strike me as the right thing
[15:21] <arsenip> i shall check my macbook! one sec.
[15:21] <daftykins> she'd have fun with that on the 1Mb upload they have too ;D
[15:21] <daftykins> ty sir
[15:22] <arsenip> oh i havent opened photos on my macbook12 yet - now its downloading 7000 photos :x
[15:23] <arsenip> you can share anything in the photos app tho, so if whatever camera pics are pulled into the photos app, you can create a shared album with them (requiring icloud space)
[15:25] <daftykins> XD
[15:26] <daftykins> ah yeah, we imported, threw them in a custom titled album then i saw the share options
[15:26] <daftykins> but yeah, figured they'd be too chunky
[15:26] <daftykins> share looked more like to share to others, not ones self o0
[15:27] <arsenip> ok so
[15:27] <diplo> Guys, windows office issue.. as you're all so knowledgeable :D
[15:28] <daftykins> diplo: sure?
[15:28] <diplo> Gota  friends office 2007 that has saved a spreadsheet as a TMP file
[15:28] <diplo> open and recover fails to recover
[15:28] <diddledan> tmp?
[15:28] <diplo> Any software or recommendations on ways to try and open / extract
[15:28] <daftykins> how big is the .tmp ?
[15:28] <diddledan> rename it to xls?
[15:28] <diddledan> :-p
[15:28] <diplo> huge, the spreadsheet is 35-40mb, the TMP file seems to be around 70-80
[15:29] <daftykins> copy it, rename to .xls as diddledan suggests and if its' size is non-zero it may open
[15:29] <diplo> heheh, I've tried all the normal stuff
[15:29] <diplo> Yeah tried that
[15:29] <daftykins> sorry .xlsx
[15:29] <diddledan> 2007 uses xlsx?
[15:29] <daftykins> of course
[15:29] <diplo> Yeah tried both options, yup daftykins
[15:29] <daftykins> oh ok
[15:29] <daftykins> tried .zip also?
[15:29] <daftykins> may show up as corrupted
[15:29] <diddledan> hmm, xlsx must be older than I remembered
[15:29] <daftykins> 2007 was the XML format debut :)
[15:29] <diddledan> aah
[15:30] <diddledan> yeah it's just a zip to try renaming to .zip to see if it's extractable
[15:30] <diplo> I javen't converted to .zip, tried opening in 7z as xlsx but that failed
[15:30] <diplo> Will try
[15:31] <daftykins> you're welcome to throw it my way too, if it's not sensitive - diplo
[15:31] <diddledan> it shouldn't have deleted the original file until the tmp is complete
[15:31] <daftykins> yeah
[15:31] <diplo> Error in packed file :/
[15:31] <daftykins> i'd go rooting in that persons %TEMP%
[15:31] <diplo> Yeah, reading the web lots of people having this issue with no real fixes
[15:31] <diplo> It appears to be AV related on UNC shares
[15:32] <diplo> yeah can't find anything in Microsoft or other dirs in %TEMP%
[15:32] <diplo> Was going to try a recovery program ( used to be ones for 2003 ) although I've not used office in years
[15:33] <daftykins> nor me, i have to fudge my way around 2007+
[15:33] <daftykins> i was proper back when it was sane, with 2003 ;)
[15:33] <diddledan> poke it with a pokey thing
[15:34] <diddledan> put it on the street outside and get a pokey thing and poke it as people walk past
[15:34] <diddledan> encourage them to poke it too
[15:36] <diplo> daftykins: Same here, not really touched it since 2003 :/ well I'll keep fudging, not actually sure what data is in there so not sure if I can share.. will find out though and may ask again, cheers guys
[15:36] <daftykins> np :)
[15:41] <daftykins> i had a mate whose PC decided to install windows 8.1 update 1 the night he was finishing off his uni dissertation ready for morning
[15:42] <arsenip> the classic excuse for late thesis :d
[15:42] <daftykins> i ended up connecting in and finding the doc he had open hidden in temp, 'cause he had probably tried to tell it to go forth and multiply but to no avail (maybe clicked the wrong thing) :D
[15:42] <daftykins> was quite painful how it was stuck updating for a couple of hours, pesky mechanical only machines :)
[15:44] <diddledan> haha. n00b mistake!
[15:44] <diddledan> ofc loonicks upgrades are much quicker (unless you're running gentoo)
[15:46] <arsenip> sorry daftykins - may have to wait for the photo sync to get any useful info. sayin that.. it is syncing photos ive taken on other devices to my macbook... i'd asume vice versa will happen to the screenshot i imported, its probably queued for upload.
[15:48] <daftykins> arsenip: *nod* no problemo, certainly no hurry on finding out about manual photo additions - cheers :)
[15:48] <daftykins> diddledan: except when pesky users have oodles of PPAs and let it all break on upgrade ;)
[15:49] <arsenip> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00ELAM8NC/ :o
[15:49] <arsenip> not sure what relevance that has to ubuntu, but still - they look nice.
[15:50] <diplo> OK, it appears that the file is or has been converted to 2k3 format as headers in hexview are saving it is
[15:51] <daftykins> diplo: odd .doc didn't work, then
[15:51] <diplo> Yer :/
[15:52] <daftykins> though when you said the file size of the .tmp is twice the standard, it almost suggests some confusion
[15:53] <diddledan> arsenip, those are spensive
[15:53] <arsenip> they're meant to be better build/sound qual than bigger brands of 2x price though, and they look awesomes
[15:54] <diddledan> unless those brands 2x the price are beats :-p
[15:54] <arsenip> b&w etc :p
[15:54] <daftykins> my Shure SE530s are back to fighting fit with the new £10 extension cable \o/
[15:54] <daftykins> certainly better than sending in my pair and paying £210 for the latest model, as they wanted
[15:55] <daftykins> the SE535s are £300-400 on amazon, haha
[15:55] <daftykins> laughable.
[15:55] <arsenip> im confident audio quality has an exponential price curve
[15:55] <arsenip> there's a sweet spot somewhere between £30-100 i think
[15:56] <daftykins> yeah, definitely
[15:56] <daftykins> minimal returns any higher
[15:56] <arsenip> well, that is the sweet spot.. your choice of spend just depends on your spare dollah dollah
[15:56] <daftykins> sure love the noise-isolating for travel, cutting out the noise around you :D
[15:56] <diddledan> I am partial to the apple earpods
[15:56] <daftykins> eww ;) heh, nah never tried apple ones
[15:56] <arsenip> i keep breaking/losing mine, thus it makes no sense to buy anything pricey - so for some reason i've decided £90 on those is a good idea (?!?!?)
[15:56] <diddledan> they're pretty good for me
[15:56] <arsenip> :D
[15:56] <arsenip> i have them, but i hate them
[15:57] <arsenip> there JUST good enough that i dont smash them or bin them, but they're useless anywhere noisey, and the quality is meh
[15:57] <diddledan> they're far and away better than the previous generation tho
[15:58] <diddledan> the previous gen were the bog-standard in-ear style - the earpods are the erganomic-style
[15:58] <arsenip> i think they're the same, just with a front cover to direct output and increase comfort :p
[15:59] <diddledan> the earpods have multiple drivers from what I can tell
[15:59] <diddledan> the previous ones were a single unit
[15:59] <ali1234_> foobarry: yep, bluetooth 4.0 includes BLE, which is actually a totally different standard
[15:59] <arsenip> ah, i cant say i noticed tbh. For me they're fine unless you want to block out surroundings (long flights to US, the tube every day, noisy tourists)
[15:59] <ali1234_> and i found out how you tell if you have it: "hcitool lescan"
[16:00] <ali1234_> and then i went to pc world and bought a new dongle...
[16:01] <arsenip> daftykins  - it will sync auto yes, in both directions
[16:01] <arsenip> ive got my iphone photo and my macbook screenshot on both devices. i imported the screenshot just by dragging it over the photos app (thats 'photos', not 'iphoto' or 'photobooth')
[16:05] <daftykins> ah just called this lady, hilariously she's just up the top of my road in an office XD
[16:06] <daftykins> sounds like she's installed OS X El Capitan with office 365 and it's got its' brand new issues at the moment :P
[16:11] <popey> I had right trouble with el capitan on my wifes mbp
[16:11] <popey> went back to whatever was before mavericks
[16:12] <daftykins> 10.8? so mountain lion? 10.9 was mavericks and 10.10 is Yosemite
[16:13] <daftykins> doing some research now to see what is the winning combo, i'd definitely read office 2016 is fudged on El Capitan right now
[16:15] <popey> no idea
[16:16] <popey> whatever I previously had, mavericks i think
[16:16] <popey> their code names make no sense to me :)
[16:16] <daftykins> :D
[16:16] <daftykins> i've a client still on 10.9 Mavericks, but i'm wondering when it'll stop getting security updates
[16:24] <Azelphur> I HAVE WON THE WAR WITH CUSTOMS \o/
[16:27] <popey> hah
[16:28] <Pr0ph3t> Hi all, since I installed Ubuntu 15.04 I have only been able to boot it with "upstart", if I select the standard (new) boot option the screen goes black, but the system boots because I can ssh in and work from remote. I can't even see terminal consoles if I press alt+f1 etc
[16:29] <daftykins> Azelphur: yay \o/ congrats! they saw sense on the nonsensical codes?
[16:30] <Azelphur> yup
[16:32] <Pr0ph3t> Has anyone else experienced this? I have nvidia card and Intel integrated, the screen is connected via hdmi directly into the discreet nvidia card and, as I mentioned above, it all works fine when I boot it with upstart
[16:33] <diddledan> turn off the intel?
[16:33] <daftykins> you don't really get controls to do that with optimus systems
[16:33] <diddledan> is it an optimus tho
[16:33] <daftykins> Pr0ph3t: when you say 15.04 install, do you mean it was an upgrade from an earlier version?
[16:34] <daftykins> that'd be the only way you'd have both init systems
[16:34] <Pr0ph3t> Yes, I did an upgrade
[16:34] <daftykins> ah ok
[16:35] <ali1234_> Azelphur: your 4k monitors?
[17:13] <Pr0ph3t> Re all, regarding what I talked about before, I installed the 355 drivers, I get to lightdm now, but after login it kind of freezes, I can see the pointer moving but only at times and the keyboard does not respond. Again if I boot with upstart it all works fine
[17:21] <ali1234_> 355 drivers?
[17:21] <ali1234_> aren't we on like 454 now or something?
[17:22] <daftykins> hmm i got disconnected for a while there
[17:22] <daftykins> ali1234_: nah not broken 360 yet afaiui
[18:21] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TidRpVWXBE killer flash drives
[18:22] <Pr0ph3t> ali1234: right, I thought 355 was the latest, that's what you get from a recently released ppa anyways
[18:37] <Pr0ph3t> ali1234: I checked, 358 is still beta
[18:38] <Pr0ph3t> By the way, any explanation why the system is unusable if I boot it from the non upstart option?
[18:38] <Pr0ph3t> By the way, if it's not upstart, what is it?
[18:39] <Pr0ph3t> Been listening to Red Hot Chili Peppers too much lately I think
[18:54] <daftykins> Pr0ph3t: systemd
[19:09] <foobarry> !wily
[19:09] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu 15.10 (Wily Werewolf) will be the 23rd release of Ubuntu. Discussion in #ubuntu+1
[19:09] <foobarry> !release
[19:09] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[19:09] <foobarry> !isitoutyet
[19:09] <lubotu3`> Not yet!
[19:13] <daftykins> well well, been brought this macbook air that needs a sorting out
[19:13] <daftykins> client is off on a flight at lunch tomorrow and needs it by then... so i think that makes it curry night
[19:13] <daftykins> ^_^
[19:17] <zmoylan-pi> a full internet collection, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark and you're wearing sunglasses?
[19:17] <daftykins> "...backup it!"
[19:17] <daftykins> :D
[19:18] <daftykins> i have that clip as it goes - https://www.dropbox.com/s/dr96kfthy2iqyx1/TheBluesBrothers.mkv?dl=0
[19:18] <zmoylan-pi> unneccesary violence in the management of a macbook air has been approved...
[19:19] <daftykins> it's a 4,1 too
[20:05]  * diddledan gives daftykins' macbook air a good sorting out
[20:06] <diddledan> aka seeing-to
[20:12] <daftykins> o:
[20:12] <daftykins> not until it's backed up!
[20:13] <daftykins> silly things have no wired LAN (sans-adapter) too so i'm limited to an HDD over USB 2.0 :P
[20:13] <daftykins> 52GB done of 72
[20:14] <diddledan> I've got a thunderbolt ethernet adapter
[20:14]  * zmoylan-pi loans diddledan my biggest hammer for fixing macbook
[21:07] <daftykins> 6GB for El Capitan!
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> loading loading loading... raw data transfer speeds...
[21:13] <daftykins> i like that i had to use the terminal to make up the flash drive
[21:14] <daftykins> used to be a GUI friendly method over in mac land :)
[21:15] <diddledan> you don't need to make a flash drive
[21:16] <daftykins> the other option i know of is online install, which i don't want to do as i'll be OS version hopping if i have issues
[21:16] <daftykins> so download once -> put on media once > try, fail, repeat download
[21:17] <zmoylan-pi> he can just boot from dvd :-)
[21:17] <daftykins> lol
[21:17] <daftykins> you're cruel, sir!
[21:18] <zmoylan-pi> i once installed windows on system using cd drive i shared from another pc using a boot floppy and peer to peer network... i took a solemn vow never to install windows from floppy after the second time i installed win 95 from floppies
[21:18] <daftykins> :D
[21:19] <daftykins> how many did 95 have?
[21:19] <daftykins> we had some office version that was on about 25, as kids
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> 35ish iirc
[21:19] <daftykins> ouch
[21:19] <daftykins> one of them you had to partially hold the eject button on for it to be read
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> and once used the disks were corrupt and wouldn't read again
[21:19] <zmoylan-pi> which you only found out on disk 17 of second install
[21:20] <daftykins> :)
[21:20] <zmoylan-pi> some people ask the precise moment i started to hate ms...
[21:26] <daftykins> diddledan: was it online install you were thinking of, or am i missing a trick?
[21:26] <diddledan> install using the app that you downloaded
[21:27] <daftykins> oh no i want to do clean, as it's got issues atm
[21:27] <daftykins> so i've done a TM backup, gonna nuke it from orbit. it's the only way to be sure.
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> last time i reinstalled on mac mini it offered option to reinstall os but leave all data and config...
[21:28] <daftykins> ooh here we go finally copied
[21:28] <daftykins> yeah i don't trust any of that right now, just wanna go back to basics
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> but that was dvd so it meant i could redo over fairly quickly if config was the problem...
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> that was however after wasting a day discovering that an apple keyboard wasn't 100% compatible with mac mini...
[21:31] <daftykins> now i just gotta pick a winning software combo :P
[21:32] <diddledan> winning software combo != osx?
[21:32] <daftykins> lol
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> os/2 will rise again :-)
[21:32] <daftykins> amusingly this client feels the same, but this is her laptop and needs to present come tomorrow afternoon
[21:32] <diddledan> (shauno's ghost, that was a joke, I wasn't really apple bashing. come back!)
[21:33] <daftykins> i wonder if she even has the VGA adapter cable to use this thing on a projector...
[21:33] <daftykins> good lord this flash drive boot is taking ages, i see a progress bar
[21:33] <diddledan> weren't we commenting earlier how crazy it was to be installing a new OS when you had work due the following day?
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> no there'll he some snafu with the adapter that will require 10-15 minutes at start of presentation to fix :-)
[21:34] <daftykins> diddledan: :D
[21:36] <diddledan> so apparently the leaky wiki has released the text of the Trans-Specific-Partnership agreement - it's supposed to be somewhat egregious, though I don't think it effects us (the equiv that effects us I think is something about the atlantic)
[21:37] <zmoylan-pi> it is an indicator of what will be in that treaty though
[21:38] <diddledan> aye
[21:39] <diddledan> aha, my guess was right (I removed it 'cos I second-guessed myself) - the atlantic version is TTIP
[21:39] <diddledan> or Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership
[21:39] <daftykins> oh my mate up in England had a pamphlet about that glued to his front window
[21:51] <daftykins> so much EMI coming out of this little thing
[21:51] <daftykins> i can hear it work despite having an SSD :>
[21:54] <zmoylan-pi> i could hear/feel the cpu in my zx spectrum.  i can still usually hear my laptops if i concentrate on them and the room is quiet enough
[21:55] <zmoylan-pi> i skipped the who going to concerts in 80s and been deafened by walkmans thing...
[21:56] <daftykins> :)
[22:03] <daftykins> oh it wasn't the laptop at all, it was the NAS the other side of the room still verifying
[22:03] <daftykins> 99.69%
[22:06] <daftykins> 20 mins remaining now on the MBA
[22:06] <daftykins> oy vey :P
[22:07] <daftykins> maybe i should sleep and continue in the mornin'
[22:08] <diddledan> err. wasn't it a second several minutes ago?
[22:09] <daftykins> yeah XD
[22:09] <daftykins> then it rebooted and demanded the flash drive to continue
[22:09] <daftykins> (i tried pulling it but got that folder with a question mark on it)
[22:09] <daftykins> so i think that first phase was solely the recovery partition ¬_¬
[22:09] <diddledan> o_O
[22:10] <daftykins> you can probably add up all my active interaction with this machine to less than 5 mins so far
[22:10] <daftykins> it's all been waiting :)
[22:11] <Seeker`> popey: I'll eat your steak next time if you don't like how it's served :P
[22:12] <Seeker`> anyone here played with ham radio?
[22:12] <Seeker`> SDR etc.
[22:12] <daftykins> i know some folk in other chans that play with SDR, picking up overhead planes etc
[22:12] <daftykins> or nearby hospital comms XD
[22:13] <Seeker`> I'm wondering whether I should be see much on the 2m band. Because currently I've got a lot of nothing
[22:14]  * daftykins asks
[22:26] <daftykins> Seeker`: i'm sure it can vary on region but one of the guys in NZ says he sees nothing there too! :)
[22:27] <Seeker`> by nothing I really do mean nothing http://i.imgur.com/IFONoi7.png :P
[22:41] <diddledan> wtf? agents of shield - simmons wants to go back?!
[22:42] <diddledan> I'm confuddled
[22:43] <daftykins> two SMC updates? heh
[22:43] <daftykins> so good the MBA installed it twice
[22:43] <diddledan> lol
[22:44] <daftykins> now i can install either office 2016 which has the issues, or 2011
[22:44] <daftykins> i'm gonna go with both, as i enjoy living so
[22:44] <zmoylan-pi> throw on open office and libre office for fun too :-)
[22:45] <zmoylan-pi> is star office still around...?
[22:45] <daftykins> 8D
[22:46] <zmoylan-pi> run a vm and put win95 and word 2.0c on that too
[22:47] <zmoylan-pi> then run all simultaneously and take a screen shot... should make front page of something :-)
[22:53] <daftykins> lol yeah Word 2016 just sits there, can't get past the 'get started' first screen :)
[22:56] <zmoylan-pi> that's not mocking you in any way...
[22:56] <daftykins> it ran after a force quit and attempt #2 :)
[22:56] <zmoylan-pi> feel the anger... come to the dark side... /sith lord :-)
[22:56] <daftykins> then i installed the update for the updater... now i'm installing the updates for each office app :)
[23:00] <daftykins> midnight already! i've got 11hrs left ;)
[23:00] <zmoylan-pi> but the mac is now a pumpkin...
[23:04] <daftykins> drat!
[23:04] <daftykins> and what's this idle shoe doing here...
[23:04] <daftykins> ok both suites installed fine, so now to work out which will win in the pecking order
[23:04] <daftykins> after they both update themselves...
[23:05] <zmoylan-pi> 400 quatloos on the newcomer ::cue trek fighting music::
[23:07] <daftykins> then all i have left is... ok too much to list
[23:08] <zmoylan-pi> write that list down as you might overlook an item in the late hours and lack of sleep and haste
[23:09] <daftykins> i might just sleep now, sleep less, then resume afresh
[23:09] <daftykins> but yep - notepad in front of me :D
[23:09] <daftykins> i asked for all logins before she left so i have had everything i needed \o/
[23:10] <zmoylan-pi> huzzah, free big screen tvs for everyone \o/
[23:10] <daftykins> is Azelphur buying? ;)
[23:10] <daftykins> (they weren't TV's but ok!)
[23:11] <daftykins> diddledan: oh wow, the new feature where if i waggle the pointer it goes big!
[23:14] <diddledan> aye, I don't like that
[23:14] <diddledan> it is 1) too responsive, and 2) goes small again too quick
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> no quick way to disable it?
[23:20] <daftykins> ok both suites installed and updated
[23:20] <daftykins> now we're going for the backup ;)
[23:29] <popey> moo
[23:30] <zmoylan-pi> bark
[23:32] <daftykins> ok leaving this thing restoring the backup, gonna sleep and resume in the morning :)
[23:32] <daftykins> g'night folks \o
[23:47] <zmoylan-pi> o/