[05:59] Good morning === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert [08:13] morning pitti! [08:13] morning all [08:14] Hey desktoppers. === TheMuso` is now known as TheMuso [08:14] 'sup. [08:14] evening TheMuso [08:15] hey larsu, how are you? [08:15] * pitti waves to the desktoppers [08:15] pitti: sick again :/ Not sure what's going on with me [08:15] pitti: how are you? [08:15] larsu: meh :( darn ubuflu? [08:15] pitti: I'd be patient 0 if so ;) [08:15] larsu: a bit groggy from basketball and staying up late, but okay otherwise, thanks [08:16] pitti: not many other desktoppers here yet. I here there was some sort of port involved last night ;) [08:16] *hear even [08:17] Hope you folks had a good time last night, wish I was there. [08:18] TheMuso: it was a lot of fun up until the part where I had to leave because I was too tired :) How are you? [08:18] larsu: Much better than I was earlier in the week thanks. [08:21] Hi all, irrespective of what happened last night, I'd need help with sponsoring an im-config patch. It's bug #1481025, and it's a "must go in today" thing. Anyone? [08:21] bug 1481025 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "Keyboard shortcut for layout switching works in Unity but not in Gnome-Flashback" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481025 [08:21] morning [08:22] GunnarHj: Trade for you looking at the broken mascot image in ubuntu-docs? [08:23] Laney: Are you sure it's broken? It works with en_US, and the rest will work when the translations have been built. [08:23] well I don't get it here [08:23] what do you mean? [08:24] morning Laney [08:24] how are you? [08:24] broken [08:24] :/ [08:24] dpkg --configure laney [08:24] *Laney [08:24] meow [08:24] what version you on? [08:25] * TheMuso -> EOD, later folks. [08:25] Laney: I mean that if you start yelp as "LANGUAGE=en_US yelp", it should show up. [08:25] yes, and C works too [08:25] so what fixes this? [08:26] Laney: Right. And the rest depends on the language-pack-gnome-XX-base packages, which haven't been built yet. Right, pitti? [08:27] so en_GB should work already then [08:29] Laney: All other languages but en_US should work when those packages have been built. [08:30] Laney: Now, after this good news, any chance you can help with the im-config patch? ;) [08:31] GunnarHj: haven't been built yet> err, what? [08:33] pitti: Latest version from October 2, and the ubuntu-docs build happened after that. [08:33] GunnarHj: ah, ok; yeah, we'll get another fresh build; I just pinged infinity in #u-devel to ask when this should happen [08:34] pitti: Ok, that's what I (and Laney) am/are waiting for. :) [08:35] GunnarHj: -> happyaron :-) [08:37] happyaron: Hi Aron, have you seen my corrections at bug #1481025? [08:37] bug 1481025 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "Keyboard shortcut for layout switching works in Unity but not in Gnome-Flashback" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481025 [08:39] GunnarHj: yes I'm reading that, just thinking I was correct for uploading the cjkv one, :) [08:39] happyaron: You were indeed. You should have stopped me. ;) [08:40] happyaron: Will you take care of the latest patch? [08:40] yep for im-config [08:41] happyaron: Great, then I'll go ahead and upload the l-s part. [08:41] thanks [08:42] happyaron: I made a stupid mistake, so you really don't need to thank me. But anyway, you're welcome. ;) [08:47] hello :) [09:19] mvo, what does sessioninstaller do? file-roller recommends it, does that seem like it still should? [09:23] GunnarHj, does language-selector work with PackageKit? We're looking at removing aptdaemon. [09:27] darkxst, around? [09:28] robert_ancell, maybe, just got home 1min ago [09:28] whats up [09:29] darkxst, we're sprinting in London and were about to have a discussion about what version of GNOME for 16.04 - was wondering if you wanted to be involved. [09:29] ok [09:30] I need 15mins though [09:30] darkxst, np [09:30] robert_ancell: I think it used to install missing compressors and such [09:30] irc? or hangouts? [09:30] darkxst, hangout probably works best [09:31] mvo, I couldn't see any associated patch to file-roller to use it directly, so I guess if PackageKit is working then file-roller will just continue to work. [09:32] ok, just let me grab some food first [09:32] re packagekit, it uses aptdeamon, shit breaks if you use apt-cc backend (like debian does) [09:33] language-selector uses aptdeamon [09:33] darkxst, we're looking at fixing the issues in apt-cc and dropping aptdaemon [09:34] robert_ancell: yeah, session-installer is providing a PK session compatible API [09:34] mvo, ah [09:39] robert_ancell, I am all for that, but pitti doesnt like apt-cc === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert [09:40] well, 'like' -- it doesn't support plugins any more, but that ship has sailed long ago already anyway [09:40] darkxst, let us know when you're ready [09:41] with that we lost the feature that if you install a package it also installs necessary langpacks [09:41] it's not the end of the world of course [09:41] robert_ancell, eating, about 10 mins [09:41] darkxst: didn't we drop the apt backend several releases ago already anyway? [09:42] setup a hangout I'll join it when I'm done [09:42] pitti, did we ever use apt-cc? I don't think so [09:42] of course packagekit also has the older python? apt backend but that is different [09:43] darkxst: aren't we now? packagekit-backend-apt still exists in precise, not after that [09:43] pitti, apt-cc conflicts with aptdaemon [09:43] darkxst: well, "now" -> if you actually use packagekit, of course [09:44] with aptdaemon we obviously use that, and have plugins, right [09:44] apt-cc also has no support for locale provides, but ximion would take that upstream [09:45] darkxst, ok, let's just do it on IRC then. seb128 Laney larsu attente anyone else who cares [09:46] https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK+/Roadmap [09:46] I think everyone is pretty much agreed here to go with 3.18 for GNOME [09:46] attente was keen to go to 3.20 for GTK+ because it has some features for GTK+ Mir [09:46] looking a GTK, 3.20 would be good for the mir backend/the things attente is working on [09:46] desrt too [09:46] but " Merge GSK " seems a bit scary [09:46] darkxst, does that match what you guys want in Ubuntu GNOME? [09:47] unsure how much the scene graph impacts [09:47] is that new code/backend [09:47] or going to impact x11 rendering? [09:47] https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/DeveloperExperience2014/GtkRoadmap#A4._A_scene_graph. [09:48] Sounds likely to cause bugs, probably would not be perfectly ironed out until 3.22 [09:50] * robert_ancell watches the tumbleweed go past [09:50] robert_ancell, I can do a hangout now [09:52] I don't think the scene graph stuff is ready to land yet? [09:52] seb128, afaik gsk will only be used and impact new widgets [09:53] ricotz, the second link states "The first step is to get a scene drawn inside a GtkWidget " [09:53] so it seems like it has potential for quite some code change/creating issues [09:55] I think this widget would be some kind of new container with the needed api to go further [09:55] gnome has been pretty stable the last few releases, but you never know when they decide to go and break stuff at the last minute] [09:55] I doubt that literally GtkWidget is meant here [09:56] sorry, g2g [09:58] https://hangouts.google.com/call/ab27fjkv4ryjrpunjw4xrsytcia [09:59] darkxst, ^ want to join? [09:59] ricotz, bye [10:00] seb128, trying to join [10:01] darkxst, we can't hear you [10:01] do you hear us? [10:02] seb128, I can hear you [10:02] darkxst, doesn't work? [10:03] seb128, apparently no sound [10:03] we can't hear you... [10:04] darkxst, can you try to reconnect? [10:04] ok [10:04] thanks [10:10] seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1506396 [10:10] Ubuntu bug 1506396 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Desktop scaling from 2→1 on dell xps doesn't resize to screen dimensions" [Undecided,New] [10:11] davmor2, thanks [10:39] seb128, that was a pretty shallow meeting, but if you guys reallly want to switch, and we are for it, you will need to find a server to generate metadata [10:40] darkxst, is debian going this way? [10:40] seb128, yes, but so far its only hooked in tanglu, but they have a dedicated server generating the data [10:41] ximion was talking about getting a meta-data package into ubuntu for kubuntu, but that is just a hack [10:42] debian already defaults to apt-cc backend so a little easier for them [10:42] (and kubuntu also) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:52] What was that? [12:52] shut up guys, I wanna work. [12:53] stop poking me seb128 === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:13] chrisccoulson: just feed him some stollen, and he'll become really friendly! [13:14] yummy! [13:14] hah! :) [13:15] * Sweet5hark remembers that for the next crappy package he wants to get sponsored. [13:16] seb128, any progress on zfs? [13:18] cking, I did new spl-linux and looking at zfs now but it's not a trivial package [13:19] seb128, ack, indeed [13:22] Will zfs integrate with gnome-disks and such? It crosses so many layers, it seems hard. [13:26] qengho, no entirely sure [13:26] *not [13:33] pitti: apport test failure reported on konsole looks like a network issue? lots of "ERROR: Package download error" [13:33] hmmm, so cnn published the current top 50 bars of the world and 9 of them are in London. I wonder, if we should use that information for Great Good(tm) ... http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/09/foodanddrink/world-50-best-bars-2015/index.html [13:34] +1 [14:02] Sweet5hark: any chance you can join us in #ubuntu-touch-meeting [14:12] qengho, does bug 1506483 look reasonable to you? [14:12] bug 1506483 in Light Display Manager "Cannot "killall chromium" from a guest session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1506483 [14:14] robert_ancell: reasonable, yes. SRU-worthy, I an not so sure. [14:14] I'll leave that up to you~. [14:14] qengho, yeah, I'm not going to SRU it, but wanted to check if it should go onto trunk [14:15] robert_ancell: LGTM [14:15] qengho, thanks [14:16] willcooke: i will need to get some fixed bug from Unity bug tracker and write steps for reproduce for specific bug, that were fixed? [14:16] willcooke: it is from our yesterday conversation i were afk and you exit irc later [14:16] willcooke: we were talking about U7 test cases [14:19] Pharmasolin, just talking to davmor2 about some of the options [14:21] willcooke: ok [15:21] r [15:34] chrisccoulson: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+files/firefox_41.0.2.orig.tar.bz2 [15:34] qengho, thanks [15:44] Trevinho: http://5digits.org/pentadactyl/ [15:52] robert_ancell, do you see anything wrong with http://paste.ubuntu.com/12791538/ [16:06] robert_ancell, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=8bd98c08aa380dd31273b4377ef6417f9946c941 [16:07] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=3df565cbf737ec6ad87b9d8eae21a1213e656fd2 [16:08] robert_ancell, I guess fixed in https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=b6bf982289273c1416ba66281b8c09a1ee6a33a4 [17:06] cyphermox: Nudging you about the MP at bug #1499088. There are also a couple of unreleased revisions in trunk, so there should indeed be another upload of ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu before final freeze. [17:06] bug 1499088 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu Wily) "Text is unreadable (dark-on-dark) in ubiquity slideshow "Help & Support" slide, when installing Ubuntu 15.10" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499088 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [17:17] GunnarHj: cool, you ready to upload ubuntu-docs? [17:17] scratch that, I see it happened alredy [17:17] cyphermox: Right.