[05:59] <pitti> Good morning
[08:13] <larsu> morning pitti!
[08:13] <willcooke> morning all
[08:14] <TheMuso`> Hey desktoppers.
[08:14] <qengho> 'sup.
[08:14] <willcooke> evening TheMuso
[08:15] <pitti> hey larsu, how are you?
[08:15]  * pitti waves to the desktoppers
[08:15] <larsu> pitti: sick again :/ Not sure what's going on with me
[08:15] <larsu> pitti: how are you?
[08:15] <pitti> larsu: meh :( darn ubuflu?
[08:15] <larsu> pitti: I'd be patient 0 if so ;)
[08:15] <pitti> larsu: a bit groggy from basketball and staying up late, but okay otherwise, thanks
[08:16] <larsu> pitti: not many other desktoppers here yet. I here there was some sort of port involved last night ;)
[08:16] <larsu> *hear even
[08:17] <TheMuso> Hope you folks had a good time last night, wish I was there.
[08:18] <larsu> TheMuso: it was a lot of fun up until the part where I had to leave because I was too tired :) How are you?
[08:18] <TheMuso> larsu: Much better than I was earlier in the week thanks.
[08:21] <GunnarHj> Hi all, irrespective of what happened last night, I'd need help with sponsoring an im-config patch. It's bug #1481025, and it's a "must go in today" thing. Anyone?
[08:21] <ubot5`> bug 1481025 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "Keyboard shortcut for layout switching works in Unity but not in Gnome-Flashback" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481025
[08:21] <Laney> morning
[08:22] <Laney> GunnarHj: Trade for you looking at the broken mascot image in ubuntu-docs?
[08:23] <GunnarHj> Laney: Are you sure it's broken? It works with en_US, and the rest will work when the translations have been built.
[08:23] <Laney> well I don't get it here
[08:23] <Laney> what do you mean?
[08:24] <larsu> morning Laney
[08:24] <larsu> how are you?
[08:24] <Laney> broken
[08:24] <larsu> :/
[08:24] <Laney> dpkg --configure laney
[08:24] <larsu> *Laney
[08:24] <Laney> meow
[08:24] <larsu> what version you on?
[08:25]  * TheMuso -> EOD, later folks.
[08:25] <GunnarHj> Laney: I mean that if you start yelp as "LANGUAGE=en_US yelp", it should show up.
[08:25] <Laney> yes, and C works too
[08:25] <Laney> so what fixes this?
[08:26] <GunnarHj> Laney: Right. And the rest depends on the language-pack-gnome-XX-base packages, which haven't been built yet. Right, pitti?
[08:27] <Laney> so en_GB should work already then
[08:29] <GunnarHj> Laney: All other languages but en_US should work when those packages have been built.
[08:30] <GunnarHj> Laney: Now, after this good news, any chance you can help with the im-config patch? ;)
[08:31] <pitti> GunnarHj: haven't been built yet> err, what?
[08:33] <GunnarHj> pitti: Latest version from October 2, and the ubuntu-docs build happened after that.
[08:33] <pitti> GunnarHj: ah, ok; yeah, we'll get another fresh build; I just pinged infinity in #u-devel to ask when this should happen
[08:34] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, that's what I (and Laney) am/are waiting for. :)
[08:35] <Laney> GunnarHj: -> happyaron :-)
[08:37] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Hi Aron, have you seen my corrections at bug #1481025?
[08:37] <ubot5`> bug 1481025 in language-selector (Ubuntu) "Keyboard shortcut for layout switching works in Unity but not in Gnome-Flashback" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481025
[08:39] <happyaron> GunnarHj: yes I'm reading that, just thinking I was correct for uploading the cjkv one, :)
[08:39] <GunnarHj> happyaron: You were indeed. You should have stopped me. ;)
[08:40] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Will you take care of the latest patch?
[08:40] <happyaron> yep for im-config
[08:41] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Great, then I'll go ahead and upload the l-s part.
[08:41] <happyaron> thanks
[08:42] <GunnarHj> happyaron: I made a stupid mistake, so you really don't need to thank me. But anyway, you're welcome. ;)
[08:47] <hikiko> hello :)
[09:19] <robert_ancell> mvo, what does sessioninstaller do? file-roller recommends it, does that seem like it still should?
[09:23] <robert_ancell> GunnarHj, does language-selector work with PackageKit? We're looking at removing aptdaemon.
[09:27] <robert_ancell> darkxst, around?
[09:28] <darkxst> robert_ancell, maybe, just got home 1min ago
[09:28] <darkxst> whats up
[09:29] <robert_ancell> darkxst, we're sprinting in London and were about to have a discussion about what version of GNOME for 16.04 - was wondering if you wanted to be involved.
[09:29] <darkxst> ok
[09:30] <darkxst> I need 15mins though
[09:30] <robert_ancell> darkxst, np
[09:30] <mvo> robert_ancell: I think it used to install missing compressors and such
[09:30] <darkxst> irc? or hangouts?
[09:30] <robert_ancell> darkxst, hangout probably works best
[09:31] <robert_ancell> mvo,  I couldn't see any associated patch to file-roller to use it directly, so I guess if PackageKit is working then file-roller will just continue to work.
[09:32] <darkxst> ok, just let me grab some food first
[09:32] <darkxst> re packagekit, it uses aptdeamon, shit breaks if you use apt-cc backend (like debian does)
[09:33] <darkxst> language-selector uses aptdeamon
[09:33] <robert_ancell> darkxst, we're looking at fixing the issues in apt-cc and dropping aptdaemon
[09:34] <mvo> robert_ancell: yeah, session-installer is providing a PK session compatible API
[09:34] <robert_ancell> mvo, ah
[09:39] <darkxst> robert_ancell, I am all for that, but pitti doesnt like apt-cc
[09:40] <pitti> well, 'like' -- it doesn't support plugins any more, but that ship has sailed long ago already anyway
[09:40] <robert_ancell> darkxst, let us know when you're ready
[09:41] <pitti> with that we lost the feature that if you install a package it also installs necessary langpacks
[09:41] <pitti> it's not the end of the world of course
[09:41] <darkxst> robert_ancell, eating, about 10 mins
[09:41] <pitti> darkxst: didn't we drop the apt backend several releases ago already anyway?
[09:42] <darkxst> setup a hangout I'll join it when I'm done
[09:42] <darkxst> pitti, did we ever use apt-cc? I don't think so
[09:42] <darkxst> of course packagekit also has the older python? apt backend but that is different
[09:43] <pitti> darkxst: aren't we now? packagekit-backend-apt still exists in precise, not after that
[09:43] <darkxst> pitti, apt-cc conflicts with aptdaemon
[09:43] <pitti> darkxst: well, "now" -> if you actually use packagekit, of course
[09:44] <pitti> with aptdaemon we obviously use that, and have plugins, right
[09:44] <darkxst> apt-cc also has no support for locale provides, but ximion would take that upstream
[09:45] <robert_ancell> darkxst, ok, let's just do it on IRC then. seb128 Laney larsu attente anyone else who cares
[09:46] <seb128> https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/GTK+/Roadmap
[09:46] <robert_ancell> I think everyone is pretty much agreed here to go with 3.18 for GNOME
[09:46] <robert_ancell> attente was keen to go to 3.20 for GTK+ because it has some features for GTK+ Mir
[09:46] <seb128> looking a GTK, 3.20 would be good for the mir backend/the things attente is working on
[09:46] <robert_ancell> desrt too
[09:46] <seb128> but " Merge GSK " seems a bit scary
[09:46] <robert_ancell> darkxst, does that match what you guys want in Ubuntu GNOME?
[09:47] <seb128> unsure how much the scene graph impacts
[09:47] <seb128> is that new code/backend
[09:47] <seb128> or going to impact x11 rendering?
[09:47] <seb128> https://wiki.gnome.org/Hackfests/DeveloperExperience2014/GtkRoadmap#A4._A_scene_graph.
[09:48] <robert_ancell> Sounds likely to cause bugs, probably would not be perfectly ironed out until 3.22
[09:50]  * robert_ancell watches the tumbleweed go past
[09:50] <darkxst> robert_ancell, I can do a hangout now
[09:52] <darkxst> I don't think the scene graph stuff is ready to land yet?
[09:52] <ricotz> seb128, afaik gsk will only be used and impact new widgets
[09:53] <seb128> ricotz, the second link states "The first step is to get a scene drawn inside a GtkWidget "
[09:53] <seb128> so it seems like it has potential for quite some code change/creating issues
[09:55] <ricotz> I think this widget would be some kind of new container with the needed api to go further
[09:55] <darkxst> gnome has been pretty stable the last few releases, but you never know when they decide to go and break stuff at the last minute]
[09:55] <ricotz> I doubt that literally GtkWidget is meant here
[09:56] <ricotz> sorry, g2g
[09:58] <robert_ancell> https://hangouts.google.com/call/ab27fjkv4ryjrpunjw4xrsytcia
[09:59] <seb128> darkxst, ^ want to join?
[09:59] <seb128> ricotz, bye
[10:00] <darkxst> seb128, trying to join
[10:01] <seb128> darkxst, we can't hear you
[10:01] <seb128> do you hear us?
[10:02] <darkxst> seb128, I can hear you
[10:02] <seb128> darkxst, doesn't work?
[10:03] <darkxst> seb128, apparently no sound
[10:03] <seb128> we can't hear you...
[10:04] <seb128> darkxst, can you try to reconnect?
[10:04] <darkxst> ok
[10:04] <seb128> thanks
[10:10] <davmor2> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1506396
[10:10] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1506396 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Desktop scaling from 2→1 on dell xps doesn't resize to screen dimensions" [Undecided,New]
[10:11] <seb128> davmor2, thanks
[10:39] <darkxst> seb128, that was a pretty shallow meeting, but if you guys reallly want to switch, and we are for it, you will need to find a server to generate metadata
[10:40] <seb128> darkxst, is debian going this way?
[10:40] <darkxst> seb128, yes, but so far its only hooked in tanglu, but they have a dedicated server generating the data
[10:41] <darkxst> ximion was talking about getting a meta-data package into ubuntu for kubuntu, but that is just a hack
[10:42] <darkxst> debian already defaults to apt-cc backend so a little easier for them
[10:42] <darkxst> (and kubuntu also)
[12:52] <chrisccoulson> What was that?
[12:52] <Sweet5hark> shut up guys, I wanna work.
[12:53] <chrisccoulson> stop poking me seb128
[13:13] <pitti> chrisccoulson: just feed him some stollen, and he'll become really friendly!
[13:14] <seb128> yummy!
[13:14] <chrisccoulson> hah! :)
[13:15]  * Sweet5hark remembers that for the next crappy package he wants to get sponsored.
[13:16] <cking> seb128, any progress on zfs?
[13:18] <seb128> cking, I did new spl-linux and looking at zfs now but it's not a trivial package
[13:19] <cking> seb128, ack, indeed
[13:22] <qengho> Will zfs integrate with gnome-disks and such? It crosses so many layers, it seems hard.
[13:26] <cking> qengho, no entirely sure
[13:26] <cking> *not
[13:33] <Riddell> pitti: apport test failure reported on konsole looks like a network issue? lots of "ERROR: Package download error"
[13:33] <Sweet5hark> hmmm, so cnn published the current top 50 bars of the world and 9 of them are in London. I wonder, if we should use that information for Great Good(tm) ... http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/09/foodanddrink/world-50-best-bars-2015/index.html
[13:34] <qengho> +1
[14:02] <popey> Sweet5hark: any chance you can join us in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[14:12] <robert_ancell> qengho, does bug 1506483 look reasonable to you?
[14:12] <ubot5`> bug 1506483 in Light Display Manager "Cannot "killall chromium" from a guest session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1506483
[14:14] <qengho> robert_ancell: reasonable, yes. SRU-worthy, I an not so sure.
[14:14] <qengho> I'll leave that up to you~.
[14:14] <robert_ancell> qengho, yeah, I'm not going to SRU it, but wanted to check if it should go onto trunk
[14:15] <qengho> robert_ancell: LGTM
[14:15] <robert_ancell> qengho, thanks
[14:16] <Pharmasolin> willcooke: i will need to get some fixed bug from Unity bug tracker and write steps for reproduce for specific bug, that were fixed?
[14:16] <Pharmasolin> willcooke: it is from our yesterday conversation i were afk and you exit irc later
[14:16] <Pharmasolin> willcooke: we were talking about U7 test cases
[14:19] <willcooke> Pharmasolin, just talking to davmor2 about some of the options
[14:21] <Pharmasolin> willcooke: ok
[15:21] <Sweet5hark> r
[15:34] <qengho> chrisccoulson: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+files/firefox_41.0.2.orig.tar.bz2
[15:34] <chrisccoulson> qengho, thanks
[15:44] <Laney> Trevinho: http://5digits.org/pentadactyl/
[15:52] <seb128> robert_ancell, do you see anything wrong with http://paste.ubuntu.com/12791538/
[16:06] <seb128> robert_ancell, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=8bd98c08aa380dd31273b4377ef6417f9946c941
[16:07] <seb128> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=3df565cbf737ec6ad87b9d8eae21a1213e656fd2
[16:08] <seb128> robert_ancell, I guess fixed in https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=b6bf982289273c1416ba66281b8c09a1ee6a33a4
[17:06] <GunnarHj> cyphermox: Nudging you about the MP at bug #1499088. There are also a couple of unreleased revisions in trunk, so there should indeed be another upload of ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu before final freeze.
[17:06] <ubot5`> bug 1499088 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu Wily) "Text is unreadable (dark-on-dark) in ubiquity slideshow "Help & Support" slide, when installing Ubuntu 15.10" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499088
[17:17] <cyphermox> GunnarHj: cool, you ready to upload ubuntu-docs?
[17:17] <cyphermox> scratch that, I see it happened alredy
[17:17] <GunnarHj> cyphermox: Right.