=== ValicekB_ is now known as ValicekB === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === zhxt__ is now known as zhxt [03:16] ogra_: I'll look into it === donna is now known as Guest8503 [03:45] hello there! Can I just ask about a bug on your great and new operating system? [03:46] after log in, running first time the desktop won't comes up. not even the arrow of the mouse. is there a hash tag for the issue? === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [08:15] Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Conflict Resolution Day! 😃 [08:41] jamesh: Hi - are you around? [08:41] mcphail: hi [08:42] jamesh: hi - I've been having trouble with mediascanner2 on my desktop. It is using up to 200% of my CPU and spamming 100's of thousands of lines of logs. Is there some way to tame it? [08:43] mcphail: I'd need a bit more info to go on. What does it appear to be doing? [08:43] mcphail: and what version are you running? [08:45] jamesh: 0.106+15.10.20150917-0ubuntu1 from wily. It is simply indexing. It never consumes less than 10%CPU (and firefox, for example, consumes 1--3%) but often spikes up to 150--200% [08:45] Not good for a background service [08:45] mcphail: it should only be indexing ~/Music, ~/Videos, ~/Photos and any removable media you have loaded under /media [08:46] jamesh: That may be the case, but it managed to spawn a 55MB 800000+ line log file in 2 hours, before I killed it [08:47] jamesh: see my rant at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/10/14/%23ubuntu-app-devel.html [08:47] once things are indexed, it should use no CPU (waiting on inotify watches) [08:47] jamesh: well, it appears to be busy-waiting for some reason. [08:48] jamesh: and consuming 200% CPU when active is pretty poor as well. I got fragged in CouterStrike :) [08:49] omg [08:49] ogra_: yes - it was _that_ serious [08:49] thats really bad indeed ! [08:49] play borderlands 2 next time, then a team mate can chime in at least :) [08:49] :) [08:50] * ogra_ alrefady sees the headline "mediascanner in ubuntu kills people !!!!1one!!" [08:50] * Stskeeps submits to phoronix [08:51] jamesh: my attached USB drive is a backup drive. Contains multiple hard-linked incremental backups of my whole library. Not sure mediascanner should be traversing removable media in the first place, tbh [08:52] mcphail: you can block it from scanning by placing a file called ".nomedia" in the directory [08:53] mcphail: we have it scan removable media so that e.g. you can see the music on an SD card when you plug it into the phone [08:54] jamesh: yes, I can see the rationale on the phone. Byt scanning removable media by default is probably not optimal on the desktop [08:55] jamesh: Is there any way to cut CPU usage? Batch sqlite writes or add some nanosleep()s to the code? [08:58] mcphail: as I said, the CPU usage will go down when it finishes scanning. You can reduce the amount of files it will scan using one or more ".nomedia" files [09:02] jamesh: I'm sorry, but I have to be honest and say it is a painful user experience. The default Ubuntu desktop indexer isn't capable of bringing my machine to a crawl. Mediascanner shouldn't either [09:06] mcphail: I agree that it shouldn't make the system unusable. However you've given me very little to work with though: does the log indicate that it is just working its way through the files, or does it show errors? [09:10] jamesh: the whole log is a bit large for me to post, but the output of "grep -i error mediacscanner-2.0.log" is at http://termbin.com/svzi [09:13] mcphail: those don't look out of the ordinary. If you want to block the drive from being scanned, run "touch /media/neil/Seagate/.nomedia" (with sudo if needed), followed by "restart mediascanner-2.0" (not with sudo) [09:15] OK, I'll use that for now. Cheers. [09:18] jamesh: any way we can reduce the io on ms2? It _murders_ my desktop on every boot. [09:18] Takes 10s to open a terminal if ms2 is running [09:20] popey: maybe not 10 seconds but it really plays havoc trying to burn dvd's for testing [09:20] yes, 10s [09:21] it's _painful_ [09:21] popey: is your setup similar to mcphail's with it scanning removable media, or just a large music/video/photo collection? [09:22] jamesh: no. Just my desktop pc with some pictures/videos/photos in home [09:22] jamesh: "some" = all my family photos [09:25] popey: okay. Unless there is something weird going on, it should only be stating those files to check that they match what is already in the index (there is no way it can determine what has changed between when it was last shut down and when it starts up) [09:25] it shouldn't be reindexing anything [09:26] jamesh: want me to file a bug when I get home? any data I need to provide? [09:27] popey: so 200GB of photo 2 TB of audio and 4TB of video right ;) [09:28] popey: I guess a good test would be to wait for MS2 to be quiet, run "stop mediascanner-2.0", delete the log file ~/.cache/upstart/mediascanner-2.0.log, then "start mediascanner-2.0" and wait for it to calm down again [09:29] if it says it is rescanning anything, that would be worth looking into. [09:29] also it crashes a lot in wily update-notifier-crash-_var_crash__usr_bin_mediascanner-service-2.0.1000.crash.log.7.gz [09:30] jamesh: okay, will do when home, thanks. [09:31] Guest42341: we did have a crash related to invalid dates in MP3 files that was fixed back in June. But appart from that we are still vulnerable to codec bugs [09:31] Guest42341: we try to recover and not rescan such problem files, but it is imperfect [09:32] I have an in-progress branch that would move the metadata extraction code out of process that I had to set aside due to other priorities. I'll see if I can get time to finish it off [09:33] nice :D [10:17] Qt 5.5.1 \o/ [10:17] announcement 7 mins ago [10:17] * Mirv spins up local builder machine [10:17] Mirv: mad man [10:25] :P [10:25] Mirv: ping [10:26] nik90: don't ping the mad man [10:26] nik90: pong [10:26] :) [10:27] Mirv: hey, am I right that QtUbuntu maintains downstream Qt fixes? [10:27] I was wondering if bug 1384739 is a suitable candidate for it [10:27] bug 1384739 in qtubuntu "Qt.locale().amText property does not work for English (Australia) locale" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1384739 [10:27] nik90: no, qtubuntu is a Qt Mir module that is now actually upstreamed for Qt 5.6 / 5.7 [10:28] oh [10:28] qtmir is too, I forget which one is the Mir client and which one is Mir server.. it's more obvious in the upstream naming [10:28] nik90: so Qt patches are in respective modules, for example http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtbase.git/log/?h=ubuntu [10:28] * Mirv comes up with wget --quiet -O - http://download.qt.io/official_releases/qt/5.5/5.5.1/submodules/ | grep tar.xz | sed 's/.*href=\"\(.*tar.xz\)\".*/\1/' | sed 's%^%wget http://download.qt.io/official_releases/qt/5.5/5.5.1/submodules/%' >> fetch.sh && sh fetch.sh [10:29] Mirv: So do I report this bug upstream in QT bug trackers and wait for a fix in the upcoming releases? Or do we patch it downstream and push it upstream? [10:29] That said, I dont have experience to fix it myself [10:30] nik90: the optimal way is the file upstream Qt bug, and LP bug for the same component so that we can backport a fix as soon as upstream has it in some future branch of theirs [10:30] ok. I will do that. [10:30] nik90: we tend to wait so that there's an accepted upstream solution (merged to their dev branch), than we can patch it all the way to our stable 5.4.1 OTA updates [10:30] nik90: thanks! [11:10] jamesh: if it helps, I've uploaded some system profiling data taken for 1 minute when ms2 is "quiet" (i.e. 10--20% CPU): http://themcphails.uk/perf.data [11:11] jamesh: you can read it with "perf report --sort comm,dso" [11:12] mcphail: that gives a 403 forbidden error. [11:12] jamesh: sorry - try again [11:12] that's better [11:13] mcphail: out of interest, was it writing anything to the log during this quiet period? [11:14] jamesh: not sure - forgot to clear log just before running :( [11:15] There are a few unresolved symbols there, Is there a ddeb for ms2? [11:16] ...might get us better info [11:20] mcphail: they should be in the archive or PPA along with all the other ddebs [11:21] jamesh: OK, I'll install them and try again later, as I'm sure the proper symbols will help. Need to feed the kids now :) [11:40] ACtually, that doesn't seem to give any more info. Suspect I'd need all the kernel sysmbols etc to flesh it out a bit === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === _salem is now known as salem_ === zhxt is now known as zhxt_afk === dbarth_ is now known as dbarth === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:02] Is this dealt with? http://news.softpedia.com/news/first-malicious-app-published-in-store-for-ubuntu-touch-494595.shtml?utm_content=bufferfa6d3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=plus.google.com&utm_campaign=buffer [13:02] zzarr, it is [13:03] it was pulled from the store, all apps in the store were scanned for the vulnerability, the problem was patched so no new apps can get in with that exploit and a security fix is getting prepped to go out [13:04] beuno, nice, thanks [13:11] I have mako/ota6/pin-for-screenlock. When phone is locked, after swiping down top edge it is possible to (de)activate bluetooth and gps, also reading and responding to text msg received while phone is locked is possible in notification-tab in top edge. Is this intended? [13:12] zelle, yes you can turn that off in the privacy settings [13:12] ah, ok, thank you [13:38] jamesh: MS2 seems to have calmed down now. Adding .nomedia to the backup drive has helped. Cheers [14:58] oSoMoN: I finally caught console output on a browser crash, filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1506508 [14:58] Ubuntu bug 1506508 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu) "Browser crash on Wily, Unity 7 desktop" [Undecided,New] [15:02] mhall119, thanks, are you getting a crash file? or can you get a stacktrack when running it under gdb? [15:07] oSoMoN: I have a crash file, would you like it attached to the bug report? [15:08] mhall119, yes please [15:08] oSoMoN: should I mark the bug private, or is there nothing sensitive in teh crash report? [15:11] mhall119, feel free to mark it private, we can always make it public again if it turns out that there is no sensitive data in it [15:11] ok [15:15] oSoMoN: I can't seem to upload an attachment at the moment, LP simply doesn't respond [15:25] mhall119, can you send it to me by e-mail? [15:54] seb128, you around? [15:56] jgdx, yes [15:56] g #sailfishos === BOHverkill_ is now known as BOHverkill [15:56] er.. probably oddest place in the world to typo that, sorry, ignore me [15:56] seb128, on the desktop, I get "online accounts no longer have access to ". What generates that? [15:57] jgdx, where do you get that? [15:57] when? [15:57] seb128, immediately after login [15:57] top right corner [15:57] : [15:57] p === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [15:59] notification? [15:59] seb128, yea [15:59] hi all... is there an irc client for uTouch? [15:59] jgdx, I'm not sure, mardy probably knows [16:00] seb128, okay, thanks [16:00] something in the online accounts stack [16:01] besneatte, terminal & ssh :P [16:01] (i really don't know) [16:01] haha [16:02] that would certainly work :) [16:02] I found a couple projects... ubuntu-irc and touch-irc... [16:03] I am guessing that's about it? using bitchx or weechat through ssh is a great idea tathhu [16:13] besneatte: If anyone can help me package up node.js, I might be able to produce a working quassel app [16:14] (the backend works but I need a UI) [16:17] mcphail: isnt there a runtime of node you can package up? [16:21] popey: not sure. I don't really understand it, which is the main problem. ogra_ has an automatic packager for snappy [16:21] I might be able to help with that [16:21] * mcphail pricks up his ears [16:23] you can surely try to use my script to create a click [16:24] ogra_: yes, I tried a while ago. But I needed different node.js and library versions. I don't really understand node or its package manager so gave up [16:24] the plumbing will be different for click thouh ... snappy allows me to just use a shell wrapper, you would have to find some equivalent for click (it wont allow a shell script as main executable) [16:24] ogra_: click is quite happy with a shell script [16:25] oh ? [16:25] in the .desktop file ? [16:25] i thoguoht that was denied [16:25] or do you mean when shipping busybox inside the click [16:25] ogra_: nope - unless it has changed in the past couple of months [16:26] ogra_: yes - I either use busybox or xhip the gnu binaries [16:26] *ship [16:26] ah, right [16:26] i tried to use the system shell once and that didnt work [16:26] you can use bash and any bash builtins [16:27] but anything fancier (like sed for example) must be bundled [17:08] hey [17:08] i am new here [17:09] * Sriram_Vadlamani slaps aavit around a bit with a large fishbot === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [18:32] Can I just flash Ubuntu on to my N7 on "top of" android6? [18:33] no [18:34] tathhu: are you trying to dual boot, or just replace android? [18:34] "on top of" seems to imply replacing it. [18:34] yeah sorry, i need more coffee :D [18:34] Replacing it, yes [18:35] tathhu: you need to flash android 4.4, boot into it, then reboot to bootloader, and then flash ubuntu with ubuntu-device-flash [18:35] I haven't tested that yet. (There's a chance the radio changed and might cause problems. Although on a N7, maybe that's not an issue.) [18:35] the kernel/recovery on the newer androids cause problems [18:35] dobey, thanks [18:36] dobey: it seemed to work fine on a N7 with a dual boot with Android 5.1.1. [18:36] But if you're just replacing Android altogether, it'd be smarter to drop back down to 4.4. anyway. [18:36] nhaines: multirom works differently [18:36] so yeah, multirom can work ok along 5.x at least [18:37] at least, it works ok with stock recovery. i've seen people have issues with other recovery images flashed on [18:38] Night stop hopping now, alltought battery life sucks on ubuntu [18:38] Or maybe it was just stuff on 5.x:P [18:38] Or LTE :F [18:38] Today I had issues with my bluetooth so I restarted my BQ Aquarius E4.5 but it didn't come on again and now I'm not able to switch it on anymore. Battery was full and now its plugged in but even the indicator Led stays off. Did anybody have this issue before or heard about it? [18:45] Battery on my N7 is nice. [18:45] I had tooo much battery drain while android lasts for days :( [18:47] I find that my N5 doesn't last more than maybe two days in Android. Been a very long time since I tried it in Ubuntu. [18:52] Would be nice to have just wifi-N7 so I could use faster server :( [18:53] solved the issue [18:58] meles: care to share how? [18:59] awe: sorry I didn't get a chance to ping you yesterday, but checking now to see if you found any info how I can find out of my inability to detect the cell networks is a hardware issue or a cell-network issue [19:00] bobloblian, I did spend some time looking at this yesterday, but unfortunately don't have any great news for you [19:00] bobloblian, my only suggestion at this point would be to see whether or not the other provider in your area works for you. [19:01] bobloblian, we're going to need to do more investigation with the modem vendor [19:01] basically, there are four bands for GSM [19:01] the US/CA use 850/1900, and Europe...most of the rest of the world use 900/1800 [19:02] the krillin device is supposed to support all four [19:02] but as it was originallly designed to be sold in Europe, my guess is that the internal fw is biased towards the Euro frequencies. [19:03] I'm able to use it here in Boston, but it's far from *good* [19:03] hm. well, I have already tried a sim card from the other provider, same deal, it doesn't detect any networks. [19:04] so does this mean that the phone may physically be able to detect the network, and a fw update may be coming in the future to fix the issue? [19:04] no [19:05] at this point there's no fw update, because we still don't fully understand the problem [19:05] question... how remote are you? Are you in a city center, and if not, have you tried in an area with known strong signal? [19:06] I have walked to within 100 meters of the tower and tested it there, pretty sure it's not a signal strength issue [19:06] as mentioned, even for me in Boston, 2g doesn't work very well. It takes quite a long time for the phone to register, and some areas there's no 2g coverage at all [19:07] wow, you know where the towers are? [19:08] bobloblian, have you filed a bug? [19:08] yep, there are 4 of them, have been to 2 of them, the others are on mountain tops, would have gone but didn't see the point after the first two didnt' work [19:08] I haven't filed a bug because I want to determine if this is a software or hardware problem first [19:09] if the issue is that the phone won't physically scan, then I need to go back to bqa [19:09] if it's a software problem, it's software that we're not able to modify [19:09] s/bqa/bq/ [19:09] also re: the system settings and manual vs. auto-registration [19:10] your SIM card controls this === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [19:10] when I was at the store, we tried my sim card in an android phone and it worked fine, and we tried the sim card from the same phone in my phone, and it didn't scan... [19:10] so it says "Mode=auto-only", then system settings won't try to list operators [19:10] that sim card was from the other provider [19:11] did it say "Searching" in the UI? [19:11] ( ie. the network indicator where the SIM cards are shown ) [19:11] yes, goes from searching, to unregistered, every once in a while it says denied [19:12] where do I check the "Mode=auto-only" setting? [19:12] is that in list-modems? [19:12] yes [19:12] under NetworkRegistration [19:12] I don't remmeber that, let me run it again... [19:14] under networkRegistration mode=auto, status=searching [19:14] name="" [19:15] actuall name= [19:15] but under gui I have it set to 2g only, not sure if that is relevant [19:16] so is the "Carrier" field not greyed out on your phone under Cellular settings? [19:17] in theory, having it set to 2g only shouldn't make a difference. That's all the phone is capable of [19:17] have you installed any other non-std software on it? [19:17] correct, I can select carrier, which brings me to another screen where I can tap carrier, there it spins for a few seconds, then leaves me with a checkmark beside automatically [19:18] phone is out of the box, got dekko and a few things installed, haven't enabled developer mode on it yet [19:18] ok [19:18] if you select "Carrier", on that screen you should see "Carrier" and "APN" [19:18] yes [19:18] carrier shows "none" [19:19] unfortunately, I don't have a SIM that allows me to specify manual registration [19:19] does the screen respond if you tap "none" ( ie. does it present you with any options? ) [19:20] as I understand it, there's supposed to be a control that allows you to select "auto" vs. a specific carrier [19:20] but only if the SIM alllows it [19:20] that is when I get the spinning circle for 4-20 seconds, then the checkmark beside the word automatically [19:20] ok, so it's probably because it's not picking up any carriers, and then falling back to auto [19:21] is the list-operators command supposed to show the list of networks that would be available? [19:22] yes, but you said previously that it doesn't report any operators, just /ril_0 and /ril_1 [19:22] correct [19:23] what's the other provider? [19:23] the first provider you mentioned was ice wireless [19:23] the other provider is bell [19:23] there is another provider telus, but they carry on the same equipment, so same thing, just different billing address [19:24] the bell equipment supports all the frequencies the phone does, on both 2g and 3g [19:24] so in theory, the phone should at least see those networks under list-operators [19:26] I guess my next step is to dig into the ofono docs and see if I can get some sort of debug info... [19:26] there isn't any [19:26] again, network registration is handled by the modem fw [19:26] heh. would explain why I haven't found it yet ;) [19:27] the closest I've found is that there's a RF configuration mode [19:27] which may be used to pin the device to a particular set of frequencies [19:27] unfortunately, the BQ device only supports 0 ( automatic ), 1 ( Europe ), and 3 ( Japan ) [19:28] so as I mentioned earlier, the only thing I can do now is to reach out to the modem vendor for more information [19:28] but atm, there's not much more I can do to help... [19:29] I checked Ice Wireless' site, and they only include 3g in their coverage map [19:29] you have been more than helpful already, I think I already owe you a couple cases of beer... [19:29] I know you mentioned an android device [19:30] have you tried setting it to 2g [19:30] and seeing how well it works? [19:30] hm, the android device isn't mine, it belonged to the guy who works at the store where I got my sim card [19:30] * awe a couple of cases of canadian beer; damn, that would make my day [19:30] * awe used to drive to Montreal for Molson Brador [19:30] But I could go back down their and get them to try again [19:31] hmm [19:31] ok [19:31] we canadians like our beer ;) [19:31] that at least would give us an apples to apples comparison [19:31] otherwise the android phone may have been operating on 3g [19:31] this really could be a coverage issue with the 2g network [19:32] okay, I can probably get there later this afternoon, I will do that and ping you some time tomorrow to let you know how it went [19:33] ok, thanks much. If I learn anything more, I'll email you direct. Was planning on doing that later today anyways... [19:33] 2015/10/15 21:54:21 Flashing version 2 from ubuntu-touch/vivid channel and server http://system-image.tasemnice.eu to device deb [19:33] 46.90 MB / 46.90 MB [=====================================] 100.00 % 67.01 KB/s [19:33] 144.37 MB / 335.05 MB [===>______] 43.09 % 63.68 KB/s 51145.26 MB / 335.05 MB [============================>______________________________________] 43.36 % 63.54 KB/s 50m58s [19:33] hnng [19:33] w00ps [19:33] excellent. Thanks again for looking into this, I really can't say how much I appreciate it [19:34] tathhu, thanks for the ascii art :) [19:34] tathhu: you'll make it. :) [19:35] ogra_, no problem :P [19:36] :) [19:36] nhaines, yep, whatching counter-strike so this isn't real problem :P [20:16] 1min \o/ [20:26] hmm [20:26] failed to enter recovery and it's on recovery... [20:26] okay.jpg [20:30] rebooted and now it's pushng files \o/ [20:30] \o/ [20:51] Woops, vidid is.. like.. old. Anything more ota6'ish? :P === curtness is now known as strahtw === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [21:25] tathhu: you'll want to use the ubuntu-rtm/release or /14.04 branch or whatever it's called nowadays. === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [21:30] thanks <3 [21:30] 1h download.. maybe tomorrow :P [21:31] Remember to queue it up befor bed. :) === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [21:40] uhhhh now server seems to work, only 8min :P [21:40] might do it while playing, rrrip === salem_ is now known as _salem