[17:46]  * nhaines yawns.
[17:47] <nhaines> Well, looks like the Ubucon announcement is going out tomorrow.
[17:54] <akk> eek, 2 weeks to SCALE CFP deadline, gotta come up with a topic ...
[17:54] <akk> oh, wow, cory doctorow!
[17:54] <akk> Heard him speak once and he was fabulous.
[17:56] <nhaines> akk: we'll announce the Ubucon keynote speaker tomorrow, too.  It'll be really exciting.
[17:57] <akk> Looking forward to it! You've been hinting at all these exciting things all along ... :)
[17:58] <nhaines> I'll leak that we're calling it "Ubucon Summit at SCaLE 14X" but the rest has to wait.  David Planella will be posting the announcement so it'll be on the Fridge and Planet Ubuntu, and I'll get something ready for the mailing lists if he doesn't crosspost.
[17:59]  * akk wonders whether people would rather hear about GIMP tricks or Raspberry Pi automated cameras
[17:59] <nhaines> GIMP tricks with Raspberry Pi automated cameras.
[17:59] <akk> heh
[18:00] <nhaines> It's possible now with snappy!
[18:00] <akk> This snappy? http://google.github.io/snappy/
[18:00] <darthrobot`> Title: [Snappy by google]
[18:01] <nhaines> This snappy: http://www.ubuntu.com/internet-of-things
[18:01] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu Core on the Internet of Things | Ubuntu]
[18:03] <akk> That doesn't really explain it. Snappy is a small optimized Ubuntu, or something?
[18:05] <nhaines> It's a read-only Ubuntu Core system image, like the phone, and applications and frameworks are installed in sandboxes (also like the phone), and it runs on the RPi2 and they've made a tool that converts deb packages to snap packages.
[18:06] <akk> That sounds fun, though not something I'd need for things like my pi cam.
[18:07] <akk> If frameworks are in sandboxes how do they access system-level things like GPIO?
[18:08] <akk> Some kind of phone-like permission model, "This app and this framework needs permission to use GPIO ... agree?" ?
[18:08] <nhaines> The framework for that is manually reviewed, but you can use a command to grant specific hardware access to specific snapps.
[18:09] <nhaines> Yes, but at the moment it's manually specified.  I think there's a way to pre-specify it, and I suspect that Canonical would manually review that before it went into the store.
[18:14] <nhaines> Come sometime between May 2016 and Ubuntu 16.10, you'll be able to run Snappy Personal as a full-fledged desktop system.
[18:19] <akk> Aimed at people who'd get a chromebook, because they're super worried about desktop security?
[18:20] <nhaines> Aimed at the casual desktop user who doesn't change anything anyway.
[18:20] <nhaines> But it'll mean that any app can get the latest updates without worrying about dependancies.
[18:22] <b-yeezi> Will Canonical be repackaging all the upstream Debian apps into Snap packages or will that have to be done by each developer?
[18:23] <nhaines> b-yeezi: most likely, Canonical will be packaging all of the Ubuntu repository apps.  Details about ongoing updates are not worked out yet.  But each developer will be able to package updates independently.
[18:34] <b-yeezi> Sounds complicated. I hope it works ok
[18:37] <nhaines> Not particularly.  An end user goes into the Ubuntu App Store, clicks an app, and it's automatically downloaded, installed, and receives updates.  Works identical to today's process.
[18:37] <b-yeezi> oh ok