| flocculant | ochosi: open a terminal - open another - and another - they all open on top of each other | 01:38 |
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| bluesabre | flocculant, knome: in case we're doing any notes for the RC, updated app versions between vivid and wily, http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu15-10rc | 04:15 |
| Unit193 | Up late, you are. | 04:18 |
| bluesabre | night all | 04:18 |
| bluesabre | :D | 04:18 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: working on release notes blog post stuff and watching Colbert | 04:18 |
| Unit193 | Nice! | 04:18 |
| bluesabre | but yeah, bed time :D | 04:19 |
| bluesabre | nighty | 04:19 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: they're likely freezing today and then spinning the images tomorrow | 07:38 |
| flocculant | so - no RC notes :p but gives us a week to do the Final ones \o/ | 07:38 |
| flocculant | I'll use that pad to build the wiki notes | 07:49 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: cool | 10:52 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: hey :) | 10:56 |
| flocculant | don't forget the meeting you're running tomorrow ;) | 10:56 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: good idea | 10:56 |
| bluesabre | :D | 10:56 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 10:56 |
| flocculant | I'll likely be about for both | 10:57 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: cool | 10:57 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: did you catch my comment a few days ago re parole in ppa and parole in livesession - if not will be getting the parole one for wily? fixes an irritant | 10:58 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: if you're comfortable with what's in the PPA, I can quickly do a release of 0.8.1 and upload it | 10:59 |
| flocculant | I've not seen anything to question that | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | alrighty then | 11:00 |
| flocculant | thanks :) | 11:00 |
| bluesabre | wowza, got quite a few translations in there as well | 11:01 |
| flocculant | I assume that's good then :D | 11:02 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: do you see any point in adding changelogs to the wiki release notes - given that's supposed to be the technical one | 11:11 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: we could, but we should consider which things we want to be verbose about | 11:12 |
| flocculant | ok - well how about I spend 30 minutes trudging through - then you remove what you want | 11:13 |
| flocculant | I'd rather get that done while I've got some time than next week ;) | 11:13 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: makes sense to me | 11:14 |
| flocculant | ok - I'll do that *now* then | 11:14 |
| bluesabre | I've got a few release notes as blog posts on my site for catfish, menulibre, mugshot, xfpanel-switch, https://smdavis.us/ | 11:15 |
| flocculant | yep - I was going to use your ones where available - otherwise just the http://changelogs.ubuntu.com one | 11:16 |
| flocculant | actually what I'll do is move ones with your posts to 'major' and the ones with the ubuntu one lower | 11:16 |
| bluesabre | sounds good to me | 11:18 |
| sidi_ | What's the ML for Xubuntu users? | 11:23 |
| flocculant | xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com | 11:23 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: middle click on the pad has driven me insane ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/flocculant/sandbox | 11:25 |
| flocculant | sidi_: ^^^ | 11:25 |
| sidi_ | flocculant, thanks! | 11:26 |
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| bluesabre | yay, release manager didn't crash when doing an xfce release | 11:41 |
| flocculant | :) | 11:42 |
| davmor2 | fluke | 11:44 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: ok - so a good start made on those notes now - time for lunch :) | 11:55 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: when you say - New hidden setting to persistently hide the menubar - do you mean hidden until parole is started again? | 11:58 |
| flocculant | hope so - or I'll be the bearer of bad news again ... | 11:59 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: ochosi wrote it... :D | 11:59 |
| flocculant | ochosi: ^^ ;) | 11:59 |
| flocculant | unless the hidden setting is hidden somewhere ofc - in which case that's working well :p | 12:00 |
| bluesabre | anyway, once I can confirm this build I'll go ahead and upload | 12:00 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: I think its an option from settings editor | 12:00 |
| bluesabre | hide-menubar (bool) | 12:00 |
| bluesabre | just hiding the menubar is per session, the setting makes it permanent | 12:00 |
| flocculant | mmm - can't see that | 12:01 |
| flocculant | at least not in settings - parole | 12:02 |
| flocculant | http://i.imgur.com/Pl1xNNA.png | 12:05 |
| flocculant | mind you - if this is one of those - it won't change existing files but is good in new installs - then I wouldn't | 12:06 |
| bluesabre | yeah, its hidden, has to be added | 12:08 |
| flocculant | ok - so we'll document that somewhere I assume | 12:09 |
| bluesabre | I can dig around later and let you know what the key is | 12:09 |
| flocculant | faq page gets a little bit bigger :p | 12:09 |
| bluesabre | yeah, will add it to the parole docs | 12:09 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I don't use it - but drc might like to know it :) | 12:09 |
| bluesabre | Uploading to Ubuntu | 12:17 |
| flocculant | what a lovely chap you are | 12:18 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: Upload, waiting for approval... might want to keep an eye on -release in case there are any questions that need an ack | 12:18 |
| flocculant | yep will do :) | 12:19 |
| flocculant | back shortly - need some lunch and will get the chippy to supply it today :) | 12:20 |
| bluesabre | need to run to work now, bbl | 12:23 |
| flocculant | cya | 12:45 |
| flocculant | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1501454 | 18:30 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1501454 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501454). The error has been logged | 18:30 |
| flocculant | mmm - so we're getting these thunar bugs lately - just got it here | 18:30 |
| flocculant | bunch of dupes of a private one | 18:30 |
| ochosi | flocculant: don't worry about the menubar setting, it's false by default and has to be added via xfconf-query or the xfce4-settings-editor | 19:08 |
| ochosi | so those ppl who do that know where to change the setting back ;) | 19:08 |
| ochosi | and yeah, i guess i can confirm the terminal issue you mentioned | 19:09 |
| flocculant | ochosi: yep - got the control added here | 19:15 |
| flocculant | trying to get parole updated currently :) | 19:15 |
| flocculant | bluesabre did his bit earlier today | 19:15 |
| ochosi | it's really just a slightly geeky hidden setting for those who want to replace mplayer with parole ;) | 19:16 |
| flocculant | :) | 19:16 |
| flocculant | well - as much as we can get in now in wily - makes xx simpler as a fix all we can thing I guess | 19:16 |
| flocculant | and of course once I know about something - it annoys me if I've not got it :D | 19:17 |
| ochosi | hehe | 19:23 |
| ochosi | sure | 19:23 |
| flocculant | knome: ok - so then that didn't help - what it did was lose all the changes I'd made ... | 20:09 |
| knome | flocculant, wut? | 20:26 |
| flocculant | <flocculant> knome: ok so - if I've grabbed the xub docs then done all the build thing to that, how do I then push any changes back? | 20:27 |
| flocculant | <flocculant> cos - it's all changed now after the build :) | 20:27 |
| flocculant | <knome> make clean | 20:27 |
| flocculant | so that just blitzed all the changes I'd made ;) | 20:27 |
| knome | nope, it should just rm the build dir | 20:27 |
| knome | ...which isn't where you should do changes if you did that :P | 20:28 |
| flocculant | well given the dearth of information on docs - where should I have changed them | 20:28 |
| knome | heh, docs on docs | 20:28 |
| knome | under desktop-guide/C/* | 20:28 |
| knome | which is where the docbook files are located at | 20:29 |
| knome | (yeah, no html editing here, it's just the output format!) | 20:29 |
| flocculant | mmm | 20:29 |
| flocculant | not what I see here | 20:29 |
| knome | hmm? | 20:29 |
| knome | what do you see then? :D | 20:29 |
| flocculant | xml | 20:30 |
| knome | yeah | 20:30 |
| knome | that's what you *SHOULD* see | 20:30 |
| knome | as i said, html is just the output format | 20:30 |
| knome | we don't edit the docs in html | 20:30 |
| knome | ... | 20:30 |
| flocculant | well I did | 20:30 |
| knome | hah, well | 20:30 |
| knome | that's not the usual procedure | 20:31 |
| knome | and the answer for how do you get the stuff you edited from html to the docs... manually | 20:31 |
| flocculant | well it might not be - perhaps you could point me to where it says what to do then | 20:31 |
| knome | or in other words, "you don't" | 20:31 |
| * knome looks if we have exact enough docs for docs | 20:31 | |
| flocculant | where? | 20:31 |
| knome | website or wiki | 20:32 |
| knome | i can't remember what we say | 20:32 |
| flocculant | we say nothing | 20:32 |
| flocculant | just point to hundreds of links | 20:32 |
| knome | possible | 20:32 |
| knome | yep, true | 20:33 |
| knome | but for some kind of defense, the build dir doesn't exist until you build :) | 20:33 |
| flocculant | and then you find the ubuntu doc wiki pages and it's just 'how did a doc team make things so hard to find' when you get there :| | 20:33 |
| knome | lol | 20:33 |
| knome | the ubuntu doc wiki pages are awful, i admit | 20:34 |
| knome | we should sign off from all of that and write our own | 20:34 |
| knome | ^ no kidding, i'm totally serious | 20:34 |
| flocculant | anyway - when I can be bothered to do all this again - desktop-guide/C/ | 20:34 |
| knome | (even if i have no pants on currently...) | 20:34 |
| flocculant | yea - I would agree with that | 20:34 |
| flocculant | ha ha | 20:34 |
| knome | and yes, desktop-guide/C/ | 20:35 |
| flocculant | I did say to slickymaster the other day that there should be a simple how to start thing (bzr, packages you need) thing | 20:35 |
| flocculant | ok | 20:35 |
| knome | yep | 20:35 |
| knome | slickymaster, you around today? | 20:35 |
| flocculant | on the other hand - I did edit the html for it all properly - at least it all looked correct :D | 20:36 |
| knome | :E | 20:36 |
| knome | good job | 20:36 |
| knome | though... docbook is a different beast | 20:36 |
| knome | well for the best - it's very similar | 20:36 |
| ochosi | Unit193: woot, 1.1.15 uploaded to ubuntu too? | 20:36 |
| knome | "only" different tags | 20:36 |
| flocculant | right | 20:36 |
| knome | you'll get the gist of it quickly | 20:37 |
| flocculant | on the positive side - it's going to be easier to do offline-packages in xml than html ... | 20:37 |
| knome | likely so.. | 20:37 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: No, in http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/gmusicbrowser.git | 20:37 |
| knome | the html output from our docs is a bit dirty :P | 20:37 |
| ochosi | Unit193: oh ok, i guess it's too late for wily anyway | 20:38 |
| ochosi | hmm, almost done with xfce4-notifyd gtk3 support in greybird... | 20:38 |
| flocculant | knome: and the front page? xubuntu-docs/startpage/xubuntu-index-start.htx ? | 20:39 |
| knome | flocculant, yep, and -end- | 20:39 |
| flocculant | yep - just checking the path ;) | 20:39 |
| knome | but i'll likely try to push the startpage under the desktop-guide too | 20:40 |
| knome | so only docbook after that | 20:40 |
| knome | bbiab, sauna | 20:40 |
| knome | flocculant, this should now be a tad more useful: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/documentation/ | 21:03 |
| flocculant | :) | 21:04 |
| flocculant | quick question knome - how to ,strong> or <em> in docbook? | 21:05 |
| knome | uhm | 21:05 |
| knome | good one | 21:05 |
| knome | depends on the situation | 21:05 |
| knome | docbook has very semantic tags | 21:05 |
| flocculant | words withiin a sentence | 21:05 |
| flocculant | spelt properly though | 21:06 |
| knome | yeaah, but what are those words for? | 21:06 |
| knome | we don't do "just emphasis" i think | 21:06 |
| flocculant | yea we do | 21:07 |
| knome | where? | 21:07 |
| flocculant | like <literal>monkey</literal> | 21:08 |
| knome | yeah | 21:08 |
| flocculant | so I found out :) | 21:08 |
| knome | so as you can see | 21:08 |
| knome | if it's something that's literally like that in the screen, then use <literal> | 21:08 |
| flocculant | so <literallybold> | 21:08 |
| knome | if it's an application name, use <application> | 21:08 |
| flocculant | :p | 21:08 |
| knome | if it's a gui label, use <guilabel> | 21:08 |
| knome | or if it's a thing the user needs to input, then you should use <userinput> | 21:09 |
| flocculant | empasis | 21:10 |
| knome | these things might look similar in the output, but if we decide that we want to change the looks later for a certain thing, we'd better use semantic tags now :P | 21:10 |
| flocculant | right | 21:10 |
| knome | but don't be too hard on yourself on getting everything right the first time | 21:11 |
| knome | we'll have to review it anyway :P | 21:11 |
| flocculant | yea of course | 21:11 |
| knome | but again, for the better part - | 21:11 |
| knome | there are examples of pretty much everything you can imagine | 21:11 |
| knome | so just find another spot on the docs that does what you want, and see what the source says there | 21:11 |
| knome | and you can't go too much wrong | 21:12 |
| flocculant | yep - that's what I just did | 21:12 |
| knome | yep | 21:12 |
| flocculant | not doing anymore of it twice today though :D | 21:12 |
| knome | and for the &entities;, check desktop-guide/libs/xubuntu.ent | 21:12 |
| knome | we're keeping for example all urls there | 21:12 |
| knome | and just using the entity in the <ulink> tag | 21:12 |
| knome | menu paths too | 21:13 |
| knome | you'll see they can be daunting | 21:13 |
| knome | ok, back to sauna one more time | 21:14 |
| knome | bbiab again | 21:14 |
| flocculant | k - thanks, that's all helpful | 21:14 |
| knome | np | 21:14 |
| knome | aaaahhh | 21:31 |
| flocculant | :) | 21:33 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: any word on parole upload? | 21:38 |
| bluesabre | getting ready to run out again | 21:39 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: I asked in -release earlier - nothing so far, I think infinity is on odd hours :) | 21:41 |
| bluesabre | I saw doko ask if there was an ffe in -devel, didn't know if somebody determined that it really wasnt a new feature | 21:43 |
| bluesabre | I'll try to ping again myself when I get back | 21:44 |
| flocculant | ok | 21:52 |
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