[01:38] ochosi: open a terminal - open another - and another - they all open on top of each other [04:15] flocculant, knome: in case we're doing any notes for the RC, updated app versions between vivid and wily, http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu15-10rc [04:18] Up late, you are. [04:18] night all [04:18] :D [04:18] Unit193: working on release notes blog post stuff and watching Colbert [04:18] Nice! [04:19] but yeah, bed time :D [04:19] nighty [07:38] bluesabre: they're likely freezing today and then spinning the images tomorrow [07:38] so - no RC notes :p but gives us a week to do the Final ones \o/ [07:49] I'll use that pad to build the wiki notes [10:52] flocculant: cool [10:56] bluesabre: hey :) [10:56] don't forget the meeting you're running tomorrow ;) [10:56] flocculant: good idea [10:56] :D [10:56] ha ha ha [10:57] I'll likely be about for both [10:57] flocculant: cool [10:58] bluesabre: did you catch my comment a few days ago re parole in ppa and parole in livesession - if not will be getting the parole one for wily? fixes an irritant [10:59] flocculant: if you're comfortable with what's in the PPA, I can quickly do a release of 0.8.1 and upload it [11:00] I've not seen anything to question that [11:00] alrighty then [11:00] thanks :) [11:01] wowza, got quite a few translations in there as well [11:02] I assume that's good then :D [11:11] bluesabre: do you see any point in adding changelogs to the wiki release notes - given that's supposed to be the technical one [11:12] flocculant: we could, but we should consider which things we want to be verbose about [11:13] ok - well how about I spend 30 minutes trudging through - then you remove what you want [11:13] I'd rather get that done while I've got some time than next week ;) [11:14] flocculant: makes sense to me [11:14] ok - I'll do that *now* then [11:15] I've got a few release notes as blog posts on my site for catfish, menulibre, mugshot, xfpanel-switch, https://smdavis.us/ [11:16] yep - I was going to use your ones where available - otherwise just the http://changelogs.ubuntu.com one [11:16] actually what I'll do is move ones with your posts to 'major' and the ones with the ubuntu one lower [11:18] sounds good to me [11:23] What's the ML for Xubuntu users? [11:23] xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com [11:25] bluesabre: middle click on the pad has driven me insane ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/flocculant/sandbox [11:25] sidi_: ^^^ [11:26] flocculant, thanks! === sidi_ is now known as sidi [11:41] yay, release manager didn't crash when doing an xfce release [11:42] :) [11:44] fluke [11:55] bluesabre: ok - so a good start made on those notes now - time for lunch :) [11:58] bluesabre: when you say - New hidden setting to persistently hide the menubar - do you mean hidden until parole is started again? [11:59] hope so - or I'll be the bearer of bad news again ... [11:59] flocculant: ochosi wrote it... :D [11:59] ochosi: ^^ ;) [12:00] unless the hidden setting is hidden somewhere ofc - in which case that's working well :p [12:00] anyway, once I can confirm this build I'll go ahead and upload [12:00] flocculant: I think its an option from settings editor [12:00] hide-menubar (bool) [12:00] just hiding the menubar is per session, the setting makes it permanent [12:01] mmm - can't see that [12:02] at least not in settings - parole [12:05] http://i.imgur.com/Pl1xNNA.png [12:06] mind you - if this is one of those - it won't change existing files but is good in new installs - then I wouldn't [12:08] yeah, its hidden, has to be added [12:09] ok - so we'll document that somewhere I assume [12:09] I can dig around later and let you know what the key is [12:09] faq page gets a little bit bigger :p [12:09] yeah, will add it to the parole docs [12:09] bluesabre: I don't use it - but drc might like to know it :) [12:17] Uploading to Ubuntu [12:18] what a lovely chap you are [12:18] flocculant: Upload, waiting for approval... might want to keep an eye on -release in case there are any questions that need an ack [12:19] yep will do :) [12:20] back shortly - need some lunch and will get the chippy to supply it today :) [12:23] need to run to work now, bbl [12:45] cya [18:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1501454 [18:30] Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1501454 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501454). The error has been logged [18:30] mmm - so we're getting these thunar bugs lately - just got it here [18:30] bunch of dupes of a private one [19:08] flocculant: don't worry about the menubar setting, it's false by default and has to be added via xfconf-query or the xfce4-settings-editor [19:08] so those ppl who do that know where to change the setting back ;) [19:09] and yeah, i guess i can confirm the terminal issue you mentioned [19:15] ochosi: yep - got the control added here [19:15] trying to get parole updated currently :) [19:15] bluesabre did his bit earlier today [19:16] it's really just a slightly geeky hidden setting for those who want to replace mplayer with parole ;) [19:16] :) [19:16] well - as much as we can get in now in wily - makes xx simpler as a fix all we can thing I guess [19:17] and of course once I know about something - it annoys me if I've not got it :D [19:23] hehe [19:23] sure [20:09] knome: ok - so then that didn't help - what it did was lose all the changes I'd made ... [20:26] flocculant, wut? [20:27] knome: ok so - if I've grabbed the xub docs then done all the build thing to that, how do I then push any changes back? [20:27] cos - it's all changed now after the build :) [20:27] make clean [20:27] so that just blitzed all the changes I'd made ;) [20:27] nope, it should just rm the build dir [20:28] ...which isn't where you should do changes if you did that :P [20:28] well given the dearth of information on docs - where should I have changed them [20:28] heh, docs on docs [20:28] under desktop-guide/C/* [20:29] which is where the docbook files are located at [20:29] (yeah, no html editing here, it's just the output format!) [20:29] mmm [20:29] not what I see here [20:29] hmm? [20:29] what do you see then? :D [20:30] xml [20:30] yeah [20:30] that's what you *SHOULD* see [20:30] as i said, html is just the output format [20:30] we don't edit the docs in html [20:30] ... [20:30] well I did [20:30] hah, well [20:31] that's not the usual procedure [20:31] and the answer for how do you get the stuff you edited from html to the docs... manually [20:31] well it might not be - perhaps you could point me to where it says what to do then [20:31] or in other words, "you don't" [20:31] * knome looks if we have exact enough docs for docs [20:31] where? [20:32] website or wiki [20:32] i can't remember what we say [20:32] we say nothing [20:32] just point to hundreds of links [20:32] possible [20:33] yep, true [20:33] but for some kind of defense, the build dir doesn't exist until you build :) [20:33] and then you find the ubuntu doc wiki pages and it's just 'how did a doc team make things so hard to find' when you get there :| [20:33] lol [20:34] the ubuntu doc wiki pages are awful, i admit [20:34] we should sign off from all of that and write our own [20:34] ^ no kidding, i'm totally serious [20:34] anyway - when I can be bothered to do all this again - desktop-guide/C/ [20:34] (even if i have no pants on currently...) [20:34] yea - I would agree with that [20:34] ha ha [20:35] and yes, desktop-guide/C/ [20:35] I did say to slickymaster the other day that there should be a simple how to start thing (bzr, packages you need) thing [20:35] ok [20:35] yep [20:35] slickymaster, you around today? [20:36] on the other hand - I did edit the html for it all properly - at least it all looked correct :D [20:36] :E [20:36] good job [20:36] though... docbook is a different beast [20:36] well for the best - it's very similar [20:36] Unit193: woot, 1.1.15 uploaded to ubuntu too? [20:36] "only" different tags [20:36] right [20:37] you'll get the gist of it quickly [20:37] on the positive side - it's going to be easier to do offline-packages in xml than html ... [20:37] likely so.. [20:37] ochosi: No, in http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/gmusicbrowser.git [20:37] the html output from our docs is a bit dirty :P [20:38] Unit193: oh ok, i guess it's too late for wily anyway [20:38] hmm, almost done with xfce4-notifyd gtk3 support in greybird... [20:39] knome: and the front page? xubuntu-docs/startpage/xubuntu-index-start.htx ? [20:39] flocculant, yep, and -end- [20:39] yep - just checking the path ;) [20:40] but i'll likely try to push the startpage under the desktop-guide too [20:40] so only docbook after that [20:40] bbiab, sauna [21:03] flocculant, this should now be a tad more useful: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/documentation/ [21:04] :) [21:05] quick question knome - how to ,strong> or in docbook? [21:05] uhm [21:05] good one [21:05] depends on the situation [21:05] docbook has very semantic tags [21:05] words withiin a sentence [21:06] spelt properly though [21:06] yeaah, but what are those words for? [21:06] we don't do "just emphasis" i think [21:07] yea we do [21:07] where? [21:08] like monkey [21:08] yeah [21:08] so I found out :) [21:08] so as you can see [21:08] if it's something that's literally like that in the screen, then use [21:08] so [21:08] if it's an application name, use [21:08] :p [21:08] if it's a gui label, use [21:09] or if it's a thing the user needs to input, then you should use [21:10] empasis [21:10] these things might look similar in the output, but if we decide that we want to change the looks later for a certain thing, we'd better use semantic tags now :P [21:10] right [21:11] but don't be too hard on yourself on getting everything right the first time [21:11] we'll have to review it anyway :P [21:11] yea of course [21:11] but again, for the better part - [21:11] there are examples of pretty much everything you can imagine [21:11] so just find another spot on the docs that does what you want, and see what the source says there [21:12] and you can't go too much wrong [21:12] yep - that's what I just did [21:12] yep [21:12] not doing anymore of it twice today though :D [21:12] and for the &entities;, check desktop-guide/libs/xubuntu.ent [21:12] we're keeping for example all urls there [21:12] and just using the entity in the tag [21:13] menu paths too [21:13] you'll see they can be daunting [21:14] ok, back to sauna one more time [21:14] bbiab again [21:14] k - thanks, that's all helpful [21:14] np [21:31] aaaahhh [21:33] :) [21:38] flocculant: any word on parole upload? [21:39] getting ready to run out again [21:41] bluesabre: I asked in -release earlier - nothing so far, I think infinity is on odd hours :) [21:43] I saw doko ask if there was an ffe in -devel, didn't know if somebody determined that it really wasnt a new feature [21:44] I'll try to ping again myself when I get back [21:52] ok