[01:38] <flocculant> ochosi: open a terminal - open another - and another - they all open on top of each other
[04:15] <bluesabre> flocculant, knome: in case we're doing any notes for the RC, updated app versions between vivid and wily, http://pad.ubuntu.com/xubuntu15-10rc
[04:18] <Unit193> Up late, you are.
[04:18] <bluesabre> night all
[04:18] <bluesabre> :D
[04:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: working on release notes blog post stuff and watching Colbert
[04:18] <Unit193> Nice!
[04:19] <bluesabre> but yeah, bed time :D
[04:19] <bluesabre> nighty
[07:38] <flocculant> bluesabre: they're likely freezing today and then spinning the images tomorrow
[07:38] <flocculant> so - no RC notes :p but gives us a week to do the Final ones \o/
[07:49] <flocculant> I'll use that pad to build the wiki notes 
[10:52] <bluesabre> flocculant: cool
[10:56] <flocculant> bluesabre: hey :) 
[10:56] <flocculant> don't forget the meeting you're running tomorrow ;)
[10:56] <bluesabre> flocculant: good idea
[10:56] <bluesabre> :D
[10:56] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[10:57] <flocculant> I'll likely be about for both 
[10:57] <bluesabre> flocculant: cool
[10:58] <flocculant> bluesabre: did you catch my comment a few days ago re parole in ppa and parole in livesession - if not will be getting the parole one for wily? fixes an irritant 
[10:59] <bluesabre> flocculant: if you're comfortable with what's in the PPA, I can quickly do a release of 0.8.1 and upload it
[11:00] <flocculant> I've not seen anything to question that 
[11:00] <bluesabre> alrighty then
[11:00] <flocculant> thanks :)
[11:01] <bluesabre> wowza, got quite a few translations in there as well
[11:02] <flocculant> I assume that's good then :D
[11:11] <flocculant> bluesabre: do you see any point in adding changelogs to the wiki release notes - given that's supposed to be the technical one 
[11:12] <bluesabre> flocculant: we could, but we should consider which things we want to be verbose about
[11:13] <flocculant> ok - well how about I spend 30 minutes trudging through - then you remove what you want 
[11:13] <flocculant> I'd rather get that done while I've got some time than next week ;)
[11:14] <bluesabre> flocculant: makes sense to me
[11:14] <flocculant> ok - I'll do that *now* then 
[11:15] <bluesabre> I've got a few release notes as blog posts on my site for catfish, menulibre, mugshot, xfpanel-switch, https://smdavis.us/
[11:16] <flocculant> yep - I was going to use your ones where available - otherwise just the http://changelogs.ubuntu.com one
[11:16] <flocculant> actually what I'll do is move ones with your posts to 'major' and the ones with the ubuntu one lower
[11:18] <bluesabre> sounds good to me
[11:23] <sidi_> What's the ML for Xubuntu users?
[11:23] <flocculant> xubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: middle click on the pad has driven me insane ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/flocculant/sandbox 
[11:25] <flocculant> sidi_: ^^^
[11:26] <sidi_> flocculant, thanks!
[11:41] <bluesabre> yay, release manager didn't crash when doing an xfce release
[11:42] <flocculant> :)
[11:44] <davmor2> fluke
[11:55] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - so a good start made on those notes now - time for lunch :)
[11:58] <flocculant> bluesabre: when you say - New hidden setting to persistently hide the menubar - do you mean hidden until parole is started again? 
[11:59] <flocculant> hope so - or I'll be the bearer of bad news again ... 
[11:59] <bluesabre> flocculant: ochosi wrote it... :D
[11:59] <flocculant> ochosi: ^^ ;)
[12:00] <flocculant> unless the hidden setting is hidden somewhere ofc - in which case that's working well :p
[12:00] <bluesabre> anyway, once I can confirm this build I'll go ahead and upload
[12:00] <bluesabre> flocculant: I think its an option from settings editor
[12:00] <bluesabre> hide-menubar (bool)
[12:00] <bluesabre> just hiding the menubar is per session, the setting makes it permanent
[12:01] <flocculant> mmm - can't see that 
[12:02] <flocculant> at least not in settings - parole
[12:05] <flocculant> http://i.imgur.com/Pl1xNNA.png
[12:06] <flocculant> mind you - if this is one of those - it won't change existing files but is good in new installs - then I wouldn't 
[12:08] <bluesabre> yeah, its hidden, has to be added
[12:09] <flocculant> ok - so we'll document that somewhere I assume
[12:09] <bluesabre> I can dig around later and let you know what the key is
[12:09] <flocculant> faq page gets a little bit bigger :p
[12:09] <bluesabre> yeah, will add it to the parole docs
[12:09] <flocculant> bluesabre: I don't use it - but drc might like to know it :)
[12:17] <bluesabre> Uploading to Ubuntu
[12:18] <flocculant> what a lovely chap you are 
[12:18] <bluesabre> flocculant: Upload, waiting for approval... might want to keep an eye on -release in case there are any questions that need an ack
[12:19] <flocculant> yep will do :)
[12:20] <flocculant> back shortly - need some lunch and will get the chippy to supply it today :)
[12:23] <bluesabre> need to run to work now, bbl
[12:45] <flocculant> cya 
[18:30] <flocculant> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1501454
[18:30] <flocculant> mmm - so we're getting these thunar bugs lately - just got it here
[18:30] <flocculant> bunch of dupes of a private one
[19:08] <ochosi> flocculant: don't worry about the menubar setting, it's false by default and has to be added via xfconf-query or the xfce4-settings-editor
[19:08] <ochosi> so those ppl who do that know where to change the setting back ;)
[19:09] <ochosi> and yeah, i guess i can confirm the terminal issue you mentioned
[19:15] <flocculant> ochosi: yep - got the control added here 
[19:15] <flocculant> trying to get parole updated currently :)
[19:15] <flocculant> bluesabre did his bit earlier today 
[19:16] <ochosi> it's really just a slightly geeky hidden setting for those who want to replace mplayer with parole ;)
[19:16] <flocculant> :)
[19:16] <flocculant> well - as much as we can get in now in wily - makes xx simpler as a fix all we can thing I guess 
[19:17] <flocculant> and of course once I know about something - it annoys me if I've not got it :D
[19:23] <ochosi> hehe
[19:23] <ochosi> sure
[20:09] <flocculant> knome: ok - so then that didn't help - what it did was lose all the changes I'd made ... 
[20:26] <knome> flocculant, wut?
 knome: ok so - if I've grabbed the xub docs then done all the build thing to that, how do I then push any changes back? 
 cos - it's all changed now after the build :)
 make clean
[20:27] <flocculant> so that just blitzed all the changes I'd made ;)
[20:27] <knome> nope, it should just rm the build dir
[20:28] <knome> ...which isn't where you should do changes if you did that :P
[20:28] <flocculant> well given the dearth of information on docs - where should I have changed them 
[20:28] <knome> heh, docs on docs
[20:28] <knome> under desktop-guide/C/*
[20:29] <knome> which is where the docbook files are located at
[20:29] <knome> (yeah, no html editing here, it's just the output format!)
[20:29] <flocculant> mmm 
[20:29] <flocculant> not what I see here 
[20:29] <knome> hmm?
[20:29] <knome> what do you see then? :D
[20:30] <flocculant> xml 
[20:30] <knome> yeah
[20:30] <knome> that's what you *SHOULD* see
[20:30] <knome> as i said, html is just the output format
[20:30] <knome> we don't edit the docs in html
[20:30] <knome> ...
[20:30] <flocculant> well I did 
[20:30] <knome> hah, well
[20:31] <knome> that's not the usual procedure
[20:31] <knome> and the answer for how do you get the stuff you edited from html to the docs... manually
[20:31] <flocculant> well it might not be - perhaps you could point me to where it says what to do then 
[20:31] <knome> or in other words, "you don't"
[20:31]  * knome looks if we have exact enough docs for docs
[20:31] <flocculant> where? 
[20:32] <knome> website or wiki
[20:32] <knome> i can't remember what we say
[20:32] <flocculant> we say nothing 
[20:32] <flocculant> just point to hundreds of links
[20:32] <knome> possible
[20:33] <knome> yep, true
[20:33] <knome> but for some kind of defense, the build dir doesn't exist until you build :)
[20:33] <flocculant> and then you find the ubuntu doc wiki pages and it's just 'how did a doc team make things so hard to find' when you get there :|
[20:33] <knome> lol
[20:34] <knome> the ubuntu doc wiki pages are awful, i admit
[20:34] <knome> we should sign off from all of that and write our own
[20:34] <knome> ^ no kidding, i'm totally serious
[20:34] <flocculant> anyway - when I can be bothered to do all this again - desktop-guide/C/
[20:34] <knome> (even if i have no pants on currently...)
[20:34] <flocculant> yea - I would agree with that 
[20:34] <flocculant> ha ha 
[20:35] <knome> and yes, desktop-guide/C/
[20:35] <flocculant> I did say to slickymaster the other day that there should be a simple how to start thing (bzr, packages you need) thing
[20:35] <flocculant> ok 
[20:35] <knome> yep
[20:35] <knome> slickymaster, you around today?
[20:36] <flocculant> on the other hand - I did edit the html for it all properly - at least it all looked correct :D
[20:36] <knome> :E
[20:36] <knome> good job
[20:36] <knome> though... docbook is a different beast
[20:36] <knome> well for the best - it's very similar
[20:36] <ochosi> Unit193: woot, 1.1.15 uploaded to ubuntu too?
[20:36] <knome> "only" different tags
[20:36] <flocculant> right 
[20:37] <knome> you'll get the gist of it quickly
[20:37] <flocculant> on the positive side - it's going to be easier to do offline-packages in xml than html ... 
[20:37] <knome> likely so..
[20:37] <Unit193> ochosi: No, in http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-multimedia/gmusicbrowser.git
[20:37] <knome> the html output from our docs is a bit dirty :P
[20:38] <ochosi> Unit193: oh ok, i guess it's too late for wily anyway
[20:38] <ochosi> hmm, almost done with xfce4-notifyd gtk3 support in greybird...
[20:39] <flocculant> knome: and the front page? xubuntu-docs/startpage/xubuntu-index-start.htx ?
[20:39] <knome> flocculant, yep, and -end-
[20:39] <flocculant> yep - just checking the path ;)
[20:40] <knome> but i'll likely try to push the startpage under the desktop-guide too
[20:40] <knome> so only docbook after that
[20:40] <knome> bbiab, sauna
[21:03] <knome> flocculant, this should now be a tad more useful: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/documentation/
[21:04] <flocculant> :)
[21:05] <flocculant> quick question knome - how to ,strong> or <em> in docbook? 
[21:05] <knome> uhm
[21:05] <knome> good one
[21:05] <knome> depends on the situation
[21:05] <knome> docbook has very semantic tags
[21:05] <flocculant> words withiin a sentence
[21:06] <flocculant> spelt properly though 
[21:06] <knome> yeaah, but what are those words for?
[21:06] <knome> we don't do "just emphasis" i think
[21:07] <flocculant> yea we do 
[21:07] <knome> where?
[21:08] <flocculant> like <literal>monkey</literal>
[21:08] <knome> yeah
[21:08] <flocculant> so I found out :)
[21:08] <knome> so as you can see
[21:08] <knome> if it's something that's literally like that in the screen, then use <literal>
[21:08] <flocculant> so <literallybold> 
[21:08] <knome> if it's an application name, use <application>
[21:08] <flocculant> :p
[21:08] <knome> if it's a gui label, use <guilabel>
[21:09] <knome> or if it's a thing the user needs to input, then you should use <userinput>
[21:10] <flocculant> empasis 
[21:10] <knome> these things might look similar in the output, but if we decide that we want to change the looks later for a certain thing, we'd better use semantic tags now :P
[21:10] <flocculant> right
[21:11] <knome> but don't be too hard on yourself on getting everything right the first time
[21:11] <knome> we'll have to review it anyway :P
[21:11] <flocculant> yea of course 
[21:11] <knome> but again, for the better part -
[21:11] <knome> there are examples of pretty much everything you can imagine
[21:11] <knome> so just find another spot on the docs that does what you want, and see what the source says there
[21:12] <knome> and you can't go too much wrong
[21:12] <flocculant> yep - that's what I just did 
[21:12] <knome> yep
[21:12] <flocculant> not doing anymore of it twice today though :D
[21:12] <knome> and for the &entities;, check desktop-guide/libs/xubuntu.ent
[21:12] <knome> we're keeping for example all urls there
[21:12] <knome> and just using the entity in the <ulink> tag
[21:13] <knome> menu paths too
[21:13] <knome> you'll see they can be daunting
[21:14] <knome> ok, back to sauna one more time
[21:14] <knome> bbiab again
[21:14] <flocculant> k - thanks, that's all helpful 
[21:14] <knome> np
[21:31] <knome> aaaahhh
[21:33] <flocculant> :)
[21:38] <bluesabre> flocculant: any word on parole upload?
[21:39] <bluesabre> getting ready to run out again
[21:41] <flocculant> bluesabre: I asked in -release earlier - nothing so far, I think infinity is on odd hours :)
[21:43] <bluesabre> I saw doko ask if there was an ffe in -devel, didn't know if somebody determined that it really wasnt a new feature
[21:44] <bluesabre> I'll try to ping again myself when I get back
[21:52] <flocculant> ok