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xubuntu170ok so Running post-installation trigger update-notifier-common has been displaying for thirty minutes while installing 14,0402:24
Strato1Does anyone know what might cause the number of workspaces in Xubuntu 14.04 to change rapidly whenever I try increasing or decreasing it?04:48
xubuntu44wjoin xubuntu10:40
xubuntu44wi have one question and want to know plz if this is fixed in the software updates or is new or whatever10:41
xubuntu44wso ...10:42
* cfhowlett thinks it's too bad Ms. Cleo retired. Maybe SHE could magically answer the question without being told the important details10:43
xubuntu44wif i have to legimitate a root action, in my case for installing a software und xubuntu software-center, but not only there - it happens at every legitimation, it does tell me i do not put in the right password. it only is at the graphics legitimation dialog under xfce. in a terminal i can su to root with my pwd and it is accepted.10:45
xubuntu44whas anyone an answer or workaround for this. and sry for my behaviour, i'm not that familiar with irc for a  long time10:47
cfhowlettmore eyes in #ubuntu.  ask there10:47
knomewhich xubuntu version are you using?10:48
xubuntu44w14.04 lts10:48
knomei haven't heard this happening before, so i don't think it's a common problem at all10:49
knomejust to make sure - you haven't set the root password, right?10:51
knomealso - is your user in sudoers (it is if it's the first user)10:51
cfhowlettyou should not be installing software as root.10:51
xubuntu44wi have got a root pwd, my non privilege user ist not in sudoers and i install software always as root. it's my personal favourite to handle linux like in the "old" days.10:53
knomexubuntu44w, in that case your system doesn't really have the official support10:54
xubuntu44wand if you use sudoers it installs software as root, because a non privileged user can't install software10:55
knomexubuntu44w, and the reason why the graphical dialog doesn't work is that you aren't in the sudoers group10:55
knomeenabling the root account and escalating user privileges to have the root permissions for a while is different.10:55
knome!rootsudo | xubuntu44w10:55
ubottuxubuntu44w: sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !pkexec (for older releases: !gksu and !kdesudo). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo10:55
knomesimply put, enabling the root account is not supported and there's no reason to do it either10:56
xubuntu44wmaybe it'S in this distro. but to install software in others you get the dialog box to legimitate and you put in your root-pwd and all is fine10:56
xubuntu44wi know sudo and i do not like it10:56
knomesure, it's OS dependent10:56
knomebut if you use (x)ubuntu, then you should use sudo, because everything is made to work with it and enabling the root account isn't supposed to happen10:57
knomemaybe you really want some other OS if you insist on using the root account - and OS that supports the root account10:58
xubuntu44wyes i know but you can  reconfigure it to behave it like before. i did this in other distros, including ubuntu, and it worked well.10:58
knomeyou are free to do so, but unfortunately we do not offer support for systems modified like that.10:59
xubuntu44wbut the question was to install software through xubuntu software center and it wanted to get legitimation. is it in this distro do use the users account password to legimitate? if yes, then i will go through other installation procedures.11:01
knomexubuntu44w, acutally, i already explained why it didn't work; no, you can't use other people's passwords there.11:05
xubuntu44wok. i thank you for "trying" to help me. i just wanted to know the internals explained by someone but it seems it should be dictated to use it the new way and no one should, like in windows, know the manually and often better way to use his system. nothing against you, but it seems to me even since a longer time, to hide the system internals, like i said before like windows, and the you can't do nothing if you do not buy a suppor11:21
xubuntu44wmy new pc gets another distro again, cause more things do not work on xubuntu. i know it's open source and many people have to improve it, but i'm a bit old school, began with dos, and i want to use it also the old way. that's my criticsm to every new distro. only to get windows people to use linux and i think it's anyway an elite-os.11:25
xubuntu44wthanks to all and don't hate me for my opinion. i'm anyway a linux/opensource fan, including programmer and not a total noob.11:27
xubuntu44wgood bye and have a nice day. peace11:28
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aabcdi'm back because i wanted you to know that you have to put in your not-privileged pwd to legitimate an software installation. so i am as it seems in the sudoers and that is the correction of my former discussion with, sry i do not know his name,  in my opinion it is not the best to let users do root things only with their own pwd. it's superuser task.11:58
bazhangsudo is for that11:58
bazhangnever enable the root acct, its not ever needed11:59
bazhangyour pw is privileged11:59
bazhangno such thing as a non-privileged sudo11:59
aabcdyes. but senseless if you are the root too and if root doesn't maintain the system anyone can do root things. i did not explicitly put my no-priv account into sudoers and i think therefore its an security issue12:01
bazhangyou are never the root , too12:01
bazhangenabling the root account is the security breaker12:02
bazhangsimply use sudo and nothing else, that is the secure method12:02
aabcdon my own  system? that is new to me12:02
bazhangyes of course12:02
bazhangand its not something new at all12:02
bazhangits been that way since the very beginning of ubuntu12:03
bazhangare you on debian then?12:03
aabcdto fully understand it. if i su in a terminal to root, i am not root. what else then?12:03
bazhangthis is xubuntu only support not debian12:03
GridNeta sudoer12:03
bazhangare you referring to sudo su12:04
bazhangdont use it12:04
bazhanguse simply sudo, no need to repeat it again12:04
aabcdi use xubunt at this time. and you can change it to the old behaviour.12:04
bazhangthere is no old behavior12:04
bazhangubuntu is and was always sudo, and sudo alone12:05
aabcdsu is old behaviour12:05
bazhangnot with ubuntu, ever12:05
aabcdi did it in ubuntu to, don't know which version. 12.xx i think12:05
bazhangthats your mistake, and explicitly against supported advice12:06
bazhangubuntu is xubuntu12:06
bazhangas is kubuntu lubuntu and so on12:06
aabcdwhy mistake if i want my system to work how i want12:06
bazhangand sudo is what is and always was the acceptable and supported way12:06
aabcdi know these are derivatives12:07
bazhangwhat derivatives12:07
bazhangxubuntu ubuntu kubuntu lubuntu are all fully supported ubuntu12:07
bazhangnot derivatives12:07
aabcdkubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu and what others are out there are derivatives12:07
bazhangthats simply not correct12:08
aabcdthe base distro is ubuntu, yes12:08
ubottu!Ubuntu-GNOME, !Kubuntu, !Xubuntu and !Lubuntu are simply flavors of Ubuntu that come with GNOME, KDE, Xfce, and LXDE (respectively) installed as default, instead of Unity. Other specialized flavors of Ubuntu include !Edubuntu, Ubuntu !Studio, and !Mythbuntu.12:08
bazhangthose are the flavors12:08
bazhangderivatives are 'ubuntu-based', not supported distros12:08
aabcdderivatives mean the base is ubuntu as i said12:09
bazhangthey are all ubuntu12:09
bazhangand thats not what derivatives are, at all12:10
aabcdyes, with other flavors, how you call it12:10
bazhangderived from means based, nothing to do with straight up ubuntu xubuntu lubuntu etc which all use the exact same repos12:11
GridNetaabcd, all flavours are just ubuntu base with a different desktop package12:12
bazhangderivatives are not supported, the ubuntu flavors all are, and have always used sudo and sudo alone12:12
aabcdnothing else i said12:12
bazhangyou referred to the old way, sudo is it12:12
GridNetyou can install xubuntu-desktop metapackage or lubuntu-desktop, or whatever, and you can choose with which to start a session each time12:13
aabcdthe old way i talk about is 2005 and further12:13
bazhangthats not ubuntu12:14
bazhang!root | aabcd12:14
ubottuaabcd: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo12:14
bazhangaabcd, did you some actual xubuntu support issues12:15
bazhangaabcd, otherwise take the chit chat to #xubuntu-offtopic please, thanks12:15
aabcdi installed it with my non-privileged account. and yes, it worked. but i do not need to guess the root password. i know it because i set it12:16
bazhangaabcd, there is no such account12:16
bazhangaabcd, so was there a support issue you needed to ask here12:17
aabcdis ther a possibility to show you a screenshot to proof that there is one. i use it every day12:17
aabcdyes ther was, but i found out it by myself12:18
aabcdwhy should i lie12:20
aabcdi'm a peaceful opensource'ler and linux/unix enthusiast12:21
bazhangaabcd, lets take this to the offtopic channel please12:21
aabcdno need for that. i have what i wanted. and i think you wouldn't believe me anyway. if you want to discuss further then i will to to offtopic. just tell me how12:22
bazhang /join #xubuntu-offtopic12:23
aabcdok bazhang. you had have told me to leave the irc instead to put me on an offtopic channel where you laugh at me cause i wnated to discuss.12:34
bazhangaabcd, thats not so, this is support only, chit chat is in the offtopic channel12:36
aabcdcan you plz explain chit chat. i'm austrian and not the most perfect. in offtopic there is no one. so i will lieave and try to solve my problems alone. would come to an end faster. peace12:37
aabcddoes chit chat mean shit chat?12:38
bazhangit means general chat12:39
aabcdthought so, because i felt so to get away from users to not annoy them. ok, then sry for this12:40
bazhangthis channel is for support; the offtopic channel is for debate, polling, and so on12:40
aabcdok. then i can leave the offtopic. no one there to listen to what i have to say. have a nice weekend.12:40
falconsomebody is here?13:55
falconSomebody talk spanish here?14:02
falconWell here is my question...  i tried to make a shortcut of Whisker Menu on the desktop but its doesn't work ... so my question is ... its possible to make a  whisker shortcut  on the desktop?14:25
xubuntu39wAm not able to enter Software center14:26
xubuntu39wI receive a list "e" error14:26
falcon@xubuntu39w try to install App Grip14:26
falcon@xubuntu39w it is better than ubuntu software center.14:27
xubuntu39wHow do I install it...what is the coding?14:28
falconsudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:appgrid/stable sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install appgrid14:28
xubuntu39werror...need a single repository as argument14:30
xubuntu39wType '­e' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list E: The list of sources could not be read.14:31
xubuntu39wI have never seen this error before.14:32
flocculantxubuntu39w: run cat /etc/apt/sources.list |pastebinit14:32
flocculantyou've just something not right at line 114:32
flocculantand that'll be why usc isn't working14:32
flocculantyou'll get a url - what is it14:33
flocculantfalcon: not sure about a shortcut, but a launcher on desktop for whisker works here14:34
xubuntu39wWhat do I do with the url?14:35
flocculantshow us here - you did14:35
flocculantwhat on earth is going on with your source.list ...14:35
xubuntu39wI don't know.14:35
xubuntu39wI want to check software packages and this is the error I received.14:36
flocculantxubuntu39w: so when you added that sourceforge source - how did you do it?14:37
flocculantthat  file should look similar to http://paste.ubuntu.com/12819622/14:37
flocculantthough not the same14:37
xubuntu39wI copied source from Internet, how to install seamonkey.14:39
nyan_catI've just installed xubuntu 15.10 and I'm having an issue with my wireless.14:39
xubuntu39wIn 15.0414:39
flocculantxubuntu39w: ok - did you back it up before editing it?14:39
nyan_catIt connects just fine and works while browsing, but when I try to download a lot of stuff such as updates it disconnects from my network and I have to disable it and then re-enable it14:40
nyan_catIt worked fine in windows and in xubuntu 14.0414:40
flocculantnyan_cat: mmm - other than having seen a similar issue reported as a bug in the last couple of months not going to be able to help14:40
xubuntu39wSo I cannot update software now?14:41
nyan_catflocculant, any idea where I could find the bug report with a possible solution?14:41
flocculantxubuntu39w: ok you're going to need to rebuild that14:41
flocculantnyan_cat: trying to find the report14:41
xubuntu39whow rebuild?14:42
flocculantxubuntu39w: you can use this to do that http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/14:43
nyan_catthis is the output of lspci on my laptop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12819771/14:43
flocculantxubuntu39w: once you've done the first bit it asks you to use curl - you'll not be able to unless you have it installed14:45
flocculantyou'll need to edit the file manually - pkexec mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list14:48
flocculantand copy what you get there14:49
flocculantnyan_cat: I can't even see wireless on that list - if it's usb try lsusb14:50
flocculantnyan_cat: you might find more people about able to help with your issue in #ubuntu+114:50
falcon@flocculant  Can i do a wishker shortcut on desktop, it is posible?14:50
flocculantnot sure about shortcut - but a launcher for it works here - command is /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-whiskermenu14:51
nyan_catflocculant, yeah I just joined there and asked but it seems pretty dead in there. also, apparently it does show up as usb for some reason. http://paste.ubuntu.com/12819925/14:53
falconi just want to have a shortcut on docky but its doesn't work, i try whit [Desktop Entry] Version=1.0 Type=Application Name=Whisker Comment= Exec=xfce4-whiskermenu Icon= Path= Terminal=false StartupNotify=false14:54
flocculantfalcon the exec is /xfce4-popup-whiskermenu afaik14:55
falconlet me check14:55
flocculantnyan_cat: yep - happens I guess, not sure if they're allowing wily in #ubuntu - you could try there14:55
nyan_catflocculant, I found other posts online about this issue with my card in linux in general14:56
flocculantnyan_cat: http://askubuntu.com/questions/453110/rtl8187-wireless-card-drops-signal-within-seconds14:56
nyan_catbut they link to drivers for 3.x kernels so I don't know what would happen with a 4.x kernel14:56
flocculantno idea I'm afraid :(14:57
nyan_catflocculant, do you think I would make the world implode if I use a 3.x driver on a 4.x kernel?14:57
flocculantnyan_cat:  well ... backup things first just in case - but I'd guess it's just going to fail14:58
falcon@flocculant  .. the shortcut its ok, but it do not work, i added whisker menu to the panel, when i clicking on the shortcut, this open whisker menu but in the xfce panel...14:59
flocculantfalcon: oh - you mean you're trying to get it to open on the desktop ?15:00
flocculantnot sure you can do that - it's a plugin for the panel15:00
flocculantnyan_cat: this tends to imply it won't build http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2254272&p=13187706&viewfull=1#post1318770615:01
flocculantnyan_cat: I'm not going to be of much use with this I'm afraid15:02
nyan_catflocculant, I found some stuff on the arch wiki I'm going to try: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_network_configuration#Cause_.23115:02
nyan_catI have that same message it shows in dmesg15:02
nyan_catso that's probably it15:03
flocculantwell if you get that working please let me know :)15:03
flocculantxubuntu39w: how are you getting on?15:04
nyan_catok time to test it out. be right back15:04
falcon@flocculant  Ok! I was thinking the same.   its would be interesting can do a shortcut of whisker menu. ¡Thank you a lot!  i goint to use other app menu.15:12
flocculantwelcome :)15:12
falcon@flocculant  ... i was thinking right now use application finder ...15:20
flocculantwell that would open right for you15:25
nyan_catflocculant, unless I time out in the next 10 minutes or so, I think I fixed it15:28
nyan_catI did the systemd step in addition to the rc.local below it15:28
nyan_catnow I'm going to torrent some ubuntu ISOs to test it15:28
nyan_catalso, does anyone know of apps or services I can disable to reduce the base cpu and memory usage in xubuntu? it uses far more resources out of the box than debian xfce did15:30
nyan_catand I have a low powered laptop15:30
nyan_catall I need to do on it is web browsing, thunderbird email, updates and some card games15:30
nyan_catI heard turning off compositing can help but I also am worried about possible screen tearing if I do that15:31
flocculantwell try it15:31
nyan_catflocculant, anything else you can think of?15:31
fsfmanI want to disable other option in lightdm15:31
fsfmanI want to disable other option in lightdm.Please help15:33
flocculantnyan_cat: I'm the wrong person to ask tbh - I don't worry about turning things off, though you might be better to have installed Core15:34
nyan_catI mean it's not unusable, just want to slim it down a bit. Core would be a bit too extreme15:34
flocculantyep ok15:36
flocculantgtg now15:36
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xubuntu39wHi again...I have been attempting to rebuild the repositories.  How do I enter the rebuild into Ubuntu 15.04?16:48
xubuntu39wflocculant, am I going to have to reinstall xubuntu 15.04 to get the repositories back?  I found this e deb http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all main deb http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all main16:55
xubuntu39wany suggestion?16:56

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