[02:24] <xubuntu170> ok so Running post-installation trigger update-notifier-common has been displaying for thirty minutes while installing 14,04
[04:48] <Strato1> Does anyone know what might cause the number of workspaces in Xubuntu 14.04 to change rapidly whenever I try increasing or decreasing it?
[10:40] <xubuntu44w> join xubuntu
[10:40] <knome> hello.
[10:40] <xubuntu44w> hello
[10:41] <xubuntu44w> i have one question and want to know plz if this is fixed in the software updates or is new or whatever
[10:42] <xubuntu44w> so ...
[10:43]  * cfhowlett thinks it's too bad Ms. Cleo retired.  Maybe SHE could magically answer  the question without being told the important details
[10:45] <xubuntu44w> if i have to legimitate a root action, in my case for installing a software und xubuntu software-center, but not only there - it happens at every legitimation, it does tell me i do not put in the right password. it only is at the graphics legitimation dialog under xfce. in a terminal i can su to root with my pwd and it is accepted.
[10:47] <xubuntu44w> has anyone an answer or workaround for this. and sry for my behaviour, i'm not that familiar with irc for a  long time
[10:47] <cfhowlett> more eyes in #ubuntu.  ask there
[10:48] <knome> which xubuntu version are you using?
[10:48] <xubuntu44w> 14.04 lts
[10:49] <knome> i haven't heard this happening before, so i don't think it's a common problem at all
[10:51] <knome> just to make sure - you haven't set the root password, right?
[10:51] <knome> also - is your user in sudoers (it is if it's the first user)
[10:51] <cfhowlett> you should not be installing software as root.
[10:53] <xubuntu44w> i have got a root pwd, my non privilege user ist not in sudoers and i install software always as root. it's my personal favourite to handle linux like in the "old" days.
[10:54] <knome> xubuntu44w, in that case your system doesn't really have the official support
[10:55] <xubuntu44w> and if you use sudoers it installs software as root, because a non privileged user can't install software
[10:55] <knome> xubuntu44w, and the reason why the graphical dialog doesn't work is that you aren't in the sudoers group
[10:55] <knome> enabling the root account and escalating user privileges to have the root permissions for a while is different.
[10:55] <knome> !rootsudo | xubuntu44w
[10:56] <knome> simply put, enabling the root account is not supported and there's no reason to do it either
[10:56] <xubuntu44w> maybe it'S in this distro. but to install software in others you get the dialog box to legimitate and you put in your root-pwd and all is fine
[10:56] <xubuntu44w> i know sudo and i do not like it
[10:56] <knome> sure, it's OS dependent
[10:57] <knome> but if you use (x)ubuntu, then you should use sudo, because everything is made to work with it and enabling the root account isn't supposed to happen
[10:58] <knome> maybe you really want some other OS if you insist on using the root account - and OS that supports the root account
[10:58] <xubuntu44w> yes i know but you can  reconfigure it to behave it like before. i did this in other distros, including ubuntu, and it worked well.
[10:59] <knome> you are free to do so, but unfortunately we do not offer support for systems modified like that.
[11:01] <xubuntu44w> but the question was to install software through xubuntu software center and it wanted to get legitimation. is it in this distro do use the users account password to legimitate? if yes, then i will go through other installation procedures.
[11:05] <knome> xubuntu44w, acutally, i already explained why it didn't work; no, you can't use other people's passwords there.
[11:21] <xubuntu44w> ok. i thank you for "trying" to help me. i just wanted to know the internals explained by someone but it seems it should be dictated to use it the new way and no one should, like in windows, know the manually and often better way to use his system. nothing against you, but it seems to me even since a longer time, to hide the system internals, like i said before like windows, and the you can't do nothing if you do not buy a suppor
[11:25] <xubuntu44w> my new pc gets another distro again, cause more things do not work on xubuntu. i know it's open source and many people have to improve it, but i'm a bit old school, began with dos, and i want to use it also the old way. that's my criticsm to every new distro. only to get windows people to use linux and i think it's anyway an elite-os.
[11:27] <xubuntu44w> thanks to all and don't hate me for my opinion. i'm anyway a linux/opensource fan, including programmer and not a total noob.
[11:28] <xubuntu44w> good bye and have a nice day. peace
[11:40] <Guest52996> unload
[11:58] <aabcd> i'm back because i wanted you to know that you have to put in your not-privileged pwd to legitimate an software installation. so i am as it seems in the sudoers and that is the correction of my former discussion with, sry i do not know his name,  in my opinion it is not the best to let users do root things only with their own pwd. it's superuser task.
[11:58] <bazhang> sudo is for that
[11:59] <bazhang> never enable the root acct, its not ever needed
[11:59] <bazhang> your pw is privileged
[11:59] <bazhang> no such thing as a non-privileged sudo
[12:01] <aabcd> yes. but senseless if you are the root too and if root doesn't maintain the system anyone can do root things. i did not explicitly put my no-priv account into sudoers and i think therefore its an security issue
[12:01] <bazhang> you are never the root , too
[12:02] <bazhang> enabling the root account is the security breaker
[12:02] <bazhang> simply use sudo and nothing else, that is the secure method
[12:02] <aabcd> on my own  system? that is new to me
[12:02] <bazhang> yes of course
[12:02] <bazhang> and its not something new at all
[12:03] <bazhang> its been that way since the very beginning of ubuntu
[12:03] <bazhang> are you on debian then?
[12:03] <aabcd> to fully understand it. if i su in a terminal to root, i am not root. what else then?
[12:03] <bazhang> this is xubuntu only support not debian
[12:03] <GridNet> a sudoer
[12:04] <bazhang> are you referring to sudo su
[12:04] <bazhang> dont use it
[12:04] <bazhang> use simply sudo, no need to repeat it again
[12:04] <aabcd> i use xubunt at this time. and you can change it to the old behaviour.
[12:04] <bazhang> there is no old behavior
[12:05] <bazhang> ubuntu is and was always sudo, and sudo alone
[12:05] <aabcd> su is old behaviour
[12:05] <bazhang> not with ubuntu, ever
[12:05] <aabcd> i did it in ubuntu to, don't know which version. 12.xx i think
[12:06] <bazhang> thats your mistake, and explicitly against supported advice
[12:06] <bazhang> ubuntu is xubuntu
[12:06] <bazhang> as is kubuntu lubuntu and so on
[12:06] <aabcd> why mistake if i want my system to work how i want
[12:06] <bazhang> and sudo is what is and always was the acceptable and supported way
[12:07] <aabcd> i know these are derivatives
[12:07] <bazhang> what derivatives
[12:07] <bazhang> xubuntu ubuntu kubuntu lubuntu are all fully supported ubuntu
[12:07] <bazhang> not derivatives
[12:07] <aabcd> kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu and what others are out there are derivatives
[12:08] <bazhang> thats simply not correct
[12:08] <aabcd> the base distro is ubuntu, yes
[12:08] <bazhang> !flavors
[12:08] <bazhang> those are the flavors
[12:08] <bazhang> derivatives are 'ubuntu-based', not supported distros
[12:09] <aabcd> derivatives mean the base is ubuntu as i said
[12:09] <bazhang> they are all ubuntu
[12:10] <bazhang> and thats not what derivatives are, at all
[12:10] <aabcd> yes, with other flavors, how you call it
[12:11] <bazhang> derived from means based, nothing to do with straight up ubuntu xubuntu lubuntu etc which all use the exact same repos
[12:12] <GridNet> aabcd, all flavours are just ubuntu base with a different desktop package
[12:12] <bazhang> derivatives are not supported, the ubuntu flavors all are, and have always used sudo and sudo alone
[12:12] <aabcd> nothing else i said
[12:12] <bazhang> you referred to the old way, sudo is it
[12:13] <GridNet> you can install xubuntu-desktop metapackage or lubuntu-desktop, or whatever, and you can choose with which to start a session each time
[12:13] <aabcd> the old way i talk about is 2005 and further
[12:14] <bazhang> thats not ubuntu
[12:14] <bazhang> !root | aabcd
[12:15] <bazhang> aabcd, did you some actual xubuntu support issues
[12:15] <bazhang> aabcd, otherwise take the chit chat to #xubuntu-offtopic please, thanks
[12:16] <aabcd> i installed it with my non-privileged account. and yes, it worked. but i do not need to guess the root password. i know it because i set it
[12:16] <bazhang> aabcd, there is no such account
[12:17] <bazhang> aabcd, so was there a support issue you needed to ask here
[12:17] <aabcd> is ther a possibility to show you a screenshot to proof that there is one. i use it every day
[12:18] <aabcd> yes ther was, but i found out it by myself
[12:20] <aabcd> why should i lie
[12:21] <aabcd> i'm a peaceful opensource'ler and linux/unix enthusiast
[12:21] <bazhang> aabcd, lets take this to the offtopic channel please
[12:22] <aabcd> no need for that. i have what i wanted. and i think you wouldn't believe me anyway. if you want to discuss further then i will to to offtopic. just tell me how
[12:23] <bazhang>  /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[12:34] <aabcd> ok bazhang. you had have told me to leave the irc instead to put me on an offtopic channel where you laugh at me cause i wnated to discuss.
[12:36] <bazhang> aabcd, thats not so, this is support only, chit chat is in the offtopic channel
[12:37] <aabcd> can you plz explain chit chat. i'm austrian and not the most perfect. in offtopic there is no one. so i will lieave and try to solve my problems alone. would come to an end faster. peace
[12:38] <aabcd> does chit chat mean shit chat?
[12:39] <bazhang> no
[12:39] <bazhang> it means general chat
[12:40] <aabcd> thought so, because i felt so to get away from users to not annoy them. ok, then sry for this
[12:40] <bazhang> this channel is for support; the offtopic channel is for debate, polling, and so on
[12:40] <bazhang> np
[12:40] <aabcd> ok. then i can leave the offtopic. no one there to listen to what i have to say. have a nice weekend.
[12:42] <bazhang> bye
[13:55] <falcon> ¡!
[13:55] <falcon> somebody is here?
[14:02] <falcon> Somebody talk spanish here?
[14:02] <falcon> ¡Hello!
[14:18] <falcon> ¿?
[14:25] <falcon> Well here is my question...  i tried to make a shortcut of Whisker Menu on the desktop but its doesn't work ... so my question is ... its possible to make a  whisker shortcut  on the desktop?
[14:26] <xubuntu39w> Am not able to enter Software center
[14:26] <xubuntu39w> I receive a list "e" error
[14:26] <falcon> @xubuntu39w try to install App Grip
[14:27] <xubuntu39w> okay
[14:27] <falcon> @xubuntu39w it is better than ubuntu software center.
[14:28] <xubuntu39w> How do I install it...what is the coding?
[14:28] <falcon> sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:appgrid/stable sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install appgrid
[14:30] <xubuntu39w> error...need a single repository as argument
[14:31] <xubuntu39w> Type '­e' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list E: The list of sources could not be read.
[14:32] <xubuntu39w> I have never seen this error before.
[14:32] <flocculant> xubuntu39w: run cat /etc/apt/sources.list |pastebinit
[14:32] <flocculant> you've just something not right at line 1
[14:32] <flocculant> and that'll be why usc isn't working
[14:33] <flocculant> you'll get a url - what is it
[14:34] <xubuntu39w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12819574/
[14:34] <flocculant> falcon: not sure about a shortcut, but a launcher on desktop for whisker works here
[14:35] <xubuntu39w> What do I do with the url?
[14:35] <flocculant> show us here - you did
[14:35] <flocculant> what on earth is going on with your source.list ...
[14:35] <xubuntu39w> I don't know.
[14:36] <xubuntu39w> I want to check software packages and this is the error I received.
[14:36] <flocculant> mmm
[14:37] <flocculant> xubuntu39w: so when you added that sourceforge source - how did you do it?
[14:37] <flocculant> that  file should look similar to http://paste.ubuntu.com/12819622/
[14:37] <flocculant> though not the same
[14:39] <xubuntu39w> I copied source from Internet, how to install seamonkey.
[14:39] <nyan_cat> I've just installed xubuntu 15.10 and I'm having an issue with my wireless.
[14:39] <xubuntu39w> In 15.04
[14:39] <flocculant> xubuntu39w: ok - did you back it up before editing it?
[14:40] <nyan_cat> It connects just fine and works while browsing, but when I try to download a lot of stuff such as updates it disconnects from my network and I have to disable it and then re-enable it
[14:40] <nyan_cat> It worked fine in windows and in xubuntu 14.04
[14:40] <xubuntu39w> No....
[14:40] <flocculant> nyan_cat: mmm - other than having seen a similar issue reported as a bug in the last couple of months not going to be able to help
[14:41] <xubuntu39w> So I cannot update software now?
[14:41] <nyan_cat> flocculant, any idea where I could find the bug report with a possible solution?
[14:41] <flocculant> xubuntu39w: ok you're going to need to rebuild that
[14:41] <flocculant> nyan_cat: trying to find the report
[14:42] <xubuntu39w> how rebuild?
[14:43] <flocculant> xubuntu39w: you can use this to do that http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[14:43] <xubuntu39w> okay
[14:43] <nyan_cat> this is the output of lspci on my laptop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12819771/
[14:45] <flocculant> xubuntu39w: once you've done the first bit it asks you to use curl - you'll not be able to unless you have it installed
[14:48] <flocculant> you'll need to edit the file manually - pkexec mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:49] <flocculant> and copy what you get there
[14:50] <flocculant> nyan_cat: I can't even see wireless on that list - if it's usb try lsusb
[14:50] <flocculant> nyan_cat: you might find more people about able to help with your issue in #ubuntu+1
[14:50] <falcon> @flocculant  Can i do a wishker shortcut on desktop, it is posible?
[14:51] <flocculant> not sure about shortcut - but a launcher for it works here - command is /usr/bin/xfce4-popup-whiskermenu
[14:53] <nyan_cat> flocculant, yeah I just joined there and asked but it seems pretty dead in there. also, apparently it does show up as usb for some reason. http://paste.ubuntu.com/12819925/
[14:54] <falcon> i just want to have a shortcut on docky but its doesn't work, i try whit [Desktop Entry] Version=1.0 Type=Application Name=Whisker Comment= Exec=xfce4-whiskermenu Icon= Path= Terminal=false StartupNotify=false
[14:55] <flocculant> falcon the exec is /xfce4-popup-whiskermenu afaik
[14:55] <falcon> ok..
[14:55] <falcon> let me check
[14:55] <flocculant> nyan_cat: yep - happens I guess, not sure if they're allowing wily in #ubuntu - you could try there
[14:56] <nyan_cat> flocculant, I found other posts online about this issue with my card in linux in general
[14:56] <flocculant> nyan_cat: http://askubuntu.com/questions/453110/rtl8187-wireless-card-drops-signal-within-seconds
[14:56] <nyan_cat> but they link to drivers for 3.x kernels so I don't know what would happen with a 4.x kernel
[14:57] <flocculant> right
[14:57] <flocculant> no idea I'm afraid :(
[14:57] <nyan_cat> flocculant, do you think I would make the world implode if I use a 3.x driver on a 4.x kernel?
[14:58] <flocculant> nyan_cat:  well ... backup things first just in case - but I'd guess it's just going to fail
[14:59] <falcon> @flocculant  .. the shortcut its ok, but it do not work, i added whisker menu to the panel, when i clicking on the shortcut, this open whisker menu but in the xfce panel...
[15:00] <flocculant> falcon: oh - you mean you're trying to get it to open on the desktop ?
[15:00] <flocculant> not sure you can do that - it's a plugin for the panel
[15:01] <flocculant> nyan_cat: this tends to imply it won't build http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2254272&p=13187706&viewfull=1#post13187706
[15:02] <flocculant> nyan_cat: I'm not going to be of much use with this I'm afraid
[15:02] <nyan_cat> flocculant, I found some stuff on the arch wiki I'm going to try: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_network_configuration#Cause_.231
[15:02] <nyan_cat> I have that same message it shows in dmesg
[15:03] <nyan_cat> so that's probably it
[15:03] <flocculant> well if you get that working please let me know :)
[15:04] <flocculant> xubuntu39w: how are you getting on?
[15:04] <nyan_cat> ok time to test it out. be right back
[15:12] <falcon> @flocculant  Ok! I was thinking the same.   its would be interesting can do a shortcut of whisker menu. ¡Thank you a lot!  i goint to use other app menu.
[15:12] <flocculant> welcome :)
[15:20] <falcon> @flocculant  ... i was thinking right now use application finder ...
[15:25] <flocculant> well that would open right for you
[15:28] <nyan_cat> flocculant, unless I time out in the next 10 minutes or so, I think I fixed it
[15:28] <nyan_cat> http://askubuntu.com/questions/606446/power-management-for-wireless-unable-to-turn-off-in-xubunu-15-04-vivid
[15:28] <nyan_cat> I did the systemd step in addition to the rc.local below it
[15:28] <nyan_cat> now I'm going to torrent some ubuntu ISOs to test it
[15:30] <nyan_cat> also, does anyone know of apps or services I can disable to reduce the base cpu and memory usage in xubuntu? it uses far more resources out of the box than debian xfce did
[15:30] <flocculant> :)
[15:30] <nyan_cat> and I have a low powered laptop
[15:30] <nyan_cat> all I need to do on it is web browsing, thunderbird email, updates and some card games
[15:31] <nyan_cat> I heard turning off compositing can help but I also am worried about possible screen tearing if I do that
[15:31] <flocculant> well try it
[15:31] <fsfman> Hello
[15:31] <nyan_cat> flocculant, anything else you can think of?
[15:31] <fsfman> I want to disable other option in lightdm
[15:33] <fsfman> I want to disable other option in lightdm.Please help
[15:34] <flocculant> nyan_cat: I'm the wrong person to ask tbh - I don't worry about turning things off, though you might be better to have installed Core
[15:34] <nyan_cat> I mean it's not unusable, just want to slim it down a bit. Core would be a bit too extreme
[15:36] <flocculant> yep ok
[15:36] <flocculant> gtg now
[16:48] <xubuntu39w> Hi again...I have been attempting to rebuild the repositories.  How do I enter the rebuild into Ubuntu 15.04?
[16:55] <xubuntu39w> flocculant, am I going to have to reinstall xubuntu 15.04 to get the repositories back?  I found this e deb http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all main deb http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/ubuntuzilla/mozilla/apt all main
[16:56] <xubuntu39w> any suggestion?