[11:30] <bee_keeper> hey, am thinking of getting ubuntu-touch, will i see loads of annoying ads built into it like android?  I dont want to buy music, vids and all that crap from my phone
[11:31] <ogra_> no, you wont ...
[11:34] <ogra_> there are options to buy music or videos (many people actually seem to do that) but you dont have to use them and there are no ads
[11:34] <bee_keeper> am ashamed to say i only found about this today, i saw an announcement ages ago but didn't realise it's avalable now..
[11:34] <bee_keeper> android is so commercial, it's sickening.  worse than apple
[11:34] <bee_keeper> i just want real control of my phone OS
[11:34] <ogra_> the curse of success :)
[12:11] <bee_keeper> Is it possible to run android apps on the ubuntu-touch?
[12:14] <tathhu> no
[12:21] <JanC> bee_keeper: you can browse/search available apps on https://uappexplorer.com/
[12:53] <bee_keeper> Thanks for the answers, just bought the BQ Aquaris E4.5
[13:02] <ogra_> bee_keeper, congrats !
[13:07] <jgdx> bee_keeper, \o/
[13:10] <bee_keeper> Yep it looks like it's a long way from being perfect but it's definitely worthy of support
[13:12] <ogra_> it really depends on your needs, for me it is a proper day to day device ... but i mainly use G+, am fine with telegram instead of whatsapp and never really tied myself to any android apps before
[13:26] <jgdx> Been using it as a daily driver for 1.2 years, and it is an amazing thing–IF you can refrain from comparing it to iPhone and Android.
[13:27] <bee_keeper> Thing is android is hardly bug free.  I just had a Z3 and it was rubbish plus 3x the price
[13:27] <ogra_> i have to compare it at times (when helping my GF with her android phone) and i always go mad with android (the "back" action makes me crazy and i'm always trying to swipe)
[13:28] <bee_keeper> Anyway, gotta dash.  thanks again
[13:31] <jgdx> was thinking about the comparison of ecosystems, but also comparisons of the ethics with which Canonical, Apple and Google operate.
[13:32] <jgdx> but yeah, bugs too
[18:11] <fuzzy7k> Hi all, I'm trying to port a new device, ls970
[18:11] <fuzzy7k> I have recovery and boot images flashed, both still work
[18:12] <fuzzy7k> but when I run rootstock-touch-install, I get nothing. adb & fastboot see nothing.
[18:12] <fuzzy7k> where do I go from here?
[19:15] <tripleclones> amazing how joining a channel generally helps me realise solution whilst typing the question :)
[19:16] <tripleclones> so hi all, no help needed (yet)
[20:19] <nhaines> tripleclones: haha, that's called rubber duck debugging!  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
[21:33] <fuzzy7k> Why does the build process download files?
[21:34] <fuzzy7k> Second, why does it fail when it can't find the server?
[21:34] <fuzzy7k> Third, why doen't it use the file that it just downloaded two minutes ago?
[21:35] <fuzzy7k>     raise ServerNotFoundError("Unable to find the server at %s" % conn.host)
[21:35] <fuzzy7k> httplib2.ServerNotFoundError: Unable to find the server at api.launchpad.net
[21:36] <fuzzy7k> make: *** [/home/xs/optimus-ub/out/target/product/ls970/ramdisk.img] Error 1
[21:45] <nhaines> Why does the build process fail if it cannot download the files it needs from the server it can't find?
[21:48] <fuzzy7k> it just downloaded them previously
[21:49] <fuzzy7k> I'm also a little curious why it is downloading a binary ramdisk for an open source project.
[21:50] <nhaines> If it's something that never changes, that's not uncommon.
[21:51] <fuzzy7k> If it's something that never changes, why does it need to redownload during make
[21:51] <nhaines> Because the script doesn't cache the file, I would assume.
[21:52] <fuzzy7k> It was a retorical question. Hoping the dev's get the hint.
[21:52] <nhaines> It probably isn't an issue for them.
[21:53] <fuzzy7k> I'd like to contribute, but so far no luck getting anything more than recovery working.
[21:53] <nhaines> What device are you working on?
[21:53] <fuzzy7k> ls970, it uses the same kernel as e975, which is mid port.
[21:54] <nhaines> Looks nice.  I hope you can make some headway on it.
[22:22] <fuzzy7k> Should it be possible to fastboot flash system system.img(aosp image) and get a working adb shell?
[22:22] <fuzzy7k> Assuming fastboot flash boot boot.img