[04:53] <blubaustin> hello
[04:54] <blubaustin> I was wondering why my fn key don't work in lubuntu
[04:54] <blubaustin> keys*
[15:24] <Yolo123123> hi
[15:24] <Yolo123123> can anyone confirm, that the lxde wiki, forum and blog are offline?
[15:24] <redwolf> yes, it seems down, Yolo123123
[15:25] <Yolo123123> thanks
[15:25] <Yolo123123> seems it is offline since 2 days then
[15:25] <redwolf> maybe they're doing some server stuff
[15:27] <Yolo123123> cannot find any hint on that...
[15:27] <redwolf> there's a group for Razor/LXQt active in Google Groups
[15:28] <redwolf> if you're interested that forum is https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/razor-qt
[15:29] <redwolf> but I'm afraid it's LXQt focused only
[15:29] <Freddie_Mercury> Is LXQt even a thing for Lubuntu?
[15:29] <Freddie_Mercury> I mean, afaik that's for 16.10+.
[15:29] <Yolo123123> I guess not
[15:29] <redwolf> it is our future Desktop
[15:29] <Freddie_Mercury> Yeah, but future in this case means somewhat distant future. Heh.
[15:30] <redwolf> yeah, I can't be more specific, with dates and staff, you know
[15:30] <Freddie_Mercury> Right.
[15:30] <redwolf> *stuff
[15:30] <Freddie_Mercury> That being said, current LXDE is OK, I just hope LXQt gets rid of some of the kinks.
[15:30] <Freddie_Mercury> Like widgets disappearing when the Iconify button is pressed.
[15:30] <redwolf> LXDE is not abandonware. you'll still get updates and fixes
[15:31] <Freddie_Mercury> Mmh.
[15:31] <redwolf> part of the team is working on it
[15:32] <Freddie_Mercury> Yeah.
[15:33] <redwolf> and Freddie_Mercury, LXQt has its own kinks :D
[15:33] <Freddie_Mercury> I bet.
[15:33] <Freddie_Mercury> Heh.
[15:36] <Yolo123123> ok guys... thanks
[15:36] <redwolf> :)
[15:36] <Yolo123123> I go... bye
[15:36] <redwolf> o/
[17:34] <Guest14> Should i use 64 bit lubuntu if my cpu is 64 bit ? is 64 bit use more RAM ?
[17:36] <redwolf> no
[17:36] <redwolf> actually you should, yes. using an OS matching your architecture ensures you're optimising the use of your computer
[17:37] <redwolf> I mean no to the memory thing :)
[17:37] <Guest14> I have 1GB ram.
[17:37] <redwolf> also, Guest14, if your computer is not too old there's no reason at all to use 32 bits
[17:38] <Freddie_Mercury> Off-topic, but I think Windows has confused a lot of people about this -- since Windows 7 32-bit requires 1 GB RAM, 64-bit requires 2 GB RAM.
[17:38] <Freddie_Mercury> That's why people ask this question.
[17:38] <redwolf> really? I didn't know that about Windows :D
[17:38] <Guest14> I am allready use the 64bit..
[17:39] <redwolf> then don't worry, you're doing the right thing
[17:39] <Freddie_Mercury> Yeah, you should be OK.
[17:39] <Guest14> I am not sure i can use all ram with lubuntu. it is a small distro.
[17:39] <redwolf> you can
[17:40] <redwolf> Linux can paginate the whole memory zone
[17:40] <redwolf> again unlike Windows, Linux is not limited by RAM size, or doesn't use pair blocks of RAM modules. it uses what you have. period.
[17:41] <redwolf> I installed Lubuntu in a Pentium II with 512MB RAM and a 20GB disk
[17:41] <Freddie_Mercury> How well did it run?
[17:42] <Freddie_Mercury> That's a rather ancient system.
[17:42] <redwolf> LibreOffice almost exploded :D
[17:42] <Guest14> I have both. 1 machine with 512MB ram and another 64bit with 1GB ram.
[17:42] <redwolf> but Abiword was fluent. I noticed a lot problems with the browser
[17:42] <aedigital> pentium II, omg good times
[17:42] <aedigital> :)
[17:42] <redwolf> I did for testing it, and it actually worked :)
[17:43] <aedigital> nice
[17:43] <redwolf> yeah, Lubuntu is a little tough guy :)
[17:43] <aedigital> yeah
[17:44] <aedigital> here is celeron 4 2,4 ghz and 512 mb ram
[17:44] <redwolf> Celeron chips are well supported
[17:45] <aedigital> yeah
[17:45] <Freddie_Mercury> redwolf, Firefox?
[17:45] <Freddie_Mercury> tbh with that kind of system I'd use Epipaphy.
[17:45] <redwolf> yes, it was slow, until it froze
[17:45] <Freddie_Mercury> Much lighter, and unlike Midori, which is just insanely buggy.
[17:45] <redwolf> indeed, I'm even using Epiphany with my new laptop :D
[17:45]  * Freddie_Mercury nods.
[17:45] <redwolf> I love that browser
[17:45] <Freddie_Mercury> Yeah, I also tried Dillo.
[17:46] <Freddie_Mercury> But that one looks like a Windows 3.1 browser. No joke.
[17:46] <Freddie_Mercury> It's like going back 25 years or so.
[17:46] <redwolf> yes :D
[17:46] <Guest14> is firefox still 32 bit in lubuntu 64 bit ?
[17:46] <redwolf> maybe it's not a bad idea including Xombrero by default
[17:46] <redwolf> no, Guest14, every app you use is compiled in 64bit
[17:46] <Guest14> good.
[17:47] <Guest14> i think with 1Gb ram i cud run a bigger linux distro.
[17:47] <redwolf> and every app you download from the software center is using the appropriate architecture
[17:47] <Freddie_Mercury> It depends not much on the /distro/, Guest14, but your desktop environment.
[17:47] <Freddie_Mercury> Unity would struggle on that system; and that's still Ubuntu, just like Lubuntu.
[17:47] <redwolf> try with Xubuntu (a bit heavier) or any other flavour :)
[17:47] <Freddie_Mercury> Same distro, different requirements.
[17:48] <Freddie_Mercury> If you want even lighter than Lubuntu, you'd have to go not desktop environment, but plain window managers.
[17:48] <Freddie_Mercury> These are harder to configure.
[17:49] <redwolf> a plain Openbox session, but it's hard to configure too
[17:49] <Freddie_Mercury> Right.
[17:50] <Guest14> I used xubuntu before and i like it.
[17:50] <Freddie_Mercury> Xfce is pretty legit. A bit off-topic here, but my next computer will probably have a distro with Xfce and compiz.
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[17:52] <redwolf> don't worry. and we have a #lubuntu-offtopic too for talking about cats, and xubuntu, and kittens.
[17:52] <Freddie_Mercury> Heh.
[17:53] <Gatiw> hi
[17:53] <aedigital> hehe
[17:53] <Gatiw> how to enable flash on chromium"?
[17:53] <redwolf> what version of Lubuntu do you have Gatiw ?
[17:54] <Gatiw> redwolf: 12
[17:54] <redwolf> try this first: sudo apt-get install pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[17:55] <Gatiw> redwolf: nop
[17:55] <redwolf> Gatiw, sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:55] <Freddie_Mercury> redwolf, what happens if I run that on 14.04 LTS? :>
[17:55] <redwolf> Gatiw, try this first: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[17:55] <redwolf> sorry, Freddie_Mercury, if you run what?
[17:56] <Freddie_Mercury> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:56] <redwolf> in 14.04 flash is not there, but you'll get extra audio and video codecs
[17:56] <Freddie_Mercury> Awesome.
[17:57] <redwolf> Since that version we recommend Pepper
[17:57] <Freddie_Mercury> I see.
[17:57] <redwolf> anyway I don't recommend using Flash at all, and major websites use now HTML5
[17:57] <Gatiw> redwolf: i have driver problems with kernels in lubuntu 14 and 15
[17:57] <redwolf> so you shouldn't need it
[17:58] <redwolf> Gatiw, what kind of driver problems?
[17:58] <Gatiw> redwolf: i dont know why html5 doesnt work for me
[17:58] <Gatiw> redwolf: my pc crashes
[17:58] <redwolf> it's supposed that higher versions give more support
[17:58] <redwolf> have you tried 15.04?
[17:58] <Gatiw> redwolf: like sound problems, wont boot, etc, yes it ried
[17:58] <redwolf> well, that is odd
[17:58] <Gatiw> redwolf: i have old laptop
[17:58] <Freddie_Mercury> o.0
[17:58] <redwolf> the drivers are usually the same plus a few addons in the kernel
[17:58] <redwolf> Gatiw, what laptop?
[17:59] <Gatiw> redwolf: i lose sound in lubuntu 14 and 15. HP 6715s
[17:59] <redwolf> ah I see
[17:59] <redwolf> strange, anyways
[18:00] <Freddie_Mercury> Gatiw http://askubuntu.com/questions/640889/hp-compaq-6715s-sound
[18:00] <Freddie_Mercury> Oh, drats.
[18:00] <Freddie_Mercury> No answer there >_>
[18:00] <Gatiw> Freddie_Mercury: yep same problem
[18:01] <Gatiw> if i install later kernel laptop wont even boot; black screen
[18:02] <redwolf> I have an Acer Aspire with speakers sound too :D
[18:03] <Freddie_Mercury> Gatiw: Try to press Shifty, F12 or whatever before it tries to boot the kernel to get to the GRUB menu.
[18:03] <Freddie_Mercury> Gatiw: Then in the Advanced option, see if you can make it use a previous kernel.
[18:03] <Freddie_Mercury> Shift*
[18:03] <Gatiw> Freddie_Mercury: yes i know
[18:04] <Freddie_Mercury> Oh, I thought you had that issue unresolved. Hm.
[18:04] <Freddie_Mercury> Weird.
[18:04] <Gatiw> Is it safe to downgrade kernel in latest lubuntu?
[18:04] <Gatiw> Freddie_Mercury: thats why i use lubuntu 12
[18:04] <Freddie_Mercury> ...well, your only other option for that laptop is to boot into a black screen, so you tell me. =P
[18:04] <Guest14> guvcview in lubuntu is not working.
[18:04] <dzho> if it's choosing a kernel that is still installed, it's not quite "downgrading"
[18:05] <Freddie_Mercury> Did you try running it from command like with -r 2 parameter?
[18:05] <Freddie_Mercury> "guvcview -r 2"
[18:05] <Freddie_Mercury> In terminal.
[18:05] <Freddie_Mercury> ^ Guest14
[18:05] <dzho> but I've done that a couple of times to rescue a system that didn't quite upgrade completely
[18:05] <Gatiw> dzho: i mean installin kernel in lubuntu 15 that's on lubuntu 12
[18:06] <Guest14> No.. i run it from the menu.
[18:06] <Freddie_Mercury> Guest14, try it from terminal like that.
[18:06] <Guest14> And i have to open it in termeinal like that every time ?
[18:06] <Guest14> *terminal
[18:06] <Freddie_Mercury> I personally haven't found another fix either.
[18:07] <Gatiw> need to restart\
[18:07] <Freddie_Mercury> What I do is, I use that, and if the terminal window is annoying, I move it to another desktop.
[18:07] <Freddie_Mercury> :D
[18:07] <Guest14> Is cheese working in lubuntu ?
[18:08] <Freddie_Mercury> Let me open it up real quick to test.
[18:08] <Freddie_Mercury> Hold on.
[18:08] <Freddie_Mercury> Ah, I remember this now.
[18:08] <Freddie_Mercury> What happens with Cheese is that the picture shows for a split second, and then it goes dark.
[18:08] <Freddie_Mercury> I had to install guvcview to get around that.
[18:09] <Freddie_Mercury> iirc this was a kernel issue with some webcams.
[18:09] <Freddie_Mercury> I tried to get a newer version of CHeese but that broke other things, so I got rid of it.
[18:12] <Guest14> Can i use mobile broadband in lubuntu ? what software is needed for that ?
[18:13] <Freddie_Mercury> In which way? Directly or tethering from a smartphone?
[18:13] <Freddie_Mercury> The later I've tried, works perfectly.
[18:14] <Guest14> directly in the usb port.
[18:15] <Freddie_Mercury> Right; if you have an Android smartphone, go to Settings > More Settings> Tethering and Portable Hotspot
[18:15] <Freddie_Mercury> And there there should be a tickmark to check when you've connected the smartphone via USB to your computer.
[18:15] <Guest14> I meen a broadband modem and a simcard  in the usb port.
[18:16] <Freddie_Mercury> Ohhh.
[18:16] <Freddie_Mercury> Probably you can?
[18:21] <Freddie_Mercury> Guest14, it seems one of the problems people experience is that the modem is detected as a storage device and not a modem. This details how to fix that, should it happen http://askubuntu.com/questions/143989/3g-usb-modem-not-working-in-12-04
[18:23] <Freddie_Mercury> Guest14, thing is, many mobile broadband modems have Windows and OSX drivers, which work for those other OS's once the drive is inserted.
[18:23] <Freddie_Mercury> But of course, since Linux can't use those drivers, it only detects it as a USB flash drive.
[18:23] <Freddie_Mercury> So some extra work is required.
[18:38] <nerd351> Hi I'm new user of Lubuntu
[18:38] <nerd351> I find it awesom
[18:38] <nerd351> It's not diffrent From windows :)
[18:39] <leszek> oO
[18:39] <aedigital> urggh
[18:39] <aedigital> :)
[18:39] <leszek> nerd351: not sure if this is a compliment or
[18:39] <aedigital> hehehehe
[18:40] <nerd351> yeah it is
[18:40] <Freddie_Mercury> If you mean the looks, maybe it isn't.
[18:40] <nerd351> but its true
[18:40] <nerd351> too
[18:40] <Freddie_Mercury> But philosophically speaking...
[18:40] <Freddie_Mercury> Windows and Ubuntu, and GNU/Linux in general, are very differnet.
[18:40] <Freddie_Mercury> different
[18:40] <nerd351> It's easy for a normal user to Be Linux user
[18:41] <Freddie_Mercury> Yes, desktop environments have made that easier.
[18:41] <Freddie_Mercury> That still doesn't mean people should shy away from the terminal.
[18:41] <nerd351> that's what i'm talking about
[18:41] <Freddie_Mercury> That's where real power lies.
[18:41] <Guest14> I think he meens the menu system. It is look like windows envirement.
[18:41] <Freddie_Mercury> Yes, I know.
[18:41] <nerd351> I hated ubuntu For the unity
[18:41] <Freddie_Mercury> Heh. :)
[18:42] <nerd351> also Seen mint What do u think Bro ?
[18:42] <nerd351> Which one is Great ?
[21:12] <waldi_> hi, i freshly installed lubuntu with wubi, now i try to apt-get udate but i get a bunch of 404's and Ign stuff, doesn't seem to work ... how can i fix this?
[21:12] <waldi_> i already tried sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* but doesn't help
[21:16] <genii> waldi_: what says result of cat /etc/issue
[23:09] <Guest14> Can it be correct when i have two computers with lubuntu and there is only new updates showing up for one of them ?
[23:10] <Guest14> Is the updates depended of the hardware ?
[23:19] <Guest14> I guess it is because i am using 32 bit and 64 bit.
[23:19] <Unit193> Or different mirrors.
[23:22] <Guest14> Maybe..
[23:24] <Guest14> Is there any programs who let me comunicate between 2 computer with lubuntu, i meen like local chat on the same network ?