[02:41] <loganlamb> anyone here? a friend just told me about the register article and I wanted to touch base
[02:47] <nhaines> loganlamb: it'll be quiet for another 5 hours or so.  Which article?
[02:48] <loganlamb> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/10/18/attacker_slips_malware_past_ubuntu_phone_checks/
[02:49] <RAOF> What particularly do you want to know about it?
[02:50] <nhaines> It was nice that Canonical were able to reach out to anyone affected.  And it was easy to fix.  Not that this is scaleable.  :)
[02:50] <loganlamb> well, I wrote it
[02:50] <loganlamb> I figured we’d end up chatting tomorrow, but wanted to touch base tonight
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[07:24] <zzarr> Hello! how do I select the order of my scopes?
[07:31] <matv1> zzarr its a little bit undiscoverable. In the scope overview, long press one of the scopes that you have. then, you are able to manage them. You can now drag any of you home scopes up or down by pressing the trailing iconicon
[07:31] <nhaines> zzarr: swipe up to enter the scopes pinning screen, then long press on the list and you'll be able to reorder your favorited scopes by dragging.
[07:32] <zzarr> matv1 and nhaines thank you :)
[07:33] <matv1> np
[07:34] <nhaines> zzarr: my pleasure.  Much easier than what I used to do (which was just make sure to favorite them in the right order, lol).
[07:34] <zzarr> sweet, now the scopes are in the order I want them to :)
[07:34] <matv1> one could almost call that an easter egg  :)
[07:35] <zzarr> hehe, yes, it should be more obvious I think
[07:35] <zzarr> a button or a symbol of some kind
[07:39] <dholbach> hey popey, who do I talk to to get help-app landings moved to vivid (https://code.launchpad.net/~torsten.franz/help-app/help-app/+merge/274746)?
[07:50] <zzarr> may I ask dholbach why you want apps ti Vivid when Wily is realized the 22:nd?
[07:50] <EdwardMorbius> hello, is OTA-7 coming out today as scheduled? :)
[07:50] <dholbach> zzarr, the phone is based on vivid right now
[07:51] <nhaines> EdwardMorbius: that decision will be made based on future testing.
[07:51] <zzarr> yes, dholbach but OTA-7 is comes today ;)
[07:52] <dholbach> right
[07:52] <dholbach> that's based on vivid too ;-)
[07:52] <nhaines> zzarr: no Ubuntu phone release will be based on wily.
[07:52] <dholbach> and I'm looking forward to it :-)
[07:52] <EdwardMorbius> nhaines ok thanks
[07:54] <zzarr> nhaines, yes ;) that's what I meant
[07:55] <nhaines> zzarr: since the Ubuntu phones will never run wily, the apps need to run on vivid.
[07:56] <zzarr> I assumed that OTA-7 would be based on Wily since it's so close to the release of Wily on desktop
[07:56] <EdwardMorbius> nhaines never run wily? next phone base will be next lts then or still vivid in a foreseeable future?
[07:56] <nhaines> EdwardMorbius: vivid for the foreseable future.
[07:56] <zzarr> ohh... I see, why?
[07:56] <nhaines> zzarr: nope.  It took a month or so to go from utopic to vivid, but they're not planning on switching to wily.
[07:57] <nhaines> They're staying where they are, and eventually will port everything to snappy Ubuntu Core.
[07:57] <zzarr> nhaines, thanks for the heads up
[07:58] <EdwardMorbius> nhaines I see, so phone is heading for snappy ubuntu core in the future, thanks for the information.
[07:59] <zzarr> little off topic: will the desktop version be heading for snappy too?
[07:59] <nhaines> EdwardMorbius: the phone, servers, desktops... everything.  :)  Not that the current desktop/server system is going anywhere, of course.
[08:00] <nhaines> zzarr: yup.  Probably test versions in June or July 2016.
[08:00] <EdwardMorbius> nhaines I read about that, I have high hopes for snappy desktop, it seems to have lots of advantages.
[08:00] <nhaines> And at that point, the phone and a snappy desktop will be runnning identical software.
[08:00] <zzarr> nhaines, nice, will MIR be standard in 16.04?
[08:01] <EdwardMorbius> zzarr I dont think so, unity 8 might be optional or so I heard.
[08:01] <nhaines> zzarr: almost certainly not.  Possibly in 16.10, probably by 17.04.
[08:01] <zzarr> nhaines, that's very nice
[08:02] <zzarr> but I will be able to switch to MIR/Unity8 as soon as there are GPU drivers available?
[08:03] <nhaines> It's been installable in Ubuntu since 13.10.
[08:03] <EdwardMorbius> zzarr you can test it
[08:03] <zzarr> yes, but there's no drivers for nVidia GPU's
[08:04] <nhaines> Works fine with the noveau drivers, I believe.
[08:04] <zzarr> or no drivers from the vendor
[08:04] <EdwardMorbius> It works with my Radeon and open source drivers
[08:04] <zzarr> I just realized that, but for some reason noveau is unstable for me
[08:05] <EdwardMorbius> zzarr you have a newer nvidia maybe? nouveau is kind of flaky for some of them
[08:05] <zzarr> (on 2 different computers with different hardware)
[08:05] <zzarr> no, the machines are old
[08:06] <EdwardMorbius> I seen nouveau on an old gt320 in a laptop, works fine in 14.04. which ubuntu do you run?
[08:07] <zzarr> one MacBook 5.1 (late 2008) and one stationary machine with a ASUS mainboard a D525 CPU and a nVidia ION LE GPU
[08:07] <zzarr> 15.04 on both
[08:08] <EdwardMorbius> unfortunately I have seen those gpus in action, seen gt/gtx series only. I am guessing properietary drivers no longer exist for them?
[08:08] <EdwardMorbius> havent*
[08:09] <zzarr> yes, I have proprietary drivers
[08:09] <zzarr> they exist
[08:09] <EdwardMorbius> good, nvidia is usually better with those than amd.
[08:10] <EdwardMorbius> amd linux drivers are well...for most gpus
[08:10] <zzarr> they have resiliently extended so a few more years
[08:13] <EdwardMorbius> I am off now and wait for OTA-7 eventually XD have fun people
[08:19] <zzarr> I can't launch the ssh shell on my phone from the SDK, what could be wrong? (the phone does have developer mode enabled)
[08:35] <rbasak> Are the lockscreen hanging issues since the last OTA a known bug?
[08:36] <rbasak> After a notification comes in, I often get a flashing screen (flapping between on and off) and attempts to pull down the notification bar from the top cause the screen to go off (I think because of the proximity sensor).
[08:36] <rbasak> Sometimes the lock screen becomes completely unresponsive and I have to hard reset.
[08:37] <rbasak> (bq Aquaris 4.5)
[08:39] <zzarr> rbasak, happens to me too, I have a Meizu MX4, but if I wait long enough it comes back
[08:40] <robin-hero> rbasak: If I'm right it is fixed in OTA-7, which is coming today
[08:44] <zzarr> robin-hero, that's amazing :)
[08:48] <zzarr> ahh, I missed the line saying "developer tools not installed", I'll just do that and try the ssh again (don't know if it will help or not)
[08:48] <Guest42341> hi all
[08:48] <robin-hero> hi
[08:48] <Guest42341> where is ota7? :))
[08:49] <nhaines> Being tested.
[08:49] <nhaines> The decision won't be made until evening.
[08:50] <Guest42341> i see, thanks nhaines
[08:50] <rbasak> Thanks all. I look forward to the update.
[08:50] <rbasak> Does anyone know the bug number for the lockscreen issue? Only for my curiosity.
[08:50] <zzarr> are the developer tools referenced in Ubuntu SDK the phablet-tools package?
[08:51] <robin-hero> I have been using r26 (bq 4.5) since Friday :) nhaines: What do you test on it?
[08:52] <mardy> mpt: hi! When you have some time, coul you please comment on this thread: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg16242.html
[08:53] <nhaines> robin-hero: I'm not involved with the release testing (the manufacturers do that).  I keep my Nexus 7 around to test some things.  My Nexus 5 is currently running Android 6.0, so no dual-booting there for now.
[08:56] <robin-hero> rbasak: here's an issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-system-compositor/+bug/1485737 I'm still looking for the other
[08:58] <robin-hero> rbasak: The other one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1491566
[09:01] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Clean Your Virtual Desktop Day! 😃
[09:07] <nhaines> No, I don't think I'll be observing that one today.  :)
[09:08] <rbasak> robin-hero: thanks. I'm not sure either of those symptoms match mine exactly, but perhaps the underlying issue is the same. I'll see if this next OTA fixes it.
[09:29] <jnxd> So, i there gonna be an ubuntu-release-party today?
[09:29] <nhaines> Mostly Thursday, I imagine.
[09:29] <jnxd> I meant the OTA-7
[09:30] <jnxd> for phones
[09:30] <nhaines> If anyone knew, it'd be out.  They're testing.
[09:31] <jnxd> okay
[09:31] <popey> there you go
[09:31] <nhaines> There we go.
[09:31] <sil2100> Yes, first 6% of users shoudl get their updates
[09:32] <sil2100> Phasing should be finished before tomorrow I suspect :)
[09:32] <jnxd> (y)
[09:33]  * popey hugs sil2100 
[09:33] <nhaines> sil2100: any release notes or anything I can throw up in /r/Ubuntu?
[09:34] <sil2100> nhaines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-7 is the official 'quick look' on the update contents
[09:34] <sil2100> The release e-mail will be sent out in a moment
[09:34] <nhaines> Just as I thought.
[09:35] <nhaines> sil2100: much obliged.
[09:35] <sil2100> nhaines: yw!
[09:35]  * sil2100 hugs popey
[09:35] <sil2100> :)
[09:36] <nhaines> And furthermore, congrats.  :)
[09:38] <robin-hero> \o/ :)
[09:43] <jnxd> sil2100: what mailing list would it be sent on?
[09:43] <sil2100> jnxd: ubuntu
[09:43] <sil2100> Argh, cat on the keyboard
[09:43] <jnxd> ok
[09:43] <sil2100> jnxd: I mean, ubuntu-phone
[09:44]  * sil2100 loves how his cat helps him in IRC conversations
[09:44] <jnxd> sil2100: can an anyone join that list?
[09:44] <sil2100> jnxd: yes, it's an open list :)
[09:44] <jnxd> sil2100: link to join?
[09:45] <jnxd> coz on the launchpad page, "mail ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net Policy: You must be a team member to subscribe to the team mailing list. "
[09:46] <sil2100> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone
[09:46] <sil2100> jnxd: you can join by subscribing to this team :)
[09:47] <jnxd> sil2100: that the problem: I cannot subscribe
[09:47] <sil2100> jnxd: you have a Launchpad profile, right?
[09:47] <jnxd> need to be a team member or something
[09:47] <jnxd> sil2100: yup
[09:47] <popey> 1) join launchpad, 2) join team, 3) join list
[09:47] <sil2100> jnxd: if yes, then first join the ubuntu-phone team
[09:47] <popey> in that order
[09:47] <sil2100> It's an open team, anyone can join
[09:48] <sil2100> Then as popey said
[09:49] <jnxd> okie dokie
[09:49] <jnxd> guess there's nothing but wait then
[09:57] <nhaines> Now if only the web archive would update.  :)
[10:01] <jnxd> is there anyway to update other than through the phone? I kinda can't use that channel because of some proxy issues.
[10:01] <nhaines> You can do it via the desktop.
[10:01] <jnxd> nhaines: details?
[10:01] <robin-hero> sil2100: Did you send the announcment email? Because I can't see yet.
[10:02] <robin-hero> sil2100: Oop, it has just arrived  :)
[10:02] <nhaines> jnxd: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[10:02] <ogra_> jnxd, wrt release party: ... the reason we do rolling releases in phone and snappy is that we can have a release party every day !
[10:02] <jnxd> nhaines: and will that prevent me from getting any further OTA?
[10:03] <nhaines> No.
[10:03] <jnxd> ogra_: lol
[10:04] <nhaines> jnxd: you might want to leave off the --bootstrap bit though, to keep your user data.  Someone else might be more clear on that--it's been a long while since I've done it.
[10:04] <jnxd> nhaines: seems like everything I have will wipe out!
[10:05] <popey> You only ever need bootstrap when coming from android
[10:05] <jnxd> popey: so if I'm already on ubuntu, I'm safe?
[10:05] <popey> safe from what?
[10:05] <popey> What channel are you on?
[10:06] <jgdx> or when you've thoroughly hacked your installation to pieces
[10:06] <jnxd> from losing all the pics I've taken, all the music I have, blah blah
[10:06] <popey> OTA doesn't delete your personal data
[10:06] <jnxd> popey: well, I am on the channel the phone was on when I bought it
[10:06] <popey> same here
[10:06] <popey> you'll get OTA-7 some time today/tomorrow
[10:06] <jnxd> so something like stable/bqaquaris.en
[10:06] <Guest42341> he's asking how to flash ota7 from pc without wiping user data
[10:07] <Guest42341> jnxd, right?
[10:08] <jnxd> popey: see, the issue is, that uPhone still does not implement proxy properly. So I have to either go around begging someone for internet without proxy, or try flashing through PC
[10:08] <jnxd> Guest42341: yeah
[10:09] <popey> which phone?
[10:09] <jnxd> e5
[10:09] <popey> ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en --device=vegetahd
[10:09] <popey> give that a go
[10:09] <popey> it should print out the image number it's downloading near the start of the process
[10:10] <popey> if it's less than #6 then it's not flashing ota-7
[10:10] <nhaines> 5 is right out.
[10:10] <jnxd> popey: okay, and I ctrl+c before it's done downloading?
[10:11] <popey> i think there's also a download-only option which won't flash it
[10:12] <jnxd> popey: fine then. I'll try that out
[10:15] <jnxd> popey: I think "adb shell system-image-cli --dry-run" is close to what you meant
[10:16] <nhaines> I can see the OMG Ubuntu headline now.  "Ubuntu developers abandon promised OTA-7 to work on OTA-8 instead."  :)
[10:16] <jnxd> popey: nhaines: is there any way to install ubuntu apps and scopes by the PC route?
[10:16] <davmor2> jnxd: you know it's a phone right, so it has a sim that has data, if your plan is big enough you can set the update mechanism to trigger on any data type and install it via 3g
[10:17] <popey> jnxd: no
[10:17]  * rbasak just got OTA-7
[10:17] <popey> jnxd: i didn't "mean" that at all, I typed exactly what I meant
[10:17] <rbasak> Seems to have installed OK
[10:17]  * popey shakes fist at rbasak 
[10:17] <jnxd> davmor2: I'm just a poor guy, blah blah blah
[10:18] <jnxd> popey: well, "mean" in the sense that it serves the same purpose: I get to know what I'd be downloading
[10:19] <nhaines> Well, no, the purpose of what popey meant was that it downloaded the file on the PC without installing it, so that you could see the image number without risking your device.
[10:20] <davmor2> jnxd: ah okay, that just means you need no sympathy though right?
[10:21] <jnxd> nhaines: but if I go for a dry run, it should in principle tell me what version it'll download without me having to download it!
[10:22] <jnxd> davmor2: well, a guy with limited data ALWAYS needs sympathy :D (which is why I didn't complete the lyrics)
[10:22] <nhaines> jnxd: it won't be helpful, though.  The phone's phased but the computer won't be.
[10:22] <jnxd> nhaines: aah
[10:23] <jnxd> nhaines: i think i get the idea
[10:25] <jnxd> nhaines: popey's "no" was a little ambiguous, so let me ask again: is there any way to install ubuntu apps and scopes by the PC route?
[10:26] <nhaines> If you could get them.  There's no convenient way.
[10:26] <jnxd> nhaines: okay. so I'm stuck
[10:27] <nhaines> You push the click package to the phone via adb or MTP, then you run a shell on the phone.  'pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted foobar.click'
[10:27] <popey> my "no" was to your question about adb shell
[10:28] <Guest42341> jnxd, as nhaines said you can but it's not very easy. to browse the apps and download see this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Interfaces/ClickPackageIndex
[10:28] <popey> you can grab clicks from the store and 'side load' (ugh) them as nhaines says
[10:28] <zzarr> when will OTA-7 be released?
[10:28] <nhaines> zzarr: 50 minutes ago.
[10:29] <zzarr> nhaines, nice, I'll install it now :D
[10:29] <nhaines> Maybe!
[10:29] <jnxd> zzarr: or, if my mail client is to be believed, 12 hours ago (heavens know how that came to be)
[10:29] <nhaines> zzarr: it's only rolling out to 6% of the users right now.  It'll continue rolling out over today.
[10:30] <zzarr> nhaines, okey, not overloading the servers I guess ;)
[10:30] <nhaines> Or destroying every phone at once, if there's a problem.  ;)
[10:30] <zzarr> nhaines, right
[10:31] <nhaines> Actually, I wonder if system-image-cli is phased.  Now that I think of it.
[10:31] <Guest42341> we should have an opt-in for a faster OTA (maybe 2-3 days earlier)
[10:32] <nhaines> I should suspect not.
[10:32] <ogra_> Guest42341, nah, instead of producing extra work for everyone through that, people wantin something earlier should run rc-proposed and reprot bugs ;)
[10:33] <nhaines> Oh, nice.  Someone's already downvoted my reddit post.  :)
[10:33] <Guest42341> :))
[10:33] <nhaines> But it's stickied, so it's not going anywhere, so the joke's on them!
[10:34] <Guest42341> ogra_, after this ota i'll jump on rc (stable channel is boring for me)
[10:35] <zzarr> ohh, I just remembered, I got a notification from my phone that there was an update on Friday, but there was not one, a bit odd
[10:35] <nhaines> zzarr: was an error in staging for OTA-7.
[10:38] <zzarr> nhaines, that explains it, I thought something like that was the case
[10:39] <ogra_> zzarr, you shoudl subscribe to the mailing list ;)
[10:39] <ogra_> (it was described there)
[10:39] <zzarr> nhaines, how are the 6% that have gotten OTA-7 selected?
[10:40] <Guest42341> random
[10:40] <popey> it involves chickens, chalk and candles
[10:40] <zzarr> ogra_, you're right, I should
[10:41] <zzarr> popey, I ate chicken for dinner today, does that affect when I get OTA-7?
[10:41]  * jnxd thinks popey took server "farms" a bit too literally
[10:42] <ogra_> zzarr, that food indicated OTA algorithm specifically looks at what sides you had since everything tastes like chicken
[10:43] <zzarr> ogra_, nice, I like that kind of algorithms :) good food and updates for my phone ;)
[10:45] <zzarr> ohh, nice, the little embedded computer I have here does what I want it to do :)
[10:46] <zzarr> I have an XMPP chat and it floods it like no tomorrow :)
[10:52] <nhaines> willcooke: are you going to try to make it to Ubucon Summit at SCALE?  :)
[10:58] <willcooke> nhaines, don't think I'll be able to make it, but I expect folk on the team will
[10:58] <nhaines> willcooke: sorry to hear that, but I'm looking forward to seeing the others.
[10:59] <nhaines> And of course, if you do make it that'd always be great.  :)
[11:01] <nhaines> Well, bedtime for me.  Stayed up too late waiting for announcements so I could post to reddit.  Good night.  :)
[11:02] <matv1> could you guys see your way to making the phone app rotatable in OTA7. That would be great for dialing out!
[11:02] <matv1> http://postimg.org/image/3yv4m9utt/
[11:03] <zzarr> nhaines, bye, thanks
[11:19] <ahoneybun> nice mako OTA-7 is out the door
[11:21] <ahoneybun> the removal of hotspot of mako should be on the release notes
[12:29] <ogra_> sil2100, popey, shouldnt the release notes also mention and link the USN for the click fix ?
[12:29] <popey> it is a wiki :)
[12:29] <ogra_> <- its a lazy :)
[12:42] <stakewinner00> there are something like synaptic for ubuntu touch? (I want to change the repos of vivid to wily without using the terminal)
[12:43] <jgdx> vi /etc/apt… doesn't work?
[12:44] <stakewinner00> jgdx, probably it works, but using the terminal on a phone is slow.
[12:46] <mcphail> Will bq phones get OTA-7 today, or will we wait on the bq QA process again?
[12:49] <stakewinner00> mcphail, I have a bq and received a update today
[12:50] <mcphail> stakewinner00: cheers! I'm eager to get this one
[12:50] <popey> mcphail: qa already happened
[12:51] <stakewinner00> I hope that the bugs of music player are fixed...
[12:51] <popey> which bugs?
[12:51] <mcphail> popey: nice. Can't wait to see if it improves my lag at work
[12:51] <popey> stakewinner00: don't switch the phone to wily, it _will_ break
[12:52] <stakewinner00> popey, some strange bugs that cause music player to "crash" (don't play any song). And i have to close and open again the music player.
[12:52] <stakewinner00> popey, wily is not the 15.x branch and vivid the 14.x?
[12:52] <popey> stakewinner00: if you get that again, can you file a bug and attach the music app log file from ~/.cache/upstart on the device please?
[12:53] <mcphail> stakewinner00: are these songs which have a "#" in the name or path, by any chance?
[12:53] <stakewinner00> popey, of course, it happen often.
[12:53] <popey> thanks
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> OTA7 look very promising tnx for the work devs!! http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-7-update-released-brings-improved-app-startup-times-494820.shtml
[13:03]  * tathhu waits for OTA8 and music controls(?)
[13:04]  * mcphail waits for OTA9 and the new bluetooth stack :)
[13:04] <tathhu> :P
[13:05]  * tathhu doesn't use bluetooth :(
[13:05] <stakewinner00> popey, I have a log with a message "Client died, resetting pipeline" that seems the log of the crash
[13:05] <popey> that's it?
[13:07] <lotuspsychje> step by step ota updates are nice, at least we dont have issues like Ios upgrade/downgrade nightmares
[13:08] <stakewinner00> It seems, it say that Client died and there are no more logs about music player.
[13:08] <popey> stakewinner00: were you playing a track at the time?
[13:11] <jnxd> nhaines: I recently asked here for device update through PC, using ubuntu-device-flash. Just trying that now, and it seems to be stuck at "Start pushing ~/.cache/ubuntuimages/gpg/image-signing.tar.xz to device". Is this normal behavior?
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> i had an ubuntu one account loop on bq 4.5 recently, it said account error on 2 working logins resetting device to defaults didnt fix, after few times retry it worked again ayone knows if its an existing bug?
[13:15] <stakewinner00> i'll wait that music player crash again, maybe the OTA-7 fixed the bug
[13:22] <jnxd> popey: any input?
[13:23] <tathhu> dev mode enabled?
[13:28] <jnxd> tathhu: yeah
[13:29] <jnxd> tathhu: it went past it, said it'll reboot to recovery, then reboots to something different than the default, now says Failed to enter Recovery, while it is still in recovery!
[13:41] <tathhu> jnxd, had that with my nexus7
[13:41] <tathhu> jm
[13:41] <tathhu> hm
[13:41] <tathhu> lol
[13:42] <ogra_> jnxd, well, it tells you that it couldnt connect to recovery via adb ... the message could be a bit more clear i guess
[13:42] <jnxd> tathhu: well, it's booted now, and seems to reflect version 6 (on e5)
[13:42] <jnxd> no visible changes found yet, though :/
[13:43] <dobey> nhaines: hey, are you still using ubuntu on a hammerhead?
[13:44] <dobey> lotuspsychje: is it still an issue? it might have just been bad timing and you were trying to log in while a new server deploy was happening
[13:44] <matv1> OTA 7 looking very smooth indeed on my N4 . Thanks everyone.
[13:45] <jnxd> tathhu: if you have got the latest, is there any visible change I could see?
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> dobey: no its fixxed now mate tnx!
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> dobey: just wanted to know if you guys knew about
[13:46] <tathhu> jnxd, i haven't noticed anything
[13:47] <jnxd> tathhu: okay browser got a slightly different look
[13:47] <tathhu> it seems that it doesn't freeze anymore
[13:47] <tathhu> lol
[13:47] <tathhu> haven't used it :D
[13:47] <Laney> abeato: jhodapp: hi, was just looking at mediascanner2 (since it got stuck in wily-proposed) --- it looks like qtubuntu-media in wily doesn't actually use the mediascanner bits atm, is that right?
[13:48] <tathhu> also i've randomly lost mobile data but a) iirc it happened on ota6 too b) my operator might just suck
[13:48] <jhodapp> Laney, it does not, and we're about to land a sync that will fully remove the parts that call to mediascanner
[13:48] <tathhu> /carrier/whatevwr
[13:48] <Laney> jhodapp: ok, does it just do that?
[13:48] <Laney> only wily is getting a bit frozen
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> dobey, popey and the weird thing after i reset the bq 4.5 to defaults again telegram started working again (crashed on startup before)
[13:49] <jhodapp> Laney, it's a full sync from vivid
[13:49] <dobey> lotuspsychje: telegram probably had a corrupted cache or something then
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> dobey: probably
[13:54] <Laney> jhodapp: ok, thanks - how close are you?
[13:55] <jhodapp> Laney, testing it now, then ready to land
[13:55] <jhodapp> Laney, so maybe an hour or two
[13:55] <Laney> ok
[13:55] <Laney> thanks
[13:55] <jhodapp> np
[13:56] <matv1> although hmm.. is it just me or is battery running down faster then before..?
[13:57] <matv1> maybe just me testing it to death
[13:58] <matv1> keeping an eye on it
[13:58] <mcphail> matv1: for some reason, battery always seems to go down faster immediately after an OTA on my phone
[13:58] <mcphail> matv1: tends to settle after 1st charge
[13:58] <matv1> mcphail ah ok.
[13:59]  * dobey wonders how to build images for a system-image server
[14:02] <mariogrip> dobey: Just package an tarball (tar.xz) where (boot.img and system.img) is placed in a folder named partitions and the system files is placed in a folder named system (example system/var/lib/lxc/system.img or system/etc/nginx/test.conf)
[14:03] <dobey> mariogrip: i mean in the broader context of "where do i get the kernel for this device and how do i build it exactly"
[14:03] <mariogrip> oh
[14:04] <dobey> taking the existing tarballs and repacking them should be easy enough. but i have no idea how to actually build the rekernel for the nexus5 for repacking based on the mako images, for example
[14:04] <dobey> because tassader's server is way behind, missing channels, etc… and i haven't seen him around for some time now :-/
[14:05] <mariogrip> that should be easy, just take the device tarball from his server and take the system (ubuntu) tarball from generic or mako
[14:06] <mariogrip> that should work
[14:06] <mariogrip> they are spited into 2 different tarballs
[14:07] <mariogrip> like boot and device specific settings is on the device tarball and all common ubuntu system files is placed on a ubuntu tarball
[14:10] <binar> according to the porting guide, the apparmor patches should be taken from something like http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-utopic.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/mako, however this 404s
[14:10] <binar> is there any recent recommendation?
[14:20] <jgdx> kenvandine, the ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_sound.SoundTestCase.test_silent_mode_sound_switch failure seems real. Maybe I've broken something.
[14:20] <jgdx> the updates failures as well
[14:20] <jgdx> but not related to the 1.3 branch
[14:25] <eddiemaiden> Hey, If I updated my phone at Friday when the "accidental" release was happaned, Will I also get a new OTA? Or is it the same release?
[14:28] <matv1> eddiemaiden it is the same
[14:29] <eddiemaiden> matv1: Thanks, but I read somewhere a fix was missing from that release...
[14:29] <kenvandine> jgdx, yeah, i was just looking at that
[14:29] <kenvandine> jgdx, so those are failing on other branches too?
[14:30] <kenvandine> jgdx, the test_space test was the one that passed in the CI run before this one
[14:30] <kenvandine> so that one at least seems to be flaky
[14:30] <matv1> eddiemaiden ah then i missed that. I just remember Lukasz saying in the mailing list that it was the same one
[14:33] <eddiemaiden> matv1: Yes, he said that, but If I am right davmor2 said a fix was missing from that release
[14:34] <davmor2> eddiemaiden: it's the same unless you are on the MX4
[14:35] <davmor2> eddiemaiden: in which case you should get a new update
[14:35] <eddiemaiden> davmor2: No, I'm on bq E4.5. Thanks!
[14:37] <neolynx> hi ogra_
[14:37] <neolynx> I'm having troubles getting the "UI-less" adbd to work which is mentioned on https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/porting-new-device/
[14:38] <neolynx> if I replace the binary and restart adbd, I can no longer login with adb shell, adb devices does not show my device
[14:38] <jgdx> kenvandine, the sound failure fails with "undefined .activate" are in other branches.
[14:42] <neolynx> can anyone give me some information about how to build an adbd for ubuntu '
[15:07] <jhodapp> jamesh, ping
[15:08] <Guest42341> and nope, still no ota7 :'(
[15:10] <popey> me either :)
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> me neither :p
[15:10] <popey> nexus 4 got it
[15:11] <mariogrip> AUDIO_DEVICE_OUT_EARPIECE is the audio jack right?
[15:11] <Guest42341> you have like 10 phones :))
[15:11] <dobey> mariogrip: right (sorry, got distracted by work for a bit :), but i don't know where the kernel source for the kernel is for ubuntu for hammerhead. i'm pretty sure it needs rebuilt with some newer changes at this point
[15:12] <mariogrip> you probably don't need to
[15:12] <dobey> mariogrip: given how it's behaving with the latest image from the other server, i'm pretty sure something has changed that broke stuff
[15:14] <Guest42341> popey, do you know what's the current % of updated phones? there is a thread on reddit but it's old news now (6%) https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/3pc1uk/ubuntu_ota7_phased_updates_are_now_in_progress/
[15:21] <mariogrip> dobey: I made a image for hammerhead on my server based on the stable branch (not tested, but probably works) http://system-image.ubports.com/ubuntu-touch/stable/hammerhead/
[15:21] <mariogrip> this will automatically update, every update to stable
[15:23] <mariogrip> and, i rellay don't think you need to update the kernel, it's have been the same android 4.4 kernel since last year
[15:26] <popey> Guest42341: i dont
[15:26] <jamesh> jhodapp: hi.  I just replied to your email.  It's late here, but if there's anything else you need to know hopefully I can help
[15:26] <dobey> mariogrip: yes, it's still the same kernel base. but the video is broke on n5, and i'd like to rebuild with whatever changes are necessary for bluez5. there's also a seccomp backport about to end up in the supported phone images, and i'd like to pull that in for hammerhead too
[15:26] <jhodapp> jamesh, alright
[15:28] <mariogrip> dobey:  Ah, okey. I donno where the source is, it was rsalveti that did the port i believe
[15:29] <rsalveti> the source is in the phablet repos
[15:29] <rsalveti> and the package is available in the archive
[15:33] <mariogrip> dobey: https://code-review.phablet.ubuntu.com/#/admin/projects/aosp/device/lge/hammerhead-kernel
[15:48] <bobloblian> awe: good morning.  seems you were right about the 2G spectrum not being available.  Documentation says it is there, but when we tested it thoroughly it wasn't, so we sent an email to the NOC and they confirmed that 2G was dropped.  I will phone the other carrier today and see if they can support my phone.  Just a shame I might have to continue supporting Bell for cell service...
[15:53] <awe> bobloblian, ok.  thanks for confirmation!  Please let us know what happens with Bell.  Also, did you see my email over the weekend?  We'll hold off on further discussion with BQ till we hear back from you.
[15:53] <awe> john-mcaleely, ^^
[15:53] <john-mcaleely> awe, bobloblian thanks!
[16:12] <bobloblian> awe: I do not see a mail from you, no, let me look again though...
[16:13] <awe> bobloblian, I replied directly to your email to the mailing list; subject: Re: [Ubuntu-phone] can't get cell network connection
[16:14] <bobloblian> oohhh, that mail!! heh, haven't checked that in a few days, stand by while I read it...
[16:16] <bobloblian> okay, so I am using the E5...
[16:16] <bobloblian> and with regard to the carriers, I will have to try the other one before we go back to BQ, it might not be their problem
[16:17] <bobloblian> I got a stack of work to get through today, so not sure if I will have time to contact them today or not, but as soon as I know something I will be sure to let you know
[16:56] <arioBarzan> possible to run desktop apps on u-touch?
[16:57] <ogra_> it will be by 16.04
[16:57] <arioBarzan> mouse support?
[16:57] <ogra_> already there
[16:58] <ogra_> BT or USB keyboard and mouse just work ... and the phone even switches to desktop mode ...
[16:59] <Guest42341> arioBarzan, what desktop apps do you have in mind?
[17:00] <arioBarzan> thinking about buying a nexus 10 to use as a laptop and a tablet.
[17:00] <arioBarzan> need some simple apps to work
[17:00] <arioBarzan> like libre office
[17:00] <Guest42341> and gimp :))
[17:00] <arioBarzan> yeap
[17:02] <ogra_> i'm not sure the N10 is still supported
[17:02] <ogra_> it might have silently died
[17:02] <ogra_> (i think the N7 is the only tablet that gets QA tested etc)
[17:03] <Guest42341> Bq has a bunch of tablets ;) maybe they can ubuntify some of them
[17:03] <Guest42341> i'll buy 3
[17:03] <ogra_> lol
[17:08] <arioBarzan> ogra_: by desktop mode you meant windowed mode enabled through gsettings flag?
[17:08] <ogra_> yes
[17:08] <ogra_> it auto-switches once you attach a mouse
[17:08] <popey> or just "attach" a bluetooth keyboard or mouse
[17:08] <popey> yeah
[17:08] <ogra_> kbd alone doesnt trigger it (luckily)
[17:08] <arioBarzan> that's great
[17:09] <popey> ogra_: it does
[17:09] <ogra_> not here
[17:10] <ogra_> i used a BT kbd on the weekend on my MX4
[17:10] <ogra_> could use the terminal fine in landscape fullscreen mode
[17:10] <ogra_> there were no frames
[17:11] <popey> odd
[17:11] <dobey> why are there two "Notes" apps in the store from "Ubuntu Core App Developers" ?
[17:11] <popey> wonder if that was changed
[17:11] <popey> one is the legacy one
[17:11] <dobey> popey: how am i supposed to tell which is which?
[17:11] <popey> different icon
[17:11] <dobey> popey: how am i supposed to tell which is which?
[17:11] <popey> different icon
[17:12] <dobey> …
[17:12] <popey> ogra_: hm, its not doing it now, could have sworn it did
[17:12] <popey> maybe i nudged the mouse when i touched the keyboard
[17:12] <ogra_> that would be bad
[17:12] <dobey> that does not tell me which one is which
[17:12] <dobey> or why there needs to be two of them in the store
[17:12] <popey> because people have different tastes
[17:13] <popey> you could long press and look at the screenshot
[17:13] <popey> one says 'powered by evernote', the other doesn't
[17:13] <popey> I could update the description if that helps
[17:13] <dobey> one is actually "Reminders" then?
[17:14] <popey> maybe the legacy one could say "Simple Notes app with no sync capability"
[17:14] <popey> suggestions welcome
[17:14] <OerHeks> https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.notes with pencil icon is no longer maintained.
[17:14] <arioBarzan> possible to connect any of supported devices to an external monitor? N7 or BQ-Aquaris?
[17:14] <popey> arioBarzan: n7 and n4
[17:15] <dobey> ugh
[17:15] <dobey> why is the one that is an evernote app, not called "Evernote" ?
[17:16] <popey> Because Evernote LLC don't allow that
[17:16] <popey> Also, the one that syncs to evernote has _optional_ sync to evernote
[17:16] <popey> you can edit notes locally and never use evernote
[17:17] <dobey> but it doesn't import notes from the old notes app does it?
[17:17] <popey> no
[17:17] <popey> brb
[17:17] <dobey> :-/
[17:24] <arioBarzan> popey: display connection needs something like "slimport hdmi adapter" ?
[17:29] <ogra_> arioBarzan, yes
[17:35] <davmor2> dobey: man there is no pleasing you is there :P
[17:37] <dobey> davmor2: it's almsot like i'm doing qa or something
[17:37] <davmor2> dobey: no it's not, trust me it's not.
[17:38] <arioBarzan> interesting yTube -> c3PUYoa1c9M
[17:38] <arioBarzan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3PUYoa1c9M
[17:39] <dobey> whatever
[17:51] <popey> dobey: so, suggestions for store text description edits welcom...
[17:51] <popey> *welcome
[17:57] <dobey> popey: the text description is not the problem. the two apps have almost the same icon, the exact same visible name. the "new" app behaves differently and doesn't import any data from the abandoned app, so there is no migration path.
[17:57] <dobey> i don't understand why the new app was renamed from reminders, considering that's pretty much what it's designed to do
[18:02] <popey> dobey: I never use the reminder functionality, only the note taking function.
[18:03] <dobey> popey: i mean, the UX seems to be all about reminders and organization (stuffing things in lists) rather than just jotting some text down in a note, where the actual "notes" app is more like just throwing something on a sticky note
[18:18] <arioBarzan> anyone tried ubuntu-touch on a surface pro 3?
[18:20] <arioBarzan> or any other tablets with intel cpu instead of arm?
[18:20] <ogra_> popey, btw, you talked about adblock ... http://hostsfile.mine.nu/Hosts  (3MB !) ... replace /etc/hosts ... done :)
[18:21] <popey> ogra_: on the phone?
[18:22] <ogra_> yeah
[18:22] <popey> isnt it r/o?
[18:22] <ogra_> (ineed you need to make it writable temporarily ... but it removes all ads from all games i have installed)
[18:23] <popey> shame we can't use iptables as phablet
[18:23] <ogra_> now if chrisccoulson had some docs about how to intercept dns lookups in an oxide webview i could build that into my clicks :)
[18:23] <popey> or build an app which does it
[18:24] <ogra_> though i guess a 3MB db lookup would slow everything down a lot for each url that gets loaded by a site
[18:26] <dobey> changing /etc/hosts is a hack
[18:26] <ogra_> well, it was just for trying
[18:26] <ogra_> i would actually like to have it integrateable in a webview
[18:27] <ogra_> but i couldnt find a way yet
[18:27] <dobey> it would be nice if webbrowser-app had a method of blocking ads by modifying the DOM, and all webapps just picked it up without having to provide anything themselves, though
[18:28] <ogra_> well
[18:28] <dobey> i use it to block other annoying things than just ads
[18:28] <dobey> (in firefox/chromium that is)
[18:29] <ogra_> adbllock by default moght not actually be the most compelling argument for network providers to actually offer ubuntu phones :)
[18:29] <dobey> i didn't say it had to be there by default
[18:29] <ogra_> especially if they want to make money via content :)
[18:30] <dobey> i'd be happy to install an extension from the store :)
[18:37]  * mcphail is struggling to work out why modifying /etc/hosts is a hack? Surely it is being used as intended?
[18:37] <dobey> mcphail: it doesn't block things served from the same domain, for one.
[18:38] <dobey> and it's not usable by everyone
[18:38] <ogra_> it is a proper blacklist mechanism ... usually ... on PCs ... which are not readonly ...
[18:39] <mcphail> dobey: it isn't perfect, but it isn't a hack. And I am very happy to see ads served from the same domain: I'm against ad syndication where the site owner abrogates responsibility for the ad content
[18:39] <ogra_> it is surely not a proper solution for the phone ;)
[18:39] <ogra_> mcphail, if you need to make the rootfs rw (even temporary) it is a hack
[18:40] <mcphail> OK, I'll take that point
[18:40] <dobey> ogra_: it's not a proper solution for PCs either. it's something that requires excessive technical knowledge to make use of
[18:40] <ogra_> would be nice to have an /etc/hosts.d dir ... writable ... where people can dump files in
[18:41] <dobey> would be better to have a proper ad blocking solution with proper UI ;)
[18:41] <ogra_> talk to adblock ... :)
[18:41] <ogra_> they will probably tell you "yeah once whatsapp is there" :P
[18:41] <dobey> apparently adblock is evil now, having sold out to an anonymous buyer
[18:41] <mcphail> The android /etc/hosts adblockers manage to work well, with good UI. It _is_ possible
[18:42] <dobey> ogra_: adblock existing as an extension or not though, is only useful once the browser actually supports extensions :)
[18:42] <dobey> mcphail: don't all of them require "jailbreaking" the device?
[18:43] <mcphail> dobey: yes, you need root
[18:43] <ogra_> right, you could have an unconfined click that provides that UI (and remounts using sudo etc etc )
[18:44] <ogra_> so android also uses a hack :)
[18:44] <ogra_> just that google allows hackish packages into their store ... we dont
[18:44] <mcphail> My mind is boggling. When did using root for admin purposes become a hack?
[18:44] <dobey> how is ad blocking "admin purposes" exactly?
[18:45] <ogra_> mcphail, the hack is to do it on that low level
[18:45] <mcphail> controlling the network is an admin task, surely?
[18:45] <ogra_> and to give users the gun ... loaded ... pinting at their face ... and put their finger on the trigger
[18:45] <dobey> when did network administration become a required field of knowledge for people to have a decent experience using their phone or the web?
[18:45] <ogra_> a phone user shouldnt have to fiddle with /etc/hosts
[18:46] <ogra_> not even if there is a nice UI on top
[18:46] <mcphail> ogra_: they don't have to. Check out the android apps. Press the big red button. That's it
[18:46] <ogra_> (that might do whatnot to your system ... its a java binary, how do you knwo)
[18:46] <dobey> if you have to jailbreak your phone, you already lost
[18:47] <mcphail> We don't have to jailbreak Ubuntu
[18:47] <dobey> you do if you want to write to /etc/hosts
[18:47] <ogra_> if you want a UI
[18:48] <mcphail> ogra_: unless the functionality can be provided in a framework
[18:48] <ogra_> sure
[18:48] <dobey> you mean like a browser extension?
[18:48] <ogra_> and the hosts file gets writable
[18:48] <ogra_> then you could have something like that
[18:49] <mcphail> It would be easier than a browser extension and would apply to all apps
[18:50] <mcphail> ANd would save millions of DNS lookups
[18:50] <dobey> easier? for whom?
[18:50] <mcphail> dobey: easier to implement
[18:51] <dobey> and browser extension would not result in those DNS lookups happening either
[18:51] <dobey> unless it's implemented totally wrong
[18:51] <mcphail> dobey: a browser extension wouldn't help with all the webview apps
[18:51] <dobey> it would if it was implemented correctly
[18:51] <ogra_> sure
[18:52] <ogra_> the webview is just a minimal incarnation of the browser
[18:52] <dobey> exactly
[18:52] <mcphail> surely that would break the security model? An extension in one app could affect components in another?
[18:53]  * mcphail pretends altering /etc/hosts is secure
[18:53] <dobey> no, it wouldn't have to break the security model
[18:53] <dobey> and you would actually get a readable web page as a result, with a browser extension, rather than a bunch of broken images and such
[18:54] <mcphail> You don't get broken images with hosts file alteration either
[18:54] <dobey> and modifying /etc/hosts doesn't prevent DNS lookups. it just means they resolve locally
[18:54] <mcphail> dobey: that is a little faster, though
[18:54] <dobey> sure you do. what do you think browsers display for images when they can't load the images?
[18:55] <mcphail> dobey: they haven't displayed placeholders for 10 years
[18:55] <dobey> you must not use the web much :)
[18:55] <mcphail> :)
[18:55] <dobey> browsers definitly display placeholders
[18:56] <mcphail> dobey: I never see them, and use hosts based blocking on my desktops and phones
[18:57] <mcphail> dobey: if you have concerns, you can run a server on localhost which will serve a 0px image
[18:57] <dobey> you are ignoring all the points
[18:57] <mcphail> but I've never found the need
[18:57] <mcphail> dobey: I'm not ignoring them. I just don't agree with them
[18:59] <mcphail> Anyway, I'm beginning to sound like the APK troll from slashdot
[19:14] <pmcgowan> sil2100, any progress on the work to report the ota version
[19:49] <dobey> anyone else seen anything like https://plus.google.com/103117938079967018309/posts/5tb2Z155TLM before?
[19:50] <pmcgowan> thats not right indeed
[19:50] <pmcgowan> its got the wrong lcd size or something
[19:51] <dobey> it's weird. when the screen goes off, it won't come back on for a bit, and then after getting the power off popup to show up, and cancelling, the screen is displayed right
[19:51] <dobey> and taking a screenshot of it doesn't work. the screenshot looks correct :-/
[19:52] <Guest42341> happened to me all the time
[19:52] <dobey> Guest42341: what device?
[19:52] <Guest42341> with my old crt tv, you just have to kick it a little
[19:52] <Guest42341> old tv
[19:52] <dobey> sigh
[19:53] <pmcgowan> dobey, ask a mir guy
[19:54] <pmcgowan> screenshot is using the buffer which apparently isnt correct for the screen
[19:59] <dobey> kenvandine: is ther a log file for content-hub stuff?
[20:11] <kenvandine> dobey, nope
[20:11] <kenvandine> you can run the service with debug logging though
[20:11] <kenvandine> CONTENT_HUB_LOGGING_LEVEL=2 content-hub-service
[20:11] <kenvandine> dobey, it'll spew an overwhelming amount of debug info
[20:14] <dobey> hmm, ok
[20:21] <kenvandine> dobey, if you want debug output from the client side you can enable more client logging
[20:21] <kenvandine> initctl set-env --global CONTENT_HUB_LOGGING_LEVEL=2
[20:21] <kenvandine> dobey, then some debug info will end up in the app upstart logs
[20:24] <dobey> kenvandine: i'm not sure what i want. but whenever i try to attach a picture to an sms for example, it jsut doesn't work. the picker comes up, and i can take a picture in the camera (which doesn't get saved anywhere), but the picture doesn't get attached to the message
[21:05] <dobey> anyone know anything about the whoopsie preferences dbus service?
[21:12] <nhaines> dobey: I don't run Ubuntu on hammerhead at the moment.  I'm waiting for MultiROM Manager to catch up with Android 6.0, but... I'm a little worried about that.  :/
[21:14] <dobey> nhaines: ah. i was using android for a while, but the 6.0 totally broke privacy, so i've now killed it and back to ubuntu only on it
[21:16] <nhaines> dobey: did it?
[21:17] <dobey> nhaines: yeah, there used to be a thing one could tweak to disable it always syncing contacts to google, but they did away with it and just magically synced all the previous contacts without asking
[21:18] <dobey> so all my local only contacts were suddenly in google, and g+ started recommending me to connect with a bunch of people whom were only previously in my phone contacts db
[21:18] <fuzzy7k> does it do that if you do not install gsf/gapps?
[21:20] <nhaines> dobey: oh, that doesn't affect me.
[21:20] <dobey> how do you install android without installing google contacts app?
[21:20] <fuzzy7k> I have been using my phone sans gsf, and really liking the battery life that I get.
[21:20] <dobey> i have no idea what gsf is
[21:21] <fuzzy7k> google services frameworks
[21:21] <dobey> yeah, you could disable the contacts sync previously. you can't do so any more
[21:22] <dobey> on android 6 anyway
[21:23] <dobey> anyway
[21:24] <dobey> now i'm having an issue with whoopsie not letting me get the device identifier over dbus for some reason
[21:58] <matv1> bfiller ping ?
[22:39] <eks> Hi everyone, I'm traying to use hdmi to connect my ubuntu touch on my tv, can someone help me?
[22:42] <ahoneybun> what phone eks?
[22:42] <eks> Thanks, it is a bq
[22:42] <ahoneybun> I don't think it has a way to do it
[22:43] <ahoneybun> the Nexus 4 has slimport so you can get a cable to do it
[22:43] <nhaines> Its impossible.
[22:43] <eks> mm.. I got the cable
[22:43] <nhaines> eks: theres nothing in the phone to connect the cable to.
[22:44] <eks> it is sad, I would love to use my Ubuntu touch to watch films
[22:46] <eks> I have the data transfer cable to hdmi
[22:46] <nhaines> There's no such thing.
[22:46] <eks> I connect it but there is not comunication
[22:47] <nhaines> The phone has to use Slimport or MHL to convert video through the USB port.
[22:47] <nhaines> The BQ doesnt have the hardware to do that.
[22:47] <eks> I need to change the phone =( any suggestion??
[22:48] <nhaines> Yes.  Wait for a phone to be sold that has this capability.
[22:48] <eks> =) OK, thank you!
[22:48] <nhaines> Ubuntu can't do it yet, so no phones are being sold with the feature.  When Ubuntu is ready to do that, new phones will begin to appear with that.
[22:49] <nhaines> BQ is working on an Ubuntu-first phone for early 2016 that will be sold as a convergent device, so thats probably your best bet so far.  :)
[22:50] <eks> I'm happy whit it but I can not wait to do all I want with a phone
[22:51] <eks> thank you everyone, is good to use irc after nearly 10 years =)
[22:52] <popey> :)
[22:52] <nhaines> IRC is kinda nice.  :)
[22:59] <mcphail> Woohoo. OTA7 at last. Cheers guys - keep up the hard work! :)
[23:34] <mcphail>  /away sleep