[00:09] <brianc_> test
[00:16] <bazhang> !test | brianc_
[00:17] <brianc_> thanks
[13:13] <fsociety[00]dat> hi #xubuntu :)
[13:13] <knome> hello.
[13:13] <fsociety[00]dat> I am a Xubuntu GNU/Linux 14.04.3 user.
[13:14] <fsociety[00]dat> Is it possible to upgrade system without systemd?
[13:15] <knome> ultimately, you will inevidently end up using systemd anyway with (x)ubuntu
[13:17] <fsociety[00]dat> ok, thanks knome
[19:44] <xubuntu58w> any reason? because when I installed it I have the folder "/" with 15GB, "/home" with 20GB
[19:45] <xubuntu58w> I dont have any free space when I update Xubuntu with the software updater..
[19:46] <xubuntu58w> any reason? because when I installed it I have the folder "/" with 15GB, "/home" with 20GB
[19:46] <xubuntu58w> and I didnt download a lot of softwares since I installed xubuntu
[19:46] <knome> xubuntu58w, what does "df -h" without quotes in terminal say?
[19:47] <knome> xubuntu58w, and please use pastebin
[19:47] <knome> !pastebin | xubuntu58w
[19:47] <flocculant> xubuntu58w: encrypted in some way?
[19:49] <knome> xubuntu58w, or alternatively, "df -h | pastebinit" (without the quotes) - and of course paste the paste url to us
[19:49] <xubuntu58w> no encryption.. I'm a beginner in linux..
[19:50] <flocculant> then df -h|pastebinit
[19:52] <xubuntu58w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12865705/
[19:52] <xubuntu58w> sorry for the delay
[19:53] <knome> xubuntu58w, doesn't look like you have a separate /home
[19:53] <flocculant> ok - so you have used 94% of your install drive
[19:54] <xubuntu58w> knome... I have... believe me...
[19:54] <flocculant> xubuntu58w: you think you have - the data says otherwise :)
[19:54] <xubuntu58w> flocculant.. you mean 94% of my entire hard drive or 94% of xubuntu install??
[19:55] <flocculant> 94% of the install
[19:55] <flocculant> first line of that paste
[19:55] <xubuntu58w> becase I have 2 partitions on my hard drive.. 1 for windows and the other for linux
[19:55] <xubuntu58w> flocculant... ok
[19:55] <flocculant> I'd guess data in /home somewhere - media files perhaps
[19:56] <xubuntu58w> i didnt believe xubuntu takes so much space...
[19:56] <knome> xubuntu58w, it doesn't, the partition also has your personal files
[19:56] <knome> xubuntu58w, since you don't have a line that says a filesystem is mounted at /home, you are not using a separate /home partition
[19:57] <knome> xubuntu58w, that means the files in /home are stored in the partition that is mounted at /
[19:57] <xubuntu58w> ok
[19:57] <knome> xubuntu58w, which is the first line of the output (after the column headers)
[19:58] <xubuntu58w> so.... do you know any books or internet site to do a clean install with a / and /home folder?
[19:58] <xubuntu58w> which explains how to do it?
[19:58] <knome> xubuntu58w, http://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation
[19:59] <xubuntu58w> so.. what is your advice? I delete everything and install again? or....  ?
[19:59] <flocculant> xubuntu58w: if you've only got 20Gb to play with then I'd probably not bother
[19:59] <xubuntu58w> i have more... but I installed ubuntu alongside to try it..
[20:00] <flocculant> aah ok - was just mentioning that :)
[20:01] <xubuntu58w> knome... that's exactly the doc. I used to install xubuntu...
[20:01] <xubuntu58w> except for /boot /tmp and /var I didnt do..
[20:02] <knome> xubuntu58w, please run "cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit"
[20:02] <xubuntu58w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12865894/
[20:03] <knome> xubuntu58w, everything really looks like you haven't created a /home partition
[20:04] <xubuntu58w> I did.. but... if you say so...  you must be right
[20:04] <xubuntu58w> I will delete everything and will do a clean install the next time..
[20:04] <flocculant> xubuntu58w: perhaps you did in this ubuntu install?
[20:04] <xubuntu58w> and maybe it will work this time..
[20:04] <xubuntu58w> I used gparted first to create the partitions...
[20:05] <knome> xubuntu58w, you must remember to mount them at installation time
[20:05] <xubuntu58w> what I didnt do...
[20:06] <flocculant> oh
[20:06] <xubuntu58w> i think
[20:06] <flocculant> so you've an empty partition somewhere?
[20:07] <xubuntu58w> flocculant.. you know what?  i think it is better if I start again
[20:07] <xubuntu58w> with a clean install
[20:07] <flocculant> :)
[20:07] <xubuntu58w> and if I need help i know where to ask...
[20:07] <xubuntu58w> :)
[20:07] <knome> good luck
[20:07] <xubuntu58w> thanks a lot for your time guys...
[20:07] <flocculant> welcome
[21:23] <Xubuntuer> Hello!?
[21:23] <Xubuntuer> I just want to ask something very quickly.
[21:23] <Xubuntuer> I have a problem with the "software sources" app or that.
[21:23] <Xubuntuer> I can't find it anymore
[21:24] <function9x> Software & Updates???
[21:25] <Xubuntuer> I can't access it from software and Updates
[21:25] <Xubuntuer> It's greyed
[21:25] <Xubuntuer> And it isn't on the main menu either
[21:26] <function9x> which xubuntu version are you using?
[21:26] <Xubuntuer> I was about to say it
[21:27] <Xubuntuer> But I don't know where to look at it
[21:27] <Xubuntuer> It's my mother's PC
[21:27] <Xubuntuer> And she installed it, but I wanted to check out something with the repositories that where kinda crazy, and I can't find that app
[21:28] <function9x> cat /etc/lsb-release
[21:28] <knome> Xubuntuer, "lsb_release -a" in a terminal
[21:28] <Xubuntuer> ah, fine, 15.04
[21:28] <Xubuntuer> haha lol
[21:28] <Xubuntuer> she installed the "Not for average user" one
[21:29] <Xubuntuer> I hope that you guys understand that this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SoftwareSources-UbuntuSoftware.png
[21:29] <Xubuntuer> Is what i can't find
[21:29] <knome> it's fine, as long as you update every 6 months
[21:29] <Xubuntuer> Ah ok, for sure
[21:29] <knome> tbe, upgrade; you should update more often..
[21:29] <knome> Xubuntuer, settings manager -> software & updates
[21:30] <function9x> brb
[21:30] <Xubuntuer> Let me see if i can make an screen capture
[21:30] <Xubuntuer> If I find out how :P
[21:30] <Xubuntuer> Impr Pant works just like windorss?
[21:30] <knome> Xubuntuer, try pressing print screen
[21:31] <Xubuntuer> Aaah, amazing feature :P
[21:31] <Xubuntuer> 1 sec, uploading
[21:31] <user2eee> good day all,any suggestions on how to remove a write protected file from apport? file is deleted and only has read rights,none of attempted commands found on search working,thanks
[21:31] <Xubuntuer> Please note that the computer is in spanish, but you'll see that I don't have that app
[21:32] <Xubuntuer> Here:
[21:32] <Xubuntuer> http://imgur.com/Lh9Dz0K
[21:32] <Xubuntuer> As you can see, I have software updates
[21:32] <Xubuntuer> And... other stuff, but none of software & updates
[21:33] <Xubuntuer> Isn't there any magic command like "Software-and-updates" but for "Software origins"? @knome
[21:34] <knome> Xubuntuer, what happens if you try to run "software-properties-gtk" in the terminal?
[21:34] <Xubuntuer> Let me see
[21:34] <Xubuntuer> Isn't installed, that's odd, and at the same time, that's all i needed I think
[21:34] <knome> user2eee, i don't understand the question; what does "remove ... from apport" mean? what does apport have to do with deleting files?
[21:34] <Xubuntuer> haha
[21:35] <knome> well, it should be installed, but if it isn't, install it
[21:35] <Xubuntuer> Ok!
[21:35] <Xubuntuer> I wonder why it isn't :/
[21:35] <knome> hope that fixes your issue
[21:35] <Xubuntuer> Yeah, pretty much sure it will
[21:35] <Xubuntuer> I didn't know the name of the "program" itself
[21:35] <knome> impossible to know, but if everything is working... you know the saying: "don't fix it if it isn't broken"
[21:36] <Xubuntuer> Hahaha
[21:36] <Xubuntuer> totally
[21:36] <Xubuntuer> let see, the moment of truth
[21:36] <Xubuntuer> YAY!
[21:36] <Xubuntuer> http://i.imgur.com/N1KiU7w.png
[21:37] <Xubuntuer> Thanks knome
[21:37] <knome> np, have fun
[21:37] <Xubuntuer> You're awesome haha, thanks again :D
[21:37] <Xubuntuer> Bye guys
[21:37] <user2eee> knome it possibly has nothing to do with it, will rephrase the question,i have cleaned the boot folder,1 of the files is showing when i do rm /var/crash/* , i am trying to find a way to delete it, when i choose Y ,i see operation can not be performed
[21:38] <user2eee> user@user:~$ rm /var/crash/*
[21:38] <user2eee> rm: remove write-protected regular file ‘/var/crash/linux-image-3.13.0-66-generic.0.crash’? Y
[21:38] <user2eee> rm: cannot remove ‘/var/crash/linux-image-3.13.0-66-generic.0.crash’: Operation not permitted
[21:38] <user2eee> user@user:~$
[21:38] <knome> user2eee, you can't remove the file because you don't use sudo
[21:39] <user2eee> what command do i need to become sudo
[21:39] <knome> !rootsudo | user2eee
[21:39] <knome> user2eee, if your user is in the sudoers file (it is if you are the only user), you can run "sudo command here"
[21:40] <knome> user2eee, fwiw, i don't know why you need to remove those files though.
[21:40] <user2eee> just to keep my machine clean i guess? no specific reason,will read the ubottu links
[21:41] <knome> user2eee, if you don't know why you are doing something, even if you think it's "keeping your system clean", you might just mess up things more, so don't do things you don't understand - especially if it involves running commands with sudo?
[21:41] <knome> -?
[21:42] <user2eee> i understand knome,just learning as i go but ok,will just let this one be there i guess
[21:44] <user2eee> thanks knome and ubottu,i did do sudo -i and was able to remove it. thanks,have a nice day
[22:10] <esph> My sister has frequent problems on her laptop after updates with 14.04 (she uses the "Software Updater" GUI to update).
[22:12] <esph> For instance, after the most recent update, the main menu icon is broken, the nm-applet can't be opened by clicking, and the minimize, maximize, and close icons are invisible on every window (and there are probably other things wrong that haven't been noticed)
[22:13] <esph> I tried update and upgrade with apt-get to see if that would fix anything, but it says that everything is up-to-date.
[22:15] <esph> Obviously some things are broken on the system, but how can I get the system to recognize that, or manually find and fix the things that are wrong?
[22:19] <mrkramps> esph, have you tested xfce with another/new user?
[22:19] <brianc_> if it's only visual things such as buttons, menus and apples it sounds like a xfce issue
[22:26] <function9x> esph: probably best to report the bugs, so that the developers can mark what is broken and needs to be fixed
[22:26] <knome> esph, have you ran "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" too?
[22:27] <knome> esph, also, did you try a new user as suggested by mrkramps?
[22:40] <esph> knome: I'll try a new user when I get a chance (sister is typing up stuff for school right now so I don't want to make her log out)
[22:41] <esph> knome: the only thing apt-get upgrade was holding back are kernel-related packages, so I don't think that would fix it. Does dist-upgrade do some other magic I don't know about?
[22:42] <knome> esph, in the case there was a reason for a partial upgrade, it could do that; and it updates the kernels too
[22:45] <esph> knome: "in the case there was a reason for a partial upgrade, it could do that" I don't know what you mean here or exactly what you're referring to, particularly "it could do that"? Sorry, could you elaborate?
[22:45] <esph> s/?/.
[22:46] <knome> sometimes there are problems with packages (namely, conflicts in versions) that can't be resolved with a regular update; in that case, a "partial upgrade" must be done
[22:46] <knome> so if that would be the case, it could mess up something in the GUI too, and doing the partial upgrade could resolve that
[22:48] <esph> knome: and apt-get upgrade wouldn't warn me about that (for future reference)? Also, does the "update" button in the Software Updater correspond to upgrade, dist-upgrade, or neither?
[22:49] <knome> esph, apt-get always tells what it is about to do and asks for your confirmation
[22:49] <knome> esph, iirc, the software updater only does the "update" action, but it's time since i've last used it myself
[22:50] <knome> sorry, upgrade