[05:49] <sitter> review please http://paste.ubuntu.com/12874652/
[05:49] <sitter> Riddell: ^
[05:51] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: current package for KDevelop does not depend on frameworks
[06:54] <sitter> Riddell: pingpingping :(
[06:55] <sitter> Riddell: I do wonder if we should make the upgrader remove kmix btw. or mark it obsolete
[07:00] <soee> sitter: with kmix installed users will have 2 audio icons in systray ?
[07:05] <sitter> no
[07:17] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:19] <soee> hiho lordievader
[07:19] <lordievader> Hey soee 
[07:32] <sitter> Riddell: uploaded upgrader to wily with uri fix I mentioned yesterday. also prepd sru for the two bugs in vivid and uploaded proposed for those
[07:32] <sitter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1507886
[07:32] <sitter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1507887
[08:24] <Riddell> hi sitter
[08:25] <Riddell> sitter: upgrade worked fine for me yesterday going from 15.04->15.10, the release notes showed fine
[08:25] <Riddell> what's the problem with it?
[08:25] <sitter> Riddell: with archive.ubuntu.com?
[08:26] <sitter> or your intermediate thingy
[08:26] <Riddell> sitter: with ubuntu-release-upgrader
[08:26] <sitter> yes but which server
[08:26] <Riddell> I've no idea
[08:27] <Riddell> not looked at that code in years :)
[08:27] <sitter> let's see with a vm
[08:27] <Riddell> what error did you get? it returned 403 and that caused what to happen?
[08:27] <sitter> the thing is... I did twiddle with the code and hardcoded an upgrade to vivid for simulation purposes and that still threw 403  errors
[08:28] <Riddell> I only used kubuntu-devel-releaes-upgrade rather than using it from muon but that wouldn't make a difference for release notes
[08:28] <sitter> it might
[08:29] <sitter> actually
[08:29] <sitter> the problem possibly is that since the KDE fetcher craps out on the self._warning it might use CLI fetcher instead
[08:29] <sitter> although then you wouldn't get release notes at all
[08:30] <sitter> Riddell: do you have a vivid install?
[08:31] <Riddell> sitter: nope, I did it by hand on bare metal, experience has taught me that's the most reliable way
[08:31] <Riddell> I can do another one
[08:32] <sitter> Riddell: might as well, so we have two testing results
[08:32] <sitter> dpkg -S releasechecker
[08:32] <sitter> find the line that goes MetaReleaseCore(False, False)
[08:32] <sitter> change the Falses to Trues, that enables it to report on dev version
[08:33] <sitter> then in do-release-upgrade find the devel release option
[08:33] <sitter>                      dest="devel_release", default=False,
[08:33] <sitter> change that to True as well
[08:33] <sitter> then the entire tool chain should include devel, so you should get a notification 3 minutes after login that a new kubuntu is available
[08:33] <sitter> muon-updater should have the button to launch the upgrader, and the upgrader should show release notes
[08:34] <Riddell> better to change /etc/hosts and point to a changelogs.ubuntu.com with an updated meta-release no? more close to the real thing
[08:35] <sitter> no, because I am getting 403. changing hosts would entirely bypass that issue
[08:36] <sitter> Riddell: just do a vivid reinstall for now
[08:36] <sitter> I'll define a better test case once I have a vivid vm to poke around in
[08:36] <Riddell> onto it
[08:52] <sitter> Riddell: edit both files as mentioned, then open muon-updater, use upgrade, enter password, stdout of updater will now show both the 403 and the exception from the _warning that doesnt exist
[08:55] <Riddell> Installed..
[09:01] <Riddell> Made both changes, no notification yet
[09:04] <sitter> Riddell: takes 3 minutes after login
[09:04] <sitter> Riddell: or you can just startk muon-updater manually, it will do the check all the same
[09:07] <Riddell> Ok got it now
[09:07] <Riddell> Click upgrade?
[09:28] <sitter> Riddell: should be good, see backlog in ubuntu-devel
[09:28] <sitter> I forgot that I actually got to the bottom of the 403 when I investigated a month ago and it turned out to be me being daft :S
[09:29] <sitter> stupid upgrader doesn't use framworks themeing >.<
[09:30] <Riddell> It could do with breezification
[09:31] <Riddell> But I've always Bern scared to integrate it too much with anything, the more integration the more things can breakdown upgrade
[09:31] <sitter> Riddell: thing is we can get cheap integration with qt5
[09:31] <sitter> needs to stop hardcoding icon paths and so forth
[09:32] <Riddell> I'll test i386 then with full install for giggles
[09:32] <sitter> brrr i386
[09:32] <sitter> oh and for style and colors we probably just need to make Qt load the frameworkintegration plugin
[09:32] <sitter> that way all should default to breeze
[09:37] <sitter> one env var worlds of difference http://imgur.com/H3GHyYR
[09:37] <sitter> why the icons are oxygen still is odd tho
[10:18] <mparillo> New Wily Release Candidate Images? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/347/builds
[10:19] <Riddell> Yep
[10:19] <Riddell> Testing needed :)
[10:20] <mparillo> !testers 
[11:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:07] <sick_rimmit> Good Morning BluesKaj
[11:08] <BluesKaj> Hi sick_rimmit , guess the freeze is on til thurs
[11:09] <soee> sick_rimmit: do you plan any hangout after 15.10 release ? :)
[11:44] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: happy b-day
[12:13] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: thanks :D
[12:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: happy birthday! Don't get too drunk :P
[12:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: thanks :D
[12:18] <shadeslayer> nah, not going out tonight
[12:18] <shadeslayer> work day tomorrow :P
[12:18] <shadeslayer> I have to be responsible
[12:18] <yofel> XD
[12:18] <shadeslayer> it sucks
[12:18] <shadeslayer> I know
[12:19] <Riddell> Hmm it really is astonishingly slow to upgrade on a magnetic hard disk
[12:20] <tsimonq2> o.0
[12:20] <yofel> you probably want to use eatmydata if you're only testing stuff
[12:20] <yofel> otherwise, yeah, it's slow
[12:26]  * BluesKaj is looking for an ssd "deal"
[12:28] <BluesKaj> gonna speed up my old desktop
[12:34] <tsimonq2> nice
[13:25] <sick_rimmit> Hi Soee BluesKaj
[13:25] <sick_rimmit> Sorry I was away there for a bit
[13:25] <sick_rimmit> Yes, we're doing a Kubuntu Podcast at UOS :-)
[14:07] <Riddell> Meh today's image ubiquity crashes if I connect to network from live system
[14:07] <Riddell> mparillo: you seen that?
[14:09] <marco-parillo> Riddell: No. I connected to the network from a live system, updated iso.qa.ubuntu.com, then successfully ran the installer from the live image (the one in the home folder).
[14:10] <marco-parillo> What I can never do is start the live image, select the install (instead of try) and then pick my WEP network. I recall it was a wont fix.
[14:17] <Riddell> Most weird
[14:20] <marco-parillo> Which approach were you taking? Try, attach to the network, then ubiquity or Install and pick the network as one of the Ubiquity steps (which is skipped if you do the try, attach network, then ubiquity)
[14:24] <sgclark> Happy birthday shadeslayer!
[14:24] <Riddell> Same issue on ubuntu unity
[14:25] <Riddell> And who's idea was it to have a wall of text on first boot if ubuntu?
[14:26] <soee> !package plasma-pa
[14:26] <soee> ! plasma-pa
[14:26] <soee> !plasma-pa
[14:30] <soee> Riddell: what chnaged in plasma-pa (there was an update) ?
[14:31] <Riddell> soee: not enough
[14:31] <Riddell> It's to remove kmix autostart
[14:31] <Riddell> Bug 10508075
[14:31] <shadeslayer> sgclark: thanks alot :)
[14:31] <soee> ah ok
[14:31] <soee> oh interesting: http://news.softpedia.com/news/uk-government-is-kicking-out-microsoft-office-and-adopts-libreoffice-494919.shtml
[14:31] <Riddell> Bug 1508075
[14:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: look what I got https://instagram.com/p/9EArhdj24R/ :D
[14:32] <shadeslayer> sitter: ^^
[14:32] <yofel> you be crazy
[14:32] <yofel> *wannahave* :D
[14:32] <shadeslayer> xD
[14:32] <shadeslayer> It's a clock
[14:32] <shadeslayer> and has a projector for a clock
[14:33] <shadeslayer> apparently the TARDIS operates on 4 AAA batteries
[14:33] <shadeslayer> who knew
[14:36] <sgclark> lol
[14:37] <shadeslayer> or well
[14:37] <shadeslayer> the eye of harmony apparently generates the same amount of energy as 4 AAA batteries
[14:40] <shadeslayer> sitter: Does DCI have access to all of Mobile KCI's slaves?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> because I don't think it does
[14:52] <marco-parillo> Logging off to see if today's iso gives me the black screen on VMware.
[15:08] <shadeslayer> sitter: nvm
[15:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: careful what you do with it, you can make ripples with that.  you might give ariya stark sunglasses and immortality
[15:17] <shadeslayer> xD
[15:29] <yofel> okaaaay.. kmail just decided to vanish for the second time today. No crash notification, no error in dmesg, but it has to have crashed in some way as the configuration changes weren't written
[15:29] <yofel> anyone an idea how to debug that?
[15:30] <sitter> yofel: automatic crash handling is defunct right now
[15:31] <yofel> meh
[15:31] <sitter> unless an app explicitly access kcrash it won't install its crash handler because of ld being smartsies
[15:33] <yofel> right, and now even sitter crashed XD
[15:35] <clivejo> Riddell: you about?
[15:36] <Riddell> hi clivejo
[15:36] <clivejo> hi
[15:36] <clivejo> I need help
[15:36] <Riddell> is this about the continued existance of the IRA?
[15:37] <Riddell> cos that might be beyond me
[15:38] <clivejo> calligra and packaging, how to move to from LP to alioth
[15:38] <clivejo> LOL everyone know they still exist
[15:39] <Riddell> clivejo: I guess you just clone this http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-std/calligra.git/
[15:39] <Riddell> create a kubuntu_unstable branch
[15:40] <Riddell> and copy the launchpad stuff in
[15:40] <clivejo> I created kubuntu_wily_archive
[15:40] <clivejo> but how do I get your packaging into it?
[15:41] <Riddell> I wouldn't put it in kubuntu_wily_archive, we're not uploading to wily any more it's frozen
[15:42] <Riddell> if it's for 2.9.8 make a kubuntu_stable
[15:42] <Riddell> if it's for master then make a kubuntu_unstable
[15:42] <Riddell> and just rm -r debian/; cp -r ~/mylaunchpadcheckout/calligra/debian .
[15:42] <Riddell> it won't preserve the history
[15:42] <Riddell> but to do that would be very faffy
[15:42] <Riddell> just put a comment in the commit where it came from
[15:50] <marco-parillo> Yay! I did not get the black screen on installing today's ISO to a VMware VM.
[15:51] <Riddell> that's good :)
[15:52] <Riddell> but doesn't test my wifi setup bug :(
[15:52] <clivejo> Im confused
[15:53] <clivejo> should kubuntu_wily_archive be removed then?
[15:53] <clivejo> it was never used
[15:58] <Riddell> clivejo: yes probably
[15:58] <clivejo> how does that happen?
[15:58] <Riddell> removing git branches is one of those weird git commands that makes no sense
[15:59] <Riddell> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2003505/delete-a-git-branch-both-locally-and-remotely
[15:59] <Riddell> git push origin --delete <branchName>
[15:59] <Riddell> actually that does make some sense
[15:59] <clivejo> I really dont trust myself to do that!
[15:59] <Riddell> git push origin :<branchName> is the other way to do it, which only makes sense if you are a git hacker
[16:03] <clivejo> Riddell: have you packaged 2.9.8 ?
[16:03] <Riddell> clivejo: nope
[16:04] <marco-parillo> Riddell: In a VM, the hardware WiFi on the host appears as wired on the guest. But as I said, early this morning I tested a live image on my WiFi, and then picked the install option from the live desktop, and it worked just fine. WiFi never worked for me on the ubiquity wifi step because I have WEP (but for some reason I cannot find the bug I raised)
[16:04] <Riddell> marco-parillo: so maybe it's just me, other testers seem fine too
[16:05] <Riddell> ho hum
[16:05]  * Riddell out
[16:05] <clivejo> Riddell: so clone the wily_ archive branch locally?
[16:05] <marco-parillo> If we get another Release Candidate, I should be able to test again.
[16:06] <Riddell> clivejo: clone calligra, checkout master, git checkout -b kubuntu_stable  ready for the 2.9.8 work
[16:06] <clivejo> but that clones the debian branch?
[16:07] <clivejo> same as what is in kubuntu_wily_archive
[16:26] <clivejo> Riddell yofel : anyone still about?
[17:16] <yofel> clivejo: now yes
[17:28] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-106-gc2e7734 * Aleix Pol: discover (5 files in 2 dirs)
[17:28] <pursuivant> Refactor CategoryDisplay
[17:28] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/c2e77340b6a9777203d1cc806568103479cde2f3
[17:28] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-107-g58d25b7 * Aleix Pol: discover/qml (2 files)
[17:28] <pursuivant> Make it possible to show the CategoryDisplay for compact form factors
[17:28] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/58d25b7353a7d6b172458fc2eb7f45864dfd86d0
[17:28] <pursuivant> muon (redesign) v5.4.1-108-gc92c09a * Aleix Pol: libmuon/Category (2 files)
[17:28] <pursuivant> Notify that the displayed category changed in the CategoryModel
[17:28] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/c92c09af95ecbd040ea5d0b4dbbe0e5a943aecc0
[17:53] <BluesKaj> yofel, will the final 15.10 have only plsama5 or will there still be some plasma 4 transitional libs etc?
[17:53] <yofel> there should still be a couple left
[17:53] <BluesKaj> ok thanks
[17:53] <yofel> not from plasma though, only for some applications
[17:58] <marco-parillo> And those apps need kwallet4, which triggers the empty migration bug? 
[17:58] <marco-parillo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kwallet-kf5/+bug/1434052
[18:26] <sgclark> umm kontact vanished. I reinstalled it and now when I try to run it plasma crashes... 
[20:09] <clivejo> yofel: so I created a new branch on debian.org/cgit for calligra called kubuntu_stable and copied it from LP over to the branch, do I need to create a new branch kubuntu_unstable as well?
[20:10] <yofel> I don't think you need it now
[20:11] <clivejo> so just use this branch to fix the packaging for 2.9.8?
[20:12] <yofel> yes
[20:33] <soee> lets make sddm login screen simple laike here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmL6TAd54LU
[20:42] <yofel> that's a) not very plasma like b) we don't yet force people to use an SSO service for their desktop login
[20:42] <yofel> and I think sddm is already rather simple...
[20:42] <yofel> (which *is* good)
[20:42] <genii> Grrr sddm
[21:14] <Riddell> clivejo: get sorted?
[21:14] <clivejo> Riddell: not sure
[21:19] <clivejo> Riddell: what is wrong with this? https://paste.kde.org/pdti4qqfs
[21:20] <clivejo> why is it suddenly looking for calligra_2.9.7.orig.tar.gz
[21:20] <Riddell> goodness knows, gbp is weirdness
[21:20] <Riddell> try a rm -r ../build-area
[21:21] <clivejo> FFS downloading the tarball again
[21:21] <clivejo> my ISP has capped me and it slow as treacle
[21:25] <clivejo> arrr I give up
[21:31] <mparillo> The big SDDM regression from LightDM is the loss of the easy guest account.
[21:31] <mparillo> And it looks as if Wily Release Candidate images are re-building: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/347/builds
[21:34] <Riddell> clivejo: you can work from the weegie machine if you need more bandwidth
[21:35] <Riddell> mparillo: all part of the fun of testing I'm afraid
[21:36] <mparillo> Well, today's was a big upgrade over yesterday for me (no black screen in a VM with 3D acceleration). And it gives me a chance to double-check WiFi in a live USB session.
[21:36] <tsimonq2>  /win 5
[21:41] <Riddell>  /win 3.11
[21:41] <Riddell> (ho ho ho)
[21:41] <Riddell> mparillo: you win today, I lose I guess :)