[00:57] <Antix_> hello
[00:58] <Antix_> anyony who knows how can i add an update notifier on  my sytem tray?
[00:59] <Antix_> i have lxde desktop installed
[01:00] <Antix_> Any help?
[01:03] <berpherp> I need help concerning adding non-kubuntu repositories to kubuntu or any linux if the steps for kubuntu apply to other linux distros as well
[01:49] <Strav> he. Anyone else not having kmail's icon displayed in systray on kubuntu 15.10? (already asked twice on #ubuntu+1, no answer)
[02:15] <abrahams> Strav: did you turn the systray icon on within kmail preferences?
[02:23] <Strav> abrahams: sure
[02:24] <Strav> abrahams: actually, there is a space for the icon and if I hover that space, there is a label saying kmail2 but clicking on it does not yield the usual kmail systray menu. Also, I do have an icon for korganizer but clicking on it fails to open the korganizer window (as it did before)
[02:26] <abrahams> Strav: Alright, that is a different problem than what I thought, which was only that it wasn't registering in the systray at all.
[02:27] <Strav> abrahams: so you do have the kmail systray icon displayed on kubuntu 15.10?
[02:27] <abrahams> Strav: Yep, unread count and everything
[02:28] <abrahams> Restart, resize / remove / replace panel?
[02:28] <Strav> abrahams: strange, yet it points to a config problem on my part. Actually, I tried to get the icon to show under a guest session but still no lick.
[02:29] <Strav> abrahams: also did some of that (resized and removed the systray applet)
[02:29] <Strav> abrahams: I'll try with another panel though...
[02:30] <Strav> gnia. same issue with another panel
[04:11] <toothe> howdy all. I am reinstalling kubuntu but I noticed that my drive came back as encrypted
[04:11] <toothe> twice.
[04:11] <toothe> I specify did not set the encryption option, its still doing that.
[04:19] <chemanev> hello
[04:20] <toothe> also, ithink ubuntu or debian (or both) broken a driver.
[04:20] <toothe> because it works on Mint.
[04:20] <toothe> But not on Ubuntu or Debian.
[04:20] <toothe> might be a firmware thing?
[04:20] <chemanev> does someone knows the problems between ubuntu and kde
[04:20] <chemanev> whats the future for kubuntu?
[04:21] <toothe> problems?
[04:22] <chemanev> i read about kubuntu its not going to be a official flavor
[04:23] <Unit193> It is, has been, and will continue to be an official flavor.
[04:24] <chemanev> perfect
[04:31] <chemanev> what were going to be the new stuff on kubuntu 15.10?
[04:32] <chemanev> excuse my english
[07:06] <OOPManZA> Hey guys, quick question. When using uvtool to download a cloud image, how do I tell it to use the ubuntu server release?
[07:06] <OOPManZA> Or does it do so automatically?
[07:07] <soee> hi OOPManZA, i do not know what uvtool is, but isn't this question more related to #ubuntu channel ? :)
[07:08] <OOPManZA> soee: Yeah, possibly :-)
[07:09] <soee> :D
[07:17] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:18] <aotea> Morning
[07:18] <lordievader> o/
[08:06] <MasNovel> test...
[08:07] <MasNovel> welcome...welcome.... my friends...
[08:07] <soee> hiho MasNovel
[08:07] <MasNovel> hi too... :)
[08:08] <MasNovel> im from Indonesia.,..... n how about u?
[08:08] <soee> oh i'm from Poland :)
[08:09] <MasNovel> o ic... how nice it is.....
[08:12] <lordievader> o/
[08:13] <s_20> they certainly seem to like periods in indonesia
[08:13] <soee> this is like telegram :-)
[08:14] <MasNovel> what kind periods...? s-20
[08:14] <s_20> these: "......"
[08:14] <MasNovel> :))
[08:14] <MasNovel> =))
[08:16] <MasNovel> nice to meet you all
[08:16] <MasNovel> nice to meet you all
[08:17] <s_20> nice indeed
[08:24] <MasNovel> just indeed????
[08:27]  * lordievader points to #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:34] <yossarianuk> t minus 2 days !
[11:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:23] <amichair_> is 3840x2160 resolution supposed to work on Kubuntu 15.04 (Intel HD Graphics 4600)?
[11:25] <BluesKaj> amichair_, that's quite high check the 4600 screen res capabilities on intel's site
[11:26] <amichair_> BluesKaj: according to Intel it should work just fine (@60Hz via DP)
[11:30] <BluesKaj> amichair, which driver?  glxinfo | grep OpenGL
[11:32] <amichair> BluesKaj: which line am I looking for?
[11:33] <BluesKaj> OpenGL core profile version string:
[11:33] <amichair> OpenGL core profile version string: 3.3 (Core Profile) Mesa 10.5.9
[11:35] <amichair> BluesKaj: what does that tell us?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> look in driver manager for the recommended driver , you're using the default open source driver. not the intel
[11:41] <amichair> BluesKaj: driver manager isn't showing any options
[11:41] <BluesKaj> amichair, , sorry I'm wrong , it seems my laptop uses the same driver for the 4000
[11:44] <amichair> BluesKaj: what next?
[11:47] <BluesKaj> ami ok , run this to see if the driver shows up , lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use'
[11:47] <amichair> BluesKaj: Kernel driver in use: i915
[11:49] <BluesKaj> same as mine and on my laptop the highest res  available is 1366x768 ...what kind of screen do you have?
[11:51] <amichair> BluesKaj: 4k. kscreen shows resolutions up to that, but if I select it the screen goes blank. The one before it (2560x1440) works ok.
[11:51] <hateball> perhaps you need a newer mesa than the one in 15.04
[11:52] <amichair> does that mean I need to upgrade the kernel?
[11:52] <BluesKaj> amichair, which opengl settings are you using?
[11:53] <amichair> BluesKaj: how do I find out?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> sytem settings>desktop effects
[11:54] <BluesKaj> system rather
[11:54] <amichair> I don't see that
[11:55] <hateball> hmmm, seems 4k should be supported from mesa 10.5
[11:55] <hateball> If you're not afraid of breaking things you can always try https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[11:55] <amichair> I suppose knowing that it *should* work is a step forward :-)
[11:55] <hateball> Tho it *should* work
[11:56] <amichair> BluesKaj: do you mean Display and Monitor -> Compositor?
[11:57] <BluesKaj> amichair, sorry I'm still not used to the system settings changes in 15.04 ...yes you have it
[11:57] <BluesKaj> rfendering backend
[11:58] <amichair> so it's Accurate/OpenGL 2.0/GLX/Full screen repaints/Only for Shown Windows (and two unchecked options)
[11:58] <amichair> should I try openGL 3.1?
[11:58] <BluesKaj> am use OpenFGL 3.1
[11:59] <BluesKaj> OpenGL 3.1 that is
[11:59]  * BluesKaj opens the blinds for more light
[12:00] <yossarianuk> why no opengl4 renderer ?
[12:00] <amichair> BluesKaj: selected 3.1, nothing seems to have changed
[12:00] <yossarianuk> (I guess mesa has only recently supported it..)
[12:15] <amichair> I'll try rebooting
[12:20] <amichair> nope
[12:22] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, from what I can find on the forums intel 4000 series  gpus aren't supported by OpenGL 4 yet in Linux,  MS and Mac yes, but not Linux
[12:22] <hateball> that does not affect resolution however
[12:23] <BluesKaj> does OpenGL 3.1 support the 4K resolutions ?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> I don't have a 4K screen so I wouldn't see it available
[12:25] <hateball> it has nothing to do with resolutions, it's what fancy features can be used to draw windows
[12:27] <amichair> plasma crashes a lot when displays are connected/disconnected
[12:28] <hateball> well, you can always upgrade to 15.10 a few days early, see if that helps
[12:28] <hateball> it has newer mesa etc
[12:33] <BluesKaj> I'm on 15.10 already, but there's no new mesa available yet from looking in muon
[12:36] <yossarianuk> they could include it for nvidia/amd users....
[12:38] <amichair> any other ideas?
[12:38] <BluesKaj> I'm using nvidia, but it;s a basic 8400GS PCIe card/gpu
[12:40] <BluesKaj> amichair,  from what I can find on the forums intel 4000 series  gpus aren't supported by OpenGL 4 yet in Linux,  MS and Mac yes, but not Linux
[12:40] <amichair> BluesKaj: I think you got me mixed up with the other fella :-)
[12:41] <amichair> BluesKaj: I'm still trying to get 3840x2160 working. Don't care much about OpenGL.
[12:42] <hateball> amichair: what does xrandr say?
[12:42] <BluesKaj> amichair, nope, your 4k screen is not supported yet afaik
[12:43] <amichair> BluesKaj: where is the bottleneck? when will it work?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> when intel drivers are written for those screens in linux I guess
[12:44] <amichair> hateball: xrandr shows the proper supported resolutions. But when I pick the highest one (in system settings) the monitor goes blank. 2560x1440 works ok.
[12:44] <hateball> amichair: well what if you set them using xrandr?
[12:44] <amichair> hateball: dunno, never done that
[12:45] <amichair> hateball: how would I do that?
[12:45] <amichair> and revert if necessary?
[12:46] <hateball> amichair: xrandr --output $youroutput --mode 3840x2160
[12:47] <hateball> xrandr should list the available outputs, maybe it is called DP-0 or something
[12:47] <hateball> and you can try --mode auto
[12:50] <amichair> hateball: what do plus/asterisk mean near a display resolution?
[12:50] <hateball> amichair: your currently chosen
[12:51] <amichair> oh right. and recommended/native, probably.
[12:52] <amichair> hateball: display went blank on higher res with xrandr too
[12:53] <hateball> hmpf
[12:54] <hateball> amichair: you were on 15.10 already?
[12:55] <amichair> hateball: isn't it released this weekend?
[12:55] <amichair> on 15.04
[12:55] <hateball> it's coming in 2 days iirc
[12:55] <hateball> right, so it was
[12:56] <hateball> amichair: Well I would either upgrade to 15.10 (but BluesKaj said no newer mesa) or use this ppa https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[12:59] <amichair> hateball: I suppose I'll wait a few days for the release
[12:59] <amichair> hateball: is it the kernel/driver update I'm waiting for?
[13:01] <hateball> amichair: yes, the i915 mesa driver
[13:01] <amichair> hateball: it's not the same version?
[13:02] <hateball> amichair: I should think not. you can check on packages.ubuntu.com
[13:03] <hateball> I am on 14.04 on my intel machine, using nvidia otherwise... so havent checked
[13:03] <hateball> at any rate, the ppa should have the latest stuff
[13:05] <BluesKaj> unfortunately I don't see any GUI options for xrandr in 15.10, like there used to be in 14.04 and 14.10
[13:07] <hateball> well it should all be handled via kscreen now, assuming it behaves properly :p
[13:07] <amichair> hateball, BluesKaj: thanks. I'll try on 15.10. Hope it's a smooth upgrade and stable desktop.
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[13:08] <BluesKaj> ppa's just before the next release in 2 days is jumping the gun, think patience is in order here
[13:08] <amichair> BluesKaj: agreed.
[13:09] <amichair> I usually wait a few days more for critical upgrade bugs to be resolved, though not sure I'll be patient enough with my new monitor :-)
[13:11] <BluesKaj> amichair, altho upgrading to 15.10 right now will bring you very close to the official release in terms of software etc, dunjno if you'll see much difference in graphics options
[13:12] <amichair> BluesKaj: of course... it's mostly upgrade/critical bugs I'm worried about, and those are most likely to be fixed right around release date
[13:13] <amichair> (right before or right after)
[13:13] <BluesKaj> I'm restricted by my older hardware here so I may be wrong
[13:16] <wonkots> Say, could someone help me figure out what broke in my installation? I had a hard crash yesteday, and after reboot it won't let me log in again, only gives a black screen and then drops back to the login screen.
[13:17] <wonkots> I have moved .cache, .local, .kde, .config aside, to no avail, and also made a new user, which has the same issue. I tried removing the nvidia packages to use nouveau, and back to nvidia, still the same.
[13:18] <hateball> wonkots: what does "ls -l ~/.Xauthority" say?
[13:19] <wonkots> belongs to root, and is -rw-------
[13:20] <BluesKaj> wonkots, did you run any updates/upgrades?
[13:20] <wonkots> I have 15.10 backports (so I'm not complaining that things break... ;)
[13:21] <wonkots> But the machine had been running for a few weeks with those already.
[13:22] <hateball> wonkots: it should not belong to root, chown it to your user
[13:23] <hateball> Perhaps there has been liberal use of sudo/root in an unsupported manner
[13:24] <wonkots> I changed the permissions. Now the black screen I get after trying to log in is much longer, but it still drops me back to the login screen.
[13:24] <hateball> wonkots: what does "cat ~/.xsession-errors" say?
[13:25] <hateball> hopefully something useful
[13:26] <wonkots> So, it says a couple things, but they haven't changed after trying to log in with the .Xauthority permission changes. It should append new items to it, right?
[13:26] <hateball> yea
[13:26] <hateball> Did you restart sddm after chowning xauthority ?
[13:27] <hateball> Not sure it's required, but it cant hurt
[13:27] <wonkots> I did not. Brb.
[13:28] <wonkots> Whelp, a progess bar... and a desktop... and a start menu... and a cursor...
[13:28] <wonkots> Thank you so much!
[13:29] <wonkots> I had so much trouble with plasma and other things breaking on our machines running kubuntu recently. I suspect its because they all run on nvidia?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> wonkots, I have nvidia, but all is fine hewre on 15.10, gotta keep up with the updates/upgrades tho
[13:33] <yossarianuk> wonkots: highly suggest you add the ubuntu nvidia ppa to have latest stable version (rather than the one in main repo)
[13:34] <yossarianuk> wonkots: http://www.webupd8.org/2015/08/new-official-proprietary-gpu-drivers.html
[13:34] <wonkots> That I will do.
[13:35] <wonkots> Thank you guys for the help.
[14:10] <jrg> hi. trying to install on a toshiba satellite and can't seem to get kubuntu to boot
[14:10] <jrg> it was a pretty straightforward install and there aren't many options for the bios... not sure what the problem is here
[14:11] <jrg> bios just can't seem to boot the drive after the install :/
[14:11] <hateball> jrg: what version, are you using efi, are you dualbooting?
[14:11] <hateball> details are helpful :)
[14:12] <jrg> oh i didn't know there was a non-efi version. is there a way to change it to BIOS during the install?
[14:12] <jrg> it did give me an EFI warning. the bios on this thing is so limited
[14:12] <jrg> ah. the boot mode is UEFI Boot with no way to change it in the bios
[14:13] <BluesKaj> jrg, UEFI is the new BIOS
[14:13] <BluesKaj> !UEFI | jrg
[14:13] <jrg> BluesKaj: i know what it is... but i just chose to continue even tho it gave me a UEFI warning
[14:13] <jrg> figuring it was fine and would boot
[14:13] <hateball> installer *should* handle it automatically, but you may have to manually set up efi partition for kubuntu etc
[14:14] <jrg> oh i see
[14:14] <hateball> googling $your_computer_model + linux + efi, is probably helpful
[14:14] <BluesKaj> jrg, are you trying to setup a dual boot?
[14:14] <jrg> no
[14:14] <jrg> just straight install kubuntu only
[14:15] <BluesKaj> well, then there is the option to run UEFI in legacy mode or with secure boot disabled
[14:15] <jrg> during install?
[14:16] <jrg> let me start it up again and check
[14:16] <hateball> BluesKaj: Not all machines have those options, sadly
[14:16] <jrg> yeah
[14:17] <BluesKaj> jrg, no you'll have toset that up in the UEFI , depending on your version it may not be available
[14:17] <jrg> this one has the UEFI mode ONLY.. there doesn't seem to be a way to change it to legacy mode :/
[14:17] <jrg> oh :/
[14:17] <BluesKaj> yeah, not during install
[14:17] <jrg> well.. that sucks
[14:18] <hateball> well even so, it should work
[14:18] <jrg> hateball: that's what i was thinking
[14:18] <hateball> jrg: you've still not told us what version of kubuntu you're trying to install
[14:18] <jrg> i don't see why it wouldn't
[14:18] <jrg> 15.04
[14:18] <hateball> that should be new enough, hmmm
[14:19] <jrg> yah. odd. never really ran into a problem like this before with ubuntu/kubuntu
[14:20] <hateball> jrg: You don't have an option to disable secureboot either?
[14:20] <jrg> no. all i see is UEFI and it's grayed out so i can't even change it
[14:21] <jrg> otherwise swapping to legacy mode would have been my first option
[14:22] <jrg> it's a toshiba satellite c55d-b5212
[14:22] <hateball> well uefi and secureboot are not exclusive
[14:22] <jrg> maybe i can find something about it
[14:23] <hateball> jrg: first google hit is a toshiba release note that even details how to disable it http://support.toshiba.com/support/viewContentDetail?contentId=4005233
[14:23] <jrg> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2237112
[14:23] <BluesKaj> jrg, some users have said that legacy mode is not a good idea, I uise it and and haven't seen a downside yet , but a little research on your part would be good before you decide
[14:24] <jrg> ah crap i'm sorry.
[14:24] <hateball> efi is nice, but secureboot is a pos
[14:24] <jrg> i'll check again
[14:24] <jrg> do you have to disable it pre-install?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> there's also a quickboot on some machines left over from the windows OS, you may want to disable that as well
[14:26] <freeroute> hi
[14:26] <BluesKaj> hey freeroute
[14:26] <freeroute> heh hi BluesKaj :)
[14:26] <jrg> ok. i just disabled it. i'm going to try to install again and see how it goes
[14:26] <BluesKaj> what's up, freeroute?
[14:26] <jrg> sorry about that. i didn't notice it was under security
[14:27] <BluesKaj> different machines have different UEFI setups
[14:29] <freeroute> BluesKaj: Learning as always, how bout you?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> freeroute, yup, try to learn something new everyday, not always successful tho ;-)
[14:31] <freeroute> Question for all of you Kubuntu people: Suppose I want to install only the Plasma desktop on 15.04 (so basically without the apps). My understanding is that during the 15.04 minimal (expert) install I have to specify that I have to install kde-plasma-desktop in the software selection (http://i.imgur.com/p4fkNBL.png). However, that package does not seem to be available there.
[14:32] <freeroute> BluesKaj: absence of success if the worst reason to quit learning IMO :)
[14:33] <jrg> wondering... like.. why doesn't ubuntu/kubuntu have a signature?
[14:33] <BluesKaj> freeroute, it's plasma-desktop, without the kde perfix
[14:36] <freeroute> instead... I can choose between Kubuntu Active (which is basically for tablets from what I've understood), Kubuntu Desktop (which seems to include apps already) and Kubuntu Full (which is I assume everything including the kitchen sink :p)
[14:36] <freeroute> BluesKaj: ah cool, I'll try that. Thanks!
[14:38] <BluesKaj> freeroute, kubuntu-desktop too
[14:40] <freeroute> what's the difference though? :S
[14:40] <freeroute> does kubuntu-desktop include apps?
[14:41] <freeroute> because I'd rather install my own apps
[14:42] <BluesKaj> you need both , kubuntu-desktop helps integrate the plasma desktop in the transition betweem kde/plasma 4 and plasma 5 iirc
[14:43] <BluesKaj> afiak, there's no real kubuntu minimal install
[14:44] <freeroute> oh, so I can't install only the KDE (or Plasma) desktop minus the apps?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> freeroute, there might be a method, but this is the first time I've come across such a request ...kde is loaded with features and options that other desktops lack, but at a price ..there are apps that ican't remove but can disable instead .. afaik those are the best options for a minimal KDE
[14:53] <freeroute> BluesKaj: well, like I don't really need LibreOffice for starters, nor that math program that got included, or even Kdenlive (for now). I'm fine however with stuff like Dolphin, Konsole and Krunner, but all other apps I don't even know if I'd use them or not.
[14:55] <freeroute> and so at this point I'm not even sure what to install, because there's kde-plasma-desktop, kubuntu-desktop and plasma-desktop.
[14:55] <freeroute> what would the most minimal approach be?
[14:56] <BluesKaj> freeroute, there's the PIM package consisting of email (kmail)with a data-base server (akonadi)  which can be disabled , but not deleted without taking the whole desktop with it ...so there arte some annoyances with workarounds
[14:57] <BluesKaj> freeroute, which 'buntu version ?
[14:57] <freeroute> 15.04
[14:57] <freeroute> should I just wait for 15.10 ?
[14:57] <jrg> well.. disabling the secure boot didn't seem to do it either. weird
[14:58] <freeroute> it's like 2 days away from now.
[14:59] <BluesKaj> freeroute, you can install 15.10 now and there will be a few upgrades on thurs when it's officially released ...I'm on 15.10 and it's quite solid atm.
[14:59] <BluesKaj> jrg, legacy mode ?
[14:59] <jrg> ah no. didn't notice that i can put it in legacy mode after disabling secure boot
[14:59] <jrg> blah heh
[15:00] <BluesKaj> jrg, yes you can
[15:02] <freeroute> BluesKaj: if I install it, I'll have to do the mini install. Not sure if this is the right place to get it - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/wily/+package/ubuntu-minimal
[15:02] <jrg> ok... i'm going to leave this thing in legacy mode and try installing one last time. this doesn't work i give up heh
[15:02] <freeroute> also not sure what the difference is between "Proposed" and "Release"
[15:03] <BluesKaj> freeroute, why are you so attracted to minimal install, are you on an older pc or some such?
[15:04] <svend-ev> Ingen hjemme
[15:04] <freeroute> BluesKaj: I just like being able to have as less packages as possible, while maintaining full control over workflow that Plasma might provide me.
[15:04] <BluesKaj> or did someone over at ##linux call KDE bloatware again? :-)
[15:05] <jrg> does "bloat" really matter nowadays?
[15:05] <jrg> i mean unless you're using something embedded?
[15:05] <BluesKaj> svend-ev, jag e' hemme
[15:05] <freeroute> jrg: it does if you're using Chromium :)
[15:06] <jrg> i guess? i mean SSDs are pretty cheap nowadays
[15:06] <BluesKaj> chrome has it's own version of embedded flash
[15:06] <jrg> and i'm not even going to get into how cheap platters are
[15:07] <jrg> BluesKaj: does it? wasn't google on the big html5 push?
[15:07] <jrg> i was hoping by now flash would be obsolete.. wonder how much adobe pays people off to keep it around
[15:07] <BluesKaj> jrg, yes, but in the meatime thgere are still a lot of sites using outdated adobe flash
[15:08] <jrg> well the only way to get rid of that is to get rid of flash heh
[15:08] <jrg> say what you want about steve.. but in that respect he had the right idea heh
[15:08] <BluesKaj> rumour has it google has a backdoor to adobe's flash source code and compiles it's own version for chrome
[15:09] <freeroute> I always run Chromium in firejail. Fawk running Chromium on bare metal :p
[15:09] <jrg> i just use ff
[15:10] <jrg> i really liked opera but it went downhill pretty quick
[15:10] <BluesKaj> I use chrome because it works where I need flash, I'm not picky ..it would be nice to see more webaster convert their sites with HTML5 tho
[15:10] <freeroute> I tried it too, but Chromium has a bit snappier workflow (at expense of RAM however)
[15:11] <jrg> all that matters is that youtube and plex support html5
[15:11] <jrg> although plex html5 is a bit flakey
[15:12] <BluesKaj> yeah, I'm looking at a new ssd soon , just waiting for the right "deal"
[15:12] <jrg> well... i'm about to finish this install with legacy mode enabled and secure mode off.. hopefully it boots. if it doesnt them i'm out of reasons
[15:14] <BluesKaj> jrg, it should be fine, if not there's always boot-repair or run grub -install to /dev/sda/ in the live kubuntu media
[15:16] <jrg> well. i'll see what happens. it's about done
[15:16] <jrg> if this doesn't work then i have no idea heh
[15:17] <BluesKaj> jrg, it worked here, if that's any consolation
[15:19] <jrg> seems like it worked
[15:19] <jrg> nice
[15:19] <BluesKaj> freeroute, I don't worry about workflow much, I'm a home user ...when I was on the job it was strictly windows,but that's a while ago
[15:20] <BluesKaj> jrg, cool :-)
[15:26] <freeroute> BluesKaj: I'm that poor sob that is the only guy who uses Linux at work :p
[15:27] <BluesKaj> freeroute, you're a brave soul IMO,  are you the IT guy ?
[15:28] <freeroute> well, it's not on my title but... :p
[15:29] <BluesKaj> yeah, there's different titles , IT is as IT does ;-)
[15:33] <jrg> where is the option to disable that snapping to the sides of the screen?
[15:35] <jrg> why doesn't the ff menu open? lol
[15:35] <BluesKaj> jrg, do you mean the upper left corner ?
[15:36] <BluesKaj> jrg, check systemsettings>desktop behaviour
[15:40] <jrg> no. i disabled the screen edge stuff. i mean the window snapping. but right now i'm trying to find out why links in kde force a 2nd firefox window to open instead of just oepning a tab in the already oepened ff
[15:41] <lol_> i hate commercial musix
[15:41] <lol_> x
[15:41] <lol_> c
[15:41] <lol_> i hate commercial music
[15:41] <lol_> thre
[15:41] <lol_> there
[15:42] <jrg> seems like a lot of widgets don't work too... like the yahoo weather widget
[15:42] <jrg> beause it's missing qtquickxmml or osmething
[15:42] <jrg> i didn't look into it much tho
[15:42] <lol_> Hey do you guys know how to get that KDE4 ball back
[15:42] <lol_> or is it gone for good
[15:43] <lol_> it was so fun
[15:48] <BluesKaj> jrg, don't forget to update and upgrade with apt
[15:49] <jrg> yeah doing that now
[15:49] <jrg> what does the install update when you install?
[15:49] <jrg> i'm actually doing it with muon but i'm sure that's just an apt frontend
[15:50] <lol_> Can I update my 15.04 already?
[15:51] <BluesKaj> jrg, apt, muon any package manger in 'buntu use the dpkg system, it's the base package managemanr system
[15:52] <jrg> :) i know what apt is. i just figured muon called apt
[15:54] <BluesKaj> jrg, update then upgrade , update doesn't install or upgrade it just sets up the available package changes to be run by upgrade
[15:54] <svend-ev> BluesKaj: i am in www.osaa.dk
[15:56] <BluesKaj> every few days I also run a dist-upgrade, but that's because I'm usually running/testing a dev release for the developers
[15:57] <svend-ev> BluesKaj: This evening is it open, look at the space-API !
[15:59] <BluesKaj> svend-ev, my dansk is a bit rusty as is my svenska , but thanks for the heads up anyway
[16:01] <BluesKaj> my eyes are playing tricks on me today, need my glasses again
[16:04] <svend-ev> More info:  http://osaa.dk/wiki/index.php/Spaceapi
[16:04] <svend-ev> To:  BluesKaj
[16:05] <MoonUnit`> lordievader, rotation is fixed in git \o/
[16:06] <BluesKaj> svend-ev, sorry I don't understand what that site is telling us.
[16:07] <jrg> uhm
[16:07] <jrg> looks like i'm in business :)
[16:07] <BluesKaj> jrg, good :-)
[16:08] <lordievader> MoonUnit`: Good to hear :D
[16:09] <MoonUnit`> lordievader, 	Michel Dänzer adding 2 lines fixed it :)
[16:26] <jrg> hm
[16:26] <jrg> module "QtQuick.XmlListModel" is not installed
[16:26] <jrg> is that something i need to install? heh
[16:27] <EvilerRoey> hey all
[16:27] <EvilerRoey> could maybe one of ya help me with this backup drive issue... I don't understand why I cannot mount this
[16:28] <EvilerRoey> I mean the mount command exits without hanging, but the volume does not appear mounted
[16:37] <jrg> hm. is there a way to make widgets transparent that i'm not seeing?
[16:37] <jrg> i remember these  things being transparent
[16:38] <BluesKaj> jrg, they're theme dependent
[16:39] <jrg> i see. i only have one look and feel theme .. breeze
[16:39] <sheytan> Guys, question. Is it possible to draw shadow under task manager icons?
[16:39] <jrg> or do you mean desktop theme?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> jrg, desktop theme
[16:40] <jrg> ah ok. yeah i found one. awesome thanks
[16:50] <socha> am i right in thinking that neither konqueror, rekonq, or qupzilla support support html5 video fullsreen?
[16:51] <socha> was hoping it was a useragent problem because i vaguely remember getting fullscreen in konqueror, but that could've been flash (which i prefer to keep uninstalled)
[16:52] <socha> this is on youtube btw
[16:58] <jrg> BluesKaj: thanks for all the help. now i can dump this thing off to my aunt and hope she thinks it's Windows :D
[17:01] <BluesKaj> jrg, hmm, I hope you meant that windows statement as a joke :-)
[17:18] <jrg> BluesKaj: lol. somewhat
[17:18] <jrg> right now tho... i tried figuring out why the windows won't resize.. figured it was because i made the window borders tiny.. but after changing the window decorations i can't seem to do anything at all
[17:18] <jrg> the titles even disappeared :)
[17:18] <jrg> ah well.. i'll wait for something to finishing transfering to it then fix it later
[17:19] <jrg> looks like i may need to restart in ordr to fix this.. ic an't even swap to different apps heh
[17:20]  * jrg stares at this thing
[17:22] <jrg> well.. logging out and logging back in seemed to do the trick. it still has that awkward amd issue
[17:23] <jrg> with the blanking screen on boot.. but i don't feel like messing with grub
[17:26] <BluesKaj> jrg, does grub appear /
[17:26] <BluesKaj> ?
[17:27] <jrg> not that i see
[17:27] <jrg> it goes... post... blank... kde
[17:27] <jrg> it's an A8 so i have had this problem before
[17:27] <jrg> it doesn't matter to me so long as kde comes up heh
[17:28] <BluesKaj> ok you have grub set to 0 secs and auto load
[17:29] <jrg> i figured grub was setting a mode that made the A8 embedded radeon screw up
[17:34] <BluesKaj> jrg, usually holding the left shift key down at the post screeen and while it exits, grub should appear
[17:35] <BluesKaj> you can change the hidden time out in /etc/default/grub
[17:40] <freeroute> hey
[17:40] <freeroute> I think I've got pretty far
[17:40] <freeroute> during manual software selection I managed to install plasma-desktop
[17:41] <freeroute> but there's this dependency that it can't meet (a software package that it can't install for some reason)
[17:41] <BluesKaj> ok freeroute was there a kubuntu-desktop option?
[17:41] <freeroute> not sure if it's anything significant but it's called x11-common
[17:41] <freeroute> :p
[17:41] <freeroute> BluesKaj: lemme check
[17:43] <freeroute> yeah it does
[17:43] <freeroute> has a lot of deps tho
[17:43] <freeroute> oh well let's install that and see where it goes
[17:44] <BluesKaj> freeroute, install lsb-base and debconf if available
[17:45] <freeroute> instead of kubuntu-desktop or along with?
[17:46] <BluesKaj> freeroute, kubuntu-desktop should install all the dependencies for X
[17:46] <freeroute> k
[17:47] <freeroute> BluesKaj: so should I do kubuntu-desktop + plasma-desktop or just kubuntu-desktop?
[17:47] <BluesKaj> you need both
[17:48] <BluesKaj> one is plasma 4 transitioning and the other is plasma 5
[17:48] <BluesKaj> and frameworks etc
[17:49] <freeroute> Packages automatically being installed to satisfy dependencies: 699. DL size: 374mb :O
[17:49] <freeroute> BluesKaj: you think 15.10 will only have Plasma 5?
[17:52] <BluesKaj> freeroute, I'm not real sure yet. Gonna ask in the dev chat
[17:52] <freeroute> k, I'll wait here. I have a long download ahead anyways :p
[17:54] <BluesKaj> there will still be a couple plsama 4 transitional libs left in 15.10
[17:54] <BluesKaj> plasma even
[17:55] <BluesKaj> ok some kde 4, not from plasma though, only for some applications
[17:55] <BluesKaj> so looks like plasma itself will be pure 5
[17:56] <freeroute> awesome :D
[17:56] <freeroute> is 15.10 a good platform to test KDE and report bugs from?
[17:59] <BluesKaj> 15.10 will be officially released on thurs, so you'll be officially testing for only 2 days , but in reality anyone running 15.10 for the next 3 months or so is actually testing
[18:00] <denza242> there's always the kubuntu-ci ppas if you want to test
[18:04] <bluezeo> hey guys
[18:05] <BluesKaj> ok , stuff to do for a while ...BBL
[18:05] <freeroute> ty for everything :)
[18:09] <freeroute> openjdk-7-jre-headless <<< why does Kubuntu need this :O
[18:30] <marco-parillo> So my daughter can play Minecraft?
[18:35] <denza242> marco-parillo: there's always minetest :3
[18:46] <BluesKaj> are there any other game makers porting to linux besides steam ?
[18:55] <drleviathan> bummer: that link to Kubuntu FAQ in the topic redirects to a common ubuntu help page and I must then click on the Kubuntu specific link in the righ-hand panel to get to where I want to go
[18:55] <drleviathan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions#Kubuntu
[18:56] <drleviathan> meh, I thake that back.  That is just a sublink to lower in the same page.
[18:56] <BluesKaj> drleviathan, what are you looking for?
[18:57] <drleviathan> specifically I'm looking for an ETA of Kubuntu-15.10, or maybe an early download page to test it.
[18:57] <DRSERG> Hi guys. Have a problem. Installed kubuntu on sda2 (boot prim) and sda4,5,6 (swap, /, /home extended). sda1 and sda3 are ntfs with windows on sda1. After installation i got an error unknown filesystem, grub rescue. I tried a lot of methods to recovery grub (from rescue, from live cd, with boot-repair) but nothing helps. please tell me what to do
[18:57] <drleviathan> thought maybe the FAQ would be helpful
[18:59] <MoonUnit`> BluesKaj, there are others porting games, gog.com have a nice selection too if you want DRM free.
[19:00] <BluesKaj> MoonUnit`, thanks just looking around , not much of a gamer, mainly curious for wife's sake ...trying wean her off windows :-)
[19:00] <freeroute> BluesKaj: still did not solve the x11-common dep :(
[19:01] <freeroute> omg... and it's 58.6 kB... why does it torture me so!
[19:01] <BluesKaj> freeroute, did you try sudo apt -f install, after sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[19:09] <freeroute> BluesKaj: it's during expert install aptitude interface. How can I run commands there?
[19:13] <BluesKaj> freeroute, not familiar with "expert install aptitude interface"
[19:15] <freeroute> BluesKaj: http://i.imgur.com/uxOydZT.png
[19:21] <BluesKaj> freeroute, never seen that before ...sorry , i have no clue..what kind of shell is that?
[19:22] <freeroute> BluesKaj: it's the TUI if you just type `aptitude`
[19:22] <freeroute> wait, I think I know how to get to the shell
[19:24] <BluesKaj> I haven't used aptitude in ages
[19:30] <MoonUnit`> think the only time i see aptitude is when i run ppa-purge
[20:23] <ejay> Hi all.
[20:39] <murthy> after an update, google chrome keeps crashing, with a illegal instruction, core dumped
[20:40] <murthy> Google Chrome 46.0.2490.71
[20:40] <drleviathan> even after a reboot?
[20:40] <murthy> drleviathan: ya
[20:40] <murthy> I tried even installing the beta version, that too crashes
[20:41] <murthy> is there a way I can downgrade google chrome to the previous version?
[20:42]  * drleviathan does not know
[20:42] <bprompt> murthy:    what version  do you have? what version would you want instead?
[20:43] <murthy> bprompt: 46.0.2490.71
[20:43] <bprompt> murthy:    and you want... 45?
[20:43] <bprompt> isn't 46 in beta? btw
[20:43] <murthy> bprompt: right now I am searching the dpkg log to find the previous version
[20:44] <murthy> bprompt: let me confirm if the version is of the stable one
[20:44] <bprompt> k
[20:45] <murthy> google-chrome-stable --version  ----->   Google Chrome 46.0.2490.71
[20:45] <murthy> google-chrome-beta --version -------> Google Chrome 47.0.2526.16 beta
[20:45] <murthy> so thats the stable one's version
[20:47] <bprompt> hmm hold the mayo
[20:48] <murthy> bprompt: I think I found the previous version, 45.0.2454.101-1
[20:48] <murthy> "2015-10-20 01:29:43 upgrade google-chrome-stable:amd64 45.0.2454.101-1 46.0.2490.71-1"
[20:48] <murthy> thats from the dpkg log
[20:50] <bprompt> hmmm
[20:50] <bprompt> murthy:     so, you'd want the 45 64bit version?
[20:50] <murthy> bprompt: ya, if possible 45.0.2454.101
[20:52] <bprompt> hmm
[20:52] <bprompt> murthy:    ok... hold the mayo, lemme upload it somewhere
[20:53] <murthy> bprompt: no
[20:53] <murthy> bprompt: give me an official link
[20:54] <bprompt> murthy:    well, that's the issue, I was looking for an ftp server for it... didn't find one, and many links I checked, simply link to google's site, which will simply give you a google-chrome-stable_current_amd64.deb file, with latest version
[20:55] <bprompt> if I check some more, I may find it, but, tis only 45mbs, and I can upload it quick somewhere's
[20:56] <murthy> bprompt: its not a matter of data size, its the matter of  downloading from a known source
[20:56] <bprompt> eheheh
[20:57] <bprompt> murthy:    I understand that, the issue is, IMO google should have an ftp server, but they do not have an ftp server from where to get it
[20:57] <murthy> bprompt: ya, firefox has right
[20:57] <bprompt> yeap, firefox and opera and microsoft have one, yeap
[20:57] <bprompt> well, mozilla not firefox =)
[20:57] <murthy> ya
[20:58] <murthy> I am searching, i will let you know if I find one
[20:58] <bprompt> ok.....tis only 45.2mbs, and I can upload it somewhere quick enough :)
[21:00] <murthy> bprompt: good news
[21:00] <murthy> bprompt: the old one's deb is in the cache
[21:00] <murthy> "/var/cache/apt/archives/google-chrome-stable_45.0.2454.101-1_amd64.deb"
[21:00] <bprompt> good.... cp it from there to some other folder archive to keep it :)
[21:01] <murthy> done
[21:02] <murthy> now going to uninstall the beta and the stable 46
[21:05] <murthy> bprompt: problem solved, google chrome version 45 is running without problem. thank you
[21:06] <bprompt> np
[21:08] <ejay> I would like to know whos idea it was to make open windows exclusively on secondary screen. I would like to ask that person what kind of drugs he is taking becouse I need some of those.
[21:42] <keithzg> ejay: You should be able to force Windows to open elsewise; the easiest would be to switch it so that windows always open under the mouse.
[21:44] <keithzg> (Window Behaviour -> Advanced -> Placement)
[21:45] <ejay> keithzg: this "windows open always inder mouse pointer" does not work.
[21:46] <keithzg> ejay: *shrug* did you hit apply? Might also require a session restart, though I wouldn't have thought so.
[21:47] <keithzg> I just checked and it works for me (I have two monitors running at the moment, on Kubuntu 14.04).
[21:48] <ejay> keithzg: I'm on plasma5.
[21:49] <keithzg> Yeah, I don't have that running on any actual dual-monitor machines here at work, so I can't double-check. It's *possible* that that's broken now, I guess.
[21:49] <keithzg> ejay: You did hit apply, right? Just making sure.
[21:51] <WildPikachu> is there anything special I need to do to enable Maliit?
[21:51] <WildPikachu> (Kubuntu wily)
[21:52]  * keithzg has no idea, although still uses Maliit every day! . . . on a Nokia N9, admittedly
[21:53] <ejay> keithzg: Hit apply you say? Quality trolling. 2/10
[21:56] <rodolfojcj> hello everybody
[21:56] <rodolfojcj> today, I'm facing a problem with my Kubuntu 15.04 Desktop
[21:57] <rodolfojcj> suddenly, the main Panel, the main Menu and KRunner got stopped
[21:57] <ejay> rodolfojcj: is background black?
[21:57] <rodolfojcj> I've restarted my computer several times and it happens again and again
[21:58] <rodolfojcj> no, the desktop background image and the desktop widgets I have keep in place
[21:59] <ejay> rodolfojcj: can you add new panels and/or widgets?
[21:59] <rodolfojcj> no I can't
[21:59] <rodolfojcj> even the secondary mouse button doesn't work
[21:59] <rodolfojcj> by fortune, I use Yakuake and it allows me to run some commands
[22:00] <ejay> rodolfojcj: remove ksycoca5 from .cache dir, run kbuildsycoca5, restart, pray
[22:00] <rodolfojcj> for example, I run the "konversation" command to connect to this IRC channel
[22:00] <ejay> rodolfojcj: can you check if plasmashell is running?
[22:01] <rodolfojcj> ps auxf | grep plasma
[22:01] <rodolfojcj> gives me this:
[22:01] <rodolfojcj> rodolfo+  1468  2.3  9.3 4414968 312084 ?      Sl   17:16   0:21  \_ /usr/bin/plasmashell --shut-up
[22:02] <ejay> rodolfojcj: so it is running. You can try with ksycoca5 anyway.
[22:03] <keithzg> ejay: You'd be surprised by what folks manage to forget to do :P If that's really not working anymore, though, you might want to inquire on #plasma if it's a known issue or not. Sadly can't justify going off the LTS at my work so I can't test that myself.
[22:03] <rodolfojcj> what tha file ~/.cache/ksycoca5 is supposed to be?
[22:04] <ejay> rodolfojcj: if there is no ksycoca5 file then just run kbuildksycoca5
[22:04] <ejay> and restart
[22:05] <rodolfojcj> there is one file, and seems to be a binary file
[22:05] <rodolfojcj> I'll remove it like you said
[22:05] <ejay> rodolfojcj: remove it. kbuildsycoca5 is replacing this file anyway but I'm always removing this file just to be sure.
[22:07] <rodolfojcj> I removed it and run kbuildsycoca5
[22:08] <rodolfojcj> now I'll restart
[22:08] <rodolfojcj> I'll tell you what happened in some minutes...
[22:08] <rodolfojcj> thanks!
[22:08] <rodolfojcj> the logout button doesn't work too
[22:09] <rodolfojcj> I'll run an "init 6" command
[22:13] <rodolfojcj> here I am again
[22:14] <rodolfojcj> I'll wait some minutes to see if the KDE main panel and main menu keep running
[22:14] <rodolfojcj> or if they die
[22:15] <ejay> rodolfojcj: if you are on kubuntu 15.04 without backporst plasmashell WILL die again.
[22:15] <rodolfojcj> it already died :(
[22:16] <rodolfojcj> I have had this computer running OK for months without backports
[22:16] <ejay> rodolfojcj: welcome to plasma5. future is now.
[22:16] <rodolfojcj> I don't remember to have made any changes recently
[22:17] <rodolfojcj> so I wonder what could be the cause/reason for this failures
[22:17] <rodolfojcj> do you recommend to add the backports repository?
[22:18] <ejay> rodolfojcj: if you have time - yes, go for backports. If you need stable workspace then no.
[22:19] <rodolfojcj> these weeks, I would like the stable option
[22:19] <keithzg> rodolfojcj: Have you tried adding another user and running as them, seeing if you run into the same problems? That should narrow down if it's a user config problem or not.
[22:20] <ejay> rodolfojcj: then do not touch anything and pray. They will ship new version in a week anyway and prolly bunch of new bugs and issues will take our time and productivity. Brace yourself!
[22:20] <rodolfojcj> ok
[22:21] <rodolfojcj> my brother has an account on this computer, so I could ask him the favor to open his session
[22:21] <alex______> hi there my kde 5 plasma panel crashed is there any way to delete the session cache?
[22:22] <rodolfojcj> while the new version arrives, what workaround could I use to keep the Plasma desktop elements running?
[22:22] <ejay> rodolfojcj: problem with plasma is that those crashes are so random.
[22:23] <ejay> alex______: remove ksycoca5 from .cache and run kbuildsycoca5
[22:24] <ejay> alex______: just to be sure - you are on plasma5?
[22:24] <rodolfojcj> I thought it could be a ram memory problem, so I run Memtest for some hours and the results were OK, so it doesn't seem to be a hardware problem
[22:24] <rodolfojcj> I'm doing this:
[22:24] <rodolfojcj> in Yakuake run command "killall plasmashell" and then run command "kstart5 plasmashell"
[22:25] <rodolfojcj> I have desktop elements again
[22:25] <keithzg> rodolfojcj: At least in my experience, such crashes are *usually* either some weird config thing, or to do with graphics drivers.
[22:26] <rodolfojcj> ok, but why so suddenly?
[22:27] <rodolfojcj> I don't remember to have changed a configuration in the recent weeks
[22:27] <rodolfojcj> is there a log file for plasmashell?
[22:27] <ejay> rodolfojcj: you are using unfinished software - bugs should not suprise you.
[22:28] <ejay> an*
[22:28] <ejay> or a*
[22:31] <rodolfojcj> it died again
[22:32] <rodolfojcj> by fortune Alt+Tab, Yakuake and firefox are working
[22:32] <rodolfojcj> please see https://paste.ee/p/1yaeD
[22:32] <rodolfojcj> it has all the standard output of running the plasmashell command manually
[22:36] <rodolfojcj> here I am again
[22:37] <rodolfojcj> killing plasmashell and running "kdestart5 plasmashell" for a second time doesn't work fine. The desktop graphics got a complete mess!
[22:39] <keithzg> rodolfojcj: ~/.xsession-errors *might* have details.
[22:45] <rodolfojcj> ~/.xsession-errors doesn't seem to have a significant error message, at least not for plasmashell and for I can deduce
[22:46] <rodolfojcj> could it be a lightdm problem?
[22:48] <ejay> rodolfojcj: plasma crashes are common. Someone told me it is something with gfx drivers. No one is 100% sure what's goin on. Maybe devs know but you need to wait for new version. That's it. I spend countless hours trying to fix this. I just got used to it.
[23:13] <th3s3_3y3s> Why is the PV contained in an EXT file system?
[23:13] <rodolfojcj> here I am again
[23:14] <th3s3_3y3s> It makes it a large tast to expand the PV to actually use an entire physical volume.
[23:14] <rodolfojcj> I could not read your last messages, if any, because my session completely faild
[23:14] <th3s3_3y3s> Why is the PV contained in an EXT file system?
[23:14] <rodolfojcj> now I'm using another user account in my computer and web irc client
[23:15] <rodolfojcj> and the system has about 10 minutes working fine
[23:15] <th3s3_3y3s> ok
[23:15] <rodolfojcj> so it seems to me that the problem my user account has with plasmashell is related to "something" inside my session/configuration
[23:16] <rodolfojcj> some suggestion about where to see to diagnose/cure the failure in my session?
[23:16] <th3s3_3y3s> debug packages.
[23:17] <rodolfojcj> or do you know how to reset my KDE config? without losing KDE PIM information?
[23:18] <th3s3_3y3s> kubuntu looks like an extended ubuntu so having ubuntu work well is required to run all of the extras
[23:20] <th3s3_3y3s> Why is the PV contained in an EXT file system?
[23:21] <th3s3_3y3s> Is this for saftey?