[02:00] Good morning [02:02] o/ pitti [02:02] strange to see you turning up 3pm my time [02:06] thumper: yeah, couldn't sleep any more, argh [02:46] Hey pitti. [06:36] good morning, desktop! [06:51] hey desrt, how are you? [06:51] good [06:51] i am using the fine internet facilities of your country [06:52] and also its timezone [06:53] good morning [06:53] hello didrocks! [06:53] hey desrt, jet lag? [06:54] * desrt looks at the clock and sees 8:54 [06:54] no [06:54] bonjour didrocks, c,a va ? [06:54] eek, compose key fail again [06:54] desrt: ah, where are you? [06:54] köln [06:55] bonjour pitti, ça va, et toi ? [06:56] didrocks: je me léve à 4h ... mais j'ai dormi une autre heure maintenant [06:56] good morning desktopers [06:56] hey didrocks desrt pitti [06:56] canada has a new dictator this morning [06:56] that's fun [06:56] desrt, so the new haircut worked out? [06:57] seems to be the case [06:57] :-/ [06:57] didrocks: on a eu une bonne leçon française hier soir ! [06:57] desrt: oh, change for the better or worse? [06:57] pitti: depends on your viewpoint [06:58] we replaced principled conservatives with idiot liberals [06:58] desrt: mine == liberal/left/ecologist [06:58] (like probably most geeks :) ) [06:58] pitti: all well and good, but do you want a party with a plan or one that just says what it thinks will get it elected? [06:58] desrt: like I really liked the story about taxing/abolishing coal power plants [06:58] (which is what we have now) [06:58] pitti: quelle était la leçon d'hier ? :) [06:59] pitti: pish. that's so 2013 :) [06:59] i guess i should be happy for the result [06:59] our new PM is a moron [06:59] desrt, I read an article about Harper yesterday which stated that he acted against free expression in some ways, or at the paper stated that he made scentific plublications about the climate changes much more difficult and other things to please the oil interest [06:59] but his party has some good policies [07:00] didn't know you had such politics [07:00] seb128: ya. this was 100% pure don't-let-the-door-hit-you-in-the-ass evil [07:00] desrt: obviously the former if it's a good plan :) but then again, when new parties come to reign, they pretty much all seem to do the same thing with only minor variations -- this "reality pressure" (which is really "lobby pressure") apparently [07:00] very glad to see these idiots gone [07:00] just not 100% happy about the replacement.... [07:00] * desrt voted socialist [07:01] they started the race in the lead, but finished in 3rd place :( [07:01] i do have one hope, though.... [07:01] canadian politics has become obsessed in the past decade with party leaders [07:01] mostly because the last party leader was a fascist dictator [07:02] i can hope that under the new government the rank and file of the party has more power [07:02] and in that case its leader is not as important [07:02] I hope for you that the new one is better than the previous one! [07:02] didrocks: c'était de la description des personnes et choses -- chauve, maigre, les cheveux châtains ou blonde; bande, rayure, triangle, ronde, les coulers, etc. [07:02] seb128: there is no doubt about this :) [07:03] but even this new government is the party that voted in favour of our new "anti-terror" law [07:03] their line was "we don't like it, but we will support it anyway and then when we win the next election we'll make some minor fixes about the things we don't like..." [07:04] pitti: tu feras ça avec le monde à la fête des lumières :) [07:05] at least i am sure that canada will stop being an embarrassment in the world -- no more climate change denial or hilariously over-the-top nobody-is-really-listening-to-canada-anyway russia-hate/israel-love [07:06] sounds like improvements indeed [07:07] * desrt cleans up the aruiz patch [07:07] good dose of plane hacking, that :) [07:13] pitti, -devel is busy and I don't want to sidetrack the langpack discussion but do you have an opinion about https://bugs.launchpad.net/apport/+bug/1507711 ? [07:13] Launchpad bug 1507711 in Apport "crash_signature should(?) be created for stacktraces missing the first symbol" [Undecided,New] [07:14] seb128: I'm a bit torn -- doing this in general seems like a bad idea, but maybe there are some cases where we can relax it [07:15] seb128: I better answer in the bug, hang on [07:15] pitti, ok [07:15] I don't know why sometime the first symbol is missing [07:15] but the examples in the bugs have 4 valids ones and that's useful info, atm we get useless pages about failed retracing [07:16] didrocks, somebody emailed me about trusty upgrades issues, seems to be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-make/+bug/1507871 ... I guess you saw it? [07:16] Launchpad bug 1507871 in ubuntu-make (Ubuntu) "python-pexpect 4.0.1-0~ppatrusty2 from ubuntu-make ppa fails to install" [Undecided,Confirmed] [07:19] seb128: yep, I've deleted the package for now and moved to another ppa [07:20] didrocks, thanks [07:20] https://github.com/pexpect/pexpect/issues/220 btw [07:21] but of course, our pre-pyc compiler don't agree it's not used :p [07:21] yeah... [07:24] seb128: btw, I wonder why we install pexpect by default [07:25] hplip [07:26] seb128: j'ai répondé [07:26] pitti, merci [07:26] seb128: well, it's a testing framework, there is no reason to get it installed on user's machine still [07:27] (if the testsuite is depending on it, it should just be a build-dep) [07:27] yeah, downloading the source to see [07:28] debian bug #555361 [07:28] Debian bug 555361 in hplip "hplip: Embedded code copy of python-pexpect" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/555361 [07:29] well, still doesn't justify why they went to the runtime dep [07:30] seb128: what are "useless pages about failed retracing"? [07:31] pitti, e.g https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/2ebfd81699a9dba286619318826c3c894a0475a4 [07:31] seb128: oh, and in these cases it doesn't show the stack trace at all? [07:31] pitti, that's for the one which has ?? then make_protobuf_object then [07:31] pitti, no, just those pages ^ [07:31] eek [07:31] because they is no signature [07:32] seb128: so, I need confirmation from bdmurray, but I'm fairly sure with the "hybrid" signature we can get better [07:32] there* [07:32] k [07:32] but I wonder why it doesn't show the incomplete stack trace anyway [07:32] pitti, see e.g http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12863467/ [07:32] "Apport did not return a crash_signature." [07:33] bdmurray pointed that as being the issue [07:34] seb128: right; we can't get a real one in this case, but maybe an inferior/non-unique one is better than none [07:34] yeah [07:34] let's discuss it with Brian when he's up [07:34] pitti, thanks! [07:35] didrocks, let's ask Till once he's online [07:36] yeah [07:37] good morning! [07:38] hey larsu [07:38] bonjour didrocks! Ça va? [07:42] hey larsu, wie gehts? [07:42] ça va, et toi ? [07:45] seb128: morning! gut, danke. Und dir? [07:45] feeling much better today [07:45] most importantly, my throat stopped hurting [07:48] larsu, auch gut, danke ;-) [07:48] :) [07:48] great [07:49] morning [07:49] hi Trevinho [07:50] hi larsu [07:50] got any time to check gtk rounding corners? [07:50] ya [07:50] (in a bit) [07:59] morning desktoppers [07:59] morning [07:59] hey Trevinho willcooke [07:59] morning Trevinho, you're up early [07:59] :) [07:59] morning willcooke [07:59] willcooke: s/early/late [07:59] :P [07:59] :) [08:02] hey willcooke [08:02] moin [08:03] Trevinho, andyrock, hikiko - I was thinking we should kick off the agile process next Monday, i.e. in the X cycle. I'll send round a meeting invite [08:03] ok [08:07] Trevinho, actually, we should probably finish what is already in progress on the board :) [08:07] so maybe we take that work as "sprint 1" [08:07] AGILE! [08:07] yes, avoiding to add new stuff though [08:07] Trevinho, yeah [08:08] larsu, it's going to be a maze ing [08:09] willcooke: or just a maze [08:09] :) [08:11] HEY [08:13] hey Laney, good morning [08:15] hey pitti [08:16] how's it going? [08:16] Laney: quite alright, thanks (bit tired); how about you guys in the office? [08:16] don't see any fire yet [08:16] Laney: where are we between "release business as usual" and "OMGwealldie"? [08:16] oh, great [08:16] hey Laney [08:16] ... suspicious! [08:16] morning Laney [08:17] it's probably working its way through from the underground now [08:17] hey seb128 et didrocks [08:17] Laney, do you think we can kill ubuntu-desktop-next from wily before release? [08:17] what's up [08:17] ok [08:17] is it officially deadsies? [08:17] Laney: half a year on this day I was desperately debugging plymouth shutdown stuff :) [08:18] seems like, and we didn't solve the issue that the binary screws grub configs [08:18] seb128: oha? snappification is the new thing? [08:18] need to confirm with willcooke, hold on [08:18] hi pitti Laney and Sweet5hark [08:18] pitti, ubuntu-desktop-next is snappy personal image [08:18] * larsu writes a "good morning" script [08:18] pitti, so no, that's just not being worked on atm and confuses users [08:18] ahoy larsu [08:19] Laney: office still standing? [08:19] no coffee machine!!! [08:20] pah! [08:20] again?! [08:20] * Laney riots [08:20] yeah, check the group dude [08:20] :P [08:20] I hope a telephone has been used and an engineer has been called [08:20] waow, found a new bug with ppa: binary copy only including arch:all packages only publish on one architecture, not all… [08:20] that's outrageous [08:20] sorry seb128, back from a poo emergency (babies, not mine) [08:20] lol [08:23] seb128, Laney - right, so yes please, stop the builds now (if poss) and can you give me an indication of how much effort is involved in removing those images? This is all less important than release work of course [08:26] willcooke, Laney, the thing is that if we want to stop those images we should remove the desktop-next binary from wily since it nukes grub configs and it would be good if it was out before some users installs it by error [08:26] go on then [08:26] delete the seeds too [08:27] do we need to delete the seed? [08:27] or can we just delete the binary and stop the cronjob [08:27] I guess we are going to want to resume those one day [08:27] so I would like to keep things in place as much as we can [08:27] why would you want to resume it? [08:28] seb128, Laney - can we do it so that it can be switched on again easily if required [08:28] ... [08:28] who knows [08:28] seb128: +1 [08:28] which is the point [08:28] Laney, because I've been in that company for long enough that I would not dismiss the possibility that whoever ask for the change is going to ask us to undo it next cycle :p [08:28] :D [08:28] there ya go [08:28] it's you asking for the change [08:28] :) [08:28] lol [08:28] s/possibility/probability/ [08:28] don't shoot the messenger [08:29] ;-) [08:30] don't shoot anyone, please [08:30] yeah, dude, put that gun down [08:30] seb128: so want me to remove ubuntu-touch-meta? [08:30] (it's trivial to re-NEW it next cycle if need be) [08:31] err, sorry, we just need to nuke the binary [08:31] pitti, no, just ubuntu-desktop-next binary [08:31] i. e. we need an upload [08:31] the ubuntu-sdk binaries are still wanted [08:31] right [08:31] ubuntu-touch as well [08:31] pitti, can you do that one? [08:32] Laney: should be ok, right? the touch ones aren't on any image that you are preparing [08:32] also where do we stop the job that produces https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-desktop-next ? [08:33] Package: ubuntu-pocket-desktop [08:33] pitti, that we want to keep [08:33] seb128: ok [08:33] yes, keep [08:34] it's the new seed for the new pocket desktop phones [08:38] tseliot: any joy with the intel/prime/nvidia issue? [08:38] probably upload it to stop building the binary too [08:38] I turned off the cron jobs [08:38] davmor2: yes, I have a workaround for it. Do you have a bug report for me? [08:38] Laney: yes, on it [08:38] Laney, pitti, thanks [08:38] and I guess I will move away the current isos [08:38] that seems most minimal [08:38] tseliot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1507676 [08:38] Launchpad bug 1507676 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Nvidia-Prime not switching from intel to nvidia leading to a black screen" [Undecided,New] [08:39] pitti, Laney - thank you gents [08:39] * pitti bows, no prob [08:39] davmor2: good, would you like a package for testing? [08:39] no worries [08:39] tseliot: sure [08:41] W: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/wily/universe/binary-armhf/Packages.gz was corrupt [08:41] awesome [08:41] davmor2: here you go: http://people.canonical.com/~amilone/ubuntu-drivers-common_0.4.11_amd64.deb [08:41] it already retried like 20 times [08:43] brb [08:46] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg [08:47] what of this xdg-utils stuff? [08:47] Laney: eek [08:48] the recommends and system-image stuff seem okay, but the build-deps aren't [08:49] pitti: which ones? [08:49] * Laney is just looking at xdg-utils atm [08:49] Laney: bug 1471476 and cmake-extras [08:49] bug 1471476 in libimage-exiftool-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libimage-exiftool-perl" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1471476 [09:00] seb128: just copied 4.4.6~rc2/vivid to the ppa. Should be SRUed next week, if there are no reported troubles. [09:00] Sweet5hark, good! [09:02] pitti, bah, looks like https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu/wily/apport/str_no_decoding/+merge/273076 was not good enough [09:02] pitti, we get those now https://launchpadlibrarian.net/221338064/HookError_source_ubiquity.txt [09:02] * seb128 hates python encoding issues [09:02] hi there, hitting a wall while attempting to upgrade my laptop from 15.04 to 15.10, after several bugs: update-manager -d is hanging with a python traceback and after telling me my system is unstable and it will try dpkg-reconfigure -a : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12875541 [09:02] vila, hi, try #ubuntu for user questions [09:03] seb128: ack, thanks and sorry for the noise [09:03] vila, you can also try to sudo apt-get -f install [09:03] seems like your python3.4 is uninstalled [09:03] seb128: argh, so for post-processing when copying a .report to a different machine? so this does need a check to only decode if it's binary [09:03] or try to reinstall it [09:04] seb128: ack, wasn't sure if some investigation of the mostly dead system could help [09:04] vila, unsure what you did, seems like you remove python3.4 or had an upgrade stopped in middle which let things buggy [09:05] seb128: I only ran 'update-manager -d' the rest followed [09:05] vila, so maybe your machine was in a buggy state before you did that [09:05] seb128: but got several apport runs for ofono, urfkill and nfs-common, most of them already known bugs [09:06] seb128: well, it ran fine until then, but I got the idea ;) [09:06] vila: I saw your "me too" on bug 1476010, but this is still completey inexplicable/unreproducible for me [09:06] bug 1476010 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu) "package nfs-common 1:1.2.8-9ubuntu8.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 100" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1476010 [09:06] seb128: Python3 leads to encoding challenges, encoding challenges lead to surprising runtime aborts, Surprising runtime aborts lead to fear. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much Python3 in you. [09:07] pitti: right, not sure why I have nfs-common to be honest (probably history), want me to comment further on the bug ? (Was planning to do so once the upgrade succeeded but... I'm not there ;) [09:08] vila: if you have a way to reproduce this (in a VM or so), that'd be most helpful; I tried a lot of different scenarios and they all worked.. [09:09] pitti: well, the only place I see that is in my laptop in its current state ;) [09:09] vila: to clarify, are you running systemd or upstart? (I strongly suspect systemd, but let's be sure) [09:10] pitti: systemd as it became available [09:10] ok [09:10] Sweet5hark, lol [09:10] pitti: I remember having to disable ofono while we were sprinting in... Orlando ? [09:11] vila: bug 1502536 is indeed similar, but I thought back then we had a different reason [09:11] bug 1502536 in ofono (Ubuntu Wily) "package ofono 1.17.bzr6904+15.10.20150928.1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 100" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502536 [09:12] pitti: I ran into that one as well and subscribed [09:12] vila: they are effectively the same -- i. e. some situation that confuses invoke-rc.d [09:12] pitti: and was planning on doing the 'apt-get install --reinstall ofono' [09:12] vila: does that still fail? [09:12] * pitti hopes that it does [09:12] seb128: ... or maybe python3 is just a conspiracy to make people write unittests and do fuzzing even on the smallest snipplet of python code. [09:13] vila: I need to debug it on a machine where it happens; the other reporters apparently already rebooted or something such [09:13] pitti: haven't tried yet, was going to say: "Want me to collect something before I try 'apt-get -f install' ? [09:13] vila: I think the bugs already have initial logs; I'm interested in a set -x output of invoke-rc.d while it happens, but for that one needs to at least dpkg-reconfigure [09:14] seb128: can you check if https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=700507#c16 does fix that bug? [09:14] Gnome bug 700507 in Crashers "Segfault comparing two files when accessing smb:///" [Critical,New] [09:14] I didn't test it since you went away :( [09:24] Laney, sure, let me try to see if I can reproduce again, booting my test laptop [09:25] thanks [09:25] yw [09:25] I think it should be the same as the first patch [10:33] good morning all [10:47] andyrock: hello [10:49] good morning [10:51] morning qengho [11:01] willcooke, seb128: NBSed ubuntu-desktop-next [11:01] RIP [11:01] Somebody should say a few words... [11:27] pitti, thanks [11:35] DIE, DIE IN FIRE!!! willcooke is that what you had in mind? [11:35] davmor2, ummmmm, not quite. ;p [11:36] willcooke: but without dying in fire it can't rise like the phoenix anew [11:36] nice recovery [11:37] * davmor2 hides the rest of his aces up his sleeve for another day then === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:11] Trevinho, did I see you had a Push Bullet indicator on your computer? I have one, but it's not very good. Wondering what you use, if anything === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:49] willcooke: what is eviacam? [12:50] Laney, http://eviacam.sourceforge.net/index.php [12:50] Laney, just being uploaded to Debian [12:50] oh right [12:50] this should happen more or less automatically :) [12:50] nice! [12:50] In to Universe right? [12:51] * qengho fears anything at sourceforge automatically uploaded to Debian. [12:51] it's manually going in to Debian [12:52] a man is making it happen, not a robot [12:52] indeed [12:56] otherwise https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess [12:58] * ogra_ already sees us being sued for all these neck injuries [12:58] given we are in final freeze you most likely need to request a sync [12:59] it's not even there yet [12:59] this is for 16.04 of course [12:59] ah [12:59] I'm not *that* stupid ;) [13:00] nobody say ANYTHING [13:00] whats stupid about that [13:00] many syncs will still happen before final i guess :) [13:00] people usually only remember the last week that they wanted something :) [13:00] hah [13:01] (indeed something that is *super* important and was *always* missing !!) [13:01] ogra_: for decades [13:01] yeah :) [13:01] :D:D [13:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1506502/comments/7 [13:04] Launchpad bug 1506502 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "fcitx-mozc is not installed by default on Ubuntu 15.10" [High,Confirmed] [13:04] this guy's expression of happiness makes me laugh [13:05] \o/ [13:06] willcooke: it's probably the same you've. I don't think there are more than one version [13:06] Trevinho, well, yours seemed to work. My doesn't any more [13:06] Laney, happyaron, did we meant to add those to the iso? I though they were just supposed to be installed by language-selector for japanese installs? [13:07] they drop out if you don't pick them [13:07] willcooke: it stops time to time... Let me google for it [13:07] same as for chinese [13:07] Trevinho, don't worry about it, no biggy [13:07] Laney, yeah, I was just concerned about iso size [13:07] don't make this guy sad [13:07] look how happy he is [13:07] lol [13:07] right :p [13:07] willcooke: this one http://www.atareao.es/ubuntu/enviar-archivos-desde-ubuntu-a-android-con-pushbullet/ [13:07] but still it's buggy [13:07] kk, thanks Trevinho [13:09] hey [13:09] morning attente [13:09] hey attente [13:10] good morning! === Laney changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently [13:11] hi attent! [13:11] e! [13:11] argh, a floating eye [13:11] hi Laney! [13:11] #nethackjokes [13:11] attente: I did day 5 last night [13:11] it's getting tough now [13:11] how's it going? [13:12] i missed day 7 yesterday D: [13:13] morning attente [13:13] why's this u-c-c bug still happening... [13:13] we have a new prime minister [13:13] who is it? [13:13] ontario or canada? [13:14] or was that the answer to "why's this u-c-c bug still happening..." [13:14] #blametrudeau [13:16] hash tags in irc ... we've come full circle [13:16] the two are directly correlated [13:16] attente, one with a nice haircut I've been told! [13:19] seb128: yep, that's the guy [13:21] Laney: i see that most of the commits to lp:whoopsie-preferences are from you. should i bug you about the code, or someone else? [13:21] try ev first [13:21] * Laney giggles like the dog in duck hunt [13:21] heh [13:22] I just fixed some stuff [13:22] so... can review if really necessary but I think ev or bdmurray would probably be more close to maintainers [13:22] i'm wondering why it's using POLKIT_CHECK_AUTHORIZATION_FLAGS_ALLOW_USER_INTERACTION when checking if the request is authorized [13:23] hmm, ok [13:24] probably bzr blame and find who wrote that :P [13:25] ahem [13:25] * Laney gets scared that it was him [13:25] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~daisy-pluckers/whoopsie-preferences/trunk/revision/48.1.2 [13:25] "dobey" :p [13:25] (that would have been fun ;)) [13:25] ah shit [13:25] ahah [13:25] oh no [13:25] OH NO! [13:25] that's not bad either :) [13:25] I JUST COMMITTED HIS [13:26] almost [13:26] Laney: there is your seal though [13:26] the committer id is important [13:26] not the fact that you backported an upload commit ;) [13:27] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~daisy-pluckers/whoopsie-preferences/trunk/revision/47 [13:27] the problem is that it blocks getting the device id [13:27] it got dropped accidentally and I rescued it [13:27] go ask ev [13:28]