[02:00] <pitti> Good morning
[02:02] <thumper> o/ pitti
[02:02] <thumper> strange to see you turning up 3pm my time
[02:06] <pitti> thumper: yeah, couldn't sleep any more, argh
[02:46] <TheMuso> Hey pitti.
[06:36] <desrt> good morning, desktop!
[06:51] <pitti> hey desrt, how are you?
[06:51] <desrt> good
[06:51] <desrt> i am using the fine internet facilities of your country
[06:52] <desrt> and also its timezone
[06:53] <didrocks> good morning
[06:53] <desrt> hello didrocks!
[06:53] <didrocks> hey desrt, jet lag?
[06:54]  * desrt looks at the clock and sees 8:54
[06:54] <desrt> no
[06:54] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, c,a va ?
[06:54] <pitti> eek, compose key fail again
[06:54] <pitti> desrt: ah, where are you?
[06:54] <desrt> köln
[06:55] <didrocks> bonjour pitti, ça va, et toi ?
[06:56] <pitti> didrocks: je me léve à 4h ... mais j'ai dormi une autre heure maintenant
[06:56] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:56] <seb128> hey didrocks desrt pitti
[06:56] <desrt> canada has a new dictator this morning
[06:56] <desrt> that's fun
[06:56] <seb128> desrt, so the new haircut worked out?
[06:57] <desrt> seems to be the case
[06:57] <seb128> :-/
[06:57] <pitti> didrocks: on a eu une bonne leçon française hier soir !
[06:57] <pitti> desrt: oh, change for the better or worse?
[06:57] <desrt> pitti: depends on your viewpoint
[06:58] <desrt> we replaced principled conservatives with idiot liberals
[06:58] <pitti> desrt: mine == liberal/left/ecologist
[06:58] <pitti> (like probably most geeks :) )
[06:58] <desrt> pitti: all well and good, but do you want a party with a plan or one that just says what it thinks will get it elected?
[06:58] <pitti> desrt: like I really liked the story about taxing/abolishing coal power plants
[06:58] <desrt> (which is what we have now)
[06:58] <didrocks> pitti: quelle était la leçon d'hier ? :)
[06:59] <desrt> pitti: pish.  that's so 2013 :)
[06:59] <desrt> i guess i should be happy for the result
[06:59] <desrt> our new PM is a moron
[06:59] <seb128> desrt, I read an article about Harper yesterday which stated that he acted against free expression in some ways, or at the paper stated that he made scentific plublications about the climate changes much more difficult and other things to please the oil interest
[06:59] <desrt> but his party has some good policies
[07:00] <seb128> didn't know you had such politics
[07:00] <desrt> seb128: ya.  this was 100% pure don't-let-the-door-hit-you-in-the-ass evil
[07:00] <pitti> desrt: obviously the former if it's a good plan :) but then again, when new parties come to reign, they pretty much all seem to do the same thing with only minor variations -- this "reality pressure" (which is really "lobby pressure") apparently
[07:00] <desrt> very glad to see these idiots gone
[07:00] <desrt> just not 100% happy about the replacement....
[07:00]  * desrt voted socialist
[07:01] <desrt> they started the race in the lead, but finished in 3rd place :(
[07:01] <desrt> i do have one hope, though....
[07:01] <desrt> canadian politics has become obsessed in the past decade with party leaders
[07:01] <desrt> mostly because the last party leader was a fascist dictator
[07:02] <desrt> i can hope that under the new government the rank and file of the party has more power
[07:02] <desrt> and in that case its leader is not as important
[07:02] <seb128> I hope for you that the new one is better than the previous one!
[07:02] <pitti> didrocks: c'était de la description des personnes et choses -- chauve, maigre, les cheveux châtains ou blonde; bande, rayure, triangle, ronde, les coulers, etc.
[07:02] <desrt> seb128: there is no doubt about this :)
[07:03] <desrt> but even this new government is the party that voted in favour of our new "anti-terror" law
[07:03] <desrt> their line was "we don't like it, but we will support it anyway and then when we win the next election we'll make some minor fixes about the things we don't like..."
[07:04] <didrocks> pitti: tu feras ça avec le monde à la fête des lumières :)
[07:05] <desrt> at least i am sure that canada will stop being an embarrassment in the world -- no more climate change denial or hilariously over-the-top nobody-is-really-listening-to-canada-anyway russia-hate/israel-love
[07:06] <seb128> sounds like improvements indeed
[07:07]  * desrt cleans up the aruiz patch
[07:07] <desrt> good dose of plane hacking, that :)
[07:13] <seb128> pitti, -devel is busy and I don't want to sidetrack the langpack discussion but do you have an opinion about https://bugs.launchpad.net/apport/+bug/1507711 ?
[07:14] <pitti> seb128: I'm a bit torn -- doing this in general seems like a bad idea, but maybe there are some cases where we can relax it
[07:15] <pitti> seb128: I better answer in the bug, hang on
[07:15] <seb128> pitti, ok
[07:15] <seb128> I don't know why sometime the first symbol is missing
[07:15] <seb128> but the examples in the bugs have 4 valids ones and that's useful info, atm we get useless pages about failed retracing
[07:16] <seb128> didrocks, somebody emailed me about trusty upgrades issues, seems to be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-make/+bug/1507871 ... I guess you saw it?
[07:19] <didrocks> seb128: yep, I've deleted the package for now and moved to another ppa
[07:20] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[07:20] <didrocks> https://github.com/pexpect/pexpect/issues/220 btw
[07:21] <didrocks> but of course, our pre-pyc compiler don't agree it's not used :p
[07:21] <seb128> yeah...
[07:24] <didrocks> seb128: btw, I wonder why we install pexpect by default
[07:25] <seb128> hplip
[07:26] <pitti> seb128: j'ai répondé
[07:26] <seb128> pitti, merci
[07:26] <didrocks> seb128: well, it's a testing framework, there is no reason to get it installed on user's machine still
[07:27] <didrocks> (if the testsuite is depending on it, it should just be a build-dep)
[07:27] <seb128> yeah, downloading the source to see
[07:28] <seb128> debian bug #555361
[07:29] <didrocks> well, still doesn't justify why they went to the runtime dep
[07:30] <pitti> seb128: what are "useless pages about failed retracing"?
[07:31] <seb128> pitti, e.g https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/2ebfd81699a9dba286619318826c3c894a0475a4
[07:31] <pitti> seb128: oh, and in these cases it doesn't show the stack trace at all?
[07:31] <seb128> pitti, that's for the one which has ?? then make_protobuf_object<mir::protobuf::wire::Result>  then
[07:31] <seb128> pitti, no, just those pages ^
[07:31] <pitti> eek
[07:31] <seb128> because they is no signature
[07:32] <pitti> seb128: so, I need confirmation from bdmurray, but I'm fairly sure with the "hybrid" signature we can get better
[07:32] <seb128> there*
[07:32] <seb128> k
[07:32] <pitti> but I wonder why it doesn't show the incomplete stack trace anyway
[07:32] <seb128> pitti, see e.g http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12863467/
[07:32] <seb128> "Apport did not return a crash_signature."
[07:33] <seb128> bdmurray pointed that as being the issue
[07:34] <pitti> seb128: right; we can't get a real one in this case, but maybe an inferior/non-unique one is better than none
[07:34] <seb128> yeah
[07:34] <seb128> let's discuss it with Brian when he's up
[07:34] <seb128> pitti, thanks!
[07:35] <seb128> didrocks, let's ask Till once he's online
[07:36] <didrocks> yeah
[07:37] <larsu> good morning!
[07:38] <didrocks> hey larsu
[07:38] <larsu> bonjour didrocks! Ça va?
[07:42] <seb128> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[07:42] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[07:45] <larsu> seb128: morning! gut, danke. Und dir?
[07:45] <larsu> feeling much better today
[07:45] <larsu> most importantly, my throat stopped hurting
[07:48] <seb128> larsu, auch gut, danke ;-)
[07:48] <larsu> :)
[07:48] <seb128> great
[07:49] <Trevinho> morning
[07:49] <larsu> hi Trevinho
[07:50] <Trevinho> hi larsu
[07:50] <Trevinho> got any time to check gtk rounding corners?
[07:50] <larsu> ya
[07:50] <larsu> (in a bit)
[07:59] <willcooke> morning desktoppers
[07:59] <Trevinho> morning
[07:59] <seb128> hey Trevinho willcooke
[07:59] <willcooke> morning Trevinho, you're up early
[07:59] <Trevinho> :)
[07:59] <larsu> morning willcooke
[07:59] <larsu> willcooke: s/early/late
[07:59] <larsu> :P
[07:59] <Trevinho> :)
[08:02] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:02] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:03] <willcooke> Trevinho, andyrock, hikiko -  I was thinking we should kick off the agile process next Monday, i.e. in the X cycle.  I'll send round a meeting invite
[08:03] <Trevinho> ok
[08:07] <willcooke> Trevinho, actually, we should probably finish what is already in progress on the board :)
[08:07] <willcooke> so maybe we take that work as "sprint 1"
[08:07] <larsu> AGILE!
[08:07] <Trevinho> yes, avoiding to add new stuff though
[08:07] <willcooke> Trevinho, yeah
[08:08] <willcooke> larsu, it's going to be a maze ing
[08:09] <davmor2> willcooke: or just a maze
[08:09] <willcooke> :)
[08:11] <Laney> HEY
[08:13] <pitti> hey Laney, good morning
[08:15] <Laney> hey pitti
[08:16] <Laney> how's it going?
[08:16] <pitti> Laney: quite alright, thanks (bit tired); how about you guys in the office?
[08:16] <Laney> don't see any fire yet
[08:16] <pitti> Laney: where are we between "release business as usual" and "OMGwealldie"?
[08:16] <pitti> oh, great
[08:16] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:16] <pitti> ... suspicious!
[08:16] <didrocks> morning Laney
[08:17] <Laney> it's probably working its way through from the underground now
[08:17] <Laney> hey seb128 et didrocks
[08:17] <seb128> Laney, do you think we can kill ubuntu-desktop-next from wily before release?
[08:17] <Laney> what's up
[08:17] <Laney> ok
[08:17] <Laney> is it officially deadsies?
[08:17] <pitti> Laney: half a year on this day I was desperately debugging plymouth shutdown stuff :)
[08:18] <seb128> seems like, and we didn't solve the issue that the binary screws grub configs
[08:18] <pitti> seb128: oha? snappification is the new thing?
[08:18] <seb128> need to confirm with willcooke, hold on
[08:18] <larsu> hi pitti Laney and Sweet5hark
[08:18] <seb128> pitti, ubuntu-desktop-next is snappy personal image
[08:18]  * larsu writes a "good morning" script
[08:18] <seb128> pitti, so no, that's just not being worked on atm and confuses users
[08:18] <Laney> ahoy larsu
[08:19] <larsu> Laney: office still standing?
[08:19] <Laney> no coffee machine!!!
[08:20] <larsu> pah!
[08:20] <seb128> again?!
[08:20]  * Laney riots
[08:20] <Laney> yeah, check the group dude
[08:20] <Laney> :P
[08:20] <larsu> I hope a telephone has been used and an engineer has been called
[08:20] <didrocks> waow, found a new bug with ppa: binary copy only including arch:all packages only publish on one architecture, not all…
[08:20] <seb128> that's outrageous
[08:20] <willcooke> sorry seb128, back from a poo emergency (babies, not mine)
[08:20] <seb128> lol
[08:23] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - right, so yes please, stop the builds now (if poss) and can you give me an indication of how much effort is involved in removing those images?  This is all less important than release work of course
[08:26] <seb128> willcooke, Laney, the thing is that if we want to stop those images we should remove the desktop-next binary from wily since it nukes grub configs and it would be good if it was out before some users installs it by error
[08:26] <Laney> go on then
[08:26] <Laney> delete the seeds too
[08:27] <seb128> do we need to delete the seed?
[08:27] <seb128> or can we just delete the binary and stop the cronjob
[08:27] <seb128> I guess we are going to want to resume those one day
[08:27] <seb128> so I would like to keep things in place as much as we can
[08:27] <Laney> why would you want to resume it?
[08:28] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - can we do it so that it can be switched on again easily if required
[08:28] <Laney> ...
[08:28] <willcooke> who knows
[08:28] <didrocks> seb128: +1
[08:28] <willcooke> which is the point
[08:28] <seb128> Laney, because I've been in that company for long enough that I would not dismiss the possibility that whoever ask for the change is going to ask us to undo it next cycle :p
[08:28] <willcooke> :D
[08:28] <willcooke> there ya go
[08:28] <Laney> it's you asking for the change
[08:28] <Laney> :)
[08:28] <seb128> lol
[08:28] <didrocks> s/possibility/probability/
[08:28] <seb128> don't shoot the messenger
[08:29] <seb128> ;-)
[08:30] <larsu> don't shoot anyone, please
[08:30] <seb128> yeah, dude, put that gun down
[08:30] <pitti> seb128: so want me to remove ubuntu-touch-meta?
[08:30] <pitti> (it's trivial to re-NEW it next cycle if need be)
[08:31] <pitti> err, sorry, we just need to nuke the binary
[08:31] <seb128> pitti, no, just ubuntu-desktop-next binary
[08:31] <pitti> i. e. we need an upload
[08:31] <seb128> the ubuntu-sdk binaries are still wanted
[08:31] <pitti> right
[08:31] <seb128> ubuntu-touch as well
[08:31] <seb128> pitti, can you do that one?
[08:32] <pitti> Laney: should be ok, right? the touch ones aren't on any image that you are preparing
[08:32] <seb128> also where do we stop the job that produces https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/ubuntu-desktop-next ?
[08:33] <pitti> Package: ubuntu-pocket-desktop
[08:33] <seb128> pitti, that we want to keep
[08:33] <pitti> seb128: ok
[08:33] <willcooke> yes, keep
[08:34] <seb128> it's the new seed for the new pocket desktop phones
[08:38] <davmor2> tseliot: any joy with the intel/prime/nvidia issue?
[08:38] <Laney> probably upload it to stop building the binary too
[08:38] <Laney> I turned off the cron jobs
[08:38] <tseliot> davmor2: yes, I have a workaround for it. Do you have a bug report for me?
[08:38] <pitti> Laney: yes, on it
[08:38] <seb128> Laney, pitti, thanks
[08:38] <Laney> and I guess I will move away the current isos
[08:38] <Laney> that seems most minimal
[08:38] <davmor2> tseliot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1507676
[08:39] <willcooke> pitti, Laney - thank you gents
[08:39]  * pitti bows, no prob
[08:39] <tseliot> davmor2: good, would you like a package for testing?
[08:39] <Laney> no worries
[08:39] <davmor2> tseliot: sure
[08:41] <pitti> W: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/wily/universe/binary-armhf/Packages.gz was corrupt
[08:41] <pitti> awesome
[08:41] <tseliot> davmor2: here you go: http://people.canonical.com/~amilone/ubuntu-drivers-common_0.4.11_amd64.deb
[08:41] <pitti> it already retried like 20 times
[08:43] <davmor2> brb
[08:46] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[08:47] <Laney> what of this xdg-utils stuff?
[08:47] <pitti> Laney: eek
[08:48] <pitti> the recommends and system-image stuff seem okay, but the build-deps aren't
[08:49] <Laney> pitti: which ones?
[08:49]  * Laney is just looking at xdg-utils atm
[08:49] <pitti> Laney: bug 1471476 and cmake-extras
[09:00] <Sweet5hark> seb128: just copied 4.4.6~rc2/vivid to the ppa. Should be SRUed next week, if there are no reported troubles.
[09:00] <seb128> Sweet5hark, good!
[09:02] <seb128> pitti, bah, looks like https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu/wily/apport/str_no_decoding/+merge/273076 was not good enough
[09:02] <seb128> pitti, we get those now https://launchpadlibrarian.net/221338064/HookError_source_ubiquity.txt
[09:02]  * seb128 hates python encoding issues
[09:02] <vila> hi there, hitting a wall while attempting to upgrade my laptop from 15.04 to 15.10, after several bugs: update-manager -d is hanging with a python traceback and after telling me my system is unstable and it will try dpkg-reconfigure -a : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12875541
[09:02] <seb128> vila, hi, try #ubuntu for user questions
[09:03] <vila> seb128: ack, thanks and sorry for the noise
[09:03] <seb128> vila, you can also try to sudo apt-get -f install
[09:03] <seb128> seems like your python3.4 is uninstalled
[09:03] <pitti> seb128: argh, so for post-processing when copying a .report to a different machine? so this does need a check to only decode if it's binary
[09:03] <seb128> or try to reinstall it
[09:04] <vila> seb128: ack, wasn't sure if some investigation of the mostly dead system could help
[09:04] <seb128> vila, unsure what you did, seems like you remove python3.4 or had an upgrade stopped in middle which let things buggy
[09:05] <vila> seb128: I only ran 'update-manager -d' the rest followed
[09:05] <seb128> vila, so maybe your machine was in a buggy state before you did that
[09:05] <vila> seb128: but got several apport runs for ofono, urfkill and nfs-common, most of them already known bugs
[09:06] <vila> seb128: well, it ran fine until then, but I got the idea ;)
[09:06] <pitti> vila: I saw your "me too" on bug 1476010, but this is still completey inexplicable/unreproducible for me
[09:06] <Sweet5hark> seb128: Python3 leads to encoding challenges, encoding challenges lead to surprising runtime aborts, Surprising runtime aborts lead to fear. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. I sense much Python3 in you.
[09:07] <vila> pitti: right, not sure why I have nfs-common to be honest (probably history), want me to comment further on the bug ? (Was planning to do so once the upgrade succeeded but... I'm not there ;)
[09:08] <pitti> vila: if you have a way to reproduce this (in a VM or so), that'd be most helpful; I tried a lot of different scenarios and they all worked..
[09:09] <vila> pitti: well, the only place I see that is in my laptop in its current state ;)
[09:09] <pitti> vila: to clarify, are you running systemd or upstart? (I strongly suspect systemd, but let's be sure)
[09:10] <vila> pitti: systemd as it became available
[09:10] <pitti> ok
[09:10] <seb128> Sweet5hark, lol
[09:10] <vila> pitti: I remember having to disable ofono while we were sprinting in... Orlando ?
[09:11] <pitti> vila: bug 1502536  is indeed similar, but I thought back then we had a different reason
[09:12] <vila> pitti: I ran into that one as well and subscribed
[09:12] <pitti> vila: they are effectively the same -- i. e. some situation that confuses invoke-rc.d
[09:12] <vila> pitti: and was planning on doing the 'apt-get install --reinstall ofono'
[09:12] <pitti> vila: does that still fail?
[09:12]  * pitti hopes that it does
[09:12] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ... or maybe python3 is just a conspiracy to make people write unittests and do fuzzing even on the smallest snipplet of python code.
[09:13] <pitti> vila: I need to debug it on a machine where it happens; the other reporters apparently already rebooted or something such
[09:13] <vila> pitti: haven't tried yet, was going to say: "Want me to collect something before I try 'apt-get -f install' ?
[09:13] <pitti> vila: I think the bugs already have initial logs; I'm interested in a set -x output of invoke-rc.d while it happens, but for that one needs to at least dpkg-reconfigure
[09:14] <Laney> seb128: can you check if https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=700507#c16 does fix that bug?
[09:14] <Laney> I didn't test it since you went away :(
[09:24] <seb128> Laney, sure, let me try to see if I can reproduce again, booting my test laptop
[09:25] <Laney> thanks
[09:25] <seb128> yw
[09:25] <Laney> I think it should be the same as the first patch
[10:33] <andyrock> good morning all
[10:47] <Pharmasolin> andyrock: hello
[10:49] <qengho> good morning
[10:51] <willcooke> morning qengho
[11:01] <pitti> willcooke, seb128: NBSed ubuntu-desktop-next
[11:01] <Laney> RIP
[11:01] <willcooke> Somebody should say a few words...
[11:27] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[11:35] <davmor2> DIE, DIE IN FIRE!!! willcooke is that what you had in mind?
[11:35] <willcooke> davmor2, ummmmm, not quite.  ;p
[11:36] <davmor2> willcooke: but without dying in fire it can't rise like the phoenix anew
[11:36] <willcooke> nice recovery
[11:37]  * davmor2 hides the rest of his aces up his sleeve for another day then
[12:11] <willcooke> Trevinho, did I see you had a Push Bullet indicator on your computer?  I have one, but it's not very good.  Wondering what you use, if anything
[12:49] <Laney> willcooke: what is eviacam?
[12:50] <willcooke> Laney, http://eviacam.sourceforge.net/index.php
[12:50] <willcooke> Laney, just being uploaded to Debian
[12:50] <Laney> oh right
[12:50] <Laney> this should happen more or less automatically :)
[12:50] <willcooke> nice!
[12:50] <willcooke> In to Universe right?
[12:51]  * qengho fears anything at sourceforge automatically uploaded to Debian.
[12:51] <willcooke> it's manually going in to Debian
[12:52] <willcooke> a man is making it happen, not a robot
[12:52] <Laney> indeed
[12:56] <Laney> otherwise https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[12:58]  * ogra_ already sees us being sued for all these neck injuries
[12:58] <ogra_> given we are in final freeze you most likely need to request a sync
[12:59] <Laney> it's not even there yet
[12:59] <willcooke> this is for 16.04 of course
[12:59] <ogra_> ah
[12:59] <willcooke> I'm not *that* stupid ;)
[13:00] <willcooke> nobody say ANYTHING
[13:00] <ogra_> whats stupid about that
[13:00] <ogra_> many syncs will still happen before final i guess :)
[13:00] <ogra_> people usually only remember the last week that they wanted something :)
[13:00] <willcooke> hah
[13:01] <ogra_> (indeed something that is *super* important and was *always* missing !!)
[13:01] <didrocks> ogra_: for decades
[13:01] <ogra_> yeah :)
[13:01] <willcooke> :D:D
[13:04] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1506502/comments/7
[13:04] <Laney> this guy's expression of happiness makes me laugh
[13:05] <willcooke> \o/
[13:06] <Trevinho> willcooke: it's probably the same you've. I don't think there are more than one version
[13:06] <willcooke> Trevinho, well, yours seemed to work.  My doesn't any more
[13:06] <seb128> Laney, happyaron, did we meant to add those to the iso? I though they were just supposed to be installed by language-selector for japanese installs?
[13:07] <Laney> they drop out if you don't pick them
[13:07] <Trevinho> willcooke: it stops time to time... Let me google for it
[13:07] <Laney> same as for chinese
[13:07] <willcooke> Trevinho, don't worry about it, no biggy
[13:07] <seb128> Laney, yeah, I was just concerned about iso size
[13:07] <Laney> don't make this guy sad
[13:07] <Laney> look how happy he is
[13:07] <seb128> lol
[13:07] <seb128> right :p
[13:07] <Trevinho> willcooke: this one http://www.atareao.es/ubuntu/enviar-archivos-desde-ubuntu-a-android-con-pushbullet/
[13:07] <Trevinho> but still it's buggy
[13:07] <willcooke> kk, thanks Trevinho
[13:09] <attente> hey
[13:09] <willcooke> morning attente
[13:09] <seb128> hey attente
[13:10] <attente> good morning!
[13:11] <Laney> hi attent!
[13:11] <Laney> e!
[13:11] <Laney> argh, a floating eye
[13:11] <attente> hi Laney!
[13:11] <Laney> #nethackjokes
[13:11] <Laney> attente: I did day 5 last night
[13:11] <Laney> it's getting tough now
[13:11] <Laney> how's it going?
[13:12] <attente> i missed day 7 yesterday D:
[13:13] <larsu> morning attente
[13:13] <attente> why's this u-c-c bug still happening...
[13:13] <attente> we have a new prime minister
[13:13] <larsu> who is it?
[13:13] <larsu> ontario or canada?
[13:14] <larsu> or was that the answer to "why's this u-c-c bug still happening..."
[13:14] <Laney> #blametrudeau
[13:16] <larsu> hash tags in irc ... we've come full circle
[13:16] <attente> the two are directly correlated
[13:16] <seb128> attente, one with a nice haircut I've been told!
[13:19] <attente> seb128: yep, that's the guy
[13:21] <dobey> Laney: i see that most of the commits to lp:whoopsie-preferences are from you. should i bug you about the code, or someone else?
[13:21] <Laney> try ev first
[13:21]  * Laney giggles like the dog in duck hunt
[13:21] <dobey> heh
[13:22] <Laney> I just fixed some stuff
[13:22] <Laney> so... can review if really necessary but I think ev or bdmurray would probably be more close to maintainers
[13:22] <dobey> i'm wondering why it's using POLKIT_CHECK_AUTHORIZATION_FLAGS_ALLOW_USER_INTERACTION when checking if the request is authorized
[13:23] <dobey> hmm, ok
[13:24] <Laney> probably bzr blame and find who wrote that :P
[13:25] <dobey> ahem
[13:25]  * Laney gets scared that it was him
[13:25] <dobey> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~daisy-pluckers/whoopsie-preferences/trunk/revision/48.1.2
[13:25] <didrocks> "dobey" :p
[13:25] <didrocks> (that would have been fun ;))
[13:25] <Laney> ah shit
[13:25] <didrocks> ahah
[13:25] <Laney> oh no
[13:25] <Laney> OH NO!
[13:25] <didrocks> that's not bad either :)
[13:25] <Laney> I JUST COMMITTED HIS
[13:26] <Laney> almost
[13:26] <didrocks> Laney: there is your seal though
[13:26] <didrocks> the committer id is important
[13:26] <didrocks> not the fact that you backported an upload commit ;)
[13:27] <Laney> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~daisy-pluckers/whoopsie-preferences/trunk/revision/47
[13:27] <dobey> the problem is that it blocks getting the device id
[13:27] <Laney> it got dropped accidentally and I rescued it
[13:27] <Laney> go ask ev
[13:28] <dobey> hmm, ok
[13:28] <Laney> that flag does mean that you can get blocked though
[13:29] <dobey> i know, that's why i'm asking about it :)
[13:33] <Laney> probably don't want to call this for getters, or something?
[14:11] <Trevinho> Mh, I've been given a friends' PC with trusty installed on it... Well, it can't log-in anymore. The password is right (if I su with his user in recovery mode and then I use sudo from there the pass gets accepted), but... if I both try to login from tty1 or from the greeter, it fails after some time (with no error, just a new prompt in tty1)
[14:13] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: perhaps check permissions on /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd
[14:13] <Trevinho> auth.log at the end has lots of ^@..
[14:13] <mdeslaur> Trevinho: and permissions on /home/username
[14:14] <qengho> NUL chars sounds like disk corruption too.
[14:14] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: ok thanks, checking
[14:14] <qengho> Trevinho: as root, create a new user. Try to log in. If that succeeds or fails, it bisects it nicely.
[14:15] <mdeslaur> hrm, yeah, odd log
[14:16] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: shadow: -rw-r----- owned by root and shadow group. passwd -rw-r--r-- root, root
[14:17] <qengho> Looks fine.
[14:17] <Trevinho> mdeslaur: home is owned by right user and drwxr-xr-x so all seems fine
[14:17] <mdeslaur> ok, so that's not it
[14:17] <qengho> Something screwy with PAM, perhaps?
[14:19] <Trevinho> qengho: mh I don't know auth.log seems fine
[14:20] <Trevinho> qengho: is doing sudo from recovery mode works, though (using password); but not sure it's the same thing
[14:20] <Trevinho> i.e. recovery mode -> su user,; sudo echo foo; ...
[14:22]  * Trevinho checks with debsums
[14:22] <qengho> Trevinho: sudo loads many pam libraries in common with login, but follows a few different paths. Test log in with a new user.
[14:22] <Trevinho> ah, guest mode works BTWQ
[14:22] <Trevinho> qengho: just using adduser or is there anything better?
[14:22] <qengho> Just adduser.
[14:24] <qengho> Trevinho: "No error, just a new prompt". That's suspicious. I think it's succeeding, but you're logging out immediately. Move ~friend shell init scripts aside. I bet there's a "set -e" or "exit" or something in there.
[14:25] <Trevinho> yes, i was thinking to something liek that
[14:25] <Trevinho> but it takes a lot of time to do that, so maybe it doesn't succeed
[14:26] <Trevinho> qengho: for example, lightdm doesn't even stop spinning
[14:26] <Trevinho> qengho: new user doesn't work either...
[14:27] <Trevinho> I should probably use debsums to see if anything got corrupted...
[14:27] <Trevinho> any other advice? as auth.log doesn't say much
[14:28] <qengho> Trevinho: Ooo! Interesting. It sounds like some PAM-specific network timeout. Like, Friend tried to auth to some DNIS or RADIUS or Kerberos server that doesn't really exist any more.
[14:28] <qengho> +1 debsums.
[14:28] <Trevinho> Mh, not really... the setup was pretty standard. He's not a teachy person... SO he just ran ubuntu and updated regularely
[14:29] <qengho> Still, eyeball "dpkg -l libpam\*".
[14:30] <qengho> Trevinho: And some "apt-get install --reinstall ...." might be a good idea.
[14:30] <Trevinho> qengho: most of them are installed, I'd say the important ones are
[14:31] <qengho> Trevinho: I'm worried about more being in that list than you would expect.
[14:31] <Trevinho> ah
[14:31] <Trevinho> in auth.log tehre was somethiung about kwallet missing, but isn't that check default?
[14:33] <qengho> kwallet isn't important here.
[14:34] <qengho> Sorry for spamming the channel, folks.
[14:39] <Trevinho> qengho: so... some errors in auth.log include pam_winbind ... get password ... returned a password .. . and finally "internal module error (retval = PAM_AUTHINFO_UNAVAIL)
[14:39] <seb128> GRRRRR
[14:40] <seb128> Laney, ok, I give up on that nautilus smb thing, I just wasted 3 hours trying to get samba crap to work and it doesn't
[14:40] <Laney> bah
[14:40] <seb128> I can't reproduce it
[14:40] <Laney> you have the right nautilus yes?
[14:40] <didrocks> :/
[14:40] <seb128> yes
[14:40] <Laney> sucks
[14:40] <Laney> thanks for trying hard!
[14:40] <seb128> I can't get f**** nautilus to list workgroup content at all
[14:41] <seb128> I get access denied
[14:41] <seb128> it seems like an empty netbios name leads to issues to browse
[14:41] <seb128> I guess you need to be in an environment with a group controler
[14:41] <seb128> so the buggy machine isn't what creates the group
[14:41] <seb128> I tried to do that but then it only list my machine and not the buggy one
[14:42] <Laney> :/
[14:42] <Laney> I'll just commit this as it is
[14:53] <seb128> thanks
[14:54] <seb128> going for some exercice before exploding the laptop against the wall
[14:54]  * seb128 really annoy
[14:54] <seb128> it's blue sky outside and I wanted to go for some exercice and now I'm stucked because of the meeting in 35 min grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[14:54] <seb128> anyway
[14:54] <seb128> going for half an hour at least
[14:54] <didrocks> enjoy seb128 :)
[14:54] <didrocks> take some fresh air
[14:54] <seb128> see you for the meeting, might be some minutes lates
[14:54] <seb128> yeah, I really need it
[14:55] <seb128> hate smb and meetings :p
[14:59] <xclaesse> Just upgraded to 15.10, is it me or mouse acceleration changed?
[15:16] <qengho> Trevinho: did you follow that "winbind" and "unavailable" error anywhere? That sounded suspicious. Consider removing that pam module.
[15:17] <qengho> Trevinho: also fits my network-timeout hypothesis as to cause of the delay before next prompt.
[15:18] <Trevinho> mh,yeah
[15:30] <willcooke> urgh, meeting time already
[15:30] <willcooke> one zsec
[15:30] <willcooke> sec
[15:30]  * larsu hums the meeting tune
[15:31] <didrocks> everything is z<something> now
[15:31] <didrocks> it's all due to Laney!
[15:31] <Laney> zzzzzzZzzzzZZzzzZZzzz
[15:31] <Laney> zleepy, you are feeling zleepy
[15:31] <larsu> it's all due to hermann
[15:32] <larsu> Laney: going this week btw?
[15:32] <Laney> good idea
[15:32] <willcooke> #startmeeting Ubuntu Desktop Team Meeting - 2015-10-20
[15:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 20 15:32:42 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:32] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:32] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, fjkong, happyaron, hikiko (out), laney, larsu, qengho, seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:32] <qengho> Dang.
[15:32] <FJKong> Duang
[15:33]  * larsu rolls
[15:33]  * didrocks calls
[15:33] <andyrock> \o
[15:33] <dgadomski_> o/
[15:34] <Sweet5hark> o/
[15:34] <desrt> hihi
[15:34] <willcooke> ok, so I don't suppose many people have an update other than "went to a sprint".  So I think it would be better if we use this time to see if anyone needs anything before the release
[15:35] <willcooke> If you have bullet points ready, then please paste, if you have release issues, please ask during your go
[15:35] <willcooke> let's gooooooooo
[15:35] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:35] <seb128> (back, sorry some minutes late)
[15:35] <andyrock> hey
[15:36] <andyrock> * syncing some branches with trunk
[15:36] <andyrock> * try to reproduce some bug that has been reported about corrupted desktop files and leak in unity
[15:36] <andyrock> * redoing my gmail filters for launchpad
[15:37] <andyrock> * finishing up the branches to properly handle reboot dialog in unity
[15:37] <andyrock> eof
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:37] <willcooke> Need anything for release?
[15:37] <andyrock> nope
[15:37] <willcooke> coolio
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:38] <andyrock> an ubuntu mug to celebrate
[15:38] <andyrock> :D
[15:38] <attente> hi hi
[15:38] <attente> filed https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756579, revisions in progress
[15:38] <attente> support some phone-specific pixel formats in gtk-mir
[15:38] <attente> fixed gtk-mir crashing on touch input, to do: add better support for touch input in general
[15:38] <attente> (eof)
[15:38] <desrt> attente: need any help on the popup positioning bug?
[15:39] <desrt> (good work there, btw)
[15:39] <attente> not right now, i want to focus on making the requested revisions right now
[15:39] <desrt> ok
[15:39] <attente> but thanks!
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks attente, anything needed for release?
[15:39] <larsu> attente: phone has different pixel formats than the desktop?
[15:39] <desrt> thanks for doing it.  that has been needed for a long time :)
[15:40] <attente> nothing for release
[15:40] <attente> larsu: yeah, the phone seems to desire ABGR instead of ARGB (or vice versa, i can't remember)
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:41] <larsu> attente: hilarious
[15:41] <desrt> - on eurotime for the next two weeks
[15:41] <desrt> - went to a sprint
[15:41] <desrt> - glib release
[15:41] <desrt> - wrote support for runtime profiles (read: pam modules) modules for dconf
[15:41] <desrt> - bugs
[15:41] <desrt> (eof)
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks desrt, all good for release?
[15:41] <desrt> nothing from me
[15:41] <willcooke> thx
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:41] <dgadomski> hey, I hope you all had a nice and productive sprint :)
[15:41] <willcooke> we missed you :)
[15:42] <dgadomski> I hope I will make it the next time
[15:42] <dgadomski> * recently I was investigating a polkit issue in relation with pam_vas, got verbose logs this morning. Will prepare a lp bug describing this after analyzing it
[15:42] <dgadomski> * in the meantime I got more feedback regarding hotfix for bug #1337873, going to prepare a debdiff for SRU
[15:42] <dgadomski> EOF, thanks
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:43] <didrocks> ubuntu make:
[15:43] <didrocks> - new release (15.10), various framework fix described in previous team meeting.
[15:43] <didrocks> - add functionality to export command variables on docker tests + small test fix.
[15:43] <didrocks> - gave a way to test external contributor branch through our jenkins infra (pep8, small, large).
[15:43] <didrocks> - get some back and force with contributors. 2 new external PR will be in next release!
[15:43] <didrocks> misc:
[15:43] <didrocks> - fix a couple of crashers in add-apt-repository when adding wrong args.
[15:43] <didrocks> - gconf fix for ugprade issue introduced when porting to python3.
[15:43] <didrocks> - git bisecting for intel card plug in/plug out issue. Found the commit and robert did backport the fix!
[15:43] <didrocks> - python 3.4.3 over LTS regresssion tests and continuated discussion on the fix. Now fully done, phew!
[15:43] <didrocks> - help the community team with some script and cross-build env issues during the sprint.
[15:43] <didrocks> nothing for release :)
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks didrocks
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic FJKong
[15:44] <FJKong> pinyinsearch code update, fix icon problem with help of androck
[15:44] <FJKong> sogou input method, working on apng now
[15:45] <FJKong> pinyin search code still need review
[15:47] <willcooke> FJKong, eof?
[15:47] <FJKong> yes
[15:47] <FJKong> eof..
[15:47] <willcooke> FJKong, all ok for release?
[15:47] <FJKong> willcooke: I am not sure if pinyin search can go into release
[15:48] <willcooke> FJKong, we can at least get it in the archive and ask for testing
[15:48] <willcooke> sorry, that was a question
[15:48] <willcooke> can we.... ?
[15:49] <FJKong> willcooke: that's will be fine
[15:49] <willcooke> cool
[15:49] <willcooke> thx
[15:49] <willcooke> #topic happyaron
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:50] <willcooke> oops, sorry Laney - will come to you next
[15:51] <larsu> ts ts ts
[15:51] <larsu> can't go without Laney
[15:51] <larsu> * was at a sprint
[15:51] <larsu> * not very productive since then (shaking the cold!)
[15:51] <larsu> * need a beer before release
[15:51] <Laney> winning?
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[15:51] <willcooke> :)
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[15:51] <larsu> Laney: ya
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:51] <Laney> currywurst saves all
[15:51] <Laney> hi I didn't write a nice update this time sorry :(
[15:52] <larsu> Laney: not the vegans, alas
[15:52] <Laney> I was at the sprint and fixed some stuff, mainly random crashers
[15:52] <Laney> and also did some improvements to the sponsor queue which made lots of old merge proposals we missed over time come up
[15:52] <Laney> this makes me feel bad :(
[15:52] <Laney> it also made the queue crash for a week which dholbach noticed today, that also makes me feel bad
[15:52]  * seb128 hugs Laney
[15:53] <Laney> BUT i fixed it and pitti helped out!
[15:53] <larsu> grouphug!
[15:53]  * Sweet5hark grouphugs as advised.
[15:53]  * pitti hugs everyone
[15:53] <larsu> meetingology: grouphug!
[15:53] <meetingology> larsu: Error: "grouphug!" is not a valid command.
[15:53] <larsu> pfffffffffff
[15:53] <andyrock> :bear:
[15:53] <Laney> and this week we're fixing random bugs again, nothing really bad seems to hav ehe happened yet
[15:53] <pitti> Laney: shhht, don't say it that loud :)
[15:53] <Laney> (sorry my network blipped in the middle of that one)
[15:54] <seb128> that's because you were not supposed to say it :p
[15:54] <Laney> just pushed that nautilus fix to not crash when browsing some samba stuff
[15:54] <Laney> probably will SRU it
[15:54] <Laney> another respin coming today!
[15:54] <Laney> and jibel pointed this out earlier: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers
[15:54] <Laney> i.e. more people should test isos :)
[15:55] <Laney> no desktop team in there
[15:55] <Laney> that is all
[15:55] <seb128> I'm testing, just not bothering with paperwork
[15:55] <Laney> reporting bugs in the iso tracker is good
[15:55] <seb128> well, I do file bugs and fix things I hit, fixed an ubiquity issue yesterday
[15:55] <Laney> people here actually look at those
[15:55] <seb128> but point taken
[15:55] <Laney> it just makes the little bug icon appear there
[15:55] <seb128> right, I just need to learn how to use that site again
[15:55] <Laney> oh there's some polkit thing which cyphermox is looking at now too
[15:56]  * Laney would have to learn too
[15:56] <willcooke> Laney, how does one become an ISO tester?
[15:56] <Laney> ⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡
[15:56] <desrt> bzzt
[15:56] <larsu> download iso, test it
[15:56] <Laney> think anyone can?
[15:57] <Laney> what happens if you log in to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ ?
[15:57] <willcooke> Registration successful. You are now logged in.
[15:57] <willcooke> :)
[15:57] <willcooke> ok, I'll read that page
[15:57] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:58] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:58] <Laney> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/347/builds/104948/testcases/1301/results
[15:58] <Laney> if you see the form there it should work for you
[15:59] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:59] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Walkthrough
[16:00]  * willcooke downloads the iso
[16:01] <qengho> - Cr 46.0.2490.71 progressing. Drops some translations. Constructing diffs from Launchpad to re-fill.
[16:01] <qengho> - Firefox release dry-run. Not too bad. I'll try to take up pre-release builds soon.
[16:01] <qengho> - Firefox NPAPI and (separate) Flash Player end-of-life during 16.04 support chatter.
[16:01] <qengho> EOF
[16:01] <willcooke> thanks qengho
[16:01] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[16:02] <seb128> had a great and productive week in London, we should do that more often!
[16:02] <seb128> • tested wily desktop/isos
[16:02] <seb128> • lot of launchpad bugs/e.u.c reviews and fixing (hexchat, evolution apturl, gnome-bluetooth, language-selector, gvfs, ...)
[16:02] <seb128> • landed notify-osd icon mute icons
[16:02] <seb128> • updated translations for packages not using langpacks
[16:02] <seb128> • quite some samba testing frustration, hating unreliable old techs...
[16:02] <seb128> • nothing on my list left for wily, next catching up on phone work (settings mostly) and started merges/updates work for x-serie
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[16:03] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[16:03] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> - see blueprint: some docviwer, MIR-or-die and release branch discussions, killed gconf upstream
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> - ported unity menu integration to gtk3 backend for LibreOffice 5.1/x-series
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> - some crasher triage for 5.0/trusty
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> - upstream code review
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> - bumped LibreOffice 4.4.6/vivid to the ppa
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> - usual calls: approving TDF budgets for another quarter, ESC call ...
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> - Hamburg Hackfest preps, coordinating later Hackfest dates, 2. Open IT Summit (Berlin) preps
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> - no wily release blockers that Im aware of.
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> EOF
[16:03] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> and yes: London sprint was awesome
[16:03] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[16:04] <willcooke> * Continued accessibility profile work for 16.04, spending most time on implementing a GSettings backend for Orca, and drafting out API/functionality implementation details.
[16:04] <willcooke> * Spent a little bit of time fixing packages in universe that FTBFS, mostly speech related, and network-manager-openvpn which I do use on occasion.
[16:04] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[16:04] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Added mode to cups-browsed which creates local print queues with IP addresses instead of host names, as the phone has local host name resolving problems, most probably as avahi-daemon is not permanently running.
[16:04] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Worked on functionality for cups-browsed to save user-cvhanged options settings on the queues which it generated, so that the options get conserved, when cups-browsed takes down these queues when the remote printers disappear and re-creates them when they re-appear.
[16:04] <tkamppeter> - Ubuntu Touch: Discussed problems with printing on the phone: avahi-daemon running on-demand needed, sub-processes from cupsd fail with "command not found".
[16:04] <tkamppeter> - Bugs? - Not this time, nothing severe enough to rush into the release.
[16:04] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[16:04] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Fixed a memory leak in unity-panel-service (when creating dropdown menu entries)
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Done reviews to seb128 u-s-d branches
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Some fixes in the compiz selective-grabs branches
[16:05] <Trevinho> · New unity (indicator-session) trusty SRU
[16:05] <Trevinho> · Compiz pointer size/theme update support
[16:05] <Trevinho> · CSD shadows on gtk windows with headerbar
[16:05] <Trevinho> 
[16:05] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[16:05] <Trevinho> Ah, and new compiz /unity landing :P
[16:05] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[16:05] <willcooke> - Fix release issues
[16:06] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[16:06] <willcooke> Thanks everyone for the updates.
[16:06] <willcooke> I think we should wrap now, unless anyone has any more topics
[16:07] <larsu> thanks!
[16:07] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:07] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 20 16:07:19 2015 UTC.
[16:07] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-10-20-15.32.moin.txt
[16:07] <seb128> shape to be a good release, good work everyone!
[16:07] <desrt> thanks willcooke
[16:08] <didrocks> thanks guys!
[16:20] <didrocks> have a good evening guys!
[16:20] <ricotz> big thanks!
[16:40] <andyrock> have a good evening all!
[16:41] <willcooke> cheers andyrock
[17:09] <willcooke> getting some dinner, then back to see if the ISO has finished downloading for testing....
[17:21] <Laney> can haz critical bug fix
[17:21] <Laney> TTYL!
[18:45] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: Hey dude query on LO why is it that impress and calc open full screen close in the indicator bar, but Writer opens just short?
[18:59]  * willcooke <--- number 14
[18:59] <willcooke> I'm going to get to top 10 and then call it a day
[19:02] <davmor2> willcooke: pfff I was still number 3 and I hadn't done any testing for like 5 years ;)
[19:02] <willcooke> :)
[19:03] <davmor2> willcooke: back in the dapper drake days when I started iso testing ..........
[19:03] <willcooke> bloody window focus
[19:07] <willcooke> davmor2, how do I get to the screen where I should press f6?  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/347/builds/104948/testcases/1307/results
[19:07] <willcooke> step 3
[19:07] <willcooke> Do I need to download the "alternate installer" iso?
[19:07] <willcooke> I remember that screen from the old days, but I don't see it in the gui installer
[19:09] <davmor2> willcooke: when the keyboard symbol appears tap any key, only works on non-uefi installs
[19:09] <willcooke> ahhhhhhhhh
[19:10] <willcooke> non-uefi is the key
[19:11] <davmor2> willcooke: UEFI has a much more limited set of options
[19:12] <Sweet5hark> davmor2: huh? please elaborate
[19:14] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: fire up a fresh install of 15.10,  click on writer in the launcher and it doesn't open full screen with the title bar in the indicator bar at the top of the screen, however if you open impress or calc it does
[19:15] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: give me 2 seconds
[19:17] <Sweet5hark> davmor2: If its about the window being fullscreen or not when started from the dash: that seems to be whatever the window was sized when the app was locked to the dash (at least thats how it is for me).
[19:19] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/desktop-screenshots/calc.png http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/desktop-screenshots/writer.png
[19:22] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: so calc and impress have the one behaviour and writer has the other,  this is on the xps13 not sure if that should make a difference and scaling is set to 2 also again incase that makes a difference
[19:22] <Sweet5hark> davmor2: Hmmm, a/ you dont have "libreoffice-style-human" installed? b/ You seem to have libreoffice-gtk3 installed?
[19:23] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: this is a fresh install of 15.10 so it looks like something got screwed
[19:23] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: I'm glad I asked the one question now :)
[19:24] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: let me see if it is the same on this system
[19:25] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: hmm not the same on this system
[19:25] <Sweet5hark> davmor2: As for the fullscreen thing, I dont think that is something that LibreOffice does itself. But the gtk3 and theme thing would be ... unfortunate.
[19:27] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: so the xps is the same across the board all gtk, this system is all human :(  I wonder if the scaling is the contributing factor here?
[19:27] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: let me try setting scalling here
[19:28] <willcooke> right, calling it a day
[19:28] <willcooke> gnight all
[19:29] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: it is the scaling,  If I open settings→Screen display and set scaling to 2 it changes to the gtk3 theme here too
[19:30] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: I'll write a bug up for it
[19:35] <davmor2> Sweet5hark: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1508177  I set it against gtk3
[19:38] <davmor2> jibel: ^ just stumbled across this testing the desktop apps
[20:04]  * Sweet5hark downloads the ISO.
[20:07] <ochosi> evening Sweet5hark, still working? :)
[20:12] <Sweet5hark> ochosi: yeah :/
[20:12] <ochosi> wowza
[20:13] <ochosi> i'm just "slacking off" contributing to my favorite projects ;)
[20:24] <qengho> return -ETOO_TIRED