[02:53] <lotuspsychje> anyone received ota7 on bq yet?
[02:56] <samsungs5> Hey guys.
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> morning samsungs5
[03:00] <samsungs5> I am trying to port Ubuntu on my S5. :)
[03:00] <samsungs5> morning too
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-updated-to-help-you-build-and-design-apps-for-ubuntu-phones-494862.shtml
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> samsungs5: have you checked the XDA forums for existing projects?
[03:02] <samsungs5> I checked but I couldn't find anything useful.
[06:00] <dholbach> good morning
[06:17] <lotuspsychje_> dholbach: morning mate
[06:17] <dholbach> hi lotuspsychje_
[06:19] <lotuspsychje_> anyone got ota7 yet?
[06:19] <lotuspsychje_> still nothing on my bq
[06:27] <zzarr> what have you done to my phone? where's the loading times? where's the lag?
[06:32] <mokmeister> yeah, nothing for my nexus or bq
[06:32] <mokmeister> anybody here have experience with wickr or know if it will make an appearance on ubuntu-touch?
[08:37] <mcphail> Has anyone who was affected by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1480877 noticed an improvement on OTA-7? I'm still seeing some dbus-related spikes, but it seems much better so far. Certainly less lag than I have come to expect at my desk in a "noisy" wifi environment
[09:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Brandied Fruit Day! 😃  🍒
[09:36] <pancake> hi
[09:36] <pancake> is there a way to use the ubuntu touch device without pin?
[09:37] <mcphail> pancake: Don't you only need a PIN if you have developer mode activated?
[09:37] <pancake> i want to use ssh, terminal without pass (local terminal without login) and ssh via pubkey, and no lockscreen pin
[09:37] <pancake> its a bit anoying to have to type the 4pin key all the time
[09:37] <pancake> and its insecure to have 4 length numeric passwords
[09:37] <pancake> and i mainly use this phone for toying with the shell
[09:40] <mcphail> pancake: If you unset the PIN, you can access the terminal by just pressing the "enter" key
[09:40] <mcphail> ...at the prompt
[09:40] <mcphail> and you can ssh from it
[09:43] <pancake> can i ssh to it without pin?
[09:43] <mcphail> pancake: aah - ssh _to_ it? That I don't know. I though you meant ssh from it
[09:44] <pancake> yeah :/
[09:59] <davmor2> pancake: you can possibly set up authorized key the same as you would on server
[10:01] <davmor2> pancake: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[10:02] <pancake> ok will try
[10:02] <davmor2> pancake: also I believe you can use phablet shell over ssh too which will do the key sync for you
[10:19] <JamesTait> Is OTA-7 going to be released to ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en for mako?
[10:19]  * JamesTait switched to ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu to get the OTA, but now apaprently has no location services.
[10:20] <pancake> setting up ssh should be simpler
[10:20] <pancake> adb is not working and importing an ssh pubkey should be done from the ui
[10:21] <ogra_> pancake, i guess patches to the developer mode page in the system-settings app would be happily accepted ;)
[10:21] <davmor2> JamesTait: I think there is a pretty comprehensive answer to that on the mailing list ;)
[10:21] <bneo99> I'm trying to port Ubuntu Touch to my device which is running CM 11, any experienced port-ers here that can help me? My device is Samsung Galaxy S2 I9100G
[10:22]  * JamesTait facepalms.
[10:22] <pancake> is there any plan to support firefox or fxos apps in ubuntutouch?
[10:22] <JamesTait> davmor2, I filter the mailing list into a separate folder to keep my Inbox clear, and haven't looked there yet.
[10:23] <davmor2> JamesTait: D'oh!
[10:23] <JamesTait> davmor2, so it's all your fault? 😉
[10:24] <ogra_> if you have your pub ssh key stored on launchpad (or any other website) youo can just wget it to put it in place
[10:24] <ogra_> (i'm not sure sudo will work without pin btw)
[10:27] <popey> pancake: tricky as some ffos apps hook into ffos directly, so need some work to port. No plans I know of to port them.
[10:27] <popey> pancake: I've "ported" a couple of apps from ffos to Ubuntu though, they didn't have many ffos specific bits
[10:28] <pancake> yeah, most of non-system-apps should be easy to port
[10:29] <ogra_> webapps are generally very easy, yeah (weather they are loacl or remote :) )
[10:29] <popey> dholbach: when you get a moment, I uploaded a new file manager to the store, could you review it pls? https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/159/review/seq/36/
[10:29] <dholbach> yep
[10:29] <popey> ta
[10:31] <popey> Be interesting to see how many people update file manager.
[10:31] <popey> Given it's got something like 17K users.
[10:32] <ogra_> popey, is that the one with smbfs ?
[10:32] <popey> yes
[10:32]  * ogra_ waits for sshfs :)
[10:33] <popey> I just connected to my nas, and copy/pasted a chunk of music over
[10:33] <popey> "patches welcome"
[10:33] <ogra_> haha
[10:33]  * ogra_ will trade time for patches :)
[10:44] <popey> dholbach: thank you!
[10:45] <dholbach> anytime
[10:47] <davmor2> popey: wow more impressive is it works better than nautilus detecting it :)
[10:49] <Mirv> popey: davmor2: are either of you part of en_GB translators group in LP? if so, please accept the translations at https://translations.launchpad.net/day-scope/trunk/+pots/day/en_GB/+translate for JamesTait / john-mcaleely
[10:49] <Mirv> I can only accept fi translations
[10:49] <davmor2> Mirv: I am not but popey  might be
[10:50] <Mirv> I got the moon phases fixed for Finnish in OTA-7
[10:50] <popey> i am
[10:51] <Guest42341> new file manager icon <3
[10:52] <davmor2> popey: meh so I can't view a photo on the samba fs :( this makes me sad ;)
[10:52] <Mirv> I'm not sure now how that works, is it that en_US people still have thewordswrittentogetherversionsofthestrings
[10:52] <Mirv> since that's some sort of "gotten directly from service xyz", instead of having proper English strings to translate
[10:52] <popey> Mirv: done
[10:52] <Mirv> popey: thanks!
[10:53] <john-mcaleely> thank you!
[11:18]  * ogra_ sighs, only native apps to update today ... megabytes !!!
[11:19] <davmor2> ogra_: well you haven't updated any of your apps is the problem :P
[11:20] <ogra_> well, webapp updates are usually in the kilobytes area :)
[11:20] <popey> contentless updates usually are
[11:23] <ogra_> popey, hmm
[11:23] <ogra_> do i need unlocked access to see the shares on machines ?
[11:24] <davmor2> ogra_: apparently not
[11:24]  * ogra_ sees his NAS and a few samba enabled PCs in his LAN but nothing lists shares when clickin it 
[11:30] <ogra_> hmm, it works if i "go to" and use the IP with the smb:// protocol
[11:31] <mcphail> we have smb:// now?
[11:31] <ogra_> yep
[11:31] <mcphail> :)
[11:31] <mcphail> nice
[11:32] <mcphail> I owe someone a virtual pint for that one
[11:32] <popey> Carlos & Arto
[11:32] <popey> Carlos did the bulk of the work on that.
[11:32] <popey> You will have to fly to South America tho.
[11:32] <mcphail> Pass on my thanks and offer of alcoholic refreshement :)
[11:32] <popey> oh, CarlosMazieri is in channel :)
[11:33] <ogra_> hmm, so for my .ts files there is no application installed ... for the .ogg files i get music app offered but it fails with an error to open the file
[11:33] <ogra_> "Failed to move the file"
[11:34] <mcphail> I'll be in Guyana soon, but not "proper" south america, unfortunately
[11:36] <ogra_> hmm and tappin on pictures opens gallery but doesnt do anything else (not importing the pic)
[11:37] <popey> Bugs welcome.
[11:38] <ogra_> well, not sure against what .-.. technically i think thats content hub ... it should not accept the smb:// location for apps that cant handle it
[11:38] <popey> maybe we should copy files over then send them via content-hub
[11:38] <popey> so we do the copy
[11:38] <ogra_> practically we could just have kept content sharing off until tere are actually apps that can handle it
[11:38] <popey> mcphail: saw this and thought of you for some reason http://codebabies.com/product/c-for-kids
[11:39] <ogra_> popey, well, i wouldnt want to accidentially tap on a HD Tv recording then ... and have it sync 4GB or some such
[11:39] <popey> yeah
[11:40] <popey> I have been manually copy/pasting stuf over then opening it
[11:40] <ogra_> yeah, that works fine
[11:40] <ogra_> and if more apps learn about smb:// it will be fine too
[11:40] <ogra_> so you can have the app copy it after you had the dialog
[11:41] <ogra_> or have content-hub do the copy ... that would have the advantage that you only need to implement it in one place
[11:41] <mcphail> popey: I prefer to teach my kids machine code, directly in binary :)
[11:41] <popey> heh :)
[11:43] <davmor2> mcphail: and you wonder why they prefer to go out and play ;)
[11:43] <popey> when you unlock the chains, sure
[11:44] <mcphail> is "void main()" allowed in C++?
[11:44] <mcphail> popey: I unlock the chains to let them get up the chimneys
[11:53] <matv1> oSoMon about https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1505220
[11:54] <matv1> I deliberately didnt do OTA7 yet.
[11:54] <matv1> should I hold off you think?
[11:56] <matv1> oSoMoN i meant to say
[11:58] <oSoMoN> matv1, not sure that would make a difference, if you don’t mind holding off a bit more, I’ll take a closer look at the crash file
[11:59] <matv1> oSoMoN no problem at all. As luck would have it, I smashed my screen the other day(after the bug appeared i should add))
[12:00] <matv1> so its no longer usable as my daily driver
[12:03] <davmor2> mcphail: so you only run MenuetOS on your kids computers right ;)
[12:05] <mcphail> davmor2: nah - I'm kind to them and keep it 8-bit only. Far less typing those 1's and 0's if you're hacking on a Z80
[12:11] <mcphail> Does the "Checking for updates" screen only function on WiFi? It always seems to spin endlessly on 3G
[12:17] <oSoMoN> matv1, ouch :/
[12:22] <matv1> oSoMoN yeah. bad luck :( I still have a nexus4 though which I now run on stable channel.
[13:16] <mterry> oSoMoN, heyo -- I was dogfooding webbrowser-app, as you may have noticed.  But recently, on my wily+overlay devel machine, webbrowser-app is crashing on startup.   I suspect wily+overlay is not a supported environment, but thought I'd let you know anyway
[13:19] <oSoMoN> mterry, thanks, that’s useful info, can you get a crash file and file a bug with it?
[13:20] <mterry> oSoMoN, ok
[13:23] <binar> Hi, I am trying to port ubuntu-touch onto klte (samsung galaxy s5). Recovery works fine, but after using rootstock-touch-install, booting in normal mode just shows the bootscreen and after some time, the smartphone vibrates two times and reboots. How can I find out what's going wrong (there is no /proc/last_kmsg)?
[13:30] <kenvandine> jgdx, i think i have a fix for the connectivity issue in the updates panel
[13:31] <jgdx> kenvandine, nice. I have a fix for the sound stuff
[13:31] <kenvandine> woot
[13:31] <jgdx> … brewing
[13:31] <jgdx> do you accept a small refactor?
[13:32] <binar> the porting howto suggests to add kernel boot arguments, but where to put them?
[13:33] <kenvandine> jgdx, if it fixes it, sure
[13:39] <seb128> jgdx, what's the sound issue?
[13:47] <Elleo> kenvandine: do you know much about gensymbols stuff in debian packages? I need to update the symbols in UDM to reflect some API changes but it's not something I've played with in the past, so if you have any pointers it'd be a big help
[13:48] <kenvandine> Elleo, sure...
[13:48] <kenvandine> Elleo, the symbols file should get generated during package build, but it doesn't replace the existing one
[13:48] <kenvandine> so you can diff them
[13:49] <kenvandine> look for a file named symbols under the build dir
[13:49] <Elleo> ah, great, thanks
[13:49] <kenvandine> debian/tmp/DEBIAN
[13:49] <kenvandine> something like that
[13:49] <Elleo> yep, got it
[13:50] <jgdx> seb128, wip, but I'm looking at [1] and I'm trying to make sense of that change. In r1544 I see references to the removed silentMode variable. [1] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~system-settings-touch/ubuntu-system-settings/trunk/revision/1540
[13:50] <kenvandine> if it looks sane, you can just copy it over the one in your package
[13:50] <Elleo> kenvandine: it does not look sane :/
[13:51] <kenvandine> haha
[13:51] <Elleo> kenvandine: old symbols are all in the format "(c++)"Ubuntu::Transfers::Errors::AuthErrorStruct::AuthErrorStruct(Ubuntu::Transfers::Errors::AuthErrorStruct const&)@Base" 0.4+14.10.20140618" whereas new ones are "_ZN6Ubuntu9Transfers6Errors15AuthErrorStructC1ENS2_4TypeERK7QString@Base 1.0+15.10.20150724"
[13:53] <kenvandine> maybe i'm remembering wrong...
[13:53] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^ advice for Elleo?
[13:53] <kenvandine> my c++ symbol foo must be rusty :)
[13:53] <kenvandine> maybe there is other files
[13:54] <jgdx> seb128, that's actually the cause of the autopilot test * failure as well. * ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_sound.SoundTestCase.test_silent_mode_sound_switch
[13:54] <kenvandine> Elleo, yo can also run dpkg-gensymbols
[13:54] <kenvandine> in the build dir
[13:54] <kenvandine> don't recall the args for it
[13:54] <Elleo> kenvandine: yeah, tried that and got the same sort of output as the symbols file
[13:55] <kenvandine> but you specify a few args to point to the build dir and the library name
[13:55] <kenvandine> oh...
[13:55] <seb128> jgdx, we shouldn't have silent mode, I guess tests need to be updated
[13:56] <jgdx> seb128, ?
[13:56] <seb128> kenvandine, Elleo, what was the question? dpkg-gensymbols can be used to update the .symbols
[13:56] <kenvandine> it generated a funky symbols file
[13:56] <Elleo> seb128: the symbols generated by dpkg-gensymbols look entirely different to the existing ones
[13:56] <oSoMoN> matv1, I posted some instructions on the bug report, let’s see if that helps with your issue
[13:56] <seb128> jgdx, I'm unsure to understand what you are after. We removed the silent mode warning/limitation from settings because it was not in the design
[13:56] <seb128> Elleo, can you pastebin those or the diff between them?
[13:57] <kenvandine> seb128, removing that broke the tests
[13:57] <kenvandine> seb128, that's what jgdx is fixing
[13:57] <seb128> sorry about that
[13:57] <jgdx> seb128, the test is only part of this, it seems. The switch is still in the ui, but completely broken
[13:57] <Elleo> seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12876977/ there's an example, all the symbols have the same sort of formatting difference
[13:57] <Elleo> seb128: so the diff is two completely different files
[13:58] <seb128> oh
[13:58] <seb128> maybe somebody used pkgkde-gensymbols
[13:58] <jgdx> seb128, and how is not silent mode part of the design? Is there an errate for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound#Phone ?
[13:59] <seb128> jgdx, the silent mode banners we had tha tthe commit you pointed removed
[13:59] <jgdx> s/errate/errata
[13:59] <Elleo> seb128: ah, I'll give that a try and see if I get something similar
[14:01] <seb128> jgdx, kenvandine, urg I should probably not have cleaned out the "        property variant silentMode: action("silent-mode")" in that commit
[14:01] <seb128> I guess that's the issue
[14:01] <matv1> oSoMoN nope. afraid not. Browser still crashes on startup
[14:02] <jgdx> seb128, yes, and the test failure is real, but it drowned in the many failing tests at the time.
[14:02] <jgdx> I'll fix it
[14:02] <seb128> jgdx, kenvandine, sorry about that
[14:02] <seb128> jgdx, thanks
[14:02] <jgdx> np!
[14:02] <seb128> we need reliable CI so we don't land things ignoring it output...
[14:03] <kenvandine> i should have caught that in review!
[14:03] <kenvandine> geez
[14:03] <matv1> oSoMoN The thing thats weird about it is that the 3 apps all started failing at the exact same time.
[14:03] <kenvandine> i guess it was proper to remove it from SoundList.qml
[14:03] <kenvandine> but not PageComponent.qml
[14:03] <oSoMoN> matv1, ok so we really have to rule out something webbrowser-app specific
[14:04] <matv1> seems so
[14:04] <oSoMoN> matv1, thanks for trying those things, I’ll continue digging
[14:05] <matv1> oSoMoN just to be sure I can do the same things for the Liri browser. I assume it has cache in the same place and probably a sqlite db as well
[14:06] <matv1> I wil update if anything gives.
[14:26] <Elleo> ssweeny: heya, just noticed you have a UDM branch that updated some symbols, how did you go about updating them? I'm getting a very different looking symbols file from what currently exists
[14:31] <ssweeny> Elleo, I based the update on what jenkins threw back at me during the last build. I inherited this branch from mandel and trying to update/land it
[14:32] <Elleo> ssweeny: ah, okay; I wondered about something like that but the diff I get when building also includes a change in the format (but only seemingly for one symbol, not for all)
[14:33] <ssweeny> Elleo, yeah I didn't really understand that result
[14:36] <jgdx> kenvandine, looking at the lang ap test failure: that too is real, not flaky. It's because the Label is no longer a Label, but an UCLabel.
[14:36] <jgdx> I'll ask around
[14:36] <kenvandine> jgdx, ugh
[14:36] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx
[14:37] <ssweeny> Elleo, actually if you have any advice on how to handle that I'd appreciate it
[14:44] <Elleo> ssweeny: if I figure out what's going on I'll let you know, I haven't done anything much with gensymbols in the past though so I'm currently mostly just trying to get up to speed
[14:45] <Rikb> hi all, im trying to port the ubuntu touch to a new platform
[14:45] <Rikb> but lunch keeps telling me there isnt a productspec
[14:46] <Rikb> i checked de device directory and all the files seem to be there.
[14:48] <jgdx> kenvandine, mind merging https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/1_3_deprecations ?
[14:48] <kenvandine> jgdx, sure
[14:50] <kenvandine> jgdx, done
[14:51] <jgdx> kenvandine, thx. Maybe start a new ap run?
[14:51] <kenvandine> jgdx, it'll start automatically
[14:51] <kenvandine> with my new revision
[14:51] <jgdx> kenvandine, is test_about.StorageTestCase.test_space persistently failing?
[14:51] <kenvandine> it failed twice :)
[14:51] <kenvandine> so maybe
[14:52] <kenvandine> not sure about in other branches
[14:52] <jgdx> did it? where
[14:52] <kenvandine> just in the 1_3 branch
[14:52] <kenvandine> i didn't see it fail anywhere else
[14:52] <jgdx> not in the last-1 run https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-vivid-mako/3779/
[14:52] <kenvandine> oh
[14:52] <kenvandine> ignore me then :)
[14:53] <jgdx> kenvandine, awesome. If you fix the updates failures, we'll have the usual ~100% pass :)
[14:53] <jgdx> s/usual/unlikely
[15:13] <jgdx> kenvandine, two comments on the 1_3 branch. The storage lag regression is a bit worrying.
[15:13] <kenvandine> oh, is that a lag?
[15:13] <kenvandine> still deprecation warnings?
[15:13] <kenvandine> i had forgotten about that
[15:14] <kenvandine> wait, they turned off those warnings
[15:14] <kenvandine> so different lag?
[15:16] <bee_keeper> Anyone know what i have to install so that OSX auto detects an aquaris e4.5 is connected by usb?
[15:17] <jgdx> kenvandine, one sec
[15:18] <tathhu> bee_keeper, Ubuntu? :P (no real idea, sorry :()
[15:19] <jgdx> kenvandine, okay, it's 11 secs on non-1.3 as well. Ignore that comment please.
[15:19] <kenvandine> yeah, it's slow :/
[15:19] <jgdx> kenvandine, it's probably all the chroots it has to measure, poor mako
[15:22] <mhall119> pmcgowan: beuno: OTA-7 is out now, we need ubuntu-sdk-15.04.1 framework in the store
[15:23] <beuno> mhall119, still havne't found who uploaded it to the archive?
[15:23] <mhall119> pmcgowan: ^^ can you answer that?
[15:23] <mhall119> or bzoltan_ ^
[15:24] <bzoltan_> mhall119: I wish the same ... lool and beuno are the folks who have rights to do that.
[15:24] <pmcgowan> sil2100, I believe
[15:24] <beuno> I can fix that!
[15:24] <beuno> there's like 20 people who can add them
[15:24] <beuno> I can make that list longer
[15:25] <pmcgowan> or maybe shorter is better
[15:25]  * sil2100 just knows how to add the frameworks to the ubuntu touch seeds
[15:25] <beuno> well, it's fine
[15:25] <beuno> I think we either need sil2100 to be able to add them
[15:25] <beuno> or make sure it's part of his checklist pre/post upload
[15:26] <beuno> I'm fine with either
[15:26] <jnxd> any icon designers here? After a recent post, and templates, I tried my hand at it, and here's the result yet: http://imgur.com/qrxF79x. Can anyone suggest (or make) a good paintbrush art that'd fit with the theme?
[15:29] <mhall119> beuno: can you tell sil2100 what he needs to do to add them, or what info you need for you to add them?
[15:29] <beuno> sure, depending on what path pmcgowan wants to go down
[15:29] <jgdx> jnxd, not bad! Why not keep it simple and trace an outline yourself? IMO icons should consist of max one thing/object/concept.
[15:30] <pmcgowan> ok with me if its ok with him beuno
[15:30] <mhall119> that's not a path
[15:30]  * beuno waits on sil2100's decision
[15:31] <sil2100> I'm fine with doing that, if that's the question - would need to know how and get the right permissions (if needed) tho
[15:31] <jnxd> jgdx: trace an outline as in?
[15:31] <bee_keeper> tathhu: oh rite, just had to install this https://www.android.com/filetransfer/#tips
[15:34] <beuno> sil2100, I'll get you the permissions and walk you through it
[15:35] <beuno> sil2100, log out of myapps.developer.ubuntu.com
[15:35] <beuno> log back in, tick the teams SSO box
[15:35] <beuno> go to: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/frameworks/
[15:36] <beuno> there's a big button with "New framework" on it
[15:36] <beuno> fill in those fields, don't enable unauthenticated, click save
[15:36] <beuno> that's it
[15:37] <sil2100> \o/
[15:37] <beuno> should be boring
[15:38] <sil2100> beuno: thanks, what's the policy version though? Should I just bump it with every new framework?
[15:38] <beuno> sil2100, it should be specified in the uploaded package, no?
[15:38] <beuno> the security team can tell you otherwise
[15:39] <beuno> I don't think you can just bump it, it matches files on disk
[15:39] <pmcgowan> sil2100, need to check with jdstrand
[15:40] <jdstrand> 1.3
[15:40] <sil2100> ACK
[15:40] <jdstrand> same as for 15.04
[15:40] <sil2100> Thanks :)
[15:40] <jdstrand> np
[15:42] <mhall119> sil2100: we also need the -qml -html and -papi variations of that framework
[15:42] <bee_keeper> What's the best solution for VOIP at the moment?
[15:42] <sil2100> mhall119: sure, working on that now
[15:43] <sil2100> mhall119, beuno, bzoltan_, pmcgowan: done, I suppose
[15:43] <mhall119> thanks sil2100
[15:46] <mhall119> updated developer.ubuntu.com to treat 15.04.1 as the current API docs
[15:51] <mhall119> buteo is landed \o/
[15:52] <mhall119> I like seeing the sync notifications in the file indicator
[15:53] <mhall119> oh oh oh, sound indicator has player controls now too
[15:53] <bzoltan_> sil2100:  sweet! Thank you
[15:54] <tathhu> damn, read sound as suomi..
[16:07] <popey> dholbach: if you get a moment before you leave, could you approve clock I just uploaded?
[16:08] <dholbach> sure
[16:11] <dholbach> popey, hum... could it be that it's published already?
[16:12] <popey> it says manual review pending here
[16:13] <dholbach> popey, I can't find where to approve it
[16:13] <popey> dholbach: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/121/review/seq/35/
[16:13] <popey> waaaaay down the bottom
[16:13] <popey> (that needs fixing)
[16:14] <dholbach> yep, I'm on there
[16:14] <dholbach> no textbox at the bottom
[16:14] <popey> odd, i see one
[16:14] <popey> beuno: ^ on that page, dholbach doesn't have an approve button but I do.
[16:15]  * dholbach logs out and back in again
[16:15] <dholbach> still no dice
[16:16] <dholbach> I have "available actions" and "promote"
[16:16] <beuno> matiasb, ^
[16:16] <dholbach> popey, in any case: I approve
[16:16] <popey> dholbach: ok, thank you! :)
[16:17]  * matiasb checks
[16:19] <matiasb> dholbach, are you sure you are in the url popey pasted above? it sounds like you may be in the upload details page (that looks pretty similar to the upload review page atm)
[16:20] <dholbach> matiasb, sorry, false alarm - you are right
[16:20] <dholbach> matiasb, I clicked on a couple of links and ended up on the upload details page
[16:20] <dholbach> and the URL looked very similar to what popey posted, so I thought I was on the page he mentioned
[16:21] <dholbach> maybe the "go to review" or "one pending review" bit could be a bit more prominent?
[16:21] <dholbach> maybe it was just a long day for me
[16:21] <popey> \o/
[16:21] <popey> Success.
[16:21] <dholbach> thanks matiasb and beuno for claryfying
[16:21] <dholbach> clarifying
[16:21] <matiasb> np, and right, this will be hopefully improved ~soon; I could add that link/button
[16:22] <popey> matiasb: also, those buttons being waaaaaay down the bottom is sub-optimal
[16:22] <popey> especially for an app like clock which has had many uploads
[16:23] <matiasb> agree, we are still trying things/transitioning this UI, and with channel changes in progress, there are still a few things that need to be polished
[16:24] <popey> ok, thanks.
[16:24] <dholbach> cool!
[16:25] <popey> dholbach: will you approve then? :)
[16:25] <dholbach> oh, I thought you had done it
[16:25] <dholbach> one
[16:25] <dholbach> done
[16:27] <popey> \o/ thank you
[16:28] <popey> \o/ clock appears on my phone
[16:28] <popey> I love how fast this stuff is
[16:28] <dholbach> yes
[16:28] <dholbach> it's awesome
[16:48] <zzarr_> Hello! The mouse cursor is still invisible in window mode with bt keyboard/mouse
[16:57] <BOHverkill> hi
[16:58] <BOHverkill> since the ota yesterday the music app is telling me the "no music found"
[16:58] <BOHverkill> but i have music in the music folder on the sdcard
[16:58] <BOHverkill> on my bq4.5
[16:59] <BOHverkill> i tried to reboot the phone several times with no effect
[17:02] <BOHverkill> first i thought the problem might be the sdcard so i copied some music files on the internal storage with also with no effect
[17:04] <davmor2> BOHverkill: no seeing that here, had you modified the system at all prior to the update?
[17:05] <davmor2> popey: ^ have you seen this?
[17:06] <popey> nope, not seen that
[17:07] <pmcgowan> popey, music app uses mediascanner?
[17:07] <tathhu> .. do i really need to use ubuntu-d-f as sudo?
[17:08] <pmcgowan> no you shouldn't need sudo
[17:08] <davmor2> tathhu: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[17:08] <tathhu> 14.04
[17:09] <tathhu> afau
[17:09] <tathhu> *ik
[17:09] <tathhu> *iirc
[17:09] <tathhu> yep
[17:09] <davmor2> tathhu: you might need to add dbus rules if they are not back ported then you shouldn't need sudo
[17:10] <tathhu> yea
[17:10] <tathhu> .. well I hope i don't need it again anytime soon :P
[17:12] <popey> pmcgowan: yes, we do
[17:12] <popey> pmcgowan: did we drop ms2 or something?
[17:12] <BOHverkill> davmor2: no not that i know of
[17:12] <pmcgowan> popey, no but wondering if its confused somehow
[17:12] <BOHverkill> here are some logs: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12878167/
[17:13] <popey> erk yes it seems confused
[17:13] <popey> my ota-7 device shows blank in music app too.
[17:13]  * popey checks his music
[17:14] <BOHverkill> it says "No music found"
[17:14] <BOHverkill> but there is music
[17:14] <BOHverkill> and it worked
[17:14] <ogra_> rc-proposed is fine here
[17:14] <popey> hm, mine is not seeing music on my sd card, where previously it did
[17:14] <popey> lemme check I am not running some odd version of music on my device
[17:14] <tathhu> I saw mine on ota7 (and rc too)
[17:15] <popey> hmmm
[17:15] <BOHverkill> mine music app version is 2.2.910
[17:15] <ogra_> same here
[17:16] <popey> same, okay.
[17:16] <BOHverkill> :(
[17:16] <popey> [M#PVhttp://people.canonical.com/~alan/screenshots/device-2015-10-20-181629.png
[17:16] <popey> mine looks like that
[17:18] <BOHverkill> thats mine http://www.bohverkill.org/downloads/screenshot20151020_191719191.png
[17:19] <popey> aaargh, mediascanner is looping constantly over my files.
[17:19] <BOHverkill> so what should i do?
[17:20] <BOHverkill> its really annoying
[17:20] <popey> ok, got it
[17:21] <ogra_> bad filename ?
[17:21] <popey> open a terminal and do "stop mediascanner-2.0"
[17:21] <popey> then start music
[17:21] <popey> ms2 locks the db
[17:21] <BOHverkill> popey: as root?
[17:21] <ogra_> no
[17:21] <BOHverkill> "stop: Unknown instance:"
[17:22] <popey> on the phone, as phablet
[17:22] <BOHverkill> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ stop mediascanner-2.0
[17:22] <BOHverkill> stop: Unknown instance:
[17:22] <ogra_> initctl
[17:22] <popey> wonder why that doesn't work for you
[17:22] <BOHverkill> dont know
[17:22] <ogra_> not running ?
[17:23] <popey> maybe it died
[17:23] <popey> any crashes in /var/crash?
[17:23] <ogra_> i guess it should respawn though
[17:23] <popey> yeah, this is what triggered the whole discussion about not rebooting on crashers
[17:24] <tathhu> .. would be nice to see some kind of changelog when updating software
[17:24] <popey> tathhu: we have changelogs
[17:24] <popey> pmcgowan: this is a problem with ms2, two bugs in fact, one that it locks the db, two that it keeps re-scanning
[17:24] <ogra_> tathhu, for the apps you have the changlog in the app details
[17:24]  * popey files both
[17:24] <pmcgowan> alecu, ^^
[17:25] <ogra_> tathhu, for the system imae you have to watch the "Landing Team" emails on the phone  mailing list
[17:25] <tathhu> ogra_ popey too hard :P would be nice to see it on "update manager" (hided on default) ((or something as amazing)
[17:25] <tathhu> or can I go to app details from updatewhateverthingy it is
[17:26] <ogra_> nope
[17:26] <ogra_> only from the app scope
[17:26] <popey> would be nice if someone made a diff between all the debs / clicks in one image and the next
[17:26] <popey> that would make for "interesting" reading
[17:26] <ogra_> and the next ?
[17:26] <tathhu> ogra_, damn
[17:26] <ogra_> why not the next three then ?
[17:27] <ogra_> :P
[17:28] <BOHverkill> initctl: "mediascanner-2.0 stop/waiting"
[17:28] <ogra_> good
[17:28] <ogra_> now try starting music
[17:29] <BOHverkill> "no music found"
[17:29] <popey> close it and restart it
[17:29] <ogra_> so i guess both of you see different issues
[17:29] <BOHverkill> "no music found"
[17:31] <BOHverkill> should i try to start mediascanner?
[17:31] <popey> ugh, ms2 log is 369MB in size
[17:31] <ogra_> lovely
[17:36] <popey> pmcgowan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mediascanner2/+bug/1508142
[17:36] <alecu> pmcgowan: thanks
[17:36] <alecu> I mean, popey
[17:36] <popey> np
[17:37] <pmcgowan> wonder what triggered that
[17:38] <ogra_> british pop
[17:39] <pmcgowan> it was all that oldies music popey mentioned on g+
[17:39] <ogra_> yeah
[17:39] <popey> :)
[17:39]  * Guest42341 The Cheeky Girls <3
[17:39] <popey> the log shows my terrible music taste
[17:39] <popey> and the dodgy videos I have on my device
[17:39]  * popey considers making the bug private :)
[17:40] <Guest42341> LOL
[17:40] <popey> BOHverkill: you could try stopping ms2, delete ~/.cache/mediascanner-2.0/mediastore.db then start ms2 again
[17:40] <BOHverkill> k
[17:40] <popey> then wait for it to finish scanning before opening music
[17:40] <popey> tail the log to see what its doing
[17:40] <BOHverkill> k
[17:40] <popey> the fact I have a video called goat-rage.webm is worrying
[17:41] <tathhu> :D:D
[17:41] <tathhu> goatse-rage
[17:41] <davmor2> popey: what did you do I still see all my music and videos on ota7
[17:41] <popey> see bug
[17:41] <popey> its not me, it's ms2 looping
[17:45] <BOHverkill> \o/
[17:45] <BOHverkill> it worked
[17:45] <BOHverkill> thx popey :D
[17:46] <popey> BOHverkill: yay!
[17:46] <davmor2> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12878401/ not seeing it unless I'm looking in hte wrong place?
[17:46] <pmcgowan> BOHverkill, does your phone have little disk space available?
[17:46] <popey> well, yours isn't doing it, mine is
[17:47] <popey> davmor2: look at the ms log on that bug
[17:47] <popey> it's insane, looping constantly
[17:47] <davmor2> popey: I wonder if you have some metadata that is tripping it
[17:47] <popey> i delete the database
[17:48] <popey> one dodgy file shouldn't cause ms2 to loop, either way it's a bug
[17:48] <popey> Ok, I think I stopped it.
[17:48] <BOHverkill> pmcgowan: 3,1 GB free
[17:48] <BOHverkill> so no
[17:48] <BOHverkill> and all my music is on the sdcard
[17:49] <BOHverkill> with 32gb
[17:51] <pmcgowan> BOHverkill, ok, did you happen to make a backup of that db?
[17:51] <BOHverkill> urg
[17:51] <BOHverkill> no
[17:51] <pmcgowan> thats fine
[17:51] <pmcgowan> suspect it got corrupted somehow
[17:51] <pmcgowan> popey, did you delete your cache as well?
[17:51] <popey> no, kept it
[17:51] <popey> but I dont think it's corrupt
[17:52] <popey> I deleted two webm videos (updated bug report) and it stopped looping
[17:52] <pmcgowan> ah I see
[17:52] <popey> looks like ms2 doesn't like getting metadata from webm videos - or maybe just those two videos
[17:52] <pmcgowan> ok needs robustness adds
[17:52] <popey> mirrored the videos so people can test with them
[17:53] <popey> ya
[17:53] <davmor2> popey: one second
[17:55] <davmor2> popey: what happens if you add this http://video.webmfiles.org/elephants-dream.webm  if it triggers with that then it might be webm that it hates
[18:03] <davmor2> popey: interesting how the log show that things like sintel.mp4 has a flushed data after it and the webm's don't
[18:03] <popey> yep, loops with that too
[18:04] <popey> i think basically it dies on webm
[18:04] <popey> yeah, I now have no webm videos on my phone
[18:07] <kenvandine> jgdx, test_silent_mode_sound_switch test still failed
[18:13] <popey> pmcgowan: potentially not critical if we know it's just crashing on webm?
[18:13] <popey> I mean, who uses *that*!?
[18:13] <popey> This is where davmor2 tells us his cherished archive of abba videos are all in webm format.
[18:14] <alecu> popey: I tried downloading that webm to my bq, and now mediascanner starts crashing
[18:14] <popey> \o/
[18:14] <popey> I like confirmed bugs :)
[18:14] <alecu> popey: also, I can't reproduce it with the video player
[18:14] <davmor2> popey: I only have one video on my phone and it is the 2 cellos concert, I use youtube for abba :P
[18:14] <popey> :)
[18:14] <alecu> so, I suspect something odd with gstreamer
[18:16] <davmor2> popey: I wonder, do you have that video on you pc? and is mediascanner 2.0 runnign there to if so that might explain you slowed system maybe?
[18:16] <davmor2> popey: or maybe webm is handled correctly on pc
[18:16] <popey> hmmm
[18:16] <popey> good question
[18:17] <popey> (I do have it on my pc)
[18:17] <pmcgowan> popey, alecu but BOHverkill had a different issue he cleared by removing his cache
[18:17] <popey> This would indeed explain slow pc
[18:19] <popey> davmor2: not looping on desktop
[18:19] <popey> I suspect I have the necessary gstreamer bits to decode webm on the desktop, but we don't ship them on the phone?
[18:19] <popey> sounds plausible in my head anyway
[18:20] <popey> also, wily vs vivid
[18:20] <davmor2> popey: do you get flushed data report like sintel on desktop that would help confirm it too I guess
[18:20] <popey> lemme delete the mediastore on desktop to be fair
[18:20] <popey> so it re-scans
[18:27] <tathhu> Tm_T, oliks sulla niitä tmux-kauroja?
[18:27] <tathhu> .. lmao wrong channel
[18:33] <alecu> popey: davmor2: can you guys try to play the .webm file on the phone? I get a .crash in /var/crash both for mediascanner and media-hub
[18:34] <davmor2> alecu: I don't have webm on my phone, I'm actually testing desktop, hence asking popey
[18:35] <alecu> davmor2: I just tried wgetting the webm you suggested above into ~phablet/Videos
[18:36] <TenLeftFingers> Elleo: I heard on UbuntuOnAir that you know about keyboard layouts. I'm interested in Dvorak on Unity 8. Is there a way I can help?
[18:36] <popey> TenLeftFingers: kivi asked this earlier, let me find the log for you
[18:37] <popey> TenLeftFingers: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/10/20/%23ubuntu-app-devel.html#t15:51
[18:38] <TenLeftFingers> Thanks popey.
[18:38] <davmor2> alecu: yeah I was just looking for a video that could be shared legitimately so devs could reproduce the issue and qa could use the same video as a source for testing
[18:41] <popey> alecu: i get a black screen when I try and play elephants dream webm
[18:43] <alecu> popey: do you get a file in /var/crash as well?
[18:46] <popey> alecu: no
[18:46] <popey> just doesn't play
[18:47] <popey> alecu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12878819/ thats what i see in media-hub log
[18:49] <alecu> hmmm... I should flash my phone from scratch, too many silos installed.
[19:13] <WolfiWolfi> hallo
[19:16] <WolfiWolfi> is there someone here who speaks german?
[19:37] <tathhu> Can I somehow disable that short swipe from right edge which opens previous app? Soo annoying.
[19:39] <davmor2> ogra_: ^
[19:43] <mcphail> tathhu: I can hardly ever get that swipe to work! Always opens the carousel for me
[19:46] <tathhu> I'd like to disable it as I *never* use it
[19:46] <tathhu> Accidentally swiping from right (damn you Jolla) and previous app, so nice. :D
[19:58] <mcphail> Well, my first day on OTA7 has turned out much smoother than OTA6. This is looking like the best vivid release so far. Cheers guys
[20:17] <nhaines> WolfiWolfi: ich tue nur so.  :)  Ask, anyway, and maybe someone can answer.
[20:36] <jgdx> kenvandine, your branch does not fix that
[20:38] <jgdx> kenvandine, the silent mode fix is in my branch and the ci isn't done yet..
[20:38] <kenvandine> jgdx, oh right, that was the lang fix :)
[20:39] <kenvandine> jgdx, sorry... i'm distracted by content-hub today :)
[20:39] <kenvandine> so the lang test passed... woot
[20:39] <jgdx> kenvandine, i'll sleep sound tonight then
[20:39] <kenvandine> sound...
[20:40] <kenvandine> :-p
[20:40] <jgdx> :D
[20:40] <jgdx> but so much of my mental state is tied to the outcomes of uss CI
[20:40] <kenvandine> i guess i need to look at the test failures in the update panel
[20:40] <kenvandine> lol
[20:40] <jgdx> kenvandine, i thought you had found something?
[20:40] <kenvandine> that wasn't for the test failure
[20:40] <kenvandine> it was the connectivity issue
[20:40]  * jgdx recalls
[20:40] <kenvandine> the bug listed on the trello board
[20:41] <kenvandine> and my branch actually doesn't fix the specific problem that's listed in the bug
[20:41] <kenvandine> but the one where we start a check with no connection, etc
[20:41] <kenvandine> that bfiller noticed in airplane mode
[20:42] <kenvandine> i think i need to delete the network object and recreated it to fix the other bug
[20:42] <kenvandine> although, with my current fix we'll be less likely to run into the other bug :)
[20:42] <jgdx> uuh :p okay.. my brain's a bit too fried to digest that
[20:43] <kenvandine> :)
[20:43] <kenvandine> get some rest
[20:43] <jgdx> will do, let's talk about updates tomorrow!
[20:43] <jgdx> good night ken!
[20:43] <kenvandine> good night
[20:50] <ahoneybun> popey: is on the radio lol
[21:32] <bee_keeper> Hi, I've a couple of questions, isn't there a terminal app?  Searching for terminal in the store doesn't bring back anything relevant
[21:32] <bee_keeper> And also, is there any app solution for voip?
[21:37] <mcphail> bee_keeper: yes, there is a terminal app (simply called terminal). No voip yet, as far as I know
[21:43] <bee_keeper> mcphail: literally no voip at all?  Is there any project working on it?
[21:49] <bee_keeper> I don't get it, i go here - https://uappexplorer.com/app/com.ubuntu.terminal - click install and i get directed back to the official store where the app doesn't seem to exist?
[21:56] <mcphail> bee_keeper: I think there has been work to support webrtc, so I suppose that may be the solution
[21:58] <dobey> bee_keeper: terminal app is definitely in the store. what device are you trying to install it on?
[21:59] <bee_keeper> dobey: It's a BG 4.5
[22:01] <dobey> bee_keeper: do you get no results at all?
[22:01] <bee_keeper> I just got it today :)
[22:01] <bee_keeper> dobey: there are some results but nothing relevant
[22:01] <dobey> bee_keeper: i mean when you search for terminal in the store scope on the phone
[22:01] <dobey> hmm, ok
[22:02] <mcphail> bee_keeper: is your phone fully updated?
[22:02] <dobey> bee_keeper: you probably need to install the system updates
[22:02] <dobey> your phone might have come with an older image which doesn't have the newer framework the terminal app requires
[22:03] <dobey> bee_keeper: go to system settings, then updates, and install the Ubuntu update, then you should be able to see terminal in the store scope
[22:05] <bee_keeper> dobey: ok doing that now, thanks
[22:06] <bee_keeper> I normally hate phones but this experience is like rediscovering linux for the first time :)
[22:07] <dobey> :)
[22:07] <dobey> well, i need to go. good luck :)
[22:08] <bee_keeper> thanks
[22:52] <JanC> AFAIK the bq 4.5 has supported the terminal app OOTB for months?