[00:49] <diddledan> I want moar monitors
[00:50] <diddledan> it'ld be nice if I could get one of my two 24inches fixed (it died - presumably psu)
[05:03] <mapps> argh
[05:04] <mapps> what the hell is wrong with me
[05:04] <mapps> wiped out my entire betfair balance in one day - £7576
[05:04] <mapps> i cant seem to learn
[05:11] <zmoylan-pi> 1 legged horse at 1000-1 looked too good to pass up?
[05:13] <diddledan> yeek
[06:05] <mapps> no
[06:05] <mapps> i bet  unders a lot like a fool:)
[06:05] <mapps> being a negative person
[06:54] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:17] <MooDoo> morning
[07:19] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[07:21] <MooDoo> howdy, are you well brobostigon ?
[07:21] <brobostigon> other than my eczema, yes.
[08:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:06] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[08:23] <foobarry> somebody sent me an amazon.com gift card. turns out you can't redeem on amazon.co,uk
[08:25] <bashrc> :)
[08:25] <davmor2> foobarry: wompwompwomp.com
[08:26] <foobarry> will probably buy kindle books
[08:27] <davmor2> foobarry: but it is not pointing to your account so you can't access it right?  Or can you?
[08:27] <foobarry> i entered the code on co.uk and it didn't work
[08:27] <foobarry> its a lot shorter than uk ones
[08:27] <foobarry> entered on .com and it worked
[08:27] <foobarry> its not much munneh
[08:27] <foobarry> just a token amount for a tech survey i filled in , $5
[08:28] <davmor2> foobarry: try ringing the uk number and explain the problem
[08:28] <foobarry> meh, for that amount, its not worth it, i can buy electronic stuff
[09:03] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Brandied Fruit Day! 😃  🍒
[09:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: you made me go there and now this will be stuck with you for the rest of the day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tou8-Cz8is
[09:08]  * zmoylan-pi waits for know your vegtable day...
[09:10] <davmor2> JamesTait: and what is worse now you'll be think about Beetlejuice all day too :D
[09:12] <zmoylan-pi> beetlejuice?
[09:12]  * zmoylan-pi sets trap....
[09:15] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: yes but you have to say it three times :P
[09:15] <zmoylan-pi> say what?
[09:15] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: what?
[09:16] <JamesTait> Betelgeuse?
[09:16] <zmoylan-pi> i did like when it was done on community... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19FMU3M7Jtk
[09:26] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:26] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[09:26] <bigcalm> Oh, it got fixed
[09:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: I so gonna slap you
[09:27] <bigcalm> :D
[09:27] <MooDoo> I'll get the popcorn
[09:28] <bigcalm> I'll not be running it on any of my systems, but I do like teasing Canonical employees
[09:29] <diddledan> oh, it's not out yet?!
[09:29] <bigcalm> Seeding ubuntu-mate-15.04-desktop-i386.iso has a ratio of 571. popey: I take it that you'll be releasing a 5.10 version later
[09:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: not likely 15.10 maybe
[09:30] <bashrc> when is 15.10 due out?
[09:30] <diddledan> bashrc thursday I think
[09:30] <davmor2> bashrc: Thursday
[09:30] <bigcalm> davmor2: heh :P
[09:35] <zmoylan-pi> i never could get the hang of thursdays...
[09:36] <bigcalm> Lets hope that it's not a lunch time release then
[09:36] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, it's too close to friday to get you excited for the weekend but annoyed that it's not friday
[09:38] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: if things go catastrophically wrong for a certain set of hardware then you have friday for a respin, If friday was release day then there would be no fixes till Monday leaving people without computers for the whole weekend
[09:39] <diddledan> davmor2, are you saying that the release architects aren't committed enough to work through the weekend?!
[09:39] <popey>  correct
[09:39] <popey> They work hard enough during the week.
[09:39] <zmoylan-pi> i spent a few saturdays onsite fixing things when someone demanded the big install be done on friday...
[09:39] <diddledan> lol
[09:39] <popey> No reason to actively force them to work on the weekend
[09:40] <davmor2> diddledan: up till Thursday the guys will be online longer than I am
[09:40] <diddledan> ok, I'll give a bit of leeway then :-p
[09:47] <bigcalm> Sooooooo - letsencrypt.org - yay/nay?
[09:51] <popey> Decided I needed loud music. Put my headphones on, forgot to start music player. Been sat here for an hour with my headphones on in silence.
[09:52] <diddledan> haha
[09:52] <diddledan> that's impressive fail
[09:52] <diddledan> it's the kind of thing I do
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> if it stopped people walking up and asking questions distracting you they worked :-)
[09:53] <diddledan> :-)
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> if i were world dictator my first act would be to allow you to break an ibm model m keyboard over someone who asked someone coding what time is it?/what are thet doing? :-P
[09:57] <davmor2> popey: D'oh!!!!
[10:01] <bigcalm> zmoylan-pi: you sound like our junior dev :|
[10:01] <zmoylan-pi> i had a boss who would insist on asking what i was working on... multiple times a day...
[10:04] <TwistedLucidity> zmoylan-pi: Like in "Fawlty Towers"; "Have you hung the picture yet?"
[10:05] <TwistedLucidity> popey: Could be worse. The number of times I have turned up the volume on my mobile (no headphone, using BT to car radio). Forgotten. Then plugged headphones in and nearly defeaned myself!
[10:06] <TwistedLucidity> I wish Android had two volumes (headphones and none).
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> get headphones with their own volume and set it low?
[10:06] <popey> I once had my volume turned up high on the train, couldn't hear it, turned out the headphones weren't plugged in. Everyone on the train was so polite!
[10:07] <zmoylan-pi> i underwent an mri and the person prior to me was deaf, i couldn't hear for hours afterwards...
[10:08] <TwistedLucidity> I brought ear plugs. Even so...eeeee...ka-thug...ka-thug...ka-thung...eeee...oooo....ka-thug....
[10:08] <TwistedLucidity> Being able to see your insides is cool though
[10:10]  * zmoylan-pi has pics of wonky hip pre op and terminator hip post op... :-)
[10:10] <diddledan> ooh, share!
[10:10] <TwistedLucidity> Because of the position I had to be in for my MRI, I needed help getting up afterwards. "We're done, you OK?" "Yeah, OK". "Err...we are done." "I know, but I can't move...."
[10:10] <diddledan> I wanna terminator hip
[10:11] <diddledan> to be fair, I want terminator anything
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> You probably don't. Which is why they delay such things for as long as poss.
[10:11] <TwistedLucidity> In the future it will be nanotech delivery polymorhpic stem cells. <- I wish
[10:11] <zmoylan-pi> i don't put those pics online for complicated reasons
[10:12] <TwistedLucidity> The surgeon stitch "<name> woz 'ere" into your side?
[10:13] <zmoylan-pi> they delay them also as you can only get 2 hips as the 2nd shortens the leg as the first artifical hip is removed and there's no room for a 3rd replacement
[10:13] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, worried about letting the future skynet know that you're bionic?
[10:14] <zmoylan-pi> nah, i can kill a terminator by hitting about the head with my nokia... :-)
[10:14] <diddledan> what about the model-m keyboar?
[10:14] <zmoylan-pi> the assault rifle of the developer corp... :-)
[10:59] <foobarry> does anyone keep a key in a key safe outside their house?
[11:00] <zmoylan-pi> i think the current best practice is to give a spare key to a neighbour or porn buddy
[11:01] <foobarry> i prefer than idea (neighbour) but wifey is pushing for key safe
[11:01] <foobarry> because we have young kids
[11:01] <zmoylan-pi> http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80985380/ porn buddies
[11:01] <diddledan> foobarry, I really need one of those buddies :-p
[11:01] <foobarry> and getting locked out is higher risk and more likelu
[11:02] <diddledan> wait, ebaumsworld still exists?!
[11:02] <diddledan> I remember watching videos on there back around the turn of the century
[11:02] <zmoylan-pi> it always seems to be the only place i can find porn buddies when it comes up...
[11:02] <foobarry> what are they?
[11:02] <foobarry> not clicking :D
[11:03] <zmoylan-pi> a porn buddy is someone who has your house key who will in event of accident remove the porn from your house before your next of kin find it
[11:04] <diddledan> basically the person who's seen you at your worst who you don't mind discovering your kinks while they clean the evidence before your family get there :-p
[11:04] <foobarry> ah ok. not applicable
[11:05] <zmoylan-pi> but they have a key and will get it to you in case
[11:05] <popey> my mum and wifes mum have keys to our place
[11:05] <popey> no way I'd leave keys out
[11:05] <foobarry> the issue is that the neighbour is probably out
[11:05] <zmoylan-pi> the hidey places used for keys are probably well recognised by burgalars
[11:05] <popey> and the kids are never in a position where they need to get into the house without one of us
[11:05] <foobarry> although we have some elderly ones who are rarely out
[11:05] <diddledan> my dad has my spare key
[11:06] <foobarry> i do agree with you guys
[11:06] <diddledan> popey, yet
[11:06] <popey> for some years yet
[11:06] <diddledan> popey, wait till they start going out on the binge :-p
[11:06] <popey> they are 9 and 12
[11:06] <popey> I will stay up :)
[11:07] <popey> In fact I'll almost certainly have to go and get them
[11:07] <diddledan> lol. that's proper parenting! :-)
[11:07] <popey> DadCabs
[11:07] <foobarry> kids get their own keys innit
[11:07] <foobarry> from 14+ or whatever
[11:07] <bigcalm> popey: 12?! Oh how time flies
[11:07] <popey> yeah!
[11:07] <diddledan> dad's taxi ftw
[11:07] <popey> Her 12th last month.
[11:07] <diddledan> I still use the parental minicab firm :-p
[11:09] <popey> I'm trying to think under what circumstances Sophie would be coming home alone...
[11:09] <popey> not often, but maybe in a few years
[11:09] <popey> She goes to school where wifey works, so gets a lift in/out with her
[11:10] <foobarry> nice
[11:10] <foobarry> i went to school where my dad was teacher
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> i still have the house key i was given aged 6 for when i got home from school alone
[11:10] <foobarry> is that allowed
[11:10] <foobarry> home alone at 6?
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> in the 70s yeah
[11:11] <foobarry> i thought in the 70s we didn't need keys because the doors were open anyway
[11:11] <foobarry> but the gypsies might kidnap you
[11:11] <davmor2> popey: you need to practice sharpening a knives in the doorway then she is getting to boyfriend age
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> not in my town, ferry port, lots of coming and going of stangers
[11:11] <foobarry> boyfriend age is 30 right?
[11:12] <popey> or indeed girlfriend
[11:12] <popey> or whatevert
[11:12] <foobarry> after 12 years of vetting
[11:12] <popey> -t
[11:12] <davmor2> foobarry: no when you are dead and buried and can't say no anymore
[11:12] <popey> She's at an all girls school, so this is less likely :)
[11:12] <davmor2> popey: they find a way trust me
[11:12] <foobarry> popey has it all sorted
[11:13] <popey> back in the dungeon, sophie!
[11:13] <foobarry> although the girls school near me had most teeange preggers
[11:13] <foobarry> but it was a convent school
[11:13] <zmoylan-pi> catholic school girl uniform defeats intent of all girls school to keep girls out of trouble
[11:14] <popey> not the intent
[11:14] <popey> the intent (in ours) is for the girls not to get distracted by boys
[11:14] <popey> which has worked
[11:15] <zmoylan-pi> didn't work with my 3 sisters
[11:15] <popey> but the school is going co-ed, which is convenient because sophie will be in the all-girls bit, and sam will get to be co-ed
[11:15] <foobarry> handy
[11:15] <popey> yeah, kinda stuck there now
[11:15] <popey> hard to leave with wifey working there
[11:15] <foobarry> maybe separated by a tall fence
[11:15] <foobarry> or watchtowers
[11:16] <popey> hah
[11:17] <davmor2> foobarry: but what will jobo magazines do?
[11:19] <popey> foobarry: you considering a key press thing with a code?
[11:19] <foobarry> yes popey p
[11:19] <popey> When we went on holiday to portugal the house had one of those
[11:19] <foobarry> holiday homes seem to use them a lot
[11:20] <popey> but the house also had an alarm, so standing there guessing the number would mean you could get in, but you wouldn't be able to do much till you disabled the alarm
[11:20] <popey> I guess you could take the key away and make a copy then put it back
[11:20] <popey> can the kids not just have their own key?
[11:20] <foobarry> i was thinking of putting the standard key but not the chubb
[11:20] <foobarry> this is because wifey getting locked out
[11:20] <foobarry> forgetting to take keys on school run/walk
[11:21] <foobarry> this would allow her to get back in
[11:21] <foobarry> accidental lockout
[11:21] <foobarry> but if we leave the house normally the chubb always gets locked
[11:21] <foobarry> a burglar would need the chubb too
[11:21] <foobarry> still i'm uncomfortable about it
[11:30] <popey> as a kid I sometimes smashed all the crisps in a bag up before opening it
[11:30] <popey> it was quite satisfying
[11:31] <popey> but when you open the bag you realise what a small volume of crisps it contains
[11:59] <MooDoo> :)
[12:00] <foobarry> as a kid i got fed up of scroungers in teh playground so i  took a bag of "skips" to school that was actually identical looking polystyrene packaging in a skips packet
[12:01] <popey> hah
[12:01] <foobarry> usually i'd have a queue of kids asking for monster munch
[12:01] <foobarry> let 5 kids have a chuink and there's only 2 for yourself
[12:01] <Myrtti> as a Finn who ate the same, hot, free school lunch as everyone else in school, I can't help but to think that giving a kid crisps in the lunch box is wrong
[12:02] <foobarry> i only got to eat 2 so its ok Myrtti
[12:02] <Myrtti> albeit not quite as wrong as the kebab shop that used to sell a kiddy meal of chips and smiley faces and soda
[12:02] <foobarry> and i'm still underweight after all these years
[12:03] <Myrtti> foobarry: 2 a week, 2 a month?
[12:03] <foobarry> 2 crisps a day after the scroungers had nabbed them
[12:04] <foobarry> my son gets a hot meal this year and last year
[12:04] <foobarry> but he's 6
[12:05] <foobarry> it stops after that
[12:05] <foobarry> i'd be tempted to pay though if the price is ok and he eats it all
[12:05] <foobarry> just realised i have the same meal i had when i was 7 even now. sandwich, crisps, apple and a ribena
[12:57] <m0nkey__> yerp.
[12:58] <diddledan> derp
[12:58] <zmoylan-pi> larp
[12:58] <diddledan> parp?
[13:07] <m0nkey__> diddledan: were you asking about the unifi stuff i have yesterday?
[13:07] <diddledan> m0nkey_, I think it was ali who wanted to know?
[13:20] <foobarry> coming soon, 4od on chromcast \o/
[13:23] <bigcalm> Oo, that'll please my wife
[13:24] <foobarry> except for the 10 mins of ads vs 20 mins of programme
[13:25] <foobarry> makes me feel dirty
[13:25] <bigcalm> TV isn't free
[13:27] <jpds> foobarry: Too bad chromecast is so flaky
[13:27] <SuperMatt> is it really?
[13:27] <SuperMatt> I was thinking of getting one
[13:27] <jpds> SuperMatt: Oh yes
[13:28] <jpds> SuperMatt: It'll disappear from the phone midway through something
[13:28] <jpds> SuperMatt: And you sometimes have to disconnect from wifi and reconnect to make it come back
[13:29] <bigcalm> I have had no problems with my chromecast
[13:29] <bigcalm> Just make sure both your chromecast and your phone have a good wifi signal
[13:30] <SuperMatt> Ah, I was thinking of casting from my laptop to the screen
[13:30] <jpds> bigcalm: I'm in the same room as the wifi ap
[13:32] <bigcalm> I tend to use mine for youtube
[13:32] <bigcalm> So the mobile is controlling rather than casting
[13:35] <popey> yeah, not had any issues with chromecast here
[13:44] <foobarry> i have problems casting from a device and the device goes to sleep and then i can't regain control
[13:45] <foobarry> so then i can't pause any more
[13:45] <foobarry> the other day i got a film on amazon prime, then realised they won't let me chrome it
[13:45] <foobarry> kind of killed the mood to find a vga lead and speakers
[13:55] <popey> most devices I have used have controls on the lock screen
[13:56] <popey> so you dont need to unlock to pause
[13:56] <popey> certainly does with youtube and netflix
[13:56] <popey> amazon prime not working is intentional breakage from amazon, not chromecast or googles fault
[14:10] <foobarry> yep
[14:10] <foobarry> but an oversight on my part, i just assumed without thinking
[14:14] <davmor2> yeah they want you to use fire stick I guess
[14:16] <Azelphur> Hmm, every time I unlock my computer I get "Authentication is required to change your own user data" o.O
[14:18] <bigcalm> davmor2: they very much want you to use the firestick and prime. Amazon no longer sell the chromecast
[14:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: indeed, you'd think that the monopolies commission would have something to say about that though right
[14:24]  * bigcalm shrugs
[14:30] <foobarry> just like kindle i guess
[16:09] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE
[16:09] <diddledan> OMGEE
[16:10]  * popey watches for the 10th time
[16:14] <tripleclones> I'm finding this one a bit too busy
[16:15] <diddledan> it got me excited
[16:15] <tripleclones> although have my tickets booked for a 00:01hrs viewing on 17th :)
[16:15] <diddledan> lol
[16:15] <diddledan> nice
[16:15] <tripleclones> I'm very excited about it
[16:16] <diddledan> I'm wondering if I'll recognise greenham common when I watch it
[16:16] <diddledan> (that's just round the corner from me)
[16:17] <tripleclones> just to be lazy, when 15.10 released?
[16:17] <diddledan> thursday
[16:18] <tripleclones> cheers
[16:19] <tripleclones> is greenham common where the x-wing was spotted by a pilot?
[16:20] <diddledan> there was a minellium falcon there at one point, and several x-wings
[16:53] <foobarry> !isitoutyet
[16:55] <foobarry> its my 10th anniversary next week
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> !isitoutyet
[16:55] <foobarry> so it must be also my 10th anniversary of using ubuntu
[16:56] <zmoylan-pi> i found a dvd covercase from linux mag with ubuntu on it.  not sure i installed it though
[16:57] <bashrc> I first started using ubuntu in 2006
[17:00] <diddledan> !isitoutyet
[17:00] <diddledan> :-p
[17:00] <diddledan> hurry up :-o
[17:00] <diddledan> teehee
[17:00]  * diddledan smirks
[17:02] <davmor2> man I had joined LP and reported bug longer than bashrc has been a user ;)
[17:08] <foobarry> Member since:
[17:08] <foobarry> 2006-05-20
[17:08] <foobarry> hmm took me a while before getting LP
[17:12] <zmoylan-pi> http://istodaythedaymartymcflyarriveswhenhetravelstothefuture.com/
[17:13] <foobarry> my 2yr old just outed my missis
[17:13] <foobarry> "watched star wars on mummy phone at lunch daddy"
[17:17] <Myrtti> I hate hate haaaaatttteee hate that my laptop's wifi doesn't survive suspend anymore, I have to re-enable wifi from network manager almost every time I return from suspend
[17:18] <daftykins> how wude
[17:18] <daftykins> what change prompted that, wily upgrade or new kernel...?
[17:19] <Myrtti> upgrade, tried an older one and I think it still had the same problem, and now the newer kernels have it still
[17:19] <Myrtti> I'm at the short end of the stick now
[17:19] <daftykins> 15.04?
[17:19] <Myrtti> yeah
[17:20] <zmoylan-pi> my latest 15.04 install on a lenovo doesn't do wifi or bt.  and i cann't be buggered to fix it tbh :-)
[17:20] <daftykins> hahaha
[17:21] <daftykins> sounds like one of the usual Lenovo quirks
[17:21] <daftykins> wind direction must be south-east during installation for wifi to work
[17:21] <daftykins> or actually TJ told me about the whole ACPI OSI thing a bit ago, that's always worth a go :D
[17:21] <zmoylan-pi> it'll either start working when i upgrade or it won't. i see it as a reminder not to buy lenovo next time...
[17:22] <zmoylan-pi> it's kinda what i do when i have a hard drive fail.  i avoid that companies hardware for a few generations...
[17:23] <daftykins> you'd be out of companies the way HDDs work nowadays :>
[17:23] <daftykins> or don't work, as the case seems to be
[17:23] <daftykins> thankfully we'll all be on pure SSD soon enough :D
[17:23] <zmoylan-pi> unless the hard drive failed due to bouncing off the floor in a freak yachting accident
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> there's always another brand to go to when you drop 1-2 brands
[17:24] <zmoylan-pi> and i'll stick with hdd as i don't trust ssd yet
[17:25] <daftykins> 'tis a bit early, but i'm confident with 3D NAND
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> it's good for some, for those that want raw performance, solid state no moving parts, but not a priority for me
[17:31] <daftykins> you can't go back once you try it :D
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> for the first few years of ssd's it didn't take much to find horror stories of a badly configured distro wearing out the ssd, now it's just a capacity/price thing
[17:48] <zmoylan-pi> i'd risk a chromebook, if it was a) right spec 4gb ram, >=64gb ssd, b) had page up/down keys c) could install linux
[17:48] <daftykins> mmm, i think things should be bought that work rather than require modding :>
[17:49] <zmoylan-pi> in that case i'd buy nothing :-)
[17:49] <zmoylan-pi> i have zero interest/trust in chromeos.
[17:49] <zmoylan-pi> but it's closest thing to a netbook been sold these days
[17:51] <zmoylan-pi> the new ms surface book looks nice but has same problem as ms tablets in 90s.  just too expensive
[17:52] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: get an xps 13
[17:52] <daftykins> the 9350 looks so nice :)
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> my experience of dells is quite warped, i've only ever seen them after every other tech support person has given up on them... :-)
[18:13] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: pfff
[19:13] <Azelphur> Is there any way to tell APT to stop being stupid and install the package, when the package depends on libx264-142 but the package has been renamed to libx264-146
[19:14] <daftykins> o0 got a pastebin of the situation?
[19:15] <foobarry> looking at some old open bugs
[19:15] <foobarry> gwibber lol
[19:21] <foobarry> the gwibber dev went over to apple. just checked his witter and he spendshis time bitching about them now
[19:21] <daftykins> :D
[19:27] <Myrtti> oh, who?
[19:28] <directhex> Azelphur: it's not being stupid, the lib package's contents have been changed as they are no longer compatible
[19:28] <Azelphur> directhex: oh, so it can't use 142?
[19:29] <directhex> Azelphur: it's a soname bump - libx264.so.142 is not in libx264-146
[19:30] <directhex> and the app is linked against libx264.so.142 not libx264.so.146
[19:30] <directhex> the good news is the packages are parallel-installable, you can just grab a .deb from an older release
[19:31] <foobarry> rplptl~.
[19:32] <foobarry> Myrtti: https://twitter.com/segphault
[19:32] <foobarry> i tihnk he wrote for ars technica back in the day
[19:32] <Azelphur> directhex: fun, guess I could do that
[19:33] <directhex> you bump SONAME when you break backward compatibility in a lib
[19:33] <directhex> multimedia libs are the worst for it
[19:46] <foobarry> has anyone made the metal earth star wars kits?
[19:46] <foobarry> e,g, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Metal-Earth-Millennium-Falcon-Model/dp/B00GY8S8MO/ref=pd_sim_21_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=0FEKXZKFBR9TG679MC6S&dpID=51B34bciNSL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_
[19:46] <foobarry> ugh
[19:47] <foobarry> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Metal-Earth-Millennium-Falcon-Model/dp/B00GY8S8MO
[19:58] <Myrtti> foobarry: I didn't think he went for Apple, xamarin I knew about
[20:23] <foobarry> i meant he switched his OS of choice :)
[20:27] <daftykins> once they go OS X there's no help ;)
[20:27]  * diddledan pokes it
[20:36] <diddledan> I'm thinking I might upgrade to 15.10 before d-day
[20:36] <Myrtti> oh, that
[20:36] <daftykins> diddledan: you devil!
[20:36] <diddledan> daftykins, at least my drives are all working. don't you dare touch them!
[20:37] <daftykins> hey er, why don't you run a little smartctl for me...
[20:37] <diddledan> never!
[20:37] <diddledan> out of sight, out of mind!
[20:37] <daftykins> :)
[20:37] <diddledan> if I can't see it, then it didn't happen
[20:37] <diddledan> like the bugblatter beast of traal
[20:38] <diddledan> speaking of which, how did douglas adams invent so many obvious things that nobody ever thought of before?!
[20:39] <diddledan> I swear he was a savant
[20:39] <daftykins> genius level
[20:39] <diddledan> achievement unlocked: 42
[20:42] <foobarry> because he invented a genre pretty much
[20:43] <foobarry> i re-read all his books recently
[20:43] <foobarry> they go downhill a lot quite quickly
[20:43] <diddledan> what? the clocks change this week?!
[20:43] <diddledan> omg, the end of days!
[20:43] <foobarry> and really tedious and difficult sections to follow
[20:45] <daftykins> best part is the US doesn't change for another few days, so the Atlantic will shrink by an hour
[20:45] <diddledan> yey for relativity
[20:46] <diddledan> (that does mean that britain is going to be moving faster than the americas, right?)
[20:46] <diddledan> I can science, me!
[20:47] <diddledan> look at me sciencing!
[20:48] <zmoylan-pi> huzzah, mac users are now been called about problems with their mac \o/ :-) http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/10/support-scams-that-plagued-windows-users-for-years-now-target-mac-customers/
[20:48] <daftykins> 8D
[20:48] <zmoylan-pi> next up... linux.... :-D
[20:52] <diddledan> weel aah reckon y'all up thar in loonicks land ain't never fallen foul a any scams
[20:53] <diddledan> (that's what the tech support people sound like, right?)
[20:54] <zmoylan-pi> and a seperate item says 15 people got their ubuntu phone infected with malware...
[20:54] <diddledan> \o/
[20:54] <diddledan> this may truly be the year of household linux!
[20:54] <diddledan> you know you've arrived when you get virused
[20:55] <diddledan> (cue innapropriate reference to STIs)
[20:55] <zmoylan-pi> a pox on all their oses :-P
[20:56] <daftykins> well if it was just that bad app, all it did was change a boot screen
[20:56] <daftykins> so just the usual media clickbait and scaremongering
[20:56] <diddledan> at least those with dumbphones don't have to worry about the zombie apocalypse
[20:57] <diddledan> daftykins, omg, an image?
[20:57] <daftykins> ikr!
[20:57] <diddledan> dastardly shenanigans!
[20:57] <zmoylan-pi> dumbphones ftw \o/
[20:58]  * zmoylan-pi bangs 2 nokias together to make fire after the apocolypse
[20:58] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi, when you disappear folk with a rug and a river, do you weigh the body down with nokias?
[20:59] <zmoylan-pi> and waste a nokia?!
[20:59] <diddledan> point.
[20:59]  * diddledan misses his 7110
[20:59] <zmoylan-pi> plenty of freebie winphones out there for that...
[20:59] <diddledan> I think I still remember the number of my 7110's contract
[20:59] <diddledan> 07799660097
[20:59] <diddledan> I do!
[20:59] <diddledan> wow
[21:00] <zmoylan-pi> you can pick up ancient nokias for <€50
[21:00] <diddledan> that was an awesome number
[21:00] <diddledan> it was on one2one (remember those guys?!)
[21:00] <Myrtti> I just remember my ICQ number
[21:01] <diddledan> I think I still know my ICQ, too, Myrtti
[21:01] <daftykins> diddledan: let's call it!
[21:02] <diddledan> lol
[21:02] <diddledan> I wonder if it's still in use
[21:02] <daftykins> i got really confused a bit ago when an ex turned up on whatsapp, but it turned out it was just her prior temporary UK number which someone came up as when they took over the same #
[21:02] <daftykins> :D
[21:03] <diddledan> lol
[21:04] <diddledan> hah, this page lists it as at one time belonging to someone: http://ukphonebook.mobi/57/90/luke-mitchel.php
[21:04] <daftykins> aww just had someone check their disk and it's fine ;)
[21:04] <diddledan> namely one "Barker Thaddeus" of St. Julians , Newport
[21:05] <daftykins> i think you should call yourself that
[21:05] <diddledan> lol
[21:06] <daftykins> aww yeah old RAID is 98% rebuilt
[21:06] <daftykins> i'm amazed the disks haven't conked out yet
[21:06] <diddledan> \o/
[21:06] <daftykins> i got bored enough to plug them in
[21:06] <daftykins> 6 x 1TB doing nothing
[21:06] <diddledan> I think raid arrays should have moar blinken flashen
[21:07] <daftykins> oh you can totally trick out a true hardware RAID card ;)
[21:07] <daftykins> it's got headers for LEDs!
[21:07] <diddledan> I used to love pulling out a hotswap disk kfrom an active raid and then putting it back to watch the lightshow
[21:08] <daftykins> that stress is pretty bad :(
[21:08] <diddledan> "the cloud" is ruining systems administration
[21:26] <popey> 38
[21:28] <zmoylan-pi> 42
[21:28] <diddledan> 56 - I win!
[21:29] <zmoylan-pi> no no i had the ultimate answer to life the universe and everything...
[21:30] <daftykins> but what's the question?
[21:30] <zmoylan-pi> the earth is still working on that, but how far it gets with a bunch of phone sanitisers is anyones guess...
[21:40] <popey> Azelphur: when you have 5 mins. my brother needs a new phone, 100 quid or so, camera and ease of getting music on it are important (no subscription service).
[21:40] <popey> Azelphur: he found a motorola razr (intel 1GB ram) and I said "NO!"
[21:40] <Azelphur> popey: is that literally all that is important? really any phone can do that
[21:41] <popey> He's not a nerd
[21:41] <popey> I want to find the 'best' phone he can get which will last
[21:41] <Azelphur> new or used?
[21:41] <popey> pay as you go
[21:41] <popey> well, that's a good question
[21:41] <popey> be nice if it had more than 1GB RAM
[21:43] <Azelphur> well, you can get a Nexus 5 for £100 ballpark, It should in theory fit "will last" since it has 2GB RAM and it's supported by Google for a while longer
[21:43] <Azelphur> and then you could put whatever musicy software on it you want
[21:44] <daftykins> unlike my 4 ;_;
[21:44] <popey> yeah, good call
[21:44] <popey> reckon you can get an n5 for 100 quid!?
[21:45] <popey> ooh, ebay 115 quid for 16GB Nexus 5!
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> 16gb is a little lite for holding music, no?
[21:46] <daftykins> for a phone with no card slot, yep
[21:46] <popey> true
[21:56] <Azelphur> popey: indeed, there are lots on eBay, used for <=100, new from 115ish and up