[01:46] <aladamasceno> olá
[01:47] <aladamasceno> boa noite!
[01:57] <bazhang> !br
[01:58] <Unit193> Gone the same minute he said that.
[03:27] <xubuntu67w> Hey all. I'm using "Back in Time" to back up some folders. I have a usb flash drive plugged into my desktop. I'm going to leave the usb drive in there permanently and then backup to Back in Time every day. My question is: should I be unmounting the usb drive every time I turn the computer off (and then mounting it when I turn the computer on)? Or is it okay to leave it mounted when I turn the computer off?
[03:29] <xubuntu67w> Is anybody here?
[03:30] <xubuntu67w> Hmm.
[03:31] <xubuntu67w> Nobody, eh? (I guess everybody's computer is working great!)
[03:31] <xubuntu67w> Except mine. LOL
[03:32] <Unit193> On power off all mounted systems should be unmounted by the system, but unless you have something in fstab or somesuch it won't mount 'em.
[03:35] <xubuntu67w> Thanks Unit 193. My Xubuntu 15.04 does automatically mount the usb drives when they're inserted. Anyway, is it safe to leave the usb flash drive in there without unmounting it before I turn the computer off?
[03:38] <Unit193> As stated, yes the system usually unmounts on poweroff.  I was referring to the media being in there during powering on.
[03:40] <xubuntu67w> Well, if I'm planning on leaving the usb flash drive in there permanently it will be in there when I power on.
[03:44] <xubuntu67w> Thanks Unit193. Appreciate the help.
[05:32] <esph> knome: if you're still around, I was finally able to confirm that neither dist-upgrade nor logging in as a new user fixed the problems.
[05:33] <esph> At this point I'm just wishing there was a painless way to migrate to a different distro. Ah well...
[06:06] <function9x> upgrading to vivid
[06:06] <function9x> ???
[06:07] <esph> function9x: was that directed at me?
[06:07] <function9x> yes
[06:08] <vrkalak> function9x, but, 'willy werewolf" is expected out in 3 days?
[06:08] <esph> function9x: nah, my sister just consistently encounters problems when using the standard "Software Updater" to do suggested updates on her laptop (14.04)
[06:09] <esph> The most recent update messed up a bunch of things including some icons, applets, and how some parts of windows are displayed
[06:09] <function9x> esph: I know cause I'm using that version
[06:10] <esph> function9x: you have the same problem?
[06:10] <esph> It seems stupid to me that routine updates are making problems like these.
[06:11] <function9x> esph: I disabled all updates and notifications. I just wait till the next release.
[06:11] <function9x> esph: i know
[06:12] <function9x> brb
[06:19] <esph> function9x: so were bunches of your icons changed to generic fallbacks? Did you have applets break? Can you see the minimize, maximize, and close buttons on windows?
[06:20] <esph> Are some of your windows randomly transparent?
[06:36] <esph> The "Software and Updates" utility is also really messed up. Nearly every part of the utility window is blank (stuff is there, it's just invisible)
[06:40] <function9x> esph: I use VMs, luckily I had an old backup with most things working well. So it was an easy replacement. But yeah just weird stuff, not sure if it's a kernel thang or what ever. This tends to happen to almost every distro I've used. Occasionally something gets passed through that is broken. This doesn't happen often just once in awhile.
[06:41] <esph> function9x: I'd be amazed if this had anything to do with the kernel
[06:42] <function9x> esph: yeah what ever it is, the more testers the  better, less of this stuff occurring. I'm thinking of joining the xubuntu testers
[06:51] <flocculant> function9x: we'll be more than happy to see someone do that :)
[06:56] <esph> flocculant: any idea what could lead to the problems I've mentioned?
[06:59] <flocculant> esph: try running it from a terminal - see if that gives a clue, I'll have a quick look - but off to work very shortly, command is software-properties-gtk
[07:00] <flocculant> function9x: http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/ :)
[07:02] <esph> flocculant: the problem with "Software and Updates" was just the last discovered of many problems the system is having, but I'll try it.
[07:02] <flocculant> not been in channel so don't know
[07:07] <esph> flocculant: looks to me like you joined before I did, but anyway, here's some error output: http://sprunge.us/debF
[07:08] <flocculant> mmm - well there's something up there ;)
[07:09] <flocculant> have you tried changing themes to something other than greybird, also logout and try with Other user see if you see the same
[07:10] <flocculant> afraid I've run out of time though
[07:11] <esph> flocculant: a new user didn't fix the problems
[07:11] <flocculant> ok
[07:11] <esph> I'd really like to know some way to get Software Updater or apt-get to fix the mess they made
[07:11] <esph> But they don't seem to think there are any problems :/
[07:12] <flocculant> there probably isn't an issue with those things - but with the themes
[07:12] <flocculant> just quikcly what is this install - clean, upgraded from to?
[07:13] <esph> flocculant: some of the applets also don't work, and some windows are randomly transparent, among other things
[07:13] <esph> flocculant: this happened after a routine Software Updater update (one of the ones it prompts you to do) in 14.04
[07:14] <esph> (trusty)
[07:15] <flocculant> esph: so I assume you have the debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/ - install from there the previous version(s) and see if it fixes it
[07:15] <flocculant> but - I really gtg now - sorry
[07:15] <esph> flocculant: versions of which things exactly though? (sorry)
[07:16] <flocculant> whatever you updated to cause the problem to show up
[07:16] <esph> ugh
[07:16] <esph> who knows what that was
[07:17] <flocculant> /var/log/apt/
[07:17] <Unit193> Check  apt list | grep installed,loc  what's missing from the xubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-core tasks, or perhaps debsums.
[07:17] <esph> Yeah, I know there are logs of what updated, but I also know it was a whole bunch of things
[07:20] <esph> Unit193: could you extrapolate on "loc  what's missing from the xubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-core tasks, or perhaps debsums"? Thanks.
[07:23] <Unit193> `apt list | grep installed,loc` = what's installed but not from any repo; xubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-core are tasks, you can check with `apt-get install xubuntu-core^` and see what it'd install; 'debsums' is a package that checks files against the hashes provided in the package, and will run on all packages if you don't provide a name, eg `debsums -ac`.
[07:23] <Unit193> So, system files that have been modified (not all files in /etc/, but still.)
[07:24] <esph> Ah, that comma threw me off in the first command. Didn't realize grep doesn't need escapes for comma
[07:34] <esph> Unit193: Local packages: http://sprunge.us/AKPW (the second one was expected)
[07:35] <esph> Unit193: debsums is taking a while, and definitely reporting stuff that wasn't directly user-modified. How can fix the stuff it reports?
[07:37] <esph> How can I*
[07:38] <Unit193> First one you can get from the videolan repo.  Can I see that second list?
[07:39] <Unit193> I don't really think this should be the problem either, but something might stand out.
[07:42] <esph> Unit193: Sorry, it just took a while to finish: http://sprunge.us/VeKL
[07:42]  * Unit193 raises eyebrows.
[07:43] <esph> Like I said, there's stuff that's not user-modified in there
[07:43] <Unit193> The heck is going on there?
[07:44] <esph> Several packages affected, it seems
[07:44] <Unit193> I was not expecting that.  So, for anything not in /etc/, you can usually just  apt-get --reinstall install $package, otherwise, you'd have to either rm the file first, or just copy the orig over that.
[07:44] <Unit193> Yeah, I've never seen anything like this.
[07:46] <Unit193> Kind of looks like someone went to town on includes.  Anything in /usr/local/ too, while we're at it?
[07:48] <esph> Unit193: you mean to ask if there's anything in /usr/local/include ? if so, then no.
[07:53] <esph> Unit193: There are things in /usr/local/share and  /usr/local/lib though
[08:00] <Unit193> Anything unexpected?
[08:07] <esph> Unit193: it seems the stuff is still mostly nothing: http://sprunge.us/WfZJ (ls -lhR run from /usr/local)
[08:08] <Unit193> esph: Yeah that's fine.
[08:09] <esph> Unit193: working on a list of packages to --reinstall right now, sound appropriate?
[08:10] <Unit193> Sure, though careful with some, nothing seemed too drastic though.
[08:11] <Unit193> You look at the list from  apt-get install xubuntu-desktop^  ?
[08:14] <esph> Unit193: here's what a dry run (-s) shows: http://sprunge.us/UJdG
[08:17] <Unit193> You'll likely want to swap out the LTS stack from utopic to vivid, or wily soon, since utopic is EOL'd.  That's just swapping out the LTS stack and upgrading python, so yeah nothing interesting there.
[08:20] <esph> Unit193: and here's the list of packages for which debsums reported at least one missing file: http://sprunge.us/WcdQ
[08:21] <esph> Seem OK?
[08:22] <Unit193> sudo too?  Huh.
[08:22] <esph> debsums: missing file /usr/include/sudo_plugin.h (from sudo package)
[08:22] <esph> yep
[08:24] <Unit193> esph: Well suffice it to say that you surely don't have the usual experience!
[08:25] <esph> Is there some smart way I can give that whole list to apt-get? I've got it in a file.
[08:25] <Unit193> sudo apt-get --reinstall install `cat mylist`
[08:35] <esph> Unit193: A while back, there was a bug with Samsung EVO firmware (the SSD in the laptop) that caused stuff to go haywire when trim was enabled. The system had trouble booting at that time, and I resolved it, but I'd guess this stuff has something to do with that. Weird that the symptoms took a while to show up though.
[08:37] <esph> The resolution to the booting problem may have involved some heavy-handed use of fsck :P
[08:49] <esph> Unit193: argh; after the reinstall and a reboot, stuff is still messed up. Could it be one of the changed files instead of the missing ones?
[08:52] <Unit193> Most of the modified ones weren't that interesting.
[08:55] <esph> Unit193: Here's the new result of debsums -ac: http://sprunge.us/SOCO I tried again to reinstall the package that still shows two files missing, but they still show as missing.
[08:58] <esph> Could there also be some other important things (maybe for xfce specifically) that wouldn't be found by debsums?
[09:00] <Unit193> Can't think of anything that wouldn't be fine in the guest session.
[09:01] <Unit193> Your ~/.cache/session or .config/xfce4 could be, but...  Could also try turning the compositor off.
[09:02] <knome> esph, using any PPAs? and which repositories do you use? the main or a local one?
[09:09] <esph> knome: I think everything's pretty standard besides a couple PPAs: http://sprunge.us/jUZh
[09:10] <knome> esph, did you post a screenshot at some point? i'd be interested in seeing that
[09:10] <esph> knome: one sec, I'll try to get something up
[09:11] <esph> I'm also getting an error dialog box now when logging in to the guest account. Can't really see what it's about though since the body is invisible
[09:26] <esph> knome: when trying to use the xfce screenshotter, I'm getting "Image type 'png' is not supported"
[09:26] <knome> aha...
[09:27] <knome> are you sure the SSD is working as it should?
[09:28] <esph> knome: in which way would you like me to check? I can do fsck or a SMART test if you want.
[09:29] <knome> well i don't know really...
[09:35] <esph> knome: everything is fine according to fsck
[09:44] <esph> Unit193, knome: "Sorry, Ubuntu 14.04 has experienced an internal error." Below that: "If you notice further problems, try restarting the computer." Below that: invisible stuff (presumably the more informative part of the error message).
[09:44] <esph> This error dialog appears most of the time when logging into the Guest account, and occasionally when logging into a real user account.
[09:45] <artag> that sounds like an error message that escaped from windows. 'if it's borked, reboot'
[09:46] <artag> s/if/when/
[09:46] <esph> artag: Well, not quite. There is more to the error message, but like I said, that part is invisible due to problems on the system.
[09:49] <esph> I know something's there because I can see the outline of what I believe is a text region when I mouse over it (and it looks like other dialog boxes which I know have invisible stuff in them since I've seen them before and after this problem started)
[09:50] <knome> esph, the reason i was asking about the SSD is that you seem to have a lot of error messages that we haven't seen before...
[09:51] <knome> esph, so while fsck might say it's fine... maybe it isn't letting the system read the files properly?
[09:53] <esph> knome: I don't know how that could even be possible. I can make and read and delete files fine myself.
[09:53] <knome> esph, hardware error?
[09:53] <knome> i don't know, i'm just guessing
[09:53] <esph> knome: fsck would complain if there were hardware errors
[09:53] <knome> since you have problems with the guest account too, it's likely the core system that is broken
[09:54] <knome> esph, well, maybe...
[09:54] <knome> but anyway, if reinstalling totally ruled out?
[09:54] <knome> *is
[09:55] <esph> knome: firstly, speaking of the system reading files, could it be a file permissions problem somewhere?
[09:55] <knome> that's always possible, but then it would take a lot of time to actually debug that
[09:56] <esph> knome: actually, debsums should have caught that, right?
[09:57] <knome> probably, but i'm not 100% sure
[09:57] <knome> were you using some proprietary drivers?
[09:58] <esph> No
[09:59] <esph> knome: in case you missed it, here's the output of debsums -ac: http://sprunge.us/SOCO (there were a bunch more things before, but I got them with --reinstall)
[09:59] <knome> i saw that
[10:00] <knome> well, it could be something
[10:00] <knome> Package: libgbm-dev (10.1.0-4ubuntu5)
[10:00] <knome> generic buffer management API -- development files
[10:02] <knome> though it's "old.*"
[10:03] <esph> knome: those files weren't reinstalled even though I used apt-get install --reinstall on the package
[10:03] <knome> i saw that too
[10:04] <esph> Don't know what that means
[10:04] <knome> if you referred to my comment, i meant that i've glanced through the backlog
[10:05] <esph> Ah, no; I mean I don't know the significance of --reinstall not getting those two files that debsums thinks belong to that package.
[10:15] <esph> knome: is there a sensible way reinstall without having to manually reinstall all the extra packages that were on the old system?
[10:16] <knome> esph, not really...
[10:16] <knome> you can get the list of packages you have manually installed
[10:16] <knome> if that helps
[10:23] <esph> knome: ugh, apt-mark showmanual outputs nearly as long as apt-mark showauto. I definitely didn't manually install all of those things; it must pull in dependencies or something.
[10:32] <knome> esph, well, i didn't say the process was perfect... :)
[10:33] <esph> knome: would you happen to know the actual program name by which I can invoke the "UbuntuInstaller"? In classic Ubuntu docs fashion, the the page for it linked here doesn't exist: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuReinstallation
[10:33] <Unit193> Also all default packages are marked as manually installed, just deps aren't.
[10:33] <esph> bah, that sucks, no wonder
[10:33] <Unit193> So, grab a manifest and compare. :D
[11:22] <abb0> i guess this may be a firefox issue, but when i download a file and goto open it via firefox "open containing folder" option and it opens thru nautilus instead of thunar
[11:23] <cfhowlett> abb0, firefox settings
[11:23] <abb0> is there any reason i need to have nautilus in xubuntu?
[11:23] <abb0> could i uninstall it without affecting anything on the system?
[11:23] <cfhowlett> abb0, or you could just direct ffox to use thunar instead
[11:24] <abb0> im trying to figure that out as we speak ;)
[11:24] <abb0> just hate having 2 file managers on my os
[11:25] <abb0> or is there some underlying reason to have both
[11:26] <flocculant> abb0: why do you have nautilus? did you install xubuntu-desktop ontop of an existing ubuntu install or similar?
[11:26] <cfhowlett> abb0, what xubuntu are you on?  I'm on 14.04 and ... not nautilus
[11:26] <cfhowlett> *no* nautilus
[11:26] <abb0> ahhh perhaps it installed as a dependency with some other file?
[11:26] <abb0> i have no idea im on 14.04
[11:27] <abb0> im about to reformat it anyways so i just was unsure if nautilus came with the os. glad to know my bone-head arse somehow installed it.
[11:27] <abb0> i didnt knowingly do it. unless it came with the restricted extras i installed
[11:28] <cfhowlett> nope.
[11:28] <abb0> only been using linux halfa year so im still new
[11:28] <abb0> sorry for the confusion, thanks for clearing it all up
[11:28] <abb0> ;)
[11:28] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[13:12] <abb0> one last question promise ;)
[13:13] <abb0> when i set my terminal to transparent background and have it say hovering over a firefox or thunar window it doesnt show either, it's like it see's through them and to the wallpaper
[13:14] <abb0> or is this already known
[13:14] <abb0> issue already known*
[13:15] <cfhowlett> abb0, transparent.  what did you expect?
[13:16] <abb0> right but when other terminals do it they usually show other windows that are in the background. or perhaps its b/c i dont have something ticked on my end
[13:16] <abb0> like usually behind the terminal you'd see the firefox window or thunar window
[13:16] <abb0> it wouldnt just be whatever part of the wallpaper is on the other side of where-ever the terminal is
[13:17] <abb0> not a big deal at all i was just making sure it wasnt human error like before :)
[14:48] <slee> hello, i think the header update this morning trashed something for google earth
[14:49] <slee> can someone with google earth installed check theirs?
[14:49] <slee> i get the splash screen, then main window opens for like 1-2 seconds then closes
[14:50] <slee> err, sorry, kernel update
[15:54] <uupz> hello
[15:55] <uupz> so is xubuntu the same as ubuntu except that it uses XFCE?
[15:55] <uupz> because i did the command sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop, rebooted, and used XFCE now
[15:57] <Pici> yep
[15:57] <Pici> !flavors
[15:59] <Jeaton> i installed xubuntu-desktop in ubuntu, everything went good and all, but it did change my login boot screen
[15:59] <Jeaton> anyway of changing it back?
[15:59] <uupz> i do like XFCE a lot
[16:00] <uupz> i was using Unity before, was a little slow on my laptop.  I read about Xubuntu so I just installed it
[16:00] <uupz> much smoother
[16:02] <Pici> Jeaton: you can ask for lightdm to take over again, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[17:42] <xubuntu54w> knome... we spoke yesterday night about my linux zhich didnt have any free space... and I said I had a / and /home folder..
[17:43] <xubuntu54w> ad I didnt understand why I got this mesage when I did a software update..
[17:45] <xubuntu54w> can anybody help please?
[17:46] <morf> i don't know
[17:47] <morf> i don't think everybody knows about your problem, so maybe try ask again
[17:47] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: what's actually the issue currently?
[17:48] <morf> you had some problem with space... generally you obviously need to have enough hard drive space to install any OS including xubuntu
[17:48] <morf> + some free space for updates and stuff
[17:48] <xubuntu54w> flocculant.... i have a message saying I dont have enough free space when I run a software update
[17:49] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: yes - as we saw yesterday you're full up - yesterday you were going to reinstall with / and /home
[17:49] <morf> xubuntu54w: how much space do you have?
[17:49] <xubuntu54w> or i have 15gb for the / folder and 20gb for the /home folder...
[17:49] <morf> well
[17:50] <morf> depends how much sw you use
[17:50] <morf> but 15 gb can easily be filled
[17:50] <xubuntu54w> flocculant... yes I didnt do it yet...
[17:50] <morf> i'm using 32gb for system
[17:50] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: please re-run df -h|pastebinit
[17:50] <morf> that's usually enough
[17:50] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: right well http://paste.ubuntu.com/12865705/ is from yesterday
[17:50] <flocculant> you don't have /home you only have /
[17:50] <xubuntu54w> and all my files documents, pictures, etc... are on my partition windows.. so  I dont understand.
[17:50] <flocculant> and it is full
[17:51] <xubuntu54w> flocculant... I ca make a creenshot of gparted if you prefer..
[17:51] <flocculant> nope - that won't help :)
[17:51] <morf> i would suggest you to use single partition /
[17:51] <xubuntu54w> ok
[17:51] <morf> you can have data from home somewhere else
[17:51] <morf> and link them to your home
[17:52] <morf> or whatever method will suits you
[17:52] <xubuntu54w> morf... as I am a beginner in Linux I would have no idea how to do it...  :)
[17:52] <morf> 35gb should be certainly enough
[17:52] <morf> k
[17:53] <xubuntu54w> flocculant:  knome gave me this link and I read it again and again...  http://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation/343370#343370
[17:54] <xubuntu54w> I did exaxtly what's written point by point... s I din't understand...
[17:55] <xubuntu54w> flocculant: the only thing I dont understand is what knome said...  to mount the home folder...
[17:55] <flocculant> that's during install
[17:55] <flocculant> I'll be back
[17:55] <xubuntu54w> but in the link it is not explained at all... or it is dome automatically when you install xubuntu ?
[17:55] <xubuntu54w> ok
[17:56] <flocculant> morf: what xubuntu54w needs is help with the Something Else option in the installer
[17:56] <flocculant> bl
[17:56] <flocculant> bbl
[17:56] <xubuntu54w> flocculant: i used the "something else.."
[17:58] <xubuntu54w> the only I didnt do and written in the link is:  the /boot and /tmp folders.. I didn't create them and the swap partition was a logical partition... nothing less nothing more..
[18:07]  * morf just hides
[18:12] <xubuntu54w> I have some 3 unallocated spaces on my partition.. does anybody know how to have the 3 unallocated spaces in 1?
[18:13] <xubuntu54w> and to put it at the end?
[18:15] <bekks> xubuntu54w: You have to move partitions, after creating backups.
[18:17] <xubuntu54w> bekks: how do I move them??
[18:17] <bekks> xubuntu54w: By using a tool like the gparted live cd.
[18:17] <xubuntu54w> ok
[18:18] <bekks> xubuntu54w: And remember to backup ALL of your data BEFORE.
[18:18] <xubuntu54w> ook
[18:20] <xubuntu54w> bekks: thanks !!
[18:31] <opsman> Please allow me my 2cents...
[18:32] <opsman> xubuntu54w: make your backups...boot to live cd..start gparted and delete all partitions.
[18:32] <opsman> create partitions based on setup you prefer
[18:33] <opsman> dual boot?
[18:33] <bekks> No need to delete partitions and start from scratch.
[18:33] <opsman> If no..create one partition ext4...run install.
[18:33] <bekks> No need to reinstall everything.
[18:34] <opsman> Your absolutely correct...with the exception that a new user needs to be aquianted with the process
[18:34] <bekks> Even for a new user there is no need to reinstal everything This isnt Windows.
[18:34] <opsman> so for the future...if you crash the system. You know how to start from scratch.
[18:35] <bekks> In case of a system crash: Restore your backup. No need to start from scratch again.
[18:38] <opsman> Your totally correct...but those backups your talking about won't work so well when he starts distro hopping..
[18:39] <bekks> I'm not caring about distro hopping, I'm using Ubuntu.
[18:39] <opsman> and we all know that distro hopping is a part of the new to linux expereince.
[18:39] <bekks> Thats an assumption only.
[18:40] <opsman> totally,,
[18:40] <bekks> Lets stick on the facts instead.
[18:41] <opsman> what facts
[18:41] <bekks> That no reinstallation is necessary for moving partitions with gparted, which perfectly answers his initial question.
[18:47] <opsman> sorry bekks..your correct about the initial question. I interjected answer to a question from another session in a different window. My bad..apologies.
[19:01] <xubuntu54w> bekks: opsman:  ok... but if I delete all partitions it means I have to reinstall everything aagain... what I will prefer not to do if possible...
[19:01] <bekks> xubuntu54w: So dont do it then.
[19:02] <xubuntu54w> and I agree with opsman... it's better to learn the hard way to know what you have to do in case of a problem !
[19:02] <bekks> xubuntu54w: You've been suggested what to do without reinstalling.
[19:03] <xubuntu54w> bekks:  I will do it... because I want to understand why I dont have my / and /home folder when I install xubuntu even if I follow the steps in the link given above
[19:03] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: that's simple - you didn't tell the installer to do that ;)
[19:03] <bekks> In which link?
[19:04] <flocculant> http://askubuntu.com/questions/343268/how-to-use-manual-partitioning-during-installation/343370#343370
[19:04] <xubuntu54w> thanks flocculant
[19:05] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: exactly what setup do you have > sudo fdisk -l | pastebinit
[19:06] <xubuntu54w> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12878965/
[19:06] <a1fa> i need a new 4button mouse with scroll wheel with high dpi that has programmable dpi with linux
[19:07] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: mmm - I don't have experience with gpt
[19:07] <flocculant> if you df -h does that still look like it did yesterday?
[19:09] <xubuntu54w> flocculant:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/12878990/
[19:12] <xubuntu54w> flocculant.  bekks.  is my installation so bad??  :)
[19:14] <bekks> xubuntu54w: I dont know. Just use gparted live for moving your partitions as you have been told already. And dont forget to create backups before.
[19:15] <xubuntu54w> bekks: ok.
[19:15] <bekks> xubuntu54w: You couls have been done by now already, If you'd started after getting your answer... :P
[19:15] <flocculant> that doesn't make sense to me - but as I said, no real idea with gpt
[19:16] <xubuntu54w> flocculant  bekks: I will see.. I will delete all the partitions and will start from scratch and will come back to you this week end.
[19:16] <xubuntu54w> and we will see...
[19:17] <bekks> Why are you asking if you are ignoring the answers?
[19:18] <xubuntu54w> my last question:  do you know how to a full hard drive encryption - which has 2 partitions, 1 for windows 1 for linux - ??
[19:19] <bekks> Technically impossible.
[19:19] <bekks> There is no encryption method natively being used by both Linux and Windows.
[19:21] <xubuntu54w> bekks... ok..
[19:22] <sim642> Is there a simple way to change the screen brightness changing step? On the low end one press of my laptop's brightness keys causes a rather radical change and I can't get a brightness inbetween
[19:22] <knome> xubuntu54w, some hardware might support that, but it's not common, at least yet
[19:23] <xubuntu54w> bekks  knome: your advice if I wanted to encryptthe hard drive? to have only 1 operating system?
[19:23] <xubuntu54w> or 2 hard drives inside the laptop?
[19:23] <xubuntu54w> that's the only solution?
[19:23] <flocculant> xubuntu54w: encrypt the partitions when you install - you'll need windows help for windows
[19:24] <knome> xubuntu54w, you can encrypt the partitions individually, but not at once
[19:25] <xubuntu54w> knome.. you mean for xubuntu to encrypt the home folder...  but for windows... how to do it?
[19:25] <knome> for windows, you'll need to refer to the windows documentation and support channels
[19:26] <xubuntu54w> ok
[19:28] <xubuntu54w> thanks guys for your help !
[21:06] <xubuntu72w> hello
[21:06] <knome> hello
[21:07] <xubuntu72w> im stuck for like hours ;_;
[21:07] <knome> maybe you should call the elevator fixing company
[21:07] <xubuntu72w> hahaha
[21:07] <xubuntu72w> good one
[21:07] <xubuntu72w> cant install xubuntu, its not seeing partitions
[21:07] <xubuntu72w> searched the web for it but .. nothing
[21:07] <knome> can't see what partitions?
[21:08] <xubuntu72w> well, i have windows 7 installed on the primary hard drive and used unetbootin to boot within the same hard drive since my pc cant boot with usb or dvd
[21:08] <xubuntu72w> now i want to install xubuntu
[21:08] <xubuntu72w> and in gparted he does sees the partition but not in the install
[21:09] <xubuntu72w> i read on the web i have to shrink the partition but gparted is not allowing me
[21:09] <xubuntu72w> sorry for the bad english though
[21:13] <xubuntu72w> i hope you can understand me ;_;
[21:17] <drc> your english, yes...your problem, no, not a clue.
[21:18] <xubuntu72w> dont know how to say it in clear english..
[21:19] <xubuntu72w> ubiquity doesnt see my partitions but gparted does
[21:19] <drc> Sorry, I understand the problem/your english.  I just have no idea on a solution.  I just wanted to let you know your english was good enough to be understood.
[21:20] <mpmctoo> Hi folks, Running Xubuntu 15.10 and loving the improvements, unfortunately I have some audio glitches that weren't present in 14.04, I'm listening to Music via Chrome (was Chromium) and the audio randomly skips, any solutions / suggestions? Many thanks.
[21:21] <xubuntu72w> drc: ah, thanks for trying :)
[21:25] <flocculant> xubuntu72w: if you mean you want to shrink the win7 partition to let the installer start - I would boot windows and use it's disk management to shrink, then just leave some unallocated space - the xubuntu installer will see that empty space
[21:30] <xubuntu72w> flocculant: i have to create a new partition than i guess?
[21:30] <xubuntu72w> flocculant: because i have to install xubuntu within the windows partition
[21:31] <flocculant> no - you have to let windows shrink the partition - then xubuntu will create itself partitions in that new empty space
[21:33] <xubuntu72w> okay, but the files of xubntu are located on my windows partition so its not a problem
[21:33] <xubuntu72w> eventually i want to remove windows
[21:34] <flocculant> not sure what you mean tbh - if by any chance you are talking about Wubi - then don't do that, it's been removed from cd images today for good reason
[21:34] <drc> xubuntu72w: I note you said you can't use USB or DVD, can us use cd's?
[21:34] <drc> to boot from
[21:40] <xubuntu72w> no
[21:40] <xubuntu72w> dont have cds anymore
[21:41] <xubuntu72w> but i have 25gb free disk space
[21:42] <xubuntu72w> not possible to make a new partition special for xubuntu
[21:42] <xubuntu72w> install it on the new partition and delete the ntfs partition and merge it with ubntu?
[21:44] <xubuntu72w> drc:
[21:45] <drc> xubuntu72w: I have have no idea how to do what you obviously want to do.  The question about a cd was an attempt to use Core (a minimal xubuntu that fits on a cd) to install.
[21:47] <xubuntu72w> drc: i can't, dont have cds or dvds and in the bios i cant select for booting with usb
[21:47] <xubuntu72w> drc: but there is an option to enable legacy usb, usb 2.0 but no boot ;_;
[21:47] <drc> Then someone else will have to help you.
[21:47] <xubuntu72w> thank you very much
[21:48] <xubuntu72w> i will try with the partition method in windows
[21:48] <drc> np...sorry.
[21:48] <xubuntu72w> thanks for you help ;)
[21:50] <function9x> mpmctoo: which music?
[21:51] <mpmctoo> function9x: Any, it doesn't matter, but I am getting "snd_hda_intel 0000:00:1b.0: IRQ timing workaround is activated for card #0. Suggest a bigger bdl_pos_adj." in dmesg, trying out a few fixes now.
[23:08] <brianc_>  I installed virt-manager using apt-get and I got 0.9.5 -  however looking at the website, there is ver 1.2 already... Any way to update? Or shall I just uninstall 0.9 and download from the web?
[23:12] <knome> brianc_, for what do you explicitly need the newer version?
[23:13] <brianc_> My version doesn't seem to have the snapshot feature
[23:14] <knome> later ubuntu versions have 1.0.1
[23:14] <knome> if you need the feature, i would try to find a PPA first
[23:25] <xubuntu76w> hello
[23:25] <xubuntu76w> i'm back :)
[23:25] <xubuntu76w> i have xubuntu installed correctly
[23:25] <xubuntu76w> now i want to merge the space from windows to xubuntu
[23:25] <xubuntu76w> i have deleted that partition
[23:26] <xubuntu76w> but i dont know how to merge it without gparted live cd
[23:26] <xubuntu76w> hope you can help me :)
[23:26] <knome> you can install gparted in xubuntu
[23:26] <xubuntu76w> i did that
[23:26] <xubuntu76w> but i can't merge
[23:27] <knome> well yes, you can't merge a mounted filesystem
[23:27] <xubuntu76w> it isnt mounted anymore
[23:27] <xubuntu76w> i deleted that partition
[23:27] <xubuntu76w> windows was located on that partition
[23:27] <knome> but the xubuntu partition is, i suppose, if you are logged in xubuntu...
[23:27] <xubuntu76w> aah
[23:28] <xubuntu76w> how can i change this without a live cd?
[23:28] <knome> you can't
[23:28] <xubuntu76w> damn it
[23:28] <xubuntu76w> that sucks
[23:28] <knome> remember that this is a family-friendly channel
[23:29] <xubuntu76w> im sorry
[23:29] <xubuntu76w> it wasnt ment to you
[23:29] <xubuntu76w> thank you for your time anyway
[23:29] <knome> have fun with xubutnu
[23:29] <Unit193> You may be able to use grml-rescueboot and toram it.
[23:29] <knome> *xubuntu too
[23:30] <xubuntu76w> Unit193: without a live cd it is possible?
[23:30] <xubuntu76w> knome: thank you
[23:31] <Unit193> Might be able to.  Install that package, drop an iso with gparted on /boot/grml/ then  sudo update-grub  and when you boot, select the iso and modify the boot param in the submenu to append 'toram'
[23:32] <xubuntu76w> that seems difficult
[23:32] <xubuntu76w> tutorial somewhere?
[23:34] <Unit193> No idea, might be.
[23:34] <Unit193> LiveCD/USB might be easier.
[23:34] <xubuntu76w> my computer can not boot with usb :(
[23:35] <xubuntu76w> and i dont have cds
[23:38] <brianc_> knome thanks, I got a newer version of virt-manager from getdeb ppa.
[23:46] <esph> How can I get xfce to remember backlight brightness as part of the session save feature?
[23:50] <xubuntu76w> thank you for the time everyone
[23:51] <Unit193> It doesn't already?  Netbook does a decent job as far as I know.  Did you look in xfpms settings?
[23:55] <esph> Unit193: I tried looking around in various settings utilities, but I didn't see anything about it. I don't have any executable starting with "xfpms";  what package is that from?
[23:55] <Unit193> ...That's the Xubuntu team's lazy way of saying xfce4-power-manager, sorry.