[00:49] <rodolfojcj> hello again!
[00:49] <rodolfojcj> here I am again
[00:49] <rodolfojcj> now with my Kubuntu desktop sessions working again :)
[00:50] <ejay> rodolfojcj: congrats
[00:50] <rodolfojcj> for the record, this is what I did:
[00:50] <rodolfojcj> edited .kde/share/config/baloofilerc file to disable Baloo indexing. Result --> didn't work. So Baloo was not the culprit
[00:51] <rodolfojcj> executed the command "rm .kde/share/config/plasm*". Result --> didn't work
[00:52] <rodolfojcj> executed the command "rm -rf .kde" (I previously copied it to another location). Result --> didn't work
[00:53] <rodolfojcj> restored the .kde directory given that removing it didn't solve the issues
[00:53] <rodolfojcj> executed the command "rm -rf .cache/plasma*". Result --> It worked!!!
[00:54] <rodolfojcj> I don't know what exactly was the reason, but "the culprit" seems to be something related to plasma data
[00:55] <rodolfojcj> now I have about 30 minutes working fine and I didn't loose any KDE PIM data
[00:56] <rodolfojcj> so, in summary, along with the tip of deleting the .cache/ksycoca5 file and running kbuildsycoca5, I would add the deleting of the .cache/plasma* files/directories and restarting the system/desktop environment
[00:57] <rodolfojcj> in situations where the KDE5 environment fails with weird issues
[00:57] <rodolfojcj> thanks to all of you who helped me
[02:42] <th3s3_3y3s> Now that the swap is large enough how is hibernate enabled?
[02:43] <th3s3_3y3s> It works on the liveCD.
[02:45] <th3s3_3y3s> lordievader
[02:51] <th3s3_3y3s> jarro and lovinamn what is your affiliation
[02:53] <lovinamn> th3s3_3y3s: student of Northwestern Polytechnical University
[02:55] <th3s3_3y3s> lovinamn: what have you learned so far?
[02:56] <lovinamn> th3s3_3y3s: I'm a newbie of kubuntu, but so far so good
[02:57] <th3s3_3y3s> waitress get us some drinks
[02:58] <th3s3_3y3s> lovinamn: does hibernate function?
[02:59] <th3s3_3y3s> waitress: cherry lime-aide
[02:59] <th3s3_3y3s> lovinamn: What are you having?
[02:59] <lovinamn> th3s3_3y3s: I'm using desktop PC, never tried this function.
[03:00] <lovinamn> H81T + i3-4130T
[03:01] <th3s3_3y3s> lovinamn: Do you have a battery backup?
[03:01] <lovinamn> th3s3_3y3s: you mean UPS?
[03:01] <lovinamn> th3s3_3y3s: no, I don't have any of that.
[03:02] <th3s3_3y3s> hibernate can be used when the power goes out
[03:03] <lovinamn> th3s3_3y3s: when I use Windows, I always disable this function by "powercfg -h off"
[03:04] <th3s3_3y3s> why
[03:05] <lovinamn> th3s3_3y3s: the partition usage of C could be reduced.
[03:05] <th3s3_3y3s> it is a useful feature
[03:07] <lovinamn> th3s3_3y3s: if it's good for you, just enable it:)
[03:07] <th3s3_3y3s> they can send sigkills to your powerlines
[03:12] <th3s3_3y3s> why dont you have an i7?
[03:15] <lovinamn> th3s3_3y3s: Asus H81T is Thin Mini ITX form factor, max CPU TDP 35W.
[03:15] <lovinamn> th3s3_3y3s: That's why.
[03:16] <th3s3_3y3s> nice
[03:16] <th3s3_3y3s> does the power supply have surge protection?
[03:18] <lovinamn> th3s3_3y3s: the Dell power adapter definitely have wide AC input (110-230V), I don't know if it can handle  surge protection
[03:20] <calher> Hi. I am about to install Kubuntu 15.10 Beta 2. Does the installer know how to install alongside an already-installed Windows 10 partition?
[03:22] <th3s3_3y3s> so you buy something that uses only 35 watts and dont want hibernate?
[03:22] <th3s3_3y3s> something that small can have a DC power supply.
[03:23] <th3s3_3y3s> calher: Don't do dual boot.
[03:24] <lovinamn> th3s3_3y3s: I'm using a DC power supply right now, like a laptop power supply.
[03:24] <calher> th3s3_3y3s: Why? I can't touch the Windows 10.
[03:24] <th3s3_3y3s> In that case buy a batter for it and enable hibernate.
[03:24] <th3s3_3y3s> Save power.
[03:25] <th3s3_3y3s> calher: it is messy
[03:26] <calher> th3s3_3y3s: How?
[03:26] <lovinamn> calher: try kubuntu in virtual machine is another option.
[03:26] <th3s3_3y3s> Don't do it.
[03:27] <th3s3_3y3s> It also replaces the bootloader.
[03:27] <th3s3_3y3s> You know what they say "Keep your friends close and enemies closer."
[03:27] <calher> Why does my mom have to use Windows...
[03:28] <th3s3_3y3s> Don't do it.
[03:30] <th3s3_3y3s> What you have is competing hashes.
[03:30] <th3s3_3y3s> NTFS and whatever hashing is done on linux.
[03:30] <th3s3_3y3s> So the thing can do predictions.
[03:32] <th3s3_3y3s> Your life has been mostly governed by the 26 character system.
[03:35] <th3s3_3y3s> It is not that bad really.
[03:36] <th3s3_3y3s> Unless you desire something beyond it.
[03:36] <calher> What if I just use NTFS for /?
[03:37] <calher> No, that still does GRUB.
[03:37] <calher> Ugh...
[03:37] <th3s3_3y3s> It is going to cause problems.
[03:37] <calher> Why do people grow up using Windows...
[03:38] <th3s3_3y3s> Windows also makes its network and kubuntu will crack it.
[03:38] <lovinamn> Why do people grow up using computer...
[03:39] <th3s3_3y3s> Now they use some firmware instead of bootloaders.
[03:39] <th3s3_3y3s> And kubuntu installs grub it can break your windows network.
[03:39] <th3s3_3y3s> Pick one or the other or seperate them on different machines.
[03:40] <calher> I want my Coreboot back...
[03:46] <th3s3_3y3s> branch predictions lovinamn
[03:51] <th3s3_3y3s> you could get your bones vibrated to pieces by crystals
[03:54] <th3s3_3y3s> polytechnic lovinamn it is a possibility
[03:54] <th3s3_3y3s> what can you do to prevent this?
[03:56] <lovinamn> th3s3_3y3s: I'm not following......
[04:14] <th3s3_3y3s> lovinamn: problems and solutions
[04:14] <th3s3_3y3s> you write a solution
[04:15] <th3s3_3y3s> problem is crystals vibrating your bones to pieces
[04:15] <th3s3_3y3s> how can you survive with all of the flouride
[04:16] <th3s3_3y3s> now your bones can get sore from constant vibrations attacking them
[04:18] <th3s3_3y3s> the flesh code reproduces at a high rate
[04:18] <th3s3_3y3s> what if your flesh code can reproduce faster than light
[04:19] <th3s3_3y3s> the bone form and the flesh code
[04:19] <th3s3_3y3s> do you want to visit Seazme street?
[04:20] <th3s3_3y3s> light tends to not obey
[04:21] <th3s3_3y3s> but it does obey when acted upon by a greater force
[04:23] <th3s3_3y3s> this can get messy
[04:27] <th3s3_3y3s> see what you have is a polytechnic orthodoxy
[04:28] <th3s3_3y3s> and then there is an unorthodoxy
[04:30] <th3s3_3y3s> ````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
[04:33] <keithzg> Wow, I didn't realize I was working so late that it was already troll o'clock
[04:33] <th3s3_3y3s> Hi Oldiesmann
[04:35] <adrian_1908> hello. Is there a way to have KDE's language in (American) English while setting other regional settings to German?
[04:36] <adrian_1908> I want germany keyboard, CET timezone, Metric system, but en_US language.
[04:36] <th3s3_3y3s> you have polytechnic and then a possibility of omnitech with omni tech the best way to describe it is holographic
[04:37] <keithzg> adrian_1908: Yup, that should be entirely seperable.
[04:37] <th3s3_3y3s> with the whole
[04:38] <keithzg> adrian_1908: Your keyboard layout can be changed by you to whatever you want it to be, that shouldn't affect your language settings per se. That's under System Settings -> Input Devices -> Keyboard (at least with KDE4, I think it's still the same with Plasma 5)
[04:39] <keithzg> There you can set your keyboard model to whatever you like.
[04:39]  * th3s3_3y3s Shoeumann
[04:39] <keithzg> adrian_1908: Then under System Settings -> Locale -> Country/Region & Language there are a bunch of tabs, and in each you can change the settings to whatever you want.
[04:40] <keithzg> For instance, I'm in Canada but have my language set to American English. Meanwhile I do have it set to Metric as the measurement system, because that's the official measurement system of Canada and also makes WAY MORE SENSE than Imperial ;)
[04:41] <adrian_1908> keithzg: sorry one moment, my mouse is acting up.
[04:41] <keithzg> And I have my short date format set to the more reasonable "YYYY-MM-DD" and all that.
[04:42] <keithzg> adrian_1908: No worries, the synopsis is, you can indeed change all of those settings individually, so you can have your keyboard, language, timezone, measurement system, etc all set to whatever you wish :)
[04:42] <keithzg> adrian_1908: It should all be *relatively* obvious when you open up System Settings and start poking around.
[04:44] <adrian_1908> keithzg: Back. Ok thanks, I was already looking into regional setting. It seems that setting time format to German (24h etc.) makes the language of it German. My KDE applications are in English (I installed Kubuntu in English) but I noticed the Clock/Calendar being German.
[04:45] <keithzg> adrian_1908: What version of Kubuntu are you running?
[04:45] <adrian_1908> 15.10
[04:45] <keithzg> Ah, maybe things have been (overly) simplified there. Hmm. Let me fire up a VM.
[04:46] <adrian_1908> Hehe ok, only if it's not too much of an inconvenience.
[04:46] <keithzg> Naw, I was planning on downloading the ISO and setting things up to help with testing anyways if I get the time.
[04:47] <keithzg> I'm still at work here at nearly 23:00 local time and waiting for things to finish but not much else to do ;)
[04:48] <adrian_1908> I see, thanks. I used Xubuntu before, where I think formatting and language were separated, so you could e.g. set dd.mm.yyyy or something like that, but have English day/month names filled in for those symbols.
[04:49] <keithzg> Yeah, and at least with older KDE versions (I'm running the 14.04 LTS here at work since that's also what our servers run) it's also all separated. I'm a bit surprised that it wouldn't be anymore in Plasma 5...
[04:49] <keithzg> The endless pursuit of "usability", I guess ;)
[04:49] <adrian_1908> indeed :)
[04:51] <adrian_1908> keithzg: I think I might have found a way. There's a "Default - (C)" options among the languages. If I select that, it appears to combine English language with European time format characeristics.
[04:52] <adrian_1908> *characteristics
[04:54] <adrian_1908> I will have to log-in for it to change (the preview looks right). I'll brb. Thanks for checking!
[04:54] <keithzg> adrian_1908: Cool cool, let us know if that works!
[04:55] <adrian_1908> Ok, it appears to have worked. I now have English day names, but European style formatting :)
[04:56] <keithzg> adrian_1908: Nice :)
[04:57] <keithzg> I still haven't actually fired up the VM because apparently running two Windows 10 VMs simultaneously right now for work purposes is making everything else suuuuuuper slow, heh.
[04:57] <adrian_1908> keithzg: Ok that's good! :)
[05:00] <adrian_1908> Ok, back to configuring and restarting. Have a good night where you're at!
[05:08] <keithzg> :)
[05:23] <hateball> If only it was night and not 07:23
[06:17] <freeroute> ok, well I've surrendered and just went for the full Kubuntu desktop instead of a Kubuntu desktop without all of the pre-installed programms.
[06:19] <freeroute> but now I'm wondering how I can have windows on the panel not persist when I'm switching to different desktop.
[06:22] <hateball> freeroute: Yes, you can
[06:23] <hateball> freeroute: rightclick, settings, only show from current desktop/activity
[06:29] <freeroute> sorry, my laptop suddenly decided to poweroff :(
[06:35] <hateball> freeroute: rightclick, settings, only show from current desktop/activity
[06:39] <freeroute> hateball: do I have to do that for every window? What if I want to have it for all windows per default?
[06:48] <hateball> freeroute: what, no. you edit settings for the task manager plasmoid in the panel
[06:49] <hateball> freeroute: are you on plasma 5 or kde 4.x ?
[06:49] <freeroute> I'm on Kubuntu 15.04
[06:49] <hateball> as I am currently on 4.x the settings may have moved in 5... but they are there regardless
[06:51] <freeroute> ah, task manager settings on the panel, found it :)
[06:56] <freeroute> also how do I scale things to be a bit smaller, I have quite a low resolution and everything is so big :D
[06:57] <hateball> freeroute: you can change DPI settings if you like
[06:57] <hateball> altho that is for fonts I guess
[07:46] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:47] <freeroute> lordievader: g'mornin'
[07:47] <lordievader> Hey freeroute
[07:47] <freeroute> sup!
[07:48] <lordievader> freeroute: Not much, waking up. How are you?
[07:48] <lordievader> Hey th3s3_3y3s
[07:48] <freeroute> experimenting with my first steps in KDE
[07:49] <freeroute> so far so good, it's pretty awesome and it looks like I can customize it to my workflow
[07:49] <freeroute> options seems to be a bit scattered, but so far I can find most of the stuff I'm looking for.
[07:50] <lordievader> KDE 4 was more scattered ;)
[08:00] <freeroute> heh, well I'm looking forward to P5 :)
[08:00] <freeroute> ideally I'd like to separate pre-installed apps and the DE
[08:06] <freeroute> there's this really annoying bug that resets the scrolling position once 2 fingers have been lifted from the touchpad. Might be the vbox thing though.
[08:07] <yofel> well, most preinstalled apps come from KDE and are supposed to be used together with the DE
[08:07] <yofel> except firefox and libreoffice, but you can uninstall those if you want
[08:14] <freeroute> yofel: I don't think I need everything in Education, or Konversation, Akregator, IM Contacts, Kmail, K3b, Amarok, Dragon player etc. etc.
[08:16] <yofel> right, probably not
[08:18] <freeroute> yofel: so, especially in regards to the upcoming 15.10, do I have to install the full Kubuntu and then uninstall apps one by one or can I also get like a Plasma "light" experience?
[08:21] <yofel> Lets say it like this: We don't support anything but a full install. You *can* do a minimal/server GUI-less install, install kubuntu-desktop with --no-install-recommends and then select what else you need, or just install what you want yourself. But nobody tested something like that, so you're on your own to make a working system if you go that route
[08:24] <freeroute> yofel: if I can sacrifice myself to be the first one to test it like this, would support be considered then? :p
[08:25] <yofel> probably not... but installing kubuntu-desktop without recommends *should* actually work, so if something is completely broken when doing that feel free to file a bug
[08:25] <yofel> you can also send a mail to the kubuntu-devel ML with a proposal why you belive supporting something like kubuntu-minimal would be worth the effort
[08:32] <freeroute> yofel: me and someone I know are going essentially the same direction in terms of experimenting with KDE. Actually that guy even proposed having Kwin as a tiling WM lol (but that approach has been very undocumented as of now). Right now we're trying to get our feet wet with KDE and configure our workflow that way.
[08:32] <freeroute> I've tried doing the kubuntu-desktop without recommends approach, but it seems that it doesn't activate x11 for some reason.
[08:33] <freeroute> that other guy is the one that likes to file bugs so I'll ask him to take a look at it whenever he comes online.
[08:34] <yofel> oh, that's fun. kubuntu-desktop *depends* on sddm-theme-breeze, but that *recommends* sddm, so you probably end up without a DM
[08:34] <yofel> right, so the depends/recommends could indeed use a review
[08:44] <lordievader> freeroute: Going that route does require a bit more thought. Like you said you need to manually install x11. The same counts for some other things which may or may not be working (some packages add extra functionallity and are only recommended).
[08:52] <claycorne> :3
[09:44] <freeroute> how can I decrease virtual desktop switching time?
[09:45] <freeroute> I can only set the on-screen-display time-out.
[09:45] <lordievader> What version of Kubuntu?
[09:47] <freeroute> 15.04
[09:47] <lordievader> freeroute: Disable the switching animation.
[09:47] <freeroute> well is there any way of just making it faster?
[09:47] <freeroute> I know I can disable it, but I just like it to be a bit faster.
[09:48] <lordievader> There used to be (plasma 4) but it seems like it has been dropped.
[09:48] <freeroute> :(
[09:49] <freeroute> why on earth did the devs do that :S
[09:50] <freeroute> curious: If I save my configs now, will they also work in Kubuntu 15.10 or does that maintain a whole different structure?
[09:57] <lordievader> freeroute: I think they have good reason. Read mgraesslin's blog of a few days ago.
[09:58] <lordievader> No, the config between plasma5 versions stays the same.
[10:01] <freeroute> lordievader: you mean this one? http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/10/some-thoughts-on-the-quality-of-plasma-5/
[10:01] <lordievader> Yes, indeed.
[10:02] <freeroute> k, I guess I have my reading cut out for me :)
[10:28] <freeroute> damn, reading that really scared me by exposing me to all possible levels where it could go wrong.
[10:28] <freeroute> lordievader: the issues seem mostly with Intel drivers, but what I wonder is... do these also concern the open source Intel drivers?
[10:30] <lordievader> Is there a closed source one?
[10:31] <freeroute> I remember those integrated ones in Intel GMA days (I think it was during the Core2Duo periods)
[10:32] <freeroute> but if it _is_ the open source ones, then that's seriously messed up if there are bugs _in the drivers_ and the Intel team (or whoever is working on the drivers) are not fixing them.
[10:33] <freeroute> like... those are open source drivers, not some binary blob ones.
[10:34] <lordievader> That something is opensource, or closed source, doesn't mean it is free of bugs.
[10:35] <freeroute> right, but it does mean that with open source projects, (obvious) bugs can be resolved much more quickly.
[10:36] <lordievader> Not many people understand such low level stuff.
[10:36] <lordievader> Writing proper drivers is rather difficult. Especially if you do not know how the hardware works.
[10:37] <freeroute> isn't there a team at Intel basically getting paid to work on the OSS driver?
[10:37] <lordievader> Think so.
[10:37] <hateball> It's not like it automatically is bugfree because it's either OSS or have paid developers
[10:38] <lordievader> ^ that.
[10:38] <freeroute> of course it won't be bug free, but when there are bug reports, the team working on those drivers are supposed to fix them.
[10:38] <lordievader> 'Supposed to' and 'do' are two completely different things.
[10:39] <freeroute> and reading those blog posts it sounded to me like it took a really long time and required a lot of workarounds until those Intel driver bugs got resolved.
[10:48] <freeroute> are these the open source drivers for Intel cards? https://01.org/linuxgraphics/community/mesa
[10:49] <lordievader> freeroute: http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/
[10:49] <lordievader> so https://01.org/linuxgraphics/community/kernel
[10:54] <freeroute> thanks, I hope the more people being heard on issues the higher the chance of resolving the problem.
[10:54] <hateball> freeroute: mesa is already in the kernel, if you need bleeding edge use xorg-edgers ppa
[10:55] <freeroute> the sole reason I chose for an Intel GPUs over nVidia or AMD is that I would have less hassle with the graphics.
[10:55] <hateball> To be fair, nVidia is pretty hassle-free these days
[10:55] <freeroute> the open source driver you mean?
[10:56] <hateball> Well.... no.
[10:56] <hateball> It works, unless you have the latest GPUs
[10:57] <freeroute> ah but if you mean the closed source driver it only works with certain kernels IIRC
[10:57] <freeroute> and I'd imagine troubleshooting to be much more complicated.
[10:58] <hateball> freeroute: with DKMS it's no problem
[10:59] <freeroute> I'm just thinking... if Vulkan comes to fruition, wouldn't it relieve a lot of those points of failure in that long chain?
[10:59] <hateball> No
[10:59] <hateball> Vulkan is just an API, you still need a driver that supports the API
[11:00] <hateball> So without a kernel module to load, you're not getting much of anything regardless of what API an application tries to use :)
[11:01] <freeroute> but the idea is that Vulkan people (which involves a lot of big names already) work together with the driver people (and hardware people) to support that API.
[11:01] <hateball> Sure, and it's entirely possible to support Vulkan in a closed source blob
[11:01] <freeroute> so all the "dirty" work would be done by collaboration between Vulkan + driver devs + hardware manufacturers, right?
[11:02] <hateball> anyhows, vulkan is primarily for gaming
[11:02] <hateball> freeroute: see http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/08/thoughts-on-vulkan-in-kwin/ for instance
[11:03] <freeroute> oh there's a blog post on it already, cool.
[11:08] <freeroute> IMO "It's not designed for this purpose." doesn't necessarily mean that "It won't cure some of our headaches.", but then again I'm not really qualified to have an opinion on this.
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:29] <freeroute> BluesKaj: hi :)
[12:29] <BluesKaj> hey freeroute  :-)
[12:40] <freeroute> lol I installed some recommended drivers in the vbox VM and I shouldn't have done that lol
[12:41] <freeroute> now desktop is so broken
[12:45] <freeroute> well that's great it can't even switch to TTY1 -_-
[12:48] <freeroute> oh yay at login screen I can go to TTY1 :D
[12:48] <BluesKaj> never liked VBox , flakey, ran kvm-qemu for a while, but I realized that Vms aren't my cuppa tea so I reverted to dual boot
[13:02] <freeroute> BluesKaj: yeah, too far from the metal eh? :p
[13:02] <freeroute> btw, I'm ready to save my config files. Which ones should I save? Everything in ~/.config/kde* and everything in ~/.config/plasma* ?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> freeroute, always something important to me on VMs that fail
[13:03] <freeroute> if that's the case, then just backup the data to a safe place and treat the VM like dirt.
[13:07] <BluesKaj> I'd sooner avoid the problems by using a set up that works, less immediate, but workable nonytheless
[13:09] <BluesKaj> nonetheless even
[13:16] <darthjessn> hola a todos
[13:17] <freeroute> what about those sweet snapshots though?
[13:18] <freeroute> my git commit of my config files is going to have the message 'Add ALL the KDE config files :D'
[13:23] <BluesKaj> freeroute, sweet snapshots ?
[13:27] <freeroute> BluesKaj: like I can snapshot a state in vbox, create a clone out of it, continue destroying that VM, revert back to that snapshot and continue working from that snapshot (or clone of that snapshot) to a totally different direction.
[13:29] <freeroute> for example - http://i.imgur.com/Fw6BUq2.png
[13:34] <BluesKaj> i don't need to muck about with that kind of thing being a home user, but I keep a stable Kubuntu 14.04LTS as my main OS while testing dev OSs..all my media stuff is on a separate hdd
[14:04] <freeroute> +1 for media on separate HDD
[14:05] <freeroute> I have my media on separate HDDs and sensitive info on also separate HDDs.
[16:02] <unascribed> can anyone point me in the right direction for writing a kwin effect?
[16:06] <BluesKaj> unascribed, #kubuntu-devel
[16:06] <unascribed> alright, thanks
[16:07] <BluesKaj> unascribed, or #kde
[16:07] <unascribed> oh, the KDE irc is on freenode too?
[16:07] <unascribed> actually that should've been pretty obvious
[16:07] <BluesKaj> yyup
[16:07] <BluesKaj> heh
[16:33] <[Akeno]> Hi everyone!
[16:33] <[Akeno]> I've got a problem...
[16:33] <[Akeno]> Currently my system is starting up from a live session.
[16:34] <[Akeno]> But I don't have any drives except for that one.
[16:34] <BluesKaj> and ?
[16:34] <[Akeno]> It's a 500GB WD Elements
[16:34] <[Akeno]> And I want to install my kubuntu on that drive.
[16:34] <[Akeno]> Any way to keep the live session active and install it on that drive as well?
[16:35] <[Akeno]> Partitioning again would be a way, but unmounting isn't possible to re-partition the drive.
[16:36] <BluesKaj> ake do you intend to usew the whole drive ?
[16:36] <[Akeno]> No. Only 200GB of it would be enough.
[16:37] <[Akeno]> After booting in the fresh (installed kubuntu) partition I'd like to use the rest of the space to mount /home to it.
[16:39] <BluesKaj> I ususlly find it easiest to partition the drive ahead of time to 2 partitions, then install the OS to / (about 15G) and set a mountpoint in the installer for a /home dir/partition
[16:39] <[Akeno]> Maybe a grub partitioner would be able to do that then?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> [Akeno], gparted on live media is the best choice
[16:40] <[Akeno]> But can I edit that live USB's partitions then?
[16:41] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:41] <[Akeno]> I'm currently installing gparted, hope that works out well then :)
[16:42] <BluesKaj> that's exactly what I do , it takes a bit more time , but there's no fooling around with the partition editor on the live OS installer
[16:43] <[Akeno]> I can't unmount the /dev/sdb: Device is busy (live session is running)
[16:44] <[Akeno]> http://imgur.com/QZJgKTz
[16:44] <BluesKaj> I put gparted on it's own media either usb or cd
[16:44] <BluesKaj> much simpler
[16:44] <[Akeno]> But I don't have any drives that I can flash it onto...?
[16:45] <BluesKaj> [Akeno], then you'll have to choose manual partitioning on the live-OS installer and go from there
[16:46] <[Akeno]> Maybe that's a way indeed. I'll give it a try.
[16:48] <[Akeno]> However, the internal hdd is 1TB but very unhealthy. Much sectors are severely damaged. If I can fix that one somehow...
[16:52] <[Akeno]> I'm currently trying to install it on a usb stick I bought recently but that one keeps on giving me I/O errors.
[16:55] <BluesKaj> [Akeno], use dd to copy the file to your usb stick,  dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/username/someCD.iso , where if=inputfile and of=outputfile
[16:56] <[Akeno]> Hmmm... That approach is possible. Seems like the I/O errors stopped after giving the usb stick a new partition table.
[16:57] <mitarai> hello - could I have a question?
[16:58] <mitarai> is it a bad idea to repackage .deb packages to .rpm?
[16:58] <mitarai> does it often bring any issues?
[16:59] <[Akeno]> I don't know, didn't work with Fedora yet. But the pure logical approach would be using the package provided by Fedora?
[17:01] <[Akeno]> But if you really need to, it wouldn't be a bad idea to test it into a sandbox first.
[17:01] <BluesKaj> actually if you place the iso in your home dir then dd if=~/nameof.iso of=/dev/usb , where if=inputfile and of=outputfile
[17:02] <BluesKaj> fedora? what?
[17:02] <[Akeno]> .rpm packages are fedora, isn't it?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:03] <[Akeno]> Yeah, I'll need to do that - but can dd bypass the I/O errors?
[17:03] <BluesKaj> this is kubuntu support
[17:03] <sithlord48> when you change an rpm to a deb . it "should" work but you may need additional dependcies from what the rpm has .(package names are not always the same) its prefered to use the deb installer if poissible
[17:03] <[Akeno]> Hmmm... Seems like mitarai's question affects both debian and fedora distros, so he isn't really at the wrong place :)
[17:03] <mitarai> I just asked whether it is a bad idea or not, also vice versa, if RMP packages are repackaged to DEB, if it brings any issues
[17:04] <sithlord48> your success iwll really depend on how complicated the rpm is .ifs its a simple extract a few files to here kind of package you hsould be ok if it needs lots of post/ pre scripts it might not work so well
[17:05] <BluesKaj> dd copies bit for bit, it's a clean way to copy iso files to media which alaso makes the media bootable when finished, but it can be dangeroeus if care isn't taken to copy to the correct target
[17:05] <mitarai> I'm really sorry I used this channel, but I didn't find any other IRCs and I'm slightly in a hurry. Just wanted to know, if for example Spotify, which is .deb only, should work after repackaging in other distros. Nothing more, nothing less.
[17:05] <[Akeno]> Yeah. It hasn't got the fame for being Data/Disk Destroyer for nothing haha
[17:06] <[Akeno]> But if used correctly it's really powerful.
[17:07] <[Akeno]> mitarai: I don't know whether Spotify is the "really complicated package" sithlord48 mentioned, but I guess it will at least be a bit of re-working the .rpm package...
[17:07] <[Akeno]> Isn't there a tarball of it?
[17:08] <mitarai> is it?
[17:08] <sithlord48> mitarai:  this ?? http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-install-spotify-in-ubuntu  ??
[17:08] <[Akeno]> I don't know, I'll look it up - grant me a few minutes.
[17:09] <sithlord48> or from their site.. https://www.spotify.com/uk/download/linux/ mitarai
[17:09] <mitarai> that's a deb package :)
[17:09] <mitarai> I'm using it at the moment here in Kubuntu
[17:09] <[Akeno]> sithlord48: That's the debian? I guess a raw package should be at Git or so :)
[17:10] <mitarai> I don't believe such a propietary software would let their code fly out like this, but I'll check
[17:10] <[Akeno]> https://github.com/leamas/spotify-make
[17:10] <sithlord48> [Akeno]:  the keyserver is the ubuntu one .. either way it hsould be alright
[17:10] <[Akeno]> Yeah, there you got a point mitarai
[17:11] <[Akeno]> But to recompile it... Seems like there is a Git repository, so the raw package approach should work.
[17:11] <mitarai> however, my question was answered, so I won't waste your time anymore... I'll figure out everything else myself. Many thanks!
[17:11] <[Akeno]> You're welcome :)
[17:11] <sithlord48> yeah your welcome
[17:12] <[Akeno]> Now back at the Gparted / installation... I should be able to dd it then?
[17:12] <[Akeno]> I'll be off then downloading and dd'ing it :)
[17:12] <sithlord48> [Akeno]:  i mised most of your problem
[17:13] <[Akeno]> Yeh I wanna try installing the Kubuntu on the same drive my live session is using right now.
[17:13] <BluesKaj> [Akeno], I do a lot of OS testing so I keep a live gparted/usb and cd around for various situations involving partitioning requirements, a very handy tool to have.
[17:13] <sithlord48> that might be a tad tricky
[17:14] <sithlord48> also what BluesKaj just said
[17:14] <[Akeno]> Yeah, if even possible haha
[17:14] <[Akeno]> And for the Live USB, if possible I'll put it on the 16GB usb and keep it out there.
[17:14] <BluesKaj> ok , BBL in 20 mins or so.
[17:14] <sithlord48> live should run from ram .. so you need to umount the media your using and see what happens.. problem is when you unmount root your gonna lose e programs not in use already such as the ability too run dd
[17:16] <[Akeno]> Hmm... If I run Gparted, unmount, create new partition, restart it would be okay?
[17:16] <[Akeno]> However a workaround of the Device is busy error would come in handy then.
[17:17] <sithlord48> the device is mounted its busy..
[17:17] <samueke> ciao a tutti
[17:17] <[Akeno]> Yeah
[17:17] <sithlord48> i would suggest you use a different disk for the install target.
[17:18] <samueke> you speak italian?
[17:18] <[Akeno]> I currently have three: the live usb, the HDD (heavily damaged, not safe to install it on), and the usb which keeps on giving I/O error.
[17:18] <samueke> ok good bye
[17:18] <[Akeno]> So the live usb would be teh best approach
[17:19] <sithlord48> unless you can figure out your I/O error.. bad port or something ?
[17:19] <[Akeno]> Maybe... It's a usb 3.0 stick, currently it's on a 2.0 port.
[17:20] <[Akeno]> 2 usb ports, from which the live usb is also a usb 3.0 - and it's using the 3.0 port.
[17:21] <sithlord48> maybe you can try to make your live usb presistent ? untill you get a drive to install on "properly"
[17:22] <[Akeno]> Hmmm... Persistent as in installing on it or booting from it all the time?
[17:22] <sithlord48> persistant as in it will save the settings to the stick between reboots
[17:23] <sithlord48> that will keep you running untill you can get a drive
[17:23] <[Akeno]> I don't know how to do that.. The live usb is made using unetbootin.
[17:24] <sithlord48> and your in parted live as yoru boot disk
[17:24] <sithlord48> ?
[17:24] <[Akeno]> No currently I'm in live session kubuntu
[17:25] <sithlord48> oh then if you can get the iso you cna use the built in usb start up creator it has an option for presistent
[17:25] <sithlord48> of course you still need a working usb.. .. can you partiton part of your TB drive to use as os ? that is if you know where your bad sectors are
[17:27] <[Akeno]> sudo badblocks /dev/sda would come in handy then. But it certainly would take a long time :S
[17:27] <sithlord48> i thinkk ubcd has a tool for this that marks them as bad so they are not used.
[17:28] <[Akeno]> ubcd?
[17:28] <[Akeno]> What's that tool called?
[17:28] <[Akeno]> Can it be installed in kubuntu?
[17:28] <genii> !ubcd
[17:28] <sithlord48> idk let me see if i can find the list of tools on ubcd
[17:29] <genii> Hm
[17:29] <[Akeno]> Okay :)
[17:29] <sithlord48> hdat2 i think its the name and i think it needs to be run from the cd its looks like an old dos tool
[17:30] <sithlord48> you cna get ubcd from here http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[17:30] <[Akeno]> Okay I'll look it up. Has kubuntu got the tool in their repos and so on
[17:31] <murthy> hello everyone
[17:32] <murthy> BluesKaj: hi, how are you?
[17:32] <sithlord48> [Akeno]:  you can use 'badblocks -svn /dev/sda' to have the controller remove the sectors from the list of ones the hdd can use
[17:32] <sithlord48> [Akeno]:  replace /dev/sda with your device (naturally)
[17:32] <[Akeno]> Ohh okay :)
[17:32] <[Akeno]> Can I follow it's progress somehow?
[17:33] <sithlord48> idk never used it just found this here http://askubuntu.com/questions/291570/mark-bad-sectors-on-hard-drive-without-formating/490549#490549
[17:33] <BluesKaj> Hi murthy fine here, and you?
[17:34] <murthy> I am fine too
[17:34] <[Akeno]> Yep, it has a percentage done and time elapsed displayed.
[17:34] <sithlord48> [Akeno]:  iirc teh vv options is very verbose output mode
[17:34] <murthy> BluesKaj: what time can we expect the release?
[17:35] <[Akeno]> Well, this badblocks for a 1TB drive is gonna take a long time, so I'll watch some anime in the meantime :)
[17:36] <BluesKaj> murthy, not sure, the devs never specify a particular hour, anytime during the day, but iirc usually after Noon in the UK
[17:36] <sithlord48> it should remove the blocks frmo use so your gonna have a smaller drive when its done . depends on how many bad blocks you have
[17:36] <sithlord48> good luck [Akeno]
[17:36] <murthy> BluesKaj: do we have to enroll to test the iso?
[17:37] <murthy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/347/builds
[17:37] <[Akeno]> Okay, thanks a lot :)
[17:37] <sithlord48> your welcome
[17:38] <BluesKaj> the final test OS out, I just DL'd it, murthy http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/347/builds
[17:39] <BluesKaj> ok you already have it, fine , try your luck :-)
[17:39] <murthy> downloading the iso
[17:39] <murthy> have you tested?
[17:40] <BluesKaj> not yet , just about to burn it
[17:41] <murthy> ok, can I use a pendrive to test?
[17:41] <BluesKaj> murthy,, yes
[18:04] <[Akeno]> After 30 minutes of waiting for the badblocks command it's still at 0.06%, is this normal? It's a 1TB drive I'm clearing of bad blocks.
[18:05] <[Akeno]>   0.06% done, 31:56 elapsed. (0/0/0 errors)
[18:07] <[Akeno]> It did 500MB on 30 minutes, which means it's slower than the drive can handle.
[18:08] <[Akeno]> 278kbps...?
[18:13] <[Akeno]> At this speed it would be a task of 42 days :O
[18:30] <sithlord48> [Akeno]:  bad blocks takes some time yes. i think you can use the -c switch to increase the blocks read at a time.
[18:49] <[Akeno]> sithlord48: Should I give it a value then? With dd it's bs=4M or so. However, that changes the block size, and this command is all about those blocks.
[18:51] <sithlord48> [Akeno]:  that second link i sent you eariler suggest using " -c 262144 "
[18:52] <[Akeno]> sithlord48: In the manual -b specifies the block size, where -c changes the parrallel reads. By default it's 64
[18:52] <sithlord48> [Akeno]:  you don't want to read larger blocks just more of them
[18:53] <[Akeno]> So if it tests 262k blocks of 1kB each the speed is...
[18:53] <[Akeno]> 262 mb/s, right?
[18:53] <sithlord48> [Akeno]:  im not sure honesly but that sounds correct
[18:53] <[Akeno]> kubuntu@kubuntu:~$ sudo badblocks -svn -c 262144 /dev/sda
[18:53] <[Akeno]> badblocks: Cannot allocate memory while allocating buffers
[18:54] <[Akeno]> Is there anything I did wrong in that command?
[18:54] <sithlord48> guess you need a smaller -c
[18:54] <[Akeno]> Ohh okay :)
[18:54] <[Akeno]> I changed it to 1024, now it works well.
[18:55] <[Akeno]> In this half a minute it did .04% already.
[18:55] <sithlord48> much better lol
[18:55] <[Akeno]> Indeed :D
[18:56] <[Akeno]> It seems to be stuck at 0.05% though.
[18:57] <sithlord48> maybe bad section ?
[18:57] <[Akeno]> Could be, would it be busy clearing it then?
[18:59] <[Akeno]> IIRC my hard drive can reach up to 30-50mb/s.
[18:59] <sithlord48> i usually just run bad blocks and walk away till the next day
[19:00] <[Akeno]> If I run it thru the night.. Would be around 50% next day on 30mb/s or so
[19:03] <[Akeno]> And since streaming does not affect the hard drive I can do that as well (iirc that goes thru ram)
[19:03] <sithlord48> also its gonna depend on how much ram you have for buffer space .. (less because your running live os too)
[19:24] <keithzg> Is it possible to set per-window capslock toggling?
[19:24] <keithzg> (couldn't care less for myself, but my officemate was wondering)
[19:25] <sithlord48> keithzg:  i don't think so
[19:26] <keithzg> sithlord48: Drat.
[19:26] <keithzg> I was hoping I'd just never run into how to do that thanks to my lack of worry about it.
[19:30] <edenique> hello guys ! i  need help  with an openvpn connection
[19:31] <edenique> im a very very noob with ubuntu . rather say linux
[19:32] <sithlord48> edenique:  perhaps you can find what you need here https://openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html
[19:33] <keithzg> edenique: What part of the connection are you having issues with?
[19:33] <keithzg> edenique: And what version of Kubuntu are you running?
[19:33] <edenique> keithzg:  ubuntu v 14.04
[19:34] <keithzg> edenique: Ubuntu, or Kubuntu?
[19:34] <edenique> i download private network privacy and for some reason i dont have openvpn or openssl
[19:34] <edenique> ubuntu
[19:35] <keithzg> edenique: You should probably ask in #ubuntu rather than here in #kubuntu, then! But what do you mean that you don't have openvpn or openssl?
[19:36] <edenique> i have no idea .. on the network vpn setting i dont have the option of openvpn
[19:36] <keithzg> I mean, OpenVPN is not installed by default, so your first step should probably be to open your package manager (I think in normal Ubuntu the default is the Ubuntu Software Center) and install it from there.
[19:36] <keithzg> Alternatively you can open a terminal and run the command "sudo apt install openvpn".
[19:37] <sithlord48> you might wanna ask about that in #ubuntu since the network manager has a different front end in ubuntu / kubuntu
[19:37] <edenique> can you tell me why under windows it is very easy to setup a vpn but under linux its a pain
[19:38] <edenique> certificate blablah
[19:38] <keithzg> Now I'm suspecting you're just trolling us.
[19:38] <edenique> i need a certificat to connect on my own vpn mikrotik  wtf
[19:38] <edenique> im not
[19:38] <sithlord48> you sould need that on windows too
[19:39] <edenique> i swear . piece of cake on window
[19:39] <keithzg> Yup, the OpenVPN config we run at work needs all the same stuff whether you're on Windows, Linux, Android, iOS, or whatever.
[19:40] <edenique> hum..
[19:40] <sithlord48> was easy on kubuntu i just added the certificite i was given and it connected...
[19:40] <edenique> can i make my own certificate to log on my mikrotik ?
[19:41] <sithlord48> i never set up the sever i have just connected to a few
[19:41] <keithzg> Go ahead and make your own certificate, I sincerely doubt your VPN provider will let you on :P
[19:41] <keithzg> Zero clue what "mikrotik" is.
[19:42] <edenique> wisp stuff
[19:42] <bprompt> of course, tis so obvious /me ducks
[19:42] <keithzg> bprompt: hehe
[19:42] <edenique> wire less internet services provider
[19:43] <keithzg> edenique: Do you have the same .ovpn config file you used on Windows, then? And any files that were along with it in your OpenVPN config folder on Windows?
[19:43] <bprompt> hmm isp's are a dozen a dime, so :)
[19:43] <edenique> i own a small wisp .. and that vpn make my life easyer lol
[19:44] <edenique> keithzg is there a way i can import it ?
[19:45] <keithzg> edenique: I was more going to say, if you do have that then you can also just run "sudo openvpn --config whateveryourconfigfileisnamed.ovpn" and that should work fine to see if you really do have everything you need.
[19:45] <keithzg> Also, OpenVPN configs usually aren't too complex, so you can just look at the .ovpn file in a text editor and figure out what is required.
[19:46] <keithzg> But, as *repeatedly stated*, this is #kubuntu, not #ubuntu, so we can't walk you through the GUI for this that Ubuntu's desktop environment uses, you should ask on #ubuntu if you need such help.
[19:46] <edenique> keithzg: nice thanks alot i will be back in a few hours ..
[19:46] <edenique> alright .. thanks for the help guys
[19:47] <keithzg> No problem, and best of luck.
[20:08] <linux> hello
[20:08] <linux> i need help installing the software
[20:09] <Dred> i need help installing the software
[20:10] <Dred> do i have to use a virtial machine to install
[20:10] <Dred> ????????????
[20:10] <Dred> anybody
[20:10] <BluesKaj> Dred, no
[20:10] <Dred> how do i install Kubuntu
[20:10] <BluesKaj> live media with a bootable image
[20:10] <Dred> the download file is an iso
[20:12] <BluesKaj> yes, burn the iso to a cd or use dd to copy the iso to a usb stick
[20:12] <Fritigern> Dred: Have a look at https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/Installation , I'm sure it will help.
[20:12] <BluesKaj> there are other options for usb
[20:16] <BluesKaj> !usb
[20:16] <BluesKaj> oops , too late
[21:10] <DRE83> NABEND
[21:11] <DRE83> KANN MIR JEMAND BEI CONKY HELFEN
[21:12] <Unit193> !de
[21:13] <DRE83> CAN SOMEONE HELP ME WITH CONKY IN SIMPLE
[21:34] <Guest59160> guten abend
[21:34] <Guest59160> kann mir jemand mit conky weiterhelfen
[21:41] <keithzg> Oooh! My rusty German is good enough that I'm pretty sure you said "Can someone help me with Conky", right?
[21:41] <keithzg> ;)
[22:18] <finetundra_> hey folks, I'm trying to connect to an irc server but I was told by irssi that I need to install identd. How do I do that?
[22:18] <excalibr> Which settings in Plasma5 control whether or not window is draggable when you click and drag the window content?
[22:18] <finetundra_> oops, wrong channel
[22:27] <phoenix_firebrd> I have installed kubuntu 15.10 final and the installation went smooth. I see some faster boot time. The opensource nvidia drivers are not ok. on login the bottom panel loads after a very long delay. most of the bugs in 15.04 are gone
[22:28] <phoenix_firebrd> Thanks to all the hardwork done by you all