lotuspsychje | got ota7 on bq now | 02:16 |
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zwobbl | Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 10. Flashing results in the error "mkdir /root/.cache: permission denied". | 02:43 |
ahoneybun | the N10 has not been updated in awhile zwobbl | 02:44 |
ahoneybun | from my understanding | 02:44 |
zwobbl | So it is just broken and I'm not doing something wrong? | 02:45 |
ahoneybun | the error is odd | 02:46 |
ahoneybun | but it might be broken a bit as wel | 02:46 |
lotuspsychje | !devices | zwobbl | 02:46 |
ubot5 | zwobbl: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 02:46 |
zwobbl | Well, the Nexus 10 is listed and I followed the instructions linked by this page | 02:48 |
lotuspsychje | zwobbl: wich channel did you install | 02:54 |
zwobbl | ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu | 02:55 |
zwobbl | huh, it should not be run as root ... now it's doing something | 02:57 |
lotuspsychje | zwobbl: try devel-proposed maybe | 02:58 |
zwobbl | thy for the hint | 02:59 |
lotuspsychje | zwobbl: not sure wich channel worsk best for n10 | 03:02 |
lotuspsychje | zwobbl: but nexus7 does best on devel-proposed | 03:02 |
zwobbl | rc-proposed is also available for manta | 03:03 |
ahoneybun | I thought devel0-proposed was off? | 03:09 |
lotuspsychje | ahoneybun: devs told me devel-proposed works best for tablets | 03:10 |
lotuspsychje | so running fine on n7 here ahoneybun | 03:11 |
ahoneybun | oh for tablets maybe | 03:11 |
ahoneybun | maybe I heard for phones | 03:11 |
* ahoneybun does not have a tablet | 03:11 | |
ahoneybun | that I can run Ubuntu anyway | 03:11 |
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luigi | hello, im willing to buy a nexus 7 2013, and i want to install ubuntu on it, is there any video tutorial about it? | 04:07 |
lotuspsychje | hmmm does google still sell n7? | 04:42 |
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mokmeister | Contacted wickr re Ubuntu Touch app and got this response: "Thanks for the suggestion, we are not currently working on that. The more users contact us about this request the higher priority it will receive with our development team." | 06:01 |
mokmeister | I also pretty much got the same response from Swivel a couple of weeks ago. | 06:04 |
mokmeister | btw, I still don't see OTA-7 landing in my updates, even after restarts. This is on a bq e4.5 and nexus 4 | 06:05 |
blacksoil | Hey all, since the updated porting guide is based on AOSP instead of Cyanogen, is there another resources to do cyanogen? | 06:11 |
blacksoil | I have an unused HTC one m7, I'd like to port ubuntu-touch onto it | 06:12 |
lotuspsychje | blacksoil: have you check XDA forums for existing projects? | 06:29 |
dholbach | good morning | 06:36 |
zzarr | good morning | 06:43 |
zzarr | where's my mouse cursor :-( | 06:43 |
zzarr | when I connect a bt keyboard and mouse to my mx4 there's no mouse cursor (it might be cursed?) | 06:44 |
m0n5t3r_ | am I the only one whose Aquaris E4.5 fails to boot after upgrades / flashing if there is no SD card inside? | 07:04 |
m0n5t3r_ | I just had this happen this morning (rebooted to get latest rc-proposed update applied, got the "take this to an authorized service center" screen) | 07:06 |
m0n5t3r_ | flashed the adb-enabled recovery, /tmp/recovery.log ends with http://paste.lug.ro/131496 | 07:08 |
m0n5t3r_ | turns out the micro SD I had inside died recently, I can't mount it on a computer either | 07:08 |
* m0n5t3r_ hopes ubuntu-device-flash won't wipe the data | 07:09 | |
m0n5t3r_ | yay, it's alive | 07:18 |
m0n5t3r_ | "contact sync update required" wat | 07:19 |
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ogra_ | popey, hrrrrm ... | 08:48 |
ogra_ | popey, davmor2, if you guys open the terminal and tap the most right entry of the custom keys, does the terminal die for you ? | 08:49 |
ogra_ | oh man ... | 08:50 |
davmor2 | ogra_: you mean ctrl+D | 08:50 |
ogra_ | so thats CTRL-D ... doing what it should ... but -D is scrolled off the screen and it sits at a position where my thumb sometimes is before typing | 08:50 |
popey | hah | 08:51 |
lotuspsychje | yep terminal crashes here on bq ota7 | 08:51 |
ogra_ | o wonder if we could re-order that :) | 08:51 |
ogra_ | *i | 08:51 |
ogra_ | i closed it three times by accident before i noticed | 08:51 |
popey | lotuspsychje: its not crashing | 08:51 |
ogra_ | it does what it shoudl if you hit ctrl-d | 08:52 |
popey | it's exiting :) | 08:52 |
lotuspsychje | right | 08:52 |
ogra_ | just bad usability .... | 08:52 |
ogra_ | well --- s/bad/not the best/ | 08:53 |
ogra_ | :) | 08:53 |
davmor2 | ogra_: just use the E4.5 then ctrl+Z is the one on the end issue solved | 08:53 |
* ogra_ goes and mounts the 4.5 screen onto his mx4 | 08:54 | |
JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Back To The Future Day! 🙌 The future is now! | 08:54 |
ogra_ | ! | 08:55 |
popey | we can certainly move ctrl+d somewhere else | 09:00 |
popey | it's a "one line" fix | 09:00 |
ogra_ | it is awfully close to the "open keyboard" button that way too | 09:01 |
ogra_ | (at least in portrait on mx4) | 09:01 |
zzarr | ogra_, still no mouse cursor on my phone when a bt keyboard and mouse is connected | 11:09 |
* ogra_ never connected a mouse | 11:09 | |
ogra_ | talk to the mir guys :) | 11:09 |
zzarr | okey, will do :) | 11:10 |
ahoneybun | zzarr: there is something in a silo somewhere that makes it work, talk to mhall119 | 11:17 |
ogra_ | ahoneybun, well, it was supposed to land soon | 11:17 |
ogra_ | i guess zzarr expects that it would have been in OTA7 | 11:17 |
ahoneybun | ogra_: yea soon but not sure of the date | 11:17 |
zzarr | ogra_, I don't expect it, I wonder if some one is looking at it | 11:18 |
ogra_ | hah | 11:19 |
ogra_ | its the #1 focus of many people | 11:19 |
ogra_ | you can pretty much rely on the fact that *someone* is looking at it :) | 11:19 |
zzarr | okey ogra_, thank you :) | 11:20 |
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Guest42341 | popey, when taping on svg files in file manager i get the sorry, there aren't .. anny apps that can handle bla bla.. but gallery app can open SVGs in OTA7 | 12:02 |
popey | interesting. | 12:02 |
popey | Guest42341: feel free to file a bug against the file manager | 12:02 |
pmcgowan | popey, or gallery, it may need to change its content set | 12:03 |
popey | ahhh | 12:03 |
Guest42341 | oh, i'm not that interested :)) | 12:03 |
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om26er | oSoMoN, Hi1 | 14:03 |
om26er | oSoMoN, Can you tell if I can use webdriver in the webbrowser app ? | 14:03 |
oSoMoN | om26er, alex-abreu worked on that a while back, not sure if the support is complete | 14:06 |
alex-abreu | om26er, oSoMoN yes | 14:06 |
alex-abreu | om26er, you can | 14:07 |
om26er | alex-abreu, do you have any examples somewhere ? | 14:07 |
alex-abreu | yes :) | 14:07 |
alex-abreu | om26er, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webapps-core/trunk/files/head:/webapp-amazon/tests/autopilot/amazon_webapp/ | 14:08 |
om26er | alex-abreu, hm, I saw similar code in lp:ubuntu-system-tests they were tests for the web apps as well. I haven't found an example that does it direct with the webbrowser | 14:09 |
alex-abreu | om26er, there was no attempt to work directly w/ the webbrowser app per se but it should work w/ a minimal update | 14:11 |
alex-abreu | om26er, if it does not, I can help tweak it | 14:11 |
om26er | alex-abreu, I'll give it another try and get back to you, I did try it a few hours ago but webdriver complained about some port etc. Will get back with the exact error. | 14:12 |
alex-abreu | ok please do | 14:13 |
alex-abreu | there should not be any big technical issue there, possibly some tweaks needed | 14:13 |
Guest42341 | Just realised, having ~10 inactive alarms in the #ubuntuphone Clock apps makes the whole phone slower. Phone much smoother after deletion. | 14:18 |
Guest42341 | ^^ https://twitter.com/romangeber/status/656835916426825728 | 14:18 |
Guest42341 | o_O | 14:18 |
seb128 | mardy, dbarth__, do you know what webbrowser-app is used for on unity7 atm? do we still have some sort of webapps support? | 14:18 |
dbarth__ | seb128: webapp support is in webapp-container specifically | 14:29 |
dbarth__ | seb128: not the browser incarnation of the project (they're the same code base in LP) | 14:29 |
seb128 | dbarth__, where is that used/how do I access it as an user? | 14:29 |
dbarth__ | seb128: when you have the unity-webapp-gmail or other key apps instaleld, the desktop file references webapp-container | 14:30 |
dbarth__ | so, you go in the dash, search for gmail, click the icon, and that's what gets loaded | 14:30 |
seb128 | dbarth__, ok, we don't seem to have any webapp on the issue, should we remove the container then? I guess if somebody installs unity-webapp-gmail that's going to pull in what is needed through depends? | 14:34 |
dbarth__ | seb128: the issue? the release you mean? | 14:35 |
seb128 | dbarth__, sorry, meant "on the iso" | 14:35 |
dbarth__ | the container could be removed if no webapp is installed by default yes | 14:35 |
seb128 | great | 14:35 |
seb128 | it's a bit late for wily but maybe next cycle | 14:35 |
dbarth__ | the webapp will pull what's needed; we haven't fiddled with that set of dependencies ;) | 14:36 |
seb128 | k | 14:36 |
dbarth__ | seb128: ah indeed; the seed got modified to remove the extension for firefox, but i haven't seen that no webapp was here by default | 14:36 |
seb128 | unsure why we have webbrowser-app atm | 14:36 |
seb128 | dbarth__, unity-webapps-common is in the desktop seed, it was added with unity-firefox-extension | 14:37 |
seb128 | so seems like that could be dropped | 14:37 |
dbarth__ | alex-abreu: ^^ with no webapp pre-installed, do we need u-w-common anymore? | 14:38 |
mardy | tvoss: do you know if there are plans to make /etc writable? As of now, users have to make the image writable just to enable location-service logs, which renders the process harder than what it should be | 14:43 |
mcphail | and /usr/local please :) | 14:44 |
ogra_ | marthat would completely defeat the pourpose | 14:46 |
ogra_ | mardy, ^^^ | 14:46 |
alex-abreu | dbarth__, mmmh we need it if we want any webapp to work | 14:46 |
om26er | alex-abreu, this is what I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12886079/ | 14:46 |
om26er | while in the same suite, if I run a test for a webapp it works just fine. | 14:46 |
alex-abreu | om26er, do you have a python script handy? | 14:47 |
ogra_ | mardy, what you can do is to either make the file they would edit writable or better introduce some option env var or whatever that they can use | 14:47 |
dbarth__ | alex-abreu: but the dependencies should pull that in automatically; so u-w-common doesn't have to be seeded anymore | 14:47 |
om26er | alex-abreu, its kind of hidden inside the code I have been working with, will try to create a simple script for your so that you can try it as well. | 14:48 |
mardy | ogra_: so, the location service uses env variables to enable debug logs; do you have an alternative suggestion to this one (line 272): https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/location-service/add-documentation-and-tooling/+merge/275006 ? | 14:49 |
alex-abreu | dbarth__, well it is still needed since it also deals w/ webapp installation enablement | 14:50 |
dbarth__ | alex-abreu: which is the chrome extension only at the moment | 14:51 |
mardy | ogra_: it would be nice if one can drop a file in some writeable part of the FS and have upstart read it (for system services) | 14:51 |
ogra_ | mardy, make it read thses vars from somewhere else from a writable loaction | 14:51 |
dbarth__ | alex-abreu: it will be needed once webbrowser-app deals with that | 14:51 |
dbarth__ | hopefully soon now | 14:51 |
alex-abreu | dbarth__, yes, ... | 14:51 |
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ogra_ | mardy, *snap* :) | 14:51 |
ogra_ | so yeah, just add code to the upstart job that sources a file from somewhere if it exists and exports these vars | 14:52 |
ogra_ | mardy, /var/lib/ubuntu-location-service/ seems appropriate | 14:53 |
mardy | ogra_: that sounds like a great suggestion, thanks | 14:53 |
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seb128 | alex-abreu, dbarth, so it seems chrome should recommends the webapps but that -common is not useful on the default Ubuntu iso with firefox? | 16:12 |
kgunn | bzoltan_: hey with qtcreator chroot for development....if you're on the latest updated version...is it already going to have the overlay ppa applied ? | 16:31 |
kgunn | sturmflut_: ^ | 16:31 |
bzoltan_ | kgunn: if you fresh create a new chroot then yes | 16:31 |
bzoltan_ | kgunn: sturmflut_: but existing chroots will not get the Overlay PPA automatically. | 16:32 |
sturmflut_ | bzoltan_: Ah, thanks! | 16:32 |
bzoltan_ | kgunn: sturmflut_: so for old chroots... if there is a reason to kepp them, you need to add the Overlay PPA... but me personally would create a new one.. or ride on the packaged static chroots :) much faster to set up | 16:33 |
kgunn | bzoltan_: thanks! | 16:34 |
sturmflut_ | kgunn: Will take a long time one way or the other today, my internet connection is *very* slow today. | 16:35 |
sturmflut_ | Like sub-megabit slow | 16:35 |
kgunn | ug | 16:35 |
ogra_ | doesnt that make you feel young again ? | 16:36 |
sturmflut_ | Nah, when I was young mzanetti and I shared a 14.4 kBit/s HSCSD setup. The half megabit I'm getting now was stuff from the future back then! | 16:39 |
ogra_ | well, its back to the future day, so that fits nicely ;) | 16:40 |
bzoltan_ | sturmflut_: in that case the ubuntu-sdk-api-15.04 package from the ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/tools-development is your best friend ... like a fresh spring breeze and light like a feather, only today it is 556.9 MiB (you save about 1G compare to click chroot create) | 16:41 |
ogra_ | geez | 16:41 |
* bzoltan_ is a marketing god | 16:42 | |
ogra_ | such sizes ... | 16:42 |
bzoltan_ | ogra_: small, right? | 16:42 |
ogra_ | *cough* | 16:42 |
ogra_ | rrright | 16:42 |
bzoltan_ | do not be like that :D it is the whole bloody platform API with a toolchain and all | 16:42 |
mcphail | ogra_: the unity-3d .deb file is 1GB, plus you still need to install all the mono packages etc. 557MB is _tiny_ | 16:43 |
* ogra_ hugs his snappy | 16:43 | |
bzoltan_ | ogra_: but as I have heard *cough* all snappy apps will size 140MB at least... and that is not big :) right? | 16:43 |
mcphail | ogra_: http://themcphails.uk/snappy.jpg | 16:43 |
ogra_ | who cares about apps :P | 16:44 |
ogra_ | mcphail, HAHAHAHA !!!!! | 16:44 |
bzoltan_ | right ... apps are so last Tuesday | 16:44 |
sturmflut_ | bzoltan_: Okay, in this case I'll just move the heavy processing to the cloud and SSH into my work machines. | 16:46 |
* sturmflut_ has already been occupying a whole rack of Xeon servers for a week | 16:47 | |
bzoltan_ | Occupy Cloud? | 16:47 |
bzoltan_ | sturmflut_: Not a bad way to work :) | 16:48 |
sturmflut_ | lol | 16:48 |
sturmflut_ | Well, Blender needs resources when you're doing it right | 16:50 |
mcphail | sturmflut_: you have a blender render farm? We need one of those for work. Do you rent it? | 16:55 |
sturmflut_ | mcphail: Errr no, I work for a supercomputing facility and somehow turned one of our test clusters into a Blender farm to render the videos for Ubucon | 16:59 |
mcphail | sturmflut_: aah. Nice :) | 17:00 |
* mcphail wishes he had used fewer vertices | 17:01 | |
popey | mcphail: that's brilliant! | 17:01 |
sturmflut_ | Use the vertices, mcphail! | 17:01 |
popey | mcphail: also, i love that only UK people get that :) | 17:02 |
mcphail | popey: too near the bone? | 17:02 |
dbarth | seb128: yes | 17:02 |
popey | mcphail: nope, perfect | 17:02 |
dbarth | seb128: i forgot which project tracks seed updates; but feel free to assign to me and i can propose or sign off on the seed removeal | 17:03 |
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reverse | hey guys, anyone here currently? I have a question about the utouch framework in ubuntu specifically. I want to port the 3 finger drag + pinch, etc. gestures from unity to gnome3 on gentoo, so i was researching about how it actually works on ubuntu/unity | 17:16 |
reverse | i figured out how the utouch framework works, but i can't figure out how it interacts with compiz(?) because the information on launchpad seems very outdated. Anyone care to explain this a bit to me? So far i have grail and frame working, geis is giving me some trouble but i should get that figured out somehow... | 17:17 |
reverse | so the question i have is: does geis interact with grail? or does compiz interact with grail directly? And where is the code for the compiz plugin? There is none on launchpad somehow.. | 17:19 |
dobey | reverse: you might better ask in #ubuntu-desktop or #ubuntu-unity perhaps. this channel is actually about the phone/tablet development, not about touch interfaces in Xorg/compiz :) | 17:23 |
reverse | dobey, alright, i actually thought so, it's just that this channel is linked in the wiki about multitouch support :P well then | 17:24 |
dobey | oh, i guess that wiki needs fixed then | 17:24 |
reverse | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch it's this one | 17:25 |
tvoss | mardy, I would rather propose to provide a debugging api on the service to switch to verbose logging | 17:32 |
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tvoss | mardy, we can alter the flags at runtime without problem | 17:33 |
mardy | tvoss: right | 17:33 |
dobey | wow. "last edited: 2012..." | 17:33 |
dobey | reverse: now it doesn't say that :) | 17:33 |
tvoss | mardy, seems like a cleaner solution to me | 17:34 |
tvoss | mardy, do you think we should file a bug to track or do you just want to get to work? | 17:34 |
mardy | tvoss: either is fine | 17:39 |
tvoss | mardy, whatever you prefer then :) | 18:07 |
mterry | awe, is there a way to poke NM into wigging out and sending lots of signals? I want to fake the situation we hit with wifi fences and loading up dbus-daemon | 19:59 |
awe | mterry, been there, done that... it's what led to my last patch of NM | 20:00 |
mterry | awe, good... Does it still work (and load dbus-daemon)? | 20:00 |
mterry | awe, I'm actually looking at a unity8 bug that seems to happen in that case | 20:00 |
awe | mterry, in order to do so, I had to fake out wpa_supplicant | 20:00 |
mterry | awe, want to reproduce that step | 20:00 |
awe | so if you're asking me if I have a patch, or something I can hand you right now, the answer is no | 20:01 |
awe | I was just looking dbus myself | 20:01 |
awe | specifically, how hard it would be to backport a newer debug feature | 20:01 |
awe | mterry, also when I was in Central Sq | 20:02 |
awe | I really didn't see all that many APs | 20:02 |
awe | not like CES | 20:02 |
awe | ( where there are hujndreds ) | 20:02 |
mterry | Well ok, I won't compare Central with CES :) | 20:02 |
awe | sure, but it's not even that great compared to where I live | 20:03 |
mterry | awe, oh yeah, they added a call that you can make that gives back internal info, right? | 20:03 |
awe | yea | 20:03 |
mterry | awe, I don't know how to explain it. I can trigger it by walking around | 20:03 |
awe | right, I can't | 20:03 |
mterry | awe, it might have more to do with trying to connect to APs and then going out of range than number of APs | 20:03 |
awe | maybe... but again, we need to nail down the scenario | 20:04 |
awe | otherwise we're all just guessing | 20:04 |
mterry | awe, sure... but I'm more interested now in getting any situation that slows down dbus rather than accurately reproducing the scenario for wifi. Though maybe I can restrict dbus's resources on the system... | 20:05 |
awe | I'm talking about dbus | 20:05 |
awe | the original bug reporter blamed WiFi due to the fact that he was running dbus-monitor | 20:05 |
awe | and saw lots of NM dbus signals | 20:06 |
awe | which seemed to correlate | 20:06 |
awe | that said, the original logs from the bug actually show a shit-ton of upstart event-emitted signals | 20:06 |
awe | which seem to be fwd'ing the NM signals | 20:06 |
awe | that said, we tried disabling at least one of the upstart bridges... and it still didn't make a diff | 20:07 |
mterry | awe, yeah... I remember patching upstart to not emit those. As far as I can tell, no one reads those dbus bridge events. and yeah, didn't help | 20:07 |
mterry | Or disabling the bridge or something. Don't remember what I did now | 20:07 |
awe | one last tidbit from jibel ( who is hitting this in bluefin ), he had lots of apps started ( 17+ ) | 20:07 |
awe | my guess is that maybe we're hitting OOM | 20:08 |
awe | and that's killing dbus | 20:08 |
awe | but again, just a guess at this point | 20:08 |
mterry | awe, it does seem to happen more often when the system has been on longer, which makes me think OOM. I have a habit of opening all my apps before testing in the neighborhood | 20:09 |
mterry | awe, but OOM isn't directly killing the dbus process, so I dunno | 20:10 |
awe | I just spent some time chewing thru the upstream dbus git, and didn't see any big smoking guns ( ie. fixes made to later versions ) | 20:13 |
mterry | awe, sudo cpulimit -l 1 -c 1 -p `pidof dbus-daemon` | 20:20 |
mterry | awe, is pretty effective for reproducing behavior of loaded dbus | 20:20 |
mterry | awe, doesn't help track down reasons we see loaded dbus though :P | 20:20 |
mcphail | For me, the dbus spikes seem to be much shorter on OTA7. My phone has been fairly usable at work, whereas previously I would need to switch off wifi before reaching the office | 20:27 |
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mterry | mcphail, awe did make a fix that we think helped, but did not fix things. So that would make sense. Good to get some confirmation data :) | 20:43 |
awe | mterry, one other theory is that we have a bad dbus clent on the system | 20:44 |
awe | which is what the GetAllMatchRules might help find | 20:44 |
awe | also... been starting lots of apps on my phone | 20:45 |
awe | and keeping an eye on dbus-daemon | 20:45 |
awe | one interesting tidbit is watching the output of lsof | 20:45 |
awe | again, lots of conjecture | 20:46 |
mterry | awe, I don't like this bug :) | 20:46 |
awe | me neither | 20:46 |
mariogrip | is it the android hal (qcom hardware) or alsa/pulseaudio in Ubuntu touch that is taking care of switching to headphones when they are plugged in? | 22:29 |
mariogrip | ogra_ or rsalveti: ^ | 22:36 |
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