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lotuspsychjegot ota7 on bq now02:16
zwobblHi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 10. Flashing results in the error "mkdir /root/.cache: permission denied".02:43
ahoneybunthe N10 has not been updated in awhile zwobbl02:44
ahoneybunfrom my understanding02:44
zwobblSo it is just broken and I'm not doing something wrong?02:45
ahoneybunthe error is odd02:46
ahoneybunbut it might be broken a bit as wel02:46
lotuspsychje!devices | zwobbl02:46
ubot5zwobbl: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices02:46
zwobblWell, the Nexus 10 is listed and I followed the instructions linked by this page02:48
lotuspsychjezwobbl: wich channel did you install02:54
zwobblubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu02:55
zwobblhuh, it should not be run as root ... now it's doing something02:57
lotuspsychjezwobbl: try devel-proposed maybe02:58
zwobblthy for the hint02:59
lotuspsychjezwobbl: not sure wich channel worsk best for n1003:02
lotuspsychjezwobbl: but nexus7 does best on devel-proposed03:02
zwobblrc-proposed is also available for manta03:03
ahoneybunI thought devel0-proposed was off?03:09
lotuspsychjeahoneybun: devs told me devel-proposed works best for tablets03:10
lotuspsychjeso running fine on n7 here ahoneybun03:11
ahoneybunoh for tablets maybe03:11
ahoneybunmaybe I heard for phones03:11
* ahoneybun does not have a tablet03:11
ahoneybunthat I can run Ubuntu anyway03:11
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luigihello, im willing to buy a nexus 7 2013, and i want to install ubuntu on it, is there any video tutorial about it?04:07
lotuspsychjehmmm does google still sell n7?04:42
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mokmeisterContacted wickr re Ubuntu Touch app and got this response: "Thanks for the suggestion, we are not currently working on that.  The more users contact us about this  request the higher priority it will receive with our development team."06:01
mokmeisterI also pretty much got the same response from Swivel a couple of weeks ago.06:04
mokmeisterbtw, I still don't see OTA-7 landing in my updates, even after restarts. This is  on a bq e4.5 and nexus 406:05
blacksoilHey all, since the updated porting guide is based on AOSP instead of Cyanogen, is there another resources to do cyanogen?06:11
blacksoilI have an unused HTC one m7, I'd like to port ubuntu-touch onto it06:12
lotuspsychjeblacksoil: have you check XDA forums for existing projects?06:29
dholbachgood morning06:36
zzarrgood morning06:43
zzarrwhere's my mouse cursor :-(06:43
zzarrwhen I connect a bt keyboard and mouse to my mx4 there's no mouse cursor (it might be cursed?)06:44
m0n5t3r_am I the only one whose Aquaris E4.5 fails to boot after upgrades / flashing if there is no SD card inside?07:04
m0n5t3r_I just had this happen this morning (rebooted to get latest rc-proposed update applied, got the "take this to an authorized service center" screen)07:06
m0n5t3r_flashed the adb-enabled recovery, /tmp/recovery.log ends with http://paste.lug.ro/13149607:08
m0n5t3r_turns out the micro SD I had inside died recently, I can't mount it on a computer either07:08
* m0n5t3r_ hopes ubuntu-device-flash won't wipe the data07:09
m0n5t3r_yay, it's alive07:18
m0n5t3r_"contact sync update required" wat07:19
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ogra_popey, hrrrrm ...08:48
ogra_popey, davmor2, if you guys open the terminal and tap the most right entry of the custom keys, does the terminal die for you ?08:49
ogra_oh man ...08:50
davmor2ogra_: you mean ctrl+D08:50
ogra_so thats CTRL-D ... doing what it should ... but -D is scrolled off the screen and it sits at a position where my thumb sometimes is before typing08:50
popeyhah08:51
lotuspsychjeyep terminal crashes here on bq ota708:51
ogra_o wonder if we could re-order that :)08:51
ogra_*i08:51
ogra_i closed it three times by accident before i noticed08:51
popeylotuspsychje: its not crashing08:51
ogra_it does what it shoudl if you hit ctrl-d08:52
popeyit's exiting :)08:52
lotuspsychjeright08:52
ogra_just bad usability ....08:52
ogra_well --- s/bad/not the best/08:53
ogra_:)08:53
davmor2ogra_: just use the E4.5 then ctrl+Z is the one on the end issue solved08:53
* ogra_ goes and mounts the 4.5 screen onto his mx408:54
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Back To The Future Day! 🙌 The future is now!08:54
ogra_!08:55
popeywe can certainly move ctrl+d somewhere else09:00
popeyit's a "one line" fix09:00
ogra_it is awfully close to the "open keyboard" button that way too09:01
ogra_(at least in portrait on mx4)09:01
zzarrogra_, still no mouse cursor on my phone when a bt keyboard and mouse is connected11:09
* ogra_ never connected a mouse11:09
ogra_talk to the mir guys :)11:09
zzarrokey, will do :)11:10
ahoneybunzzarr: there is something in a silo somewhere that makes it work, talk to mhall11911:17
ogra_ahoneybun, well, it was supposed to land soon11:17
ogra_i guess zzarr expects that it would have been in OTA711:17
ahoneybunogra_: yea soon but not sure of the date11:17
zzarrogra_, I don't expect it, I wonder if some one is looking at it11:18
ogra_hah11:19
ogra_its the #1 focus of many people11:19
ogra_you can pretty much rely on the fact that *someone* is looking at it :)11:19
zzarrokey ogra_, thank you :)11:20
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Guest42341popey, when taping on svg files in file manager i get the sorry, there aren't .. anny apps that can handle bla bla.. but gallery app can open SVGs in OTA712:02
popeyinteresting.12:02
popeyGuest42341: feel free to file a bug against the file manager12:02
pmcgowanpopey, or gallery, it may need to change its content set12:03
popeyahhh12:03
Guest42341oh, i'm not that interested :))12:03
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om26eroSoMoN, Hi114:03
om26eroSoMoN, Can you tell if I can use webdriver in the webbrowser app ?14:03
oSoMoNom26er, alex-abreu worked on that a while back, not sure if the support is complete14:06
alex-abreuom26er, oSoMoN yes14:06
alex-abreuom26er, you can14:07
om26eralex-abreu, do you have any examples somewhere ?14:07
alex-abreuyes :)14:07
alex-abreuom26er, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webapps-core/trunk/files/head:/webapp-amazon/tests/autopilot/amazon_webapp/14:08
om26eralex-abreu, hm, I saw similar code in lp:ubuntu-system-tests they were tests for the web apps as well. I haven't found an example that does it direct with the webbrowser14:09
alex-abreuom26er, there was no attempt to work directly w/ the webbrowser app per se but it should work w/ a minimal update14:11
alex-abreuom26er, if it does not, I can help tweak it14:11
om26eralex-abreu, I'll give it another try and get back to you, I did try it a few hours ago but webdriver complained about some port etc. Will get back with the exact error.14:12
alex-abreuok please do14:13
alex-abreuthere should not be any big technical issue there, possibly some tweaks needed14:13
Guest42341Just realised, having ~10 inactive alarms in the #ubuntuphone Clock apps makes the whole phone slower. Phone much smoother after deletion.14:18
Guest42341^^ https://twitter.com/romangeber/status/65683591642682572814:18
Guest42341o_O14:18
seb128mardy, dbarth__, do you know what webbrowser-app is used for on unity7 atm? do we still have some sort of webapps support?14:18
dbarth__seb128: webapp support is in webapp-container specifically14:29
dbarth__seb128: not the browser incarnation of the project (they're the same code base in LP)14:29
seb128dbarth__, where is that used/how do I access it as an user?14:29
dbarth__seb128: when you have the unity-webapp-gmail or other key apps instaleld, the desktop file references webapp-container14:30
dbarth__so, you go in the dash, search for gmail, click the icon, and that's what gets loaded14:30
seb128dbarth__, ok, we don't seem to have any webapp on the issue, should we remove the container then? I guess if somebody installs unity-webapp-gmail that's going to pull in what is needed through depends?14:34
dbarth__seb128: the issue? the release you mean?14:35
seb128dbarth__, sorry, meant "on the iso"14:35
dbarth__the container could be removed if no webapp is installed by default yes14:35
seb128great14:35
seb128it's a bit late for wily but maybe next cycle14:35
dbarth__the webapp will pull what's needed; we haven't fiddled with that set of dependencies ;)14:36
seb128k14:36
dbarth__seb128: ah indeed; the seed got modified to remove the extension for firefox, but i haven't seen that no webapp was here by default14:36
seb128unsure why we have webbrowser-app atm14:36
seb128dbarth__, unity-webapps-common is in the desktop seed, it was added with unity-firefox-extension14:37
seb128so seems like that could be dropped14:37
dbarth__alex-abreu: ^^ with no webapp pre-installed, do we need u-w-common anymore?14:38
mardytvoss: do you know if there are plans to make /etc writable? As of now, users have to make the image writable just to enable location-service logs, which renders the process harder than what it should be14:43
mcphailand /usr/local please :)14:44
ogra_marthat would completely defeat the pourpose14:46
ogra_mardy, ^^^14:46
alex-abreudbarth__, mmmh we need it if we want any webapp to work14:46
om26eralex-abreu, this is what I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12886079/14:46
om26erwhile in the same suite, if I run a test for a webapp it works just fine.14:46
alex-abreuom26er, do you have a python script handy?14:47
ogra_mardy, what you can do is to either make the file they would edit writable or better introduce some option env var or whatever that they can use14:47
dbarth__alex-abreu: but the dependencies should pull that in automatically; so u-w-common doesn't have to be seeded anymore14:47
om26eralex-abreu, its kind of hidden inside the code I have been working with, will try to create a simple script for your so that you can try it as well.14:48
mardyogra_: so, the location service uses env variables to enable debug logs; do you have an alternative suggestion to this one (line 272): https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/location-service/add-documentation-and-tooling/+merge/275006 ?14:49
alex-abreudbarth__, well it is still needed since it also deals w/ webapp installation enablement14:50
dbarth__alex-abreu: which is the chrome extension only at the moment14:51
mardyogra_: it would be nice if one can drop a file in some writeable part of the FS and have upstart read it (for system services)14:51
ogra_mardy, make it read thses vars from somewhere else from a writable loaction14:51
dbarth__alex-abreu: it will be needed once webbrowser-app deals with that14:51
dbarth__hopefully soon now14:51
alex-abreudbarth__, yes, ...14:51
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ogra_mardy, *snap* :)14:51
ogra_so yeah, just add code to the upstart job that sources a file from somewhere if it exists and exports these vars14:52
ogra_mardy, /var/lib/ubuntu-location-service/ seems appropriate14:53
mardyogra_: that sounds like a great suggestion, thanks14:53
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seb128alex-abreu, dbarth, so it seems chrome should recommends the webapps but that -common is not useful on the default Ubuntu iso with firefox?16:12
kgunnbzoltan_: hey with qtcreator chroot for development....if you're on the latest updated version...is it already going to have the overlay ppa applied ?16:31
kgunnsturmflut_: ^16:31
bzoltan_kgunn: if you fresh create a new chroot then yes16:31
bzoltan_kgunn: sturmflut_: but existing chroots will not get the Overlay PPA automatically.16:32
sturmflut_bzoltan_: Ah, thanks!16:32
bzoltan_kgunn: sturmflut_: so for old chroots... if there is a reason to kepp them, you need to add the Overlay PPA... but me personally would create a new one.. or ride on the packaged static chroots :) much faster to  set up16:33
kgunnbzoltan_: thanks!16:34
sturmflut_kgunn: Will take a long time one way or the other today, my internet connection is *very* slow today.16:35
sturmflut_Like sub-megabit slow16:35
kgunnug16:35
ogra_doesnt that make you feel young again ?16:36
sturmflut_Nah, when I was young mzanetti and I shared a 14.4 kBit/s HSCSD setup. The half megabit I'm getting now was stuff from the future back then!16:39
ogra_well, its back to the future day, so that fits nicely ;)16:40
bzoltan_sturmflut_: in that case the ubuntu-sdk-api-15.04 package from the  ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/tools-development is your best friend ... like a fresh spring breeze and light like a feather, only today it is 556.9 MiB (you save about 1G compare to click chroot create)16:41
ogra_geez16:41
* bzoltan_ is a marketing god16:42
ogra_such sizes ...16:42
bzoltan_ogra_:  small, right?16:42
ogra_*cough*16:42
ogra_rrright16:42
bzoltan_do not be like that :D it is the whole bloody platform API with a toolchain and all16:42
mcphailogra_: the unity-3d .deb file is 1GB, plus you still need to install all the mono packages etc. 557MB is _tiny_16:43
* ogra_ hugs his snappy16:43
bzoltan_ogra_:  but as I have heard *cough* all snappy apps will size 140MB at least... and that is not big :) right?16:43
mcphailogra_: http://themcphails.uk/snappy.jpg16:43
ogra_who cares about apps :P16:44
ogra_mcphail, HAHAHAHA !!!!!16:44
bzoltan_right ... apps are so last Tuesday16:44
sturmflut_bzoltan_: Okay, in this case I'll just move the heavy processing to the cloud and SSH into my work machines.16:46
* sturmflut_ has already been occupying a whole rack of Xeon servers for a week16:47
bzoltan_Occupy Cloud?16:47
bzoltan_sturmflut_:  Not a bad way to work :)16:48
sturmflut_lol16:48
sturmflut_Well, Blender needs resources when you're doing it right16:50
mcphailsturmflut_: you have a blender render farm? We need one of those for work. Do you rent it?16:55
sturmflut_mcphail: Errr no, I work for a supercomputing facility and somehow turned one of our test clusters into a Blender farm to render the videos for Ubucon16:59
mcphailsturmflut_: aah. Nice :)17:00
* mcphail wishes he had used fewer vertices17:01
popeymcphail: that's brilliant!17:01
sturmflut_Use the vertices, mcphail!17:01
popeymcphail: also, i love that only UK people get that :)17:02
mcphailpopey: too near the bone?17:02
dbarthseb128: yes17:02
popeymcphail: nope, perfect17:02
dbarthseb128: i forgot which project tracks seed updates; but feel free to assign to me and i can propose or sign off on the seed removeal17:03
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reversehey guys, anyone here currently? I have a question about the utouch framework in ubuntu specifically. I want to port the 3 finger drag + pinch, etc. gestures from unity to gnome3 on gentoo, so i was researching about how it actually works on ubuntu/unity17:16
reversei figured out how the utouch framework works, but i can't figure out how it interacts with compiz(?) because the information on launchpad seems very outdated. Anyone care to explain this a bit to me? So far i have grail and frame working, geis is giving me some trouble but i should get that figured out somehow...17:17
reverseso the question i have is: does geis interact with grail? or does compiz interact with grail directly? And where is the code for the compiz plugin? There is none on launchpad somehow..17:19
dobeyreverse: you might better ask in #ubuntu-desktop or #ubuntu-unity perhaps. this channel is actually about the phone/tablet development, not about touch interfaces in Xorg/compiz :)17:23
reversedobey, alright, i actually thought so, it's just that this channel is linked in the wiki about multitouch support :P well then17:24
dobeyoh, i guess that wiki needs fixed then17:24
reversehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch it's this one17:25
tvossmardy, I would rather propose to provide a debugging api on the service to switch to verbose logging17:32
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tvossmardy, we can alter the flags at runtime without problem17:33
mardytvoss: right17:33
dobeywow. "last edited: 2012..."17:33
dobeyreverse: now it doesn't say that :)17:33
tvossmardy, seems like a cleaner solution to me17:34
tvossmardy, do you think we should file a bug to track or do you just want to get to work?17:34
mardytvoss: either is fine17:39
tvossmardy, whatever you prefer then :)18:07
mterryawe, is there a way to poke NM into wigging out and sending lots of signals?  I want to fake the situation we hit with wifi fences and loading up dbus-daemon19:59
awemterry, been there, done that... it's what led to my last patch of NM20:00
mterryawe, good...  Does it still work (and load dbus-daemon)?20:00
mterryawe, I'm actually looking at a unity8 bug that seems to happen in that case20:00
awemterry, in order to do so, I had to fake out wpa_supplicant20:00
mterryawe, want to reproduce that step20:00
aweso if you're asking me if I have a patch, or something I can hand you right now, the answer is no20:01
aweI was just looking dbus myself20:01
awespecifically, how hard it would be to backport a newer debug feature20:01
awemterry, also when I was in Central Sq20:02
aweI really didn't see all that many APs20:02
awenot like CES20:02
awe( where there are hujndreds )20:02
mterryWell ok, I won't compare Central with CES  :)20:02
awesure, but it's not even that great compared to where I live20:03
mterryawe, oh yeah, they added a call that you can make that gives back internal info, right?20:03
aweyea20:03
mterryawe, I don't know how to explain it.  I can trigger it by walking around20:03
aweright, I can't20:03
mterryawe, it might have more to do with trying to connect to APs and then going out of range than number of APs20:03
awemaybe... but again, we need to nail down the scenario20:04
aweotherwise we're all just guessing20:04
mterryawe, sure...  but I'm more interested now in getting any situation that slows down dbus rather than accurately reproducing the scenario for wifi.  Though maybe I can restrict dbus's resources on the system...20:05
aweI'm talking about dbus20:05
awethe original bug reporter blamed WiFi due to the fact that he was running dbus-monitor20:05
aweand saw lots of NM dbus signals20:06
awewhich seemed to correlate20:06
awethat said, the original logs from the bug actually show a shit-ton of upstart event-emitted signals20:06
awewhich seem to be fwd'ing the NM signals20:06
awethat said, we tried disabling at least one of the upstart bridges... and it still didn't make a diff20:07
mterryawe, yeah...  I remember patching upstart to not emit those.  As far as I can tell, no one reads those dbus bridge events.  and yeah, didn't help20:07
mterryOr disabling the bridge or something.  Don't remember what I did now20:07
aweone last tidbit from jibel ( who is hitting this in bluefin ), he had lots of apps started ( 17+ )20:07
awemy guess is that maybe we're hitting OOM20:08
aweand that's killing dbus20:08
awebut again, just a guess at this point20:08
mterryawe, it does seem to happen more often when the system has been on longer, which makes me think OOM.  I have a habit of opening all my apps before testing in the neighborhood20:09
mterryawe, but OOM isn't directly killing the dbus process, so I dunno20:10
aweI just spent some time chewing thru the upstream dbus git, and didn't see any big smoking guns ( ie. fixes made to later versions )20:13
mterryawe, sudo cpulimit -l 1 -c 1 -p `pidof dbus-daemon`20:20
mterryawe, is pretty effective for reproducing behavior of loaded dbus20:20
mterryawe, doesn't help track down reasons we see loaded dbus though  :P20:20
mcphailFor me, the dbus spikes seem to be much shorter on OTA7. My phone has been fairly usable at work, whereas previously I would need to switch off wifi before reaching the office20:27
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mterrymcphail, awe did make a fix that we think helped, but did not fix things.  So that would make sense.  Good to get some confirmation data :)20:43
awemterry, one other theory is that we have a bad dbus clent on the system20:44
awewhich is what the GetAllMatchRules might help find20:44
awealso... been starting lots of apps on my phone20:45
aweand keeping an eye on dbus-daemon20:45
aweone interesting tidbit is watching the output of lsof20:45
aweagain, lots of conjecture20:46
mterryawe, I don't like this bug  :)20:46
aweme neither20:46
mariogripis it the android hal (qcom hardware) or alsa/pulseaudio in Ubuntu touch that is taking care of switching to headphones when they are plugged in?22:29
mariogripogra_ or rsalveti:  ^22:36

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