[02:16] <lotuspsychje> got ota7 on bq now
[02:43] <zwobbl> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 10. Flashing results in the error "mkdir /root/.cache: permission denied".
[02:44] <ahoneybun> the N10 has not been updated in awhile zwobbl
[02:44] <ahoneybun> from my understanding
[02:45] <zwobbl> So it is just broken and I'm not doing something wrong?
[02:46] <ahoneybun> the error is odd
[02:46] <ahoneybun> but it might be broken a bit as wel
[02:46] <lotuspsychje> !devices | zwobbl
[02:48] <zwobbl> Well, the Nexus 10 is listed and I followed the instructions linked by this page
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> zwobbl: wich channel did you install
[02:55] <zwobbl> ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu
[02:57] <zwobbl> huh, it should not be run as root ... now it's doing something
[02:58] <lotuspsychje> zwobbl: try devel-proposed maybe
[02:59] <zwobbl> thy for the hint
[03:02] <lotuspsychje> zwobbl: not sure wich channel worsk best for n10
[03:02] <lotuspsychje> zwobbl: but nexus7 does best on devel-proposed
[03:03] <zwobbl> rc-proposed is also available for manta
[03:09] <ahoneybun> I thought devel0-proposed was off?
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> ahoneybun: devs told me devel-proposed works best for tablets
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> so running fine on n7 here ahoneybun
[03:11] <ahoneybun> oh for tablets maybe
[03:11] <ahoneybun> maybe I heard for phones
[03:11]  * ahoneybun does not have a tablet
[03:11] <ahoneybun> that I can run Ubuntu anyway
[04:07] <luigi> hello, im willing to buy a nexus 7 2013, and i want to install ubuntu on it, is there any video tutorial about it?
[04:42] <lotuspsychje> hmmm does google still sell n7?
[06:01] <mokmeister> Contacted wickr re Ubuntu Touch app and got this response: "Thanks for the suggestion, we are not currently working on that.  The more users contact us about this  request the higher priority it will receive with our development team."
[06:04] <mokmeister> I also pretty much got the same response from Swivel a couple of weeks ago.
[06:05] <mokmeister> btw, I still don't see OTA-7 landing in my updates, even after restarts. This is  on a bq e4.5 and nexus 4
[06:11] <blacksoil> Hey all, since the updated porting guide is based on AOSP instead of Cyanogen, is there another resources to do cyanogen?
[06:12] <blacksoil> I have an unused HTC one m7, I'd like to port ubuntu-touch onto it
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> blacksoil: have you check XDA forums for existing projects?
[06:36] <dholbach> good morning
[06:43] <zzarr> good morning
[06:43] <zzarr> where's my mouse cursor :-(
[06:44] <zzarr> when I connect a bt keyboard and mouse to my mx4 there's no mouse cursor (it might be cursed?)
[07:04] <m0n5t3r_> am I the only one whose Aquaris E4.5 fails to boot after upgrades / flashing if there is no SD card inside?
[07:06] <m0n5t3r_> I just had this happen this morning (rebooted to get latest rc-proposed update applied, got the "take this to an authorized service center" screen)
[07:08] <m0n5t3r_> flashed the adb-enabled recovery, /tmp/recovery.log ends with http://paste.lug.ro/131496
[07:08] <m0n5t3r_> turns out the micro SD I had inside died recently, I can't mount it on a computer either
[07:09]  * m0n5t3r_ hopes ubuntu-device-flash won't wipe the data
[07:18] <m0n5t3r_> yay, it's alive
[07:19] <m0n5t3r_> "contact sync update required" wat
[08:48] <ogra_> popey, hrrrrm ...
[08:49] <ogra_> popey, davmor2, if you guys open the terminal and tap the most right entry of the custom keys, does the terminal die for you ?
[08:50] <ogra_> oh man ...
[08:50] <davmor2> ogra_: you mean ctrl+D
[08:50] <ogra_> so thats CTRL-D ... doing what it should ... but -D is scrolled off the screen and it sits at a position where my thumb sometimes is before typing
[08:51] <popey> hah
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> yep terminal crashes here on bq ota7
[08:51] <ogra_> o wonder if we could re-order that :)
[08:51] <ogra_> *i
[08:51] <ogra_> i closed it three times by accident before i noticed
[08:51] <popey> lotuspsychje: its not crashing
[08:52] <ogra_> it does what it shoudl if you hit ctrl-d
[08:52] <popey> it's exiting :)
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> right
[08:52] <ogra_> just bad usability ....
[08:53] <ogra_> well --- s/bad/not the best/
[08:53] <ogra_> :)
[08:53] <davmor2> ogra_: just use the E4.5 then ctrl+Z is the one on the end issue solved
[08:54]  * ogra_ goes and mounts the 4.5 screen onto his mx4
[08:54] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Back To The Future Day! 🙌 The future is now!
[08:55] <ogra_> !
[09:00] <popey> we can certainly move ctrl+d somewhere else
[09:00] <popey> it's a "one line" fix
[09:01] <ogra_> it is awfully close to the "open keyboard" button that way too
[09:01] <ogra_> (at least in portrait on mx4)
[11:09] <zzarr> ogra_, still no mouse cursor on my phone when a bt keyboard and mouse is connected
[11:09]  * ogra_ never connected a mouse
[11:09] <ogra_> talk to the mir guys :)
[11:10] <zzarr> okey, will do :)
[11:17] <ahoneybun> zzarr: there is something in a silo somewhere that makes it work, talk to mhall119
[11:17] <ogra_> ahoneybun, well, it was supposed to land soon
[11:17] <ogra_> i guess zzarr expects that it would have been in OTA7
[11:17] <ahoneybun> ogra_: yea soon but not sure of the date
[11:18] <zzarr> ogra_, I don't expect it, I wonder if some one is looking at it
[11:19] <ogra_> hah
[11:19] <ogra_> its the #1 focus of many people
[11:19] <ogra_> you can pretty much rely on the fact that *someone* is looking at it :)
[11:20] <zzarr> okey ogra_, thank you :)
[12:02] <Guest42341> popey, when taping on svg files in file manager i get the sorry, there aren't .. anny apps that can handle bla bla.. but gallery app can open SVGs in OTA7
[12:02] <popey> interesting.
[12:02] <popey> Guest42341: feel free to file a bug against the file manager
[12:03] <pmcgowan> popey, or gallery, it may need to change its content set
[12:03] <popey> ahhh
[12:03] <Guest42341> oh, i'm not that interested :))
[14:03] <om26er> oSoMoN, Hi1
[14:03] <om26er> oSoMoN, Can you tell if I can use webdriver in the webbrowser app ?
[14:06] <oSoMoN> om26er, alex-abreu worked on that a while back, not sure if the support is complete
[14:06] <alex-abreu> om26er, oSoMoN yes
[14:07] <alex-abreu> om26er, you can
[14:07] <om26er> alex-abreu, do you have any examples somewhere ?
[14:07] <alex-abreu> yes :)
[14:08] <alex-abreu> om26er, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webapps-core/trunk/files/head:/webapp-amazon/tests/autopilot/amazon_webapp/
[14:09] <om26er> alex-abreu, hm, I saw similar code in lp:ubuntu-system-tests they were tests for the web apps as well. I haven't found an example that does it direct with the webbrowser
[14:11] <alex-abreu> om26er, there was no attempt to work directly w/ the webbrowser app per se but it should work w/ a minimal update
[14:11] <alex-abreu> om26er, if it does not, I can help tweak it
[14:12] <om26er> alex-abreu, I'll give it another try and get back to you, I did try it a few hours ago but webdriver complained about some port etc. Will get back with the exact error.
[14:13] <alex-abreu> ok please do
[14:13] <alex-abreu> there should not be any big technical issue there, possibly some tweaks needed
[14:18] <Guest42341> Just realised, having ~10 inactive alarms in the #ubuntuphone Clock apps makes the whole phone slower. Phone much smoother after deletion.
[14:18] <Guest42341> ^^ https://twitter.com/romangeber/status/656835916426825728
[14:18] <Guest42341> o_O
[14:18] <seb128> mardy, dbarth__, do you know what webbrowser-app is used for on unity7 atm? do we still have some sort of webapps support?
[14:29] <dbarth__> seb128: webapp support is in webapp-container specifically
[14:29] <dbarth__> seb128: not the browser incarnation of the project (they're the same code base in LP)
[14:29] <seb128> dbarth__, where is that used/how do I access it as an user?
[14:30] <dbarth__> seb128: when you have the unity-webapp-gmail or other key apps instaleld, the desktop file references webapp-container
[14:30] <dbarth__> so, you go in the dash, search for gmail, click the icon, and that's what gets loaded
[14:34] <seb128> dbarth__, ok, we don't seem to have any webapp on the issue, should we remove the container then? I guess if somebody installs unity-webapp-gmail that's going to pull in what is needed through depends?
[14:35] <dbarth__> seb128: the issue? the release you mean?
[14:35] <seb128> dbarth__, sorry, meant "on the iso"
[14:35] <dbarth__> the container could be removed if no webapp is installed by default yes
[14:35] <seb128> great
[14:35] <seb128> it's a bit late for wily but maybe next cycle
[14:36] <dbarth__> the webapp will pull what's needed; we haven't fiddled with that set of dependencies ;)
[14:36] <seb128> k
[14:36] <dbarth__> seb128: ah indeed; the seed got modified to remove the extension for firefox, but i haven't seen that no webapp was here by default
[14:36] <seb128> unsure why we have webbrowser-app atm
[14:37] <seb128> dbarth__, unity-webapps-common is in the desktop seed, it was added with unity-firefox-extension
[14:37] <seb128> so seems like that could be dropped
[14:38] <dbarth__> alex-abreu: ^^ with no webapp pre-installed, do we need u-w-common anymore?
[14:43] <mardy> tvoss: do you know if there are plans to make /etc writable? As of now, users have to make the image writable just to enable location-service logs, which renders the process harder than what it should be
[14:44] <mcphail> and /usr/local please :)
[14:46] <ogra_> marthat would completely defeat the pourpose
[14:46] <ogra_> mardy, ^^^
[14:46] <alex-abreu> dbarth__, mmmh we need it if we want any webapp to work
[14:46] <om26er> alex-abreu, this is what I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12886079/
[14:46] <om26er> while in the same suite, if I run a test for a webapp it works just fine.
[14:47] <alex-abreu> om26er, do you have a python script handy?
[14:47] <ogra_> mardy, what you can do is to either make the file they would edit writable or better introduce some option env var or whatever that they can use
[14:47] <dbarth__> alex-abreu: but the dependencies should pull that in automatically; so u-w-common doesn't have to be seeded anymore
[14:48] <om26er> alex-abreu, its kind of hidden inside the code I have been working with, will try to create a simple script for your so that you can try it as well.
[14:49] <mardy> ogra_: so, the location service uses env variables to enable debug logs; do you have an alternative suggestion to this one (line 272): https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/location-service/add-documentation-and-tooling/+merge/275006 ?
[14:50] <alex-abreu> dbarth__, well it is still needed since it also deals w/ webapp installation enablement
[14:51] <dbarth__> alex-abreu: which is the chrome extension only at the moment
[14:51] <mardy> ogra_: it would be nice if one can drop a file in some writeable part of the FS and have upstart read it (for system services)
[14:51] <ogra_> mardy, make it read thses vars from somewhere else from a writable loaction
[14:51] <dbarth__> alex-abreu: it will be needed once webbrowser-app deals with that
[14:51] <dbarth__> hopefully soon now
[14:51] <alex-abreu> dbarth__, yes, ...
[14:51] <ogra_> mardy, *snap* :)
[14:52] <ogra_> so yeah, just add code to the upstart job that sources a file from somewhere if it exists and exports these vars
[14:53] <ogra_> mardy, /var/lib/ubuntu-location-service/ seems appropriate
[14:53] <mardy> ogra_: that sounds like a great suggestion, thanks
[16:12] <seb128> alex-abreu, dbarth, so it seems chrome should recommends the webapps but that -common is not useful on the default Ubuntu iso with firefox?
[16:31] <kgunn> bzoltan_: hey with qtcreator chroot for development....if you're on the latest updated version...is it already going to have the overlay ppa applied ?
[16:31] <kgunn> sturmflut_: ^
[16:31] <bzoltan_> kgunn: if you fresh create a new chroot then yes
[16:32] <bzoltan_> kgunn: sturmflut_: but existing chroots will not get the Overlay PPA automatically.
[16:32] <sturmflut_> bzoltan_: Ah, thanks!
[16:33] <bzoltan_> kgunn: sturmflut_: so for old chroots... if there is a reason to kepp them, you need to add the Overlay PPA... but me personally would create a new one.. or ride on the packaged static chroots :) much faster to  set up
[16:34] <kgunn> bzoltan_: thanks!
[16:35] <sturmflut_> kgunn: Will take a long time one way or the other today, my internet connection is *very* slow today.
[16:35] <sturmflut_> Like sub-megabit slow
[16:35] <kgunn> ug
[16:36] <ogra_> doesnt that make you feel young again ?
[16:39] <sturmflut_> Nah, when I was young mzanetti and I shared a 14.4 kBit/s HSCSD setup. The half megabit I'm getting now was stuff from the future back then!
[16:40] <ogra_> well, its back to the future day, so that fits nicely ;)
[16:41] <bzoltan_> sturmflut_: in that case the ubuntu-sdk-api-15.04 package from the  ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/tools-development is your best friend ... like a fresh spring breeze and light like a feather, only today it is 556.9 MiB (you save about 1G compare to click chroot create)
[16:41] <ogra_> geez
[16:42]  * bzoltan_ is a marketing god
[16:42] <ogra_> such sizes ...
[16:42] <bzoltan_> ogra_:  small, right?
[16:42] <ogra_> *cough*
[16:42] <ogra_> rrright
[16:42] <bzoltan_> do not be like that :D it is the whole bloody platform API with a toolchain and all
[16:43] <mcphail> ogra_: the unity-3d .deb file is 1GB, plus you still need to install all the mono packages etc. 557MB is _tiny_
[16:43]  * ogra_ hugs his snappy
[16:43] <bzoltan_> ogra_:  but as I have heard *cough* all snappy apps will size 140MB at least... and that is not big :) right?
[16:43] <mcphail> ogra_: http://themcphails.uk/snappy.jpg
[16:44] <ogra_> who cares about apps :P
[16:44] <ogra_> mcphail, HAHAHAHA !!!!!
[16:44] <bzoltan_> right ... apps are so last Tuesday
[16:46] <sturmflut_> bzoltan_: Okay, in this case I'll just move the heavy processing to the cloud and SSH into my work machines.
[16:47]  * sturmflut_ has already been occupying a whole rack of Xeon servers for a week
[16:47] <bzoltan_> Occupy Cloud?
[16:48] <bzoltan_> sturmflut_:  Not a bad way to work :)
[16:48] <sturmflut_> lol
[16:50] <sturmflut_> Well, Blender needs resources when you're doing it right
[16:55] <mcphail> sturmflut_: you have a blender render farm? We need one of those for work. Do you rent it?
[16:59] <sturmflut_> mcphail: Errr no, I work for a supercomputing facility and somehow turned one of our test clusters into a Blender farm to render the videos for Ubucon
[17:00] <mcphail> sturmflut_: aah. Nice :)
[17:01]  * mcphail wishes he had used fewer vertices
[17:01] <popey> mcphail: that's brilliant!
[17:01] <sturmflut_> Use the vertices, mcphail!
[17:02] <popey> mcphail: also, i love that only UK people get that :)
[17:02] <mcphail> popey: too near the bone?
[17:02] <dbarth> seb128: yes
[17:02] <popey> mcphail: nope, perfect
[17:03] <dbarth> seb128: i forgot which project tracks seed updates; but feel free to assign to me and i can propose or sign off on the seed removeal
[17:16] <reverse> hey guys, anyone here currently? I have a question about the utouch framework in ubuntu specifically. I want to port the 3 finger drag + pinch, etc. gestures from unity to gnome3 on gentoo, so i was researching about how it actually works on ubuntu/unity
[17:17] <reverse> i figured out how the utouch framework works, but i can't figure out how it interacts with compiz(?) because the information on launchpad seems very outdated. Anyone care to explain this a bit to me? So far i have grail and frame working, geis is giving me some trouble but i should get that figured out somehow...
[17:19] <reverse> so the question i have is: does geis interact with grail? or does compiz interact with grail directly? And where is the code for the compiz plugin? There is none on launchpad somehow..
[17:23] <dobey> reverse: you might better ask in #ubuntu-desktop or #ubuntu-unity perhaps. this channel is actually about the phone/tablet development, not about touch interfaces in Xorg/compiz :)
[17:24] <reverse> dobey, alright, i actually thought so, it's just that this channel is linked in the wiki about multitouch support :P well then
[17:24] <dobey> oh, i guess that wiki needs fixed then
[17:25] <reverse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch it's this one
[17:32] <tvoss> mardy, I would rather propose to provide a debugging api on the service to switch to verbose logging
[17:33] <tvoss> mardy, we can alter the flags at runtime without problem
[17:33] <mardy> tvoss: right
[17:33] <dobey> wow. "last edited: 2012..."
[17:33] <dobey> reverse: now it doesn't say that :)
[17:34] <tvoss> mardy, seems like a cleaner solution to me
[17:34] <tvoss> mardy, do you think we should file a bug to track or do you just want to get to work?
[17:39] <mardy> tvoss: either is fine
[18:07] <tvoss> mardy, whatever you prefer then :)
[19:59] <mterry> awe, is there a way to poke NM into wigging out and sending lots of signals?  I want to fake the situation we hit with wifi fences and loading up dbus-daemon
[20:00] <awe> mterry, been there, done that... it's what led to my last patch of NM
[20:00] <mterry> awe, good...  Does it still work (and load dbus-daemon)?
[20:00] <mterry> awe, I'm actually looking at a unity8 bug that seems to happen in that case
[20:00] <awe> mterry, in order to do so, I had to fake out wpa_supplicant
[20:00] <mterry> awe, want to reproduce that step
[20:01] <awe> so if you're asking me if I have a patch, or something I can hand you right now, the answer is no
[20:01] <awe> I was just looking dbus myself
[20:01] <awe> specifically, how hard it would be to backport a newer debug feature
[20:02] <awe> mterry, also when I was in Central Sq
[20:02] <awe> I really didn't see all that many APs
[20:02] <awe> not like CES
[20:02] <awe> ( where there are hujndreds )
[20:02] <mterry> Well ok, I won't compare Central with CES  :)
[20:03] <awe> sure, but it's not even that great compared to where I live
[20:03] <mterry> awe, oh yeah, they added a call that you can make that gives back internal info, right?
[20:03] <awe> yea
[20:03] <mterry> awe, I don't know how to explain it.  I can trigger it by walking around
[20:03] <awe> right, I can't
[20:03] <mterry> awe, it might have more to do with trying to connect to APs and then going out of range than number of APs
[20:04] <awe> maybe... but again, we need to nail down the scenario
[20:04] <awe> otherwise we're all just guessing
[20:05] <mterry> awe, sure...  but I'm more interested now in getting any situation that slows down dbus rather than accurately reproducing the scenario for wifi.  Though maybe I can restrict dbus's resources on the system...
[20:05] <awe> I'm talking about dbus
[20:05] <awe> the original bug reporter blamed WiFi due to the fact that he was running dbus-monitor
[20:06] <awe> and saw lots of NM dbus signals
[20:06] <awe> which seemed to correlate
[20:06] <awe> that said, the original logs from the bug actually show a shit-ton of upstart event-emitted signals
[20:06] <awe> which seem to be fwd'ing the NM signals
[20:07] <awe> that said, we tried disabling at least one of the upstart bridges... and it still didn't make a diff
[20:07] <mterry> awe, yeah...  I remember patching upstart to not emit those.  As far as I can tell, no one reads those dbus bridge events.  and yeah, didn't help
[20:07] <mterry> Or disabling the bridge or something.  Don't remember what I did now
[20:07] <awe> one last tidbit from jibel ( who is hitting this in bluefin ), he had lots of apps started ( 17+ )
[20:08] <awe> my guess is that maybe we're hitting OOM
[20:08] <awe> and that's killing dbus
[20:08] <awe> but again, just a guess at this point
[20:09] <mterry> awe, it does seem to happen more often when the system has been on longer, which makes me think OOM.  I have a habit of opening all my apps before testing in the neighborhood
[20:10] <mterry> awe, but OOM isn't directly killing the dbus process, so I dunno
[20:13] <awe> I just spent some time chewing thru the upstream dbus git, and didn't see any big smoking guns ( ie. fixes made to later versions )
[20:20] <mterry> awe, sudo cpulimit -l 1 -c 1 -p `pidof dbus-daemon`
[20:20] <mterry> awe, is pretty effective for reproducing behavior of loaded dbus
[20:20] <mterry> awe, doesn't help track down reasons we see loaded dbus though  :P
[20:27] <mcphail> For me, the dbus spikes seem to be much shorter on OTA7. My phone has been fairly usable at work, whereas previously I would need to switch off wifi before reaching the office
[20:43] <mterry> mcphail, awe did make a fix that we think helped, but did not fix things.  So that would make sense.  Good to get some confirmation data :)
[20:44] <awe> mterry, one other theory is that we have a bad dbus clent on the system
[20:44] <awe> which is what the GetAllMatchRules might help find
[20:45] <awe> also... been starting lots of apps on my phone
[20:45] <awe> and keeping an eye on dbus-daemon
[20:45] <awe> one interesting tidbit is watching the output of lsof
[20:46] <awe> again, lots of conjecture
[20:46] <mterry> awe, I don't like this bug  :)
[20:46] <awe> me neither
[22:29] <mariogrip> is it the android hal (qcom hardware) or alsa/pulseaudio in Ubuntu touch that is taking care of switching to headphones when they are plugged in?
[22:36] <mariogrip> ogra_ or rsalveti:  ^