[02:16] got ota7 on bq now [02:43] Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 10. Flashing results in the error "mkdir /root/.cache: permission denied". [02:44] the N10 has not been updated in awhile zwobbl [02:44] from my understanding [02:45] So it is just broken and I'm not doing something wrong? [02:46] the error is odd [02:46] but it might be broken a bit as wel [02:46] !devices | zwobbl [02:46] zwobbl: You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [02:48] Well, the Nexus 10 is listed and I followed the instructions linked by this page [02:54] zwobbl: wich channel did you install [02:55] ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu [02:57] huh, it should not be run as root ... now it's doing something [02:58] zwobbl: try devel-proposed maybe [02:59] thy for the hint [03:02] zwobbl: not sure wich channel worsk best for n10 [03:02] zwobbl: but nexus7 does best on devel-proposed [03:03] rc-proposed is also available for manta [03:09] I thought devel0-proposed was off? [03:10] ahoneybun: devs told me devel-proposed works best for tablets [03:11] so running fine on n7 here ahoneybun [03:11] oh for tablets maybe [03:11] maybe I heard for phones [03:11] * ahoneybun does not have a tablet [03:11] that I can run Ubuntu anyway === bschaefer_ is now known as bschaefer [04:07] hello, im willing to buy a nexus 7 2013, and i want to install ubuntu on it, is there any video tutorial about it? [04:42] hmmm does google still sell n7? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [06:01] Contacted wickr re Ubuntu Touch app and got this response: "Thanks for the suggestion, we are not currently working on that. The more users contact us about this request the higher priority it will receive with our development team." [06:04] I also pretty much got the same response from Swivel a couple of weeks ago. [06:05] btw, I still don't see OTA-7 landing in my updates, even after restarts. This is on a bq e4.5 and nexus 4 [06:11] Hey all, since the updated porting guide is based on AOSP instead of Cyanogen, is there another resources to do cyanogen? [06:12] I have an unused HTC one m7, I'd like to port ubuntu-touch onto it [06:29] blacksoil: have you check XDA forums for existing projects? [06:36] good morning [06:43] good morning [06:43] where's my mouse cursor :-( [06:44] when I connect a bt keyboard and mouse to my mx4 there's no mouse cursor (it might be cursed?) [07:04] am I the only one whose Aquaris E4.5 fails to boot after upgrades / flashing if there is no SD card inside? [07:06] I just had this happen this morning (rebooted to get latest rc-proposed update applied, got the "take this to an authorized service center" screen) [07:08] flashed the adb-enabled recovery, /tmp/recovery.log ends with http://paste.lug.ro/131496 [07:08] turns out the micro SD I had inside died recently, I can't mount it on a computer either [07:09] * m0n5t3r_ hopes ubuntu-device-flash won't wipe the data [07:18] yay, it's alive [07:19] "contact sync update required" wat === Foxmaster1 is now known as Foxmaster === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === Foxmaster1 is now known as Foxmaster [08:48] popey, hrrrrm ... [08:49] popey, davmor2, if you guys open the terminal and tap the most right entry of the custom keys, does the terminal die for you ? [08:50] oh man ... [08:50] ogra_: you mean ctrl+D [08:50] so thats CTRL-D ... doing what it should ... but -D is scrolled off the screen and it sits at a position where my thumb sometimes is before typing [08:51] hah [08:51] yep terminal crashes here on bq ota7 [08:51] o wonder if we could re-order that :) [08:51] *i [08:51] i closed it three times by accident before i noticed [08:51] lotuspsychje: its not crashing [08:52] it does what it shoudl if you hit ctrl-d [08:52] it's exiting :) [08:52] right [08:52] just bad usability .... [08:53] well --- s/bad/not the best/ [08:53] :) [08:53] ogra_: just use the E4.5 then ctrl+Z is the one on the end issue solved [08:54] * ogra_ goes and mounts the 4.5 screen onto his mx4 [08:54] Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Back To The Future Day! 🙌 The future is now! [08:55] ! [09:00] we can certainly move ctrl+d somewhere else [09:00] it's a "one line" fix [09:01] it is awfully close to the "open keyboard" button that way too [09:01] (at least in portrait on mx4) [11:09] ogra_, still no mouse cursor on my phone when a bt keyboard and mouse is connected [11:09] * ogra_ never connected a mouse [11:09] talk to the mir guys :) [11:10] okey, will do :) [11:17] zzarr: there is something in a silo somewhere that makes it work, talk to mhall119 [11:17] ahoneybun, well, it was supposed to land soon [11:17] i guess zzarr expects that it would have been in OTA7 [11:17] ogra_: yea soon but not sure of the date [11:18] ogra_, I don't expect it, I wonder if some one is looking at it [11:19] hah [11:19] its the #1 focus of many people [11:19] you can pretty much rely on the fact that *someone* is looking at it :) [11:20] okey ogra_, thank you :) === _salem is now known as salem_ [12:02] popey, when taping on svg files in file manager i get the sorry, there aren't .. anny apps that can handle bla bla.. but gallery app can open SVGs in OTA7 [12:02] interesting. [12:02] Guest42341: feel free to file a bug against the file manager [12:03] popey, or gallery, it may need to change its content set [12:03] ahhh [12:03] oh, i'm not that interested :)) === dandrader_ is now known as dandrader === salem_ is now known as tiagosh === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:03] oSoMoN, Hi1 [14:03] oSoMoN, Can you tell if I can use webdriver in the webbrowser app ? [14:06] om26er, alex-abreu worked on that a while back, not sure if the support is complete [14:06] om26er, oSoMoN yes [14:07] om26er, you can [14:07] alex-abreu, do you have any examples somewhere ? [14:07] yes :) [14:08] om26er, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webapps-core/trunk/files/head:/webapp-amazon/tests/autopilot/amazon_webapp/ [14:09] alex-abreu, hm, I saw similar code in lp:ubuntu-system-tests they were tests for the web apps as well. I haven't found an example that does it direct with the webbrowser [14:11] om26er, there was no attempt to work directly w/ the webbrowser app per se but it should work w/ a minimal update [14:11] om26er, if it does not, I can help tweak it [14:12] alex-abreu, I'll give it another try and get back to you, I did try it a few hours ago but webdriver complained about some port etc. Will get back with the exact error. [14:13] ok please do [14:13] there should not be any big technical issue there, possibly some tweaks needed [14:18] Just realised, having ~10 inactive alarms in the #ubuntuphone Clock apps makes the whole phone slower. Phone much smoother after deletion. [14:18] ^^ https://twitter.com/romangeber/status/656835916426825728 [14:18] o_O [14:18] mardy, dbarth__, do you know what webbrowser-app is used for on unity7 atm? do we still have some sort of webapps support? [14:29] seb128: webapp support is in webapp-container specifically [14:29] seb128: not the browser incarnation of the project (they're the same code base in LP) [14:29] dbarth__, where is that used/how do I access it as an user? [14:30] seb128: when you have the unity-webapp-gmail or other key apps instaleld, the desktop file references webapp-container [14:30] so, you go in the dash, search for gmail, click the icon, and that's what gets loaded [14:34] dbarth__, ok, we don't seem to have any webapp on the issue, should we remove the container then? I guess if somebody installs unity-webapp-gmail that's going to pull in what is needed through depends? [14:35] seb128: the issue? the release you mean? [14:35] dbarth__, sorry, meant "on the iso" [14:35] the container could be removed if no webapp is installed by default yes [14:35] great [14:35] it's a bit late for wily but maybe next cycle [14:36] the webapp will pull what's needed; we haven't fiddled with that set of dependencies ;) [14:36] k [14:36] seb128: ah indeed; the seed got modified to remove the extension for firefox, but i haven't seen that no webapp was here by default [14:36] unsure why we have webbrowser-app atm [14:37] dbarth__, unity-webapps-common is in the desktop seed, it was added with unity-firefox-extension [14:37] so seems like that could be dropped [14:38] alex-abreu: ^^ with no webapp pre-installed, do we need u-w-common anymore? [14:43] tvoss: do you know if there are plans to make /etc writable? As of now, users have to make the image writable just to enable location-service logs, which renders the process harder than what it should be [14:44] and /usr/local please :) [14:46] marthat would completely defeat the pourpose [14:46] mardy, ^^^ [14:46] dbarth__, mmmh we need it if we want any webapp to work [14:46] alex-abreu, this is what I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12886079/ [14:46] while in the same suite, if I run a test for a webapp it works just fine. [14:47] om26er, do you have a python script handy? [14:47] mardy, what you can do is to either make the file they would edit writable or better introduce some option env var or whatever that they can use [14:47] alex-abreu: but the dependencies should pull that in automatically; so u-w-common doesn't have to be seeded anymore [14:48] alex-abreu, its kind of hidden inside the code I have been working with, will try to create a simple script for your so that you can try it as well. [14:49] ogra_: so, the location service uses env variables to enable debug logs; do you have an alternative suggestion to this one (line 272): https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/location-service/add-documentation-and-tooling/+merge/275006 ? [14:50] dbarth__, well it is still needed since it also deals w/ webapp installation enablement [14:51] alex-abreu: which is the chrome extension only at the moment [14:51] ogra_: it would be nice if one can drop a file in some writeable part of the FS and have upstart read it (for system services) [14:51] mardy, make it read thses vars from somewhere else from a writable loaction [14:51] alex-abreu: it will be needed once webbrowser-app deals with that [14:51] hopefully soon now [14:51] dbarth__, yes, ... === dbarth__ is now known as dbarth [14:51] mardy, *snap* :) [14:52] so yeah, just add code to the upstart job that sources a file from somewhere if it exists and exports these vars [14:53] mardy, /var/lib/ubuntu-location-service/ seems appropriate [14:53] ogra_: that sounds like a great suggestion, thanks === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [16:12] alex-abreu, dbarth, so it seems chrome should recommends the webapps but that -common is not useful on the default Ubuntu iso with firefox? [16:31] bzoltan_: hey with qtcreator chroot for development....if you're on the latest updated version...is it already going to have the overlay ppa applied ? [16:31] sturmflut_: ^ [16:31] kgunn: if you fresh create a new chroot then yes [16:32] kgunn: sturmflut_: but existing chroots will not get the Overlay PPA automatically. [16:32] bzoltan_: Ah, thanks! [16:33] kgunn: sturmflut_: so for old chroots... if there is a reason to kepp them, you need to add the Overlay PPA... but me personally would create a new one.. or ride on the packaged static chroots :) much faster to set up [16:34] bzoltan_: thanks! [16:35] kgunn: Will take a long time one way or the other today, my internet connection is *very* slow today. [16:35] Like sub-megabit slow [16:35] ug [16:36] doesnt that make you feel young again ? [16:39] Nah, when I was young mzanetti and I shared a 14.4 kBit/s HSCSD setup. The half megabit I'm getting now was stuff from the future back then! [16:40] well, its back to the future day, so that fits nicely ;) [16:41] sturmflut_: in that case the ubuntu-sdk-api-15.04 package from the ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/tools-development is your best friend ... like a fresh spring breeze and light like a feather, only today it is 556.9 MiB (you save about 1G compare to click chroot create) [16:41] geez [16:42] * bzoltan_ is a marketing god [16:42] such sizes ... [16:42] ogra_: small, right? [16:42] *cough* [16:42] rrright [16:42] do not be like that :D it is the whole bloody platform API with a toolchain and all [16:43] ogra_: the unity-3d .deb file is 1GB, plus you still need to install all the mono packages etc. 557MB is _tiny_ [16:43] * ogra_ hugs his snappy [16:43] ogra_: but as I have heard *cough* all snappy apps will size 140MB at least... and that is not big :) right? [16:43] ogra_: http://themcphails.uk/snappy.jpg [16:44] who cares about apps :P [16:44] mcphail, HAHAHAHA !!!!! [16:44] right ... apps are so last Tuesday [16:46] bzoltan_: Okay, in this case I'll just move the heavy processing to the cloud and SSH into my work machines. [16:47] * sturmflut_ has already been occupying a whole rack of Xeon servers for a week [16:47] Occupy Cloud? [16:48] sturmflut_: Not a bad way to work :) [16:48] lol [16:50] Well, Blender needs resources when you're doing it right [16:55] sturmflut_: you have a blender render farm? We need one of those for work. Do you rent it? [16:59] mcphail: Errr no, I work for a supercomputing facility and somehow turned one of our test clusters into a Blender farm to render the videos for Ubucon [17:00] sturmflut_: aah. Nice :) [17:01] * mcphail wishes he had used fewer vertices [17:01] mcphail: that's brilliant! [17:01] Use the vertices, mcphail! [17:02] mcphail: also, i love that only UK people get that :) [17:02] popey: too near the bone? [17:02] seb128: yes [17:02] mcphail: nope, perfect [17:03] seb128: i forgot which project tracks seed updates; but feel free to assign to me and i can propose or sign off on the seed removeal === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === robru is now known as robru|sick [17:16] hey guys, anyone here currently? I have a question about the utouch framework in ubuntu specifically. I want to port the 3 finger drag + pinch, etc. gestures from unity to gnome3 on gentoo, so i was researching about how it actually works on ubuntu/unity [17:17] i figured out how the utouch framework works, but i can't figure out how it interacts with compiz(?) because the information on launchpad seems very outdated. Anyone care to explain this a bit to me? So far i have grail and frame working, geis is giving me some trouble but i should get that figured out somehow... [17:19] so the question i have is: does geis interact with grail? or does compiz interact with grail directly? And where is the code for the compiz plugin? There is none on launchpad somehow.. [17:23] reverse: you might better ask in #ubuntu-desktop or #ubuntu-unity perhaps. this channel is actually about the phone/tablet development, not about touch interfaces in Xorg/compiz :) [17:24] dobey, alright, i actually thought so, it's just that this channel is linked in the wiki about multitouch support :P well then [17:24] oh, i guess that wiki needs fixed then [17:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch it's this one [17:32] mardy, I would rather propose to provide a debugging api on the service to switch to verbose logging === dandrader is now known as dandrader|bbl [17:33] mardy, we can alter the flags at runtime without problem [17:33] tvoss: right [17:33] wow. "last edited: 2012..." [17:33] reverse: now it doesn't say that :) [17:34] mardy, seems like a cleaner solution to me [17:34] mardy, do you think we should file a bug to track or do you just want to get to work? [17:39] tvoss: either is fine [18:07] mardy, whatever you prefer then :) [19:59] awe, is there a way to poke NM into wigging out and sending lots of signals? I want to fake the situation we hit with wifi fences and loading up dbus-daemon [20:00] mterry, been there, done that... it's what led to my last patch of NM [20:00] awe, good... Does it still work (and load dbus-daemon)? [20:00] awe, I'm actually looking at a unity8 bug that seems to happen in that case [20:00] mterry, in order to do so, I had to fake out wpa_supplicant [20:00] awe, want to reproduce that step [20:01] so if you're asking me if I have a patch, or something I can hand you right now, the answer is no [20:01] I was just looking dbus myself [20:01] specifically, how hard it would be to backport a newer debug feature [20:02] mterry, also when I was in Central Sq [20:02] I really didn't see all that many APs [20:02] not like CES [20:02] ( where there are hujndreds ) [20:02] Well ok, I won't compare Central with CES :) [20:03] sure, but it's not even that great compared to where I live [20:03] awe, oh yeah, they added a call that you can make that gives back internal info, right? [20:03] yea [20:03] awe, I don't know how to explain it. I can trigger it by walking around [20:03] right, I can't [20:03] awe, it might have more to do with trying to connect to APs and then going out of range than number of APs [20:04] maybe... but again, we need to nail down the scenario [20:04] otherwise we're all just guessing [20:05] awe, sure... but I'm more interested now in getting any situation that slows down dbus rather than accurately reproducing the scenario for wifi. Though maybe I can restrict dbus's resources on the system... [20:05] I'm talking about dbus [20:05] the original bug reporter blamed WiFi due to the fact that he was running dbus-monitor [20:06] and saw lots of NM dbus signals [20:06] which seemed to correlate [20:06] that said, the original logs from the bug actually show a shit-ton of upstart event-emitted signals [20:06] which seem to be fwd'ing the NM signals [20:07] that said, we tried disabling at least one of the upstart bridges... and it still didn't make a diff [20:07] awe, yeah... I remember patching upstart to not emit those. As far as I can tell, no one reads those dbus bridge events. and yeah, didn't help [20:07] Or disabling the bridge or something. Don't remember what I did now [20:07] one last tidbit from jibel ( who is hitting this in bluefin ), he had lots of apps started ( 17+ ) [20:08] my guess is that maybe we're hitting OOM [20:08] and that's killing dbus [20:08] but again, just a guess at this point [20:09] awe, it does seem to happen more often when the system has been on longer, which makes me think OOM. I have a habit of opening all my apps before testing in the neighborhood [20:10] awe, but OOM isn't directly killing the dbus process, so I dunno [20:13] I just spent some time chewing thru the upstream dbus git, and didn't see any big smoking guns ( ie. fixes made to later versions ) [20:20] awe, sudo cpulimit -l 1 -c 1 -p `pidof dbus-daemon` [20:20] awe, is pretty effective for reproducing behavior of loaded dbus [20:20] awe, doesn't help track down reasons we see loaded dbus though :P [20:27] For me, the dbus spikes seem to be much shorter on OTA7. My phone has been fairly usable at work, whereas previously I would need to switch off wifi before reaching the office === tiagosh is now known as _salem === dandrader|bbl is now known as dandrader [20:43] mcphail, awe did make a fix that we think helped, but did not fix things. So that would make sense. Good to get some confirmation data :) [20:44] mterry, one other theory is that we have a bad dbus clent on the system [20:44] which is what the GetAllMatchRules might help find [20:45] also... been starting lots of apps on my phone [20:45] and keeping an eye on dbus-daemon [20:45] one interesting tidbit is watching the output of lsof [20:46] again, lots of conjecture [20:46] awe, I don't like this bug :) [20:46] me neither [22:29] is it the android hal (qcom hardware) or alsa/pulseaudio in Ubuntu touch that is taking care of switching to headphones when they are plugged in? [22:36] ogra_ or rsalveti: ^