[06:30] <mapps> hi
[08:54] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Back To The Future Day! 🙌 The future is now!
[08:56] <davmor2> JamesTait: I had this ready just incase https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XwNibBpDYU
[08:57] <JamesTait> davmor2++
[08:57] <bashrc> http://liliputing.com/2015/10/ubuntu-celebrates-11th-birthday-looks-ahead-to-smartphonedesktop-convergence.html
[09:02] <zmoylan-pi> i've wanted convergence since someone mentioned a docking station for the psion 5 to add full keyboard and screen
[09:05] <bashrc> I think it will happen. Only question is when
[09:16] <zmoylan-pi> i've been waiting 15+ years now...
[09:17] <zmoylan-pi> and mobile tech has yet to get back to the high water mark of the psion pdas
[09:23] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:25] <MooDoo> howdy
[09:28] <brobostigon> hi MooDoo
[09:30] <MooDoo> howdy
[09:46] <TwistedLucidity> bashrc: MS has done it. Or so their PR department claims... Apple will invent it in the next year or so.
[09:48]  * zmoylan-pi fondly remembers the stowaway keyboard for palm devices... full sized keyboard the size of a palm device...
[09:51]  * brobostigon picks up his old palm pilot and wave sit around proudly, still lieing on his desk.
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> i still have a palm here but it's battry no longer charges... :-(
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> i miss sim city, reptoids and irogue...
[09:54] <SuperEngineer> zmoylan-pi, you do realise that you have to plug the charger into a wall socket, I suppose?  ;-)
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> hmmm, i was wiring it up to lightning conductor and waiting for strikes.....
[09:55] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... that might work.  Guess there's just not enough lightning yet ;-)
[09:57] <foobarry> anyone with nvidia card occasionally get full screen flicker
[09:57] <foobarry> one flicker that flashes the whole screen for a split second
[09:58] <popey> so steamlink is an android device... https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/3p2zv8/steam_link_teardown_mainboard/ ?
[10:06] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:06] <popey> Afternoon
[10:06]  * popey is off to see Tim Vine tonight
[10:12] <foobarry> off to the car garage :(
[10:12] <foobarry> MOT +service+ lots of £££
[10:17] <bigcalm> popey: nice
[10:40] <brobostigon> when you try and install golang mobile with, "go get golang.org/x/mobile/cmd/gomobile" is there meant to be any output from it?
[11:14] <davmor2> popey: I hope you are having a shave then :P
[11:15] <popey> pffft
[11:15]  * popey adds more work for davmor2 
[11:15] <davmor2> popey: pfff not possible
[11:15] <popey> :)
[11:40] <Ridgewing> isitoutyet?
[11:44] <Ridgewing> Is wily out today or to tomorrow ?
[11:45] <bigcalm> !isitoutyet
[11:45] <bigcalm> Tomorrow
[11:46] <Ridgewing> Oh yeah ..   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[11:46] <Ridgewing> that's good.
[11:47] <Ridgewing> When do you think the X-name question shall apear on reddit ?
[11:47] <Ridgewing> **appear
[11:54] <davmor2> popey: do you think we should push for Zeebedee for the Z release?  We could change the login drums to boing boing :D
[11:54] <popey> hah
[11:54] <popey> you think we'll still be around for z? :)
[11:54] <popey> I thought we were switching to rolling, so X will be the last one
[11:56] <davmor2> popey: well first we need to move the phone to snappy and then follow that with the desktop though right then everything is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYnFIRc0k6E
[12:04] <Ridgewing> I like the 'backup, backup' bit.
[12:53] <bigcalm> popey: you don't expect to have a job by 16.10?
[12:53] <popey> hah
[12:53] <popey> who knows what the future holds
[12:54] <bigcalm> That's how I read your line "you think we'll still be around for z? :)"
[12:55] <bigcalm> Or are you expecting the human race to be wiped out by then
[12:55] <bigcalm> ?
[12:55] <bigcalm> Might happen
[12:55] <davmor2> The Lunch of Champions original curry pot noodle hmmmm
[12:58] <popey> You never know!
[13:04] <diplo> Pot noodles are god awful, don't know how people have them :/
[13:04] <bigcalm> They can be bad if incorrectly prepared
[13:05] <bigcalm> They can be lush (as far as a quick slack can be) if done correctly
[13:05] <popey> i like home made not poodles
[13:05] <davmor2> diplo: next you'll be saying you like Marmite
[13:06] <diplo> When I see it in the bin yes
[13:06] <diplo> :P
[13:06] <bigcalm> 1. Leave to sit longer than the total 4 mins. 2. Add other sauces besides the included packet. I add Tabasco, soy and Worcestershire sauces
[13:06] <popey> I love marmite
[13:07] <davmor2> popey: yes but you are clinically insane ;)
[13:07] <bigcalm> Leaving a pot noodle for longer means that more water is absorbed and the sauce gets thicker
[13:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: pot calling the kettle black
[13:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: how do you think I know he is we got the certificates at the same time :P
[13:08] <davmor2> diplo: Pot noodles are like tea, leave it to stew the right length of time and it is perfection :)
[13:09] <diplo> I guess that's where we differ :D
[13:10] <bigcalm> diplo: you don't like tea either?
[13:11] <diplo> Nah like tea, just don't leave it to stew
[13:11] <diplo> Water on tea bag, swirl around, squeeze and done
[13:11] <davmor2> diplo: get out now ;)
[13:12] <davmor2> diplo: that's called Water :D
[13:13] <bigcalm> That's about as strong as I have
[13:13] <bigcalm> it
[13:13] <davmor2> to be fair though it depends on tea
[13:13] <bigcalm> Won't be making tea for davmor2 any time soon
[13:14] <davmor2> bigcalm: I tend to drink coffee, but I make tea for the workmen and all of them have it the same, if the spoon doesn't stand up on it's own it's not strong enough
[13:16] <davmor2> bigcalm, diplo: My wife has green tea with lemon, you have to stew that for a good 30 seconds for the lemon to infuse otherwise it tastes awful, fresh tea is always stewed to and normally in a teapot too ;)
[13:17] <diplo> davmor2: Guy I work with leaves the bag in his for herbal/green teas
[13:17] <diplo> Looks stronger than the squash I make my kids
[13:17] <bigcalm> Tea tea when stewed I find undrinkable
[13:18] <bigcalm> Infusion teas I tend to leave the bag in the mug the entire time I'm drinking it
[13:25] <diplo> popey: Do you still use your Revo for Kodi/XBMC ?
[13:29] <popey> I haven't used my revo for a long time
[13:29] <popey> It's attached to the back of the display I'm using but isn't powered on
[13:29] <popey> I don't even know what's on it.
[13:30] <davmor2> popey: dust?
[13:30] <popey> yeah
[13:30] <diplo> :D
[13:30] <diplo> OK, just was debating updating mine - wondering what others were using now
[13:35] <Seeker`> I used to have pot noodle sandwiches :P
[13:37] <diplo> Oh dear....!
[13:37] <diplo> :D
[13:39] <bigcalm> My parents still use the Revo I sold them. It's their house file & backup server
[13:40] <Seeker`> diplo: or supernoodle sandwiches. That was during the first year of uni
[13:40] <bigcalm> Running 14.04.3 LTS
[13:49] <popey> My mum still uses a revo running ubuntu as her pc
[13:49] <popey> she's had it for over 3 years
[13:50] <diplo> Yeah I use mine for Kodi still, it's running an old ubuntu that is no longer supported and 12.0 xbmc
[13:50] <diplo> Was going to reinstall, may try the new kodibuntu
[13:55] <m0nkey__> yerp.
[14:01] <diddledan> morning, m0nkey_
[14:01] <diddledan> those revos were good when they came out
[14:02] <diddledan> there was a big push for nettops
[14:02] <diddledan> the key thing about them was they had an nvidia chip
[14:20] <popey> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/802007522/up-intel-x5-z8300-board-in-a-raspberry-pi2-form-fa
[14:20] <popey> intel chip board sized of a pi
[14:20] <popey> 50K seems low
[14:29] <diddledan> it's interesting that they feel the need to be exactly the same form-factor as the pi right down to the gpio pin layout
[14:30] <diddledan> smacks of microsoft's embrace extend extinguish philosophy from the late 90s only from a startup company instead
[14:38] <diplo> I read that they wanted to make the GPIO's the same for all the current modders out there, maybe form factor for the same reason, people have enclosures that may fit them
[14:39] <diplo> Or that it has sold so well in that form factor
[14:48] <diddledan> can anyone help a user on the hantslug mailing list with this query: http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/lurker/thread/20151021.144602.ae9d6e11.en.html?
[14:53] <diddledan> I failed netiquette in my reply - top-posted AND failed to trim!!!
[14:58] <diplo> We use people like Sagepay diddledan, just provide them with the 'Secret key' and the transaction takes place on there, I suppose I could read more into it but not sure I could help anyway :)
[14:58] <diddledan> they appear to be using a third-party, too
[14:58] <diplo> Yeah as per your response, I don't quite get what they're doing
[14:59] <m0nkey__> DPAPI is a Microsoft mechanismn to process transactions securely?
[14:59] <m0nkey__> Like CC numbers?
[14:59] <diddledan> m0nkey__, no, it's an in-memory encrypted storage as far as I can tell
[14:59] <diddledan> like the keychain in os x and linuxy systems
[15:00] <m0nkey__> GnuPG perhaps?
[15:01] <m0nkey__> Or EncFS?
[15:01] <diddledan> that's just it, it's unclear what the third-party wants the guy to use DPAPI for
[15:01] <Seeker`> diddledan: at least you didn't PM someone without asking them
[15:02]  * diddledan pms Seeker`
[15:02] <Seeker`> someone got upset at me for doing that the other day
[15:02] <diddledan> oops :-p
[15:02] <m0nkey__> Well, the 3rd party needs to provide some kind of information about it. APIs, etc. wtf are they trying to do? More context is needed.
[15:02] <Seeker`> nonono, wait diddledan, I need time to prepare for the arrival of a PM!
[15:02] <diddledan> sometimes bad netiquette is more a lapse in concentration
[15:03] <diddledan> I think it's nice to be a good citizen but being a good citizen also involves allowing others to make mistakes :-)
[15:06] <diddledan> if the various national governments are to be held as an example we should have a citizenship test before we allow people onto the internet (that would be terrible!)
[15:07] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, you're wrong... Everything is "your" fault [e.g today's lousy weather is also *your* fault] ;-)
[15:07] <diddledan> "are you britishy enough to be allowed into britain?"
[15:07] <diddledan> \o/
[15:07]  * diddledan makes moar bad weather!
[15:07] <bashrc> I blame Windows
[15:07] <SuperEngineer> yikes!
[15:08] <PeteOtaqui> "are you britishy enough to be allowed into britain old bean, what what?"
[15:08] <diddledan> lol
[15:09] <diddledan> of course it's crazy having a britishness test when britain is supposed to be multicultural
[15:10] <diddledan> like "we value all cultures, but you must change yours to be the same as ours"
[15:10] <bashrc> the vikings would fail
[15:10] <diddledan> doctor who on saturday had vikings!
[15:11] <diddledan> I'm curious to see where they go with the lass that he saved
[15:11] <PeteOtaqui> diddledan just passed the britishness test
[15:11] <diddledan> lol
[15:11] <bashrc> A britishness test would be something like: "how much tea do you drink?"
[15:12] <bashrc> "do you complain about the weather often?"
[15:12] <diddledan> yes to both
[15:12] <PeteOtaqui> "do you apologise when someone else bumps into you"
[15:12] <diddledan> I do!
[15:12] <SuperEngineer> If only we Brits realised how multi-cultural the blood flowing us is...
[15:13] <diddledan> SuperEngineer, exactly - what have the romans ever done for us
[15:13] <diddledan> and the vikings
[15:13] <SuperEngineer> ALERT - ALERT -Monty P. referencer
[15:13] <diddledan> and every one else who's invaded
[15:13] <bashrc> the Romans would have failed the britishness test
[15:14] <diddledan> the normals, and the angles and the curves and the saxons etc.
[15:14] <SuperEngineer> you forgot the Saxon people
[15:14] <PeteOtaqui> Stewart Lee does a great bit about that ... "Before Romanians, it was the Poles ... coming over here, fixing all the stuff we broke"
[15:14] <bashrc> all fails
[15:14] <PeteOtaqui> "... and before that, it was the Indians ... coming over here, inventing us a cuisine ..."
[15:14] <diddledan> we'd have terrible food if we didn't have curry
[15:15] <diddledan> "curry, the epitome of british cuisine. not british."
[15:16] <Gary> Afternoon folks
[15:16] <diddledan> after noodles!
[15:16] <bashrc> pizza? FAIL
[15:17] <SuperEngineer> Best of British.. if you tasted my cooking you wouldn't care which country your food culture originated from!
[15:17] <diddledan> hehe
[15:18] <SuperEngineer> That's a point... Pot Noodles!
[15:18] <diddledan> \o/
[15:18] <diddledan> nectar of heaven, those
[15:19]  * PeteOtaqui leaves in disgust
[15:19] <bashrc> pheasants? FAIL Christmas trees? FAIL
[15:19] <SuperEngineer> As this is #ubuntu-uk... why not get together and demand #ubuntu-uk pot noodles
[15:20] <SuperEngineer> "PeteOtaqui leaves in disgust"... just working out how many nationalities involved in that name....
[15:21] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[15:21] <PeteOtaqui> Several
[15:21] <SuperEngineer> 4?
[15:21] <PeteOtaqui> 3
[15:21] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... close enough
[15:22] <PeteOtaqui> English then Arabic with a French spelling
[15:22] <SuperEngineer> wew!
[15:22] <PeteOtaqui> Although I guess you could say 4, because surnames were introduced to much of the Arab world by the Turks in the 1800s (to collect taxes)
[15:23] <SuperEngineer> you should be proud of that name - it helped collect money!  ;-)
[15:23] <PeteOtaqui> What did the Ottomans ever do for us?
[15:24] <SuperEngineer> ...or the turks
[15:24] <zmoylan-pi> gave us somewhere to rest our feet...? :-P
[15:24] <davmor2> PeteOtaqui: nice boxes at the bottom of the bed to keep your bedding in?
[15:24] <PeteOtaqui> rest our feet, while usefully storing stuff?
[15:25] <PeteOtaqui> ok, ok, aside from interesting and functional boudoir furniture ... ;)
[15:26] <zmoylan-pi> so bloody annoying we went of and found other ways to get to asia discovering america in the process?
[15:26] <PeteOtaqui> hah
[15:26] <PeteOtaqui> catch you later
[15:26] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[15:27] <Gary> Can't believe I've been registered on Freenode for almost ten years
[15:27] <SuperEngineer> really? I thought penguins discovered America!
[15:28] <popey> \o/ (11y 28w 1d ago) here
[15:28] <zmoylan-pi> nah, that was just penguins trying to avoid polar bears who got lost
[15:28] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[15:28] <Gary> Alan!!!
[15:28] <Gary> Hey popey xXx
[15:29] <zmoylan-pi> world running out of lego... panic!! \o/
[15:29] <SuperEngineer> hmmm - it appears popey has invented a new time period... A "Go"
[15:29]  * popey tickles Gary 
[15:29] <popey> long time no see
[15:29] <Gary> Just a while eh
[15:31] <diddledan> looks like I "Registered : Feb 09 17:16:33 2007 (8y 36w 3d ago)"
[15:33] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, what is this time period "go" [& why doesn't anybody put a space between "a" & "go"
[15:33] <MartijnV1S> counting in hex again, SuperEngineer? :P
[15:33] <SuperEngineer> got it
[15:35] <diddledan> lol: http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/going-to-westfield-with-the-archbishop-of-banterbury
[15:41] <Seeker`> :O its a Gary
[15:42] <Seeker`> and 8y 48w here
[15:43] <diddledan> Seeker`, damn it you sunk my battleship
[15:44] <Seeker`> pfft, you're such a noob diddledan :P
[15:44] <diddledan> I think you'll find you spelt that wrong, I'm actually a right ol' knob.. :-p
[15:44] <Seeker`> well, that too :P
[16:17] <SuperEngineer> diddledan, just seen your reply re spelling [been on phone]... love it!
[17:22] <Azelphur> https://www.reddit.com/r/battlestations/comments/3pnlzu/my_battlestation_with_a_viewv2/ finally done with the new desk setup \o/
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> over compensating much? :-)
[17:29] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I thought he was just blocking out the view
[17:29] <Azelphur> zmoylan-pi: ;)
[17:29] <zmoylan-pi> that reality is just so hard to deal with...
[17:30] <Azelphur> exactly, I reject your reality and substitute it with my own :P
[17:39]  * zmoylan-pi suspects Azelphur's reality has a lot of rainbows, unicorns and kittens... :-)
[18:18] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: and that's on monitor 1, on 2 he has dancing leprechauns, 3 nyancat and 4 is fairies and gandalf
[18:21] <daftykins> one client seems to have no end of trouble with their sky boxes naffing up
[18:24] <zmoylan-pi> some other problem at their location causing it?  wonky power? giant doomsday device plugged in next to it etc. ? :-)
[18:25] <daftykins> ah but the doomsday device has really nice lights...
[18:25] <daftykins> i could just pass it onto the TV guy :D
[18:25] <zmoylan-pi> gotta have blinky lights on doomsday devices, it's in the regs... oh and a red led countdown...
[18:27] <daftykins> and have it signed off by a school teacher - oh no wait not that last bit
[18:27] <zmoylan-pi> i dunno, some of my teachers were evil geniuses
[18:56]  * davmor2 hands zmoylan-pi telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[19:51] <daftykins> hmm playstation 4s have meant to have dropped by £50 in the UK o0
[20:09] <zmoylan-pi> crimbo coming up so wanting to capture a few more sales...
[20:10] <daftykins> indeedy, funny when you look back and see when they were £600
[20:10] <davmor2> daftykins: all of them are stupid money to start with and steadily come down
[20:12] <zmoylan-pi> initally they sell them at a loss and make their money on games, probably making a profit on each unit now and passing some of that on
[20:13] <daftykins> davmor2: yeah it just put it into context for me looking at the amazon price history today :D
[20:13] <daftykins> never seen it be so clear before
[20:13] <daftykins> http://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/Sony-PlayStation-4-Console-Black/product/B00BE4HOIM
[20:14] <davmor2> daftykins: it was the same for 360/ps3/xbox/ps2/ps1
[20:14] <daftykins> heh, i know - i wasn't born yesterday
[21:19]  * davmor2 checks daftykins birth certificate, no apparently you weren't well done on knowing that :P
[21:19] <daftykins> \o/
[21:23] <m0nkey_> Even our government is getting in on the fun: http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/recall-alert-rappel-avis/tc/2015/55494r-eng.php
[21:23] <daftykins> ;]
[22:05] <diddledan> !isitoutyet
[22:05] <diddledan> :-p
[22:08] <diddledan> the X name has been announced btw
[22:08] <daftykins> indeed
[22:08] <daftykins> it looks like a squirrel
[22:29] <m0nkey_> Motorola wont replace my Moto360 here in Canada, because I purchased it in the US.
[22:30] <daftykins> =/
[22:31] <daftykins> can't post it down?
[22:36] <m0nkey_> i'm starting to make a stink on social media
[22:37] <diddledan> I'm not saying a single word about you stinking
[23:11] <m0nkey_> I'm going to file a formal complaint
[23:11] <m0nkey_> They wont replace my watch, since it was purchased in the US.
[23:11] <m0nkey_> The border is only 30 mins away
[23:16] <diddledan> oh I thought you mean filing a formal complaint about my comment :-p
[23:16] <diddledan> meant*
[23:16] <daftykins> XD
[23:16] <daftykins> "that too"
[23:18] <diddledan> hmm, nagios just freaked-out
[23:18] <m0nkey_> Also posting on their facebook
[23:18] <m0nkey_> "Helllo Motorola​, your customer service department has failed to provide me with a warranty replacement for a device purchased in the US, since I live in Canada and unable to provide a US address. My Moto360 has developed a crack on the back, which is a known manufacturing defect. I spent an hour on the phone with your customer service department (A 3rd party in El Salvador) who said they cannot do anything to help me. All I want i
[23:18] <m0nkey_> s for my watch to be fixed or replaced. I can only assume that the parts used to repair are the same in the US and Canada."
[23:20] <daftykins> seems fair
[23:21] <m0nkey_> I started laughing when I got them to admit to being a 3rd party in El Salvador
[23:21] <daftykins> how come o0
[23:21] <m0nkey_> They told me to contact the US support, but they are going to say exactly the same thing.
[23:22] <daftykins> what's stopping you posting down to the US though?
[23:22] <m0nkey_> Don't you find it a little ironic, a device purchased in the US, being used in Canada is supported by a company in El Salvador?
[23:22] <m0nkey_> daftykins, because I don't have a US postal address, they supposedly can't help me.
[23:22] <diddledan> el salvador as in mexico?
[23:23] <m0nkey_> lol, don't tell any El Salvadorians that.
[23:23] <m0nkey_> They hate being called Mexican.
[23:23] <diddledan> I don't know what or where it is - is it a country or a city?
[23:23] <daftykins> :>
[23:23] <daftykins> Fly to El Salvador, I don't know why - and I don't know what for ~
[23:23] <m0nkey_> It's much further south than Mexico
[23:23] <daftykins> i haven't listened to that band for a while
[23:45] <diddledan> I just tried apt instead of apt-get finally. nice progress bars ftw!
[23:45] <daftykins> :D
[23:45] <daftykins> ikr
[23:46] <daftykins> weirdly though i wonder if it fails to tie in to whatever updates the MOTD on SSH login, 'cause the package count doesn't seem to update
[23:48] <m0nkey_> Well, Motorola has lost my custom. Basically, I'm screwed.
[23:48] <diddledan> wtf!
[23:49] <daftykins> :/
[23:49] <m0nkey_> I called the US support dept, they had a bit more sympathy and actually tried to help.
[23:50] <diddledan> the us guys probably get it a lot
[23:50] <m0nkey_> So, anyone want to buy a Moto360 with a slightly cracked back? lol
[23:51] <daftykins> don't know anyone across the border you can have be a proxy o0
[23:52] <m0nkey_> Nope
[23:53] <diddledan> wow, apple have just send a slew of vuln aanouncements to the full-disclosure list
[23:54] <daftykins> huge updates from them today
[23:54] <diddledan> (or rather patches announcements)
[23:54] <daftykins> El Cap finally got 10.11.1 so that should fix Office 2016 ;)