[05:16] hello [06:09] good morning [06:10] good morning didrocks [06:11] hey hikiko! [06:53] good morning desktopers [07:00] re seb128 [07:00] re didrocks [07:08] good morning! [07:08] hey larsu, wie gehts? [07:09] seb128: great thanks! Just making some tea which smells good :) How are you? [07:10] larsu, I'm good thanks! played tennis yesterday ;-) [07:10] hey larsu! [07:10] seb128: ah right how was that? Do you have a new club in the hague? [07:10] larsu: I have a bad news, so I hope you feel well :) [07:11] didrocks: morning. I simply won't listen [07:11] didrocks: :P [07:11] heh ;) [07:11] u-s-d isn't fixed for me [07:11] like just do an install, 3rd screen -> u-s-d crash, controls jumping on the right [07:11] well this was a blind fix, the possibilty was there [07:11] but I have a nice stacktrace for you! [07:12] larsu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-settings-daemon/+bug/1508327/comments/8 [07:12] Launchpad bug 1508327 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "ubiquity only mode: close/minimize/restore are on the right edge" [High,New] [07:12] larsu: should I keep the broken state? [07:13] didrocks: this is a different bt [07:14] larsu: yep, maybe I had a different crash than seb128 [07:14] indeed [07:14] let me finish making breakfast and I'll look into it [07:14] thx [07:14] keeping it that way for now [07:14] Good morning [07:14] jibel: FYI (see bug report, still getting the crash here) ^ [07:14] hey pitti [07:15] hey pitti [07:15] salut mes amis français, comment allez-vous ? [07:15] hey larsu and hikiko, how are you? [07:15] pitti: bien, j'ai le cou un peu bloqué, mais j'ai espoir que ça aime mieux dans la journée :) et toi ? [07:15] pitti, ça va bien ! et toi ? [07:16] pitti, j'ai joué au tennis hier (même s'il pleuvait un peu) [07:16] didrocks: uh, c'est de la nuit froide ? ou à cause du sport ? [07:17] didrocks: don't worry, I don't think there's much I can do to remote debug this (an you already gave the stacktrace) [07:17] pitti: nuit froide, je pense [07:17] guten morgen pitti! Geht super danke, und dir? [07:17] larsu: ok, I didn't connect any monitor or anything FWIW [07:17] larsu: (looking at the stack…) [07:17] seb128: ah, très bien ! basketball aussi était grand hier, je devient lentement mieux :) [07:17] morning all [07:17] is it out yet. hurr durr [07:18] larsu: prima [07:18] it's been a long time since I've slept until 9! [07:18] didrocks: yes, I understood you did the same as it says on the bug [07:18] hey willcooke [07:18] pitti: wow! What happened? [07:18] willcooke, not quite yet! [07:19] larsu: well, basketball until 22:30 (and I can't sleep right after that, still too pumped) and burning the midnight oil over bug 1504897 [07:19] bug 1504897 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu X-series) "packages with only upstart+systemd without sysvinit fail to upgrade with do-release-upgrade: upgrade tarballs ship obsolete invoke-rc.d" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1504897 [07:20] oh, "fun" [07:20] Hey folks. [07:20] hey TheMuso! [07:20] how are you? [07:21] larsu: Well thanks. Yourself? [07:21] evening TheMuso [07:21] TheMuso: great! Finally feeling much better after having a bad cold for a long time [07:21] hey TheMuso [07:21] larsu: Great to hear, colds suck. [07:22] hi pitti larsu didrocks seb128 [07:22] and willcooke [07:22] morning hikiko! How's life? [07:22] good :) [07:22] how are you? [07:22] I love how people say hi to willcooke even though he's not here yet [07:22] hikiko: great thanks :) [07:22] lolol [07:22] larsu, he's there [07:23] he said hi at :17 [07:23] damn! I cannot read [07:23] willcooke: belated good morning! [07:23] :-) [07:23] o/ [07:23] and TheMuso ! hi TheMuso [07:23] good morning desktop [07:23] hi desrt :) [07:23] hey desrt [07:23] Happy release day folks, EOD for me. I hope we have a name for X when I get online tomorrow. :) [07:24] TheMuso, we have one now [07:24] morning desrt. How are you? [07:24] willcooke: We do Awesome. [07:24] desrt, isn't it a bit early for you?! [07:24] a bit tired. didn't sleep super-good. [07:24] TheMuso, check Marks blog [07:24] hikiko: in germany for two weeks, remember? :) [07:24] willcooke: Right, I figured. [07:24] :DD [07:24] Anyway, laters folks. [07:25] didrocks, I don't thet that new u-s-d segfault, going through install with decorations on the left [07:25] woah with pictures this time [07:25] hey desrt [07:25] larsu: pictures were there already :p [07:25] hello pitti, seb128 [07:25] well, have fun [07:25] seb128: you are more lucky than I am :) [07:25] didrocks, yeah, at least we fixed one issue [07:25] didrocks: not in the last couple [07:25] better than a non working fix [07:25] yep ;) [07:26] I still thinks that over the ~20 persons testing an iso, if one get a crash, we can't say "this will not happen in the general case", the % is high (or we would need more data) [07:26] ah, xenial makes *a lot* of sense [07:26] * larsu likes [07:26] "xenial xerus" it is then? [07:26] * seb128 dicts [07:26] seb128: oh, we have an animal now? [07:27] pitti: yep, yesterday evening [07:27] and so we do! nice [07:27] pitti: and it is a squirrel! [07:27] http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/508502145-cape-ground-squirrel-xerus-inauris-etosha-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=7OxlzEN3xJ1c4%2Bb6chEutIwsFl8AhaEoPFhxnQIw%2BnOnmndsmWJfdO3w1Dytiern [07:27] I like that wily already knows the new name (distro-info, lintian, vim, etc.) -- it's been some time since we were able to do that [07:27] pitti, http://markshuttleworth.com/archives/1479 [07:27] willcooke: you should never work on marketing ;) [07:28] \o/ [07:28] ever. [07:28] If you read the line in Mark's blog about "big....." I think that's where the joke came from [07:28] * pitti reads the LXD announcement and sighs a little; I wish lxc wouldn't have become so slow [07:29] pitti: no server-less mode? [07:29] didrocks: how do you mean? [07:31] pitti: you were complaining about no LXC standalone mode working without LXD now? (and thus the slowness due to extra communication roundtrip) [07:31] didrocks: no, that booting an lxc container takes quite long (about 10s, vs. some 400 ms in nspawn) [07:32] seb128: I wonder if it's not opening unity-control-center which triggers the crash [07:32] larsu: ^ [07:32] seb128: mind trying? [07:32] didrocks, "not opening"? [07:33] you mean? [07:33] oh, the other way around [07:33] open u-c-c? [07:33] seb128: right ;) (the french "if not…") ;) [07:33] no issue [07:33] "si c'est pas le fait de…" [07:33] * larsu still doesn't understand [07:34] seb128: even after waiting a couple of seconds? [07:34] I did indicator-keyboard -> input settings and went back the main u-c-c grid [07:34] yeah [07:34] I just typed that on IRC [07:34] so it's like 30 secondes [07:34] installation done btw [07:34] on ubiquity only mode? [07:34] I've the "do you want to reboot" dialog [07:34] yes [07:34] ok, I was wondering, was matching quite well [07:35] (like if some plugins were probing something…) [07:35] hmm, "xenial" isn't even on dict.leo.org :) [07:35] didrocks, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/ubiquity.png [07:36] seb128: my only difference is that I have the bluetooth indicator [07:36] pitti: dict.cc has a much better coverage (including xenial) [07:36] but yeah, I did this though before install [07:36] * pitti chuckles about the "courage" [07:36] I don't know how much that could change it… I would say not… [07:38] didrocks, seems like gsd_rr_screen_list_outputs() returns null for you [07:39] yeah, the output being 0x0 [07:39] but that could be expected, no, as the int is 0 as well [07:40] well null[0] isn't going well [07:41] and would it mean you have 0 screen? [07:41] seb128: hum, I'm maybe not in the same part of code than you are, I was in gpm-common.c:1726 [07:41] with external_monitor_is_connected [07:41] (so external listing only?) [07:41] in addition to primary monitor [07:42] outputs = gsd_rr_screen_list_outputs (screen); [07:42] I wonder if ->outputs is NULL becasue of another dangling source [07:43] do we have the u-s-d log somewhere? [07:43] yeah, me too [07:43] wonder if it's similar to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740151 [07:43] Gnome bug 740151 in xrandr "xrandr: Our DBus API registration races with remaining initialization" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [07:43] seb128: no, I rebooted since, but I can reproduce in 10 minutes [07:47] I bet it's similar to ^, some GnomeRRConfigs object laying around [07:47] ya, tracking down what it might be just now [07:48] thanks [07:50] actually there *is* a case when this can be NULL [07:50] didrocks: anythin in the logs? [07:51] larsu: as told, let me finish the current install… you told me that I could reboot :p [07:51] and continue testing [07:51] I'll reproduce then [07:51] (btw, really can't get it in a live session…) [07:53] didrocks: indeed, my mistake :) [08:01] morning [08:02] hey Trevinho [08:02] hey Didier [08:03] hi Trevinho [08:03] hi larsu [08:04] yo [08:05] yoyo [08:07] hey Trevinho [08:08] thanks for merge seb128 [08:08] larsu: seb128: do you know where the logs are stored in the ubiquity only session? [08:08] didrocks: can't reproduce in a vm. Want to try a patch? [08:08] no .cache/upstart [08:08] oh, today netflix finally landed in Italy. /me back soon :P [08:08] didrocks, no, I looked for them yesterday and didn't find them :-/ [08:08] didrocks, maybe in the journal? [08:08] Trevinho: famous last words :P [08:08] seb128: let's see… I highly doubt [08:09] this is basically the same patch as last time :/ [08:09] larsu, on another object? [08:09] nope, just having segfault in libpower.so [08:09] logged in the journal [08:09] seb128: yes [08:09] larsu: let's give it a try I think :) [08:10] cyphermox, do you know where the output/log from e.g unity-settings-daemon are in installer mode? [08:11] didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity-settings-daemon/lp1508327-again [08:11] or prefer an MR? [08:11] larsu: no, I will just build your branch [08:13] thanks. be back in 10 [08:19] seb128: probably in /root? [08:20] Laney, cheque ok? [08:20] cyphermox: /root is empty [08:21] (and I don't think that user-level daemons would be able to write in the root owned dir) [08:27] willcooke: old skool, I'll frame it [08:27] like a Knuth cheque [08:27] :) [08:28] cheques still exist? [08:28] they tried to kill them a couple of years ago but backed down [08:28] so ya [08:29] * Laney only ever uses them to pay people that come around to do work on the house [08:30] * willcooke only ever uses them to pay for school photos [08:32] weird [08:32] flashbacks to a grim pot of combs and the dinner lady combing my hair [08:32] * Laney curls up under the desk [08:32] I think we have them as well still, but I have never given one and only once received (forget why) [08:32] sometimes people post them as presents too [08:33] I would have thought that the advent of those credit card readers which plug in to your phone and/or things like Paypal would be preferable to dealing with a cheque [08:33] but I guess some people still like the misery of going to the bank [08:33] http://www.whizzy.org/2010/03/bye-bye-cheques/ [08:36] it seems that some people enjoy waiting at a queue [08:36] wow, cheques [08:36] I think I got one in my life, ever [08:36] my first bounty from no-name-yet.com in 2004 :) [08:36] awwwwwwww! [08:36] willcooke: think i can stop receiving a paystub in the mail in favour of a pdf any time soon? :) [08:37] I "liked" that for getting 200 EUR I had to pay some 10 EUR in fees, ridiculous [08:37] desrt: isn't this something to take up with the canadian canonical branch? [08:37] desrt, :D I know right! [08:37] larsu: i tried. it's not possible. except that it is possible. [08:37] makes sense [08:37] this is hr, after all [08:37] they sent me pdfs as a one-off when they were posting my paystubs to the wrong address for a few times and sent me some nice beautiful vector pdf equivalents [08:37] When my pay slip doesn't arrive (about 1 time in 5) I email and ask for a PDF copy which they send over in seconds [08:38] but refused to make a routine of it [08:38] same here [08:38] willcooke: just auto email them every month that it didn't arrive? [08:38] * Sweet5hark used traveller cheques on his first travel to the US, because he was a student and didnt had a credit card. [08:38] * desrt gets herself a "return to sender" stamp [08:38] s/that.*// [08:38] Sweet5hark: *wow* [08:39] oh I see what you mean :P [08:39] Sweet5hark: this sentence doesn't make sense in canada [08:39] banks here are falling all over themselves to give credit to _any_ perceived-to-be-untapped market [08:39] desrt: grammar or no traveller's cheques? [08:39] which means being a student = instant approval [08:39] ah. [08:39] being a recent immigrant = instant approval [08:39] foreign students as well? [08:40] which was weird because I used a traveller cheque to get cash. And even back then people in the US used cash a lot less than in europe. [08:40] being a recent immigrant student = i hope you wanted 4 cards because they'll just mail them to you [08:40] (this last part probably isn't true) [08:41] but ya... basically anyone who has a "valid reason" for not having a credit profile and seems like they might be on a path to becoming a constructive member of society == "here. have credit. please. take it. i want you to take the credit. why won't you take the credit. please take the credit. thank you for taking the credit." [08:41] the trouble you have is if you somehow make it to 30 without building credit... then theyre ultra-suspicious [08:42] desrt: hrhr yeah. I wants there for studying though, but for vacation on a tourist visa. [08:42] Sweet5hark: ya.. just saying that this "student = no credit" equivalence only works in europe :) [08:42] so ... upgrade to x today? [08:43] desrt: ah! yeah [08:43] willcooke: nice post, but i still like cash :) [08:43] nooooooooooooooooooooooooo ctrl+C in busybox :p [08:44] willcooke: unless we start giving square to the 5-year-old who runs the lemonade stand :) [08:45] desrt: not as out there as you think it is [08:45] larsu: i know... [08:45] when i was in cincinnati we went to this neighbourhood block party type thing and they had a beer tent which worked on a ticket system [08:46] i had like $2 on me, but managed to scrape together enough bits and pieces from the others to get me a ticket [08:46] but not before some randomer friend of the person selling tickets said "i can just run it through on my square and give you the cash" [08:46] and took it out and plugged it in, ready to go [08:47] the other cultural mismatch was: I carried my traveller cheques close to my body: In a money bag under my shirt. When I first needed some money, I walked into a bank in southern Arizona, still carrying a large hat and sunglasses as I wasnt used to the sun, and started fumbling for something under my jacket/shirt for some time in there .... [08:47] For some lucky reason, I wasnt shot though. [08:47] Sweet5hark: ah. they assumed you were a local who wanted to show off your gun collection and share stories about your latest hunting wins! nice! [08:51] Sweet5hark: reminds me of a friend who visited svalbard telling me that it's completely normal there to walk into a bank with a ski mask and shotgun out.... [08:51] on account of the extreme cold and the freaking polar bears [08:51] Sweet5hark, so, it looks like the libreoffice .desktop actions sections have no translations ... is that a known issue? [08:53] seb128: yes [08:53] Sweet5hark, do you have a bug number? can you include that in your SRU from yesterday (which I didn't upload yet) [08:55] larsu: I guess you fixed it \o/ [08:55] can't get it crash, how hard I tried [08:57] seb128: bug 1170035 -- would involve fixing one most horrible perl horror upstream :/ [08:57] bug 1170035 in Ubuntu Translations "LibreOffice: Translations for QuickList entries are not loaded" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1170035 [08:57] larsu: mind MP it? [08:58] Sweet5hark, what do you mean "loaded"? [08:59] Sweet5hark, included in the .desktop? [08:59] didrocks: awesome! Man I love blind fixing stuff [08:59] didrocks: MR is coming up [08:59] * larsu needs to rebase [08:59] seb128: umm yeah, lemme change that (wasnt written by me) [09:00] Sweet5hark, can we have somebody to do it manually for release? [09:01] seb128: not sure if that will make it simpler -- first have to get those translations out of po files then. Let me have a look. [09:03] man, git bzr really doesn't make this simple [09:06] didrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/unity-settings-daemon/lp1508327-again/+merge/275285 [09:07] larsu: approved, you are going through the train? [09:08] didrocks, larsu, please don't [09:08] larsu: mind linking to the bug report? [09:08] why? [09:08] because it's not going to be respinned [09:08] and I want to include a fix for the xsettings crash [09:08] so it can wait some hours [09:08] well, I know our quality standard are lowers, I know… [09:08] so yeah, ok, as you wish [09:08] still worth linking to the bug report [09:08] well, it's not lower [09:08] just did [09:08] but they are clearly not respinning [09:09] so we can as well batch some more fixes [09:09] right [09:09] well, you have your opinions, I have mine :) [09:09] on what? [09:09] quality [09:09] the fact that they are not respinning? [09:09] well, feel free to get a landing ready and argue [09:10] but seeing -release I doubt they are wanting to respin [09:10] well, seeing they said no yesterday for this one, yeah, I doubt they will [09:10] still sad about it [09:10] yeah, me too [09:10] I think we are on the same side [09:10] I've been fixed e.u.c and bugs full time for like 3 weeks now [09:11] fixing* [09:11] but yeah, we still lack polish and have some issues in the release :-/ [09:11] yep :/ [09:11] let's try to do better for the LTS [09:11] testing ISOs earlier on is a good lesson to learn I think [09:11] and this can be release noted [09:12] I really fear the "it only happens to one person": look at the tracker, 4 people for the desktop image, I guess there is more not reporting, but I think most of them try on virtualbox, so same config… [09:12] anyway, I've made my points, but agreed with Laney, sad that I didn't spot that one on beta [09:13] (did only use my netbook at that time) [09:14] we should have done a round of iso testing in London [09:14] yeah, didn't think about it [09:14] it was even on the blueprint list of items [09:14] oh, well, next time! [09:14] but I wouldn't have that extra hw [09:14] having some more avoid this "let's test in virtualbox" which isn't really adding more values once someone has done it [09:14] yeah, but the segfault was happening in a virtualbox [09:14] your one, right? [09:15] at least the one from yesterday on my machine [09:15] not the other one [09:15] yep [09:15] well, those are race so maybe the one from today would have happened to somebody [09:21] going for a run before it starts raining, bbl! [09:21] didrocks, enjoy! [09:21] thx [09:22] Trevinho: know anything about unity-panel-service not respecting font size anymore? [09:22] * larsu has tiny clock now [09:23] works in the menus [09:24] larsu: unity-panel-service? You say it works in the menus, right? [09:24] yes [09:24] just the panel itself [09:25] icons seem normal as wel [09:25] *well [09:25] mh, so that's unity, not ups [09:25] Mh, we just use the default gtk font I think [09:25] yes, theming it of course [09:26] Trevinho: does it change size for you when you set it in tweak tool? [09:26] it does [09:27] larsu, wfm, when I change org.gnome.desktop.interface font-name the panel adapt as well [09:27] ok what am I doing wrong? Are you both up to date? [09:27] this just happened after an update + reboot for me [09:27] did you disable some u-s-d plugin yesterday when testing that segfault? [09:28] that's how I got bitten by the touchpad this morning :p [09:28] we monitor gtk-settings for that [09:28] Trevinho: which gets it's settings from xsettings plugin [09:28] *its [09:28] larsu, gsettings get org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xrandr active [09:28] ? [09:29] xrandr? [09:29] ups [09:29] xsettings === nudtrobert1 is now known as nudtrobert [09:29] xsettings plugin is active, yes [09:29] :-/ [09:29] does it work in a guest session? [09:29] all other apps change [09:29] let me check [09:30] larsu: also only the indicators don't? WHat about tooltips or other elements? (dash is different) [09:30] seb128: good call it does :/ [09:30] Trevinho: yes [09:30] ok... so /me out of the battle :) [09:31] mh, well, not really... If only indicators don't [09:31] so strange! [09:32] larsu: what about decorations? [09:32] or LIMs? [09:32] works [09:33] mh, samecodepath... [09:33] so yeah, logging out helped [09:33] but wtf [09:34] maybe a race on reading the setting or what? [09:34] thanks [09:34] Trevinho: I guess [09:34] larsu: what was the thing? Now we have to connect to gsettings signals AFTER reading the value? [09:35] they reverted that [09:35] ah, in any case we were doing that [09:35] Trevinho: change it, there's a race there [09:36] larsu: I mean I think we were doing it properly... What's the way? Reading before or after? [09:36] ah, actually that's gtksettings, so... it's not our job [09:36] we don't read the font from gsettings directly [09:40] Trevinho: the correct way is to connect first, then read a value [09:40] ook [09:40] with desrt's patch, you have to do both in that order to get change notifications [09:40] but it's been reverted apparently (it did cause many problems) [09:41] well, much work really, the problems were there before [09:41] oh I should SRU that nautilus fix [09:43] mh, ok so... I think we were doing this mostly right.... Actually there's one place where it's wrong. BUT it doesn't affect indicators (only decorations when setting to use the system font for them) [09:58] Laney, \o/ [09:58] not that we know it fixes it :P [10:06] Laney, :-P [10:07]