[08:11] <Laney> pitti: I just released u-r-u to updates BTW
[08:11] <Laney> thanks!
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: good morning; ah, nice!
[08:11] <Laney> hey
[08:11] <Laney> did you get your 8 hours? :P
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: so now we need to adjust the -meta branch and roll this out
[08:11] <Laney> pitti: indeed, have this committed here, will do
[08:11] <Laney> or will get someone to do
[08:11] <pitti> Laney: indeed I did! I slept until 9, it's been a loooong time since I've been able to do that
[08:12] <pitti> Laney: ah, you did already? good; I wanted to wait until you guys are up to get some more pair of eyes on the changes
[08:12]  * pitti does iso testing in the meantime, although davmor2 already was on fire :)
[08:13] <pitti> Laney: you didn't push yet?
[08:13] <davmor2> pitti: sleep is for the weak ;)
[08:13] <pitti> davmor2: but I hope the iso tracker's time zone is just off or so
[08:14] <pitti> I saw results from you from yesterday 14:00
[08:14] <pitti> which was several hours before they actually got released
[08:14] <pitti> or there's a bug with showing old results
[08:14] <davmor2> pitti: that was the tests for netboot though :P
[08:15] <pitti> davmor2: no, e. g. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/347/builds/105070/testcases/1300/results
[08:15] <pitti> 2015-10-21 14:37
[08:16] <davmor2> pitti: and you ran a test at 03:55
[08:16] <pitti> so I guess it's behind ~ 6 hours
[08:16] <davmor2> pitti: stgraber set it up so I assume it is canada time
[08:16] <pitti> right, makes sense
[08:17] <pitti> ok, amd64 is as good as it ever gets, doing i386 and the ubuntu core ones now
[08:17] <davmor2> pitti: so it would of been 20:37
[08:17] <pitti> Laney: odd, that didn't close the bug task
[08:18] <pitti> Laney: seems you didn't actually release, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+publishinghistory
[08:18] <pitti> Laney: what did you run?
[08:18] <Laney> did the copy work?
[08:18] <pitti> "sru-release wily ubuntu-release-upgrader"?
[08:19] <Laney> sru-release -z 100 wily ubuntu-release-upgrader
[08:19] <Laney> "Copied to wily-updates"
[08:19] <pitti> hm, +publishinghistory disagrees
[08:19]  * Laney plays the x-files theme
[08:19] <pitti> does htis thing need spethial magic for the extra tarball?
[08:20] <pitti> nothing on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[08:20] <pitti> we used to have special instructions many years ago, but I thought this got fixed in LP a long time ago
[08:21]  * pitti runs the command
[08:21] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: I don't know, are you asking because it is missing or because you see it there?
[08:21] <pitti> Laney: hm, worked for me; really odd
[08:21] <Laney> pitti: wait
[08:21] <Laney> it's in the queue
[08:21] <Laney> ah
[08:22] <pitti> Laney: urgh -- why does it land in the queue for you but not for me? ~ubuntu-sru membership or so?
[08:22] <Laney> I guess
[08:22]  * pitti deletes the queue item then
[08:22] <Laney> I had these powers before
[08:22] <Laney> someone's put some kryptonite somewhere around here
[08:22] <davmor2> jibel: infinity: morning guys so the boot to first hard drive issue didn't happen on 14.04's daily live image so only on 15.10, so a bug for xenial.  Also I hit an issue with the screen reader on dvd that I am going to revisit today and see if I can reproduce, works as expected from usb pendrive, on dvd the installer has no commentary but the installed desktop does
[08:23] <pitti> Laney: ok; want me to eyeball your ~ubuntu-core-dev/meta-release/ubuntu change and push?
[08:25] <jibel> davmor2, thanks. I'll try to confirm the screen reader thing
[08:30] <Laney> pitti: I pushed it there (it's manually pulled to changelogs.u.c) if you want to have a look
[08:31] <Laney> the URLs aren't live yet so I couldn't check them that way
[08:31]  * pitti promotes the remaining two MIRs
[08:33] <pitti> Laney: ah, looks straightforward
[08:34] <pitti> Laney: this will just be copied to meta-release later on, right?
[08:34] <pitti> we should probably update meta-release-proposed too, but I guess that's part of the "do the release" dance
[08:34] <Laney> yeah
[08:35] <pitti> Laney: Adam can push this to ch.u.c.
[08:35] <Laney> will wait for the publisher before poking
[08:41] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Because it is missing.
[08:41] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: I suppose it probably should be there
[08:42] <flexiondotorg> I *think* I remember it being there is the past.
[08:42] <flexiondotorg> If I invoke oem-config-first boot with sudo, I get NetworkManager stuff.
[08:43] <cyphermox> if you invoke oem-config-first it will remove NM configs; since you might need some for setting up the oem environment
[08:44] <flexiondotorg> To be clear, there is no network applet in when oem-config runs after is has been prepared.
[08:45] <flexiondotorg> So no option to join a wifi network.
[08:45] <flexiondotorg> No indication that you are connected via a wire.
[08:48] <Riddell> are we nearly there yet?
[08:48] <infinity> Riddell: Not yet. :P
[08:48] <davmor2> jibel: so I'm definitely not getting a screen reader on dvd on hardware let me see if it is the same in kvm
[08:49] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Does this mean the images will be respun again?
[08:49] <infinity> flexiondotorg: No.
[08:49] <flexiondotorg> Yes!
[08:49] <infinity> NO!
[08:49] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I understand :-)
[08:50] <flexiondotorg> My Yes! was pleasure to seeing your No.
[08:50] <flexiondotorg> Was up until 02:30 testing.
[08:52] <pitti> infinity: good morning
[08:56] <davmor2> jibel: so working in kvm with --soundhw ac97  and on pendrive so no idea why it isn't working from dvd
[08:56] <davmor2> jibel: I'll try enabling it in live desktop and see if functions there
[08:56] <jibel> davmor2, can you file a bug it's something for xenial now
[08:57] <davmor2> jibel: sure
[08:59] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: ah, I thought you meant in oem-config-wrapper; the thing that runs after you've set up the session to copy things for the end user.
[09:00] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, No. I mean after the system has been prepared.
[09:00] <cyphermox> so, in the end user session?
[09:00] <cyphermox> or in the oem user session?
[09:00] <flexiondotorg> When you get to choose you language and locale etc.
[09:00] <cyphermox> right
[09:00] <jibel> davmor2, I'm on the remaining tests for i386
[09:00] <cyphermox> that's oem-config-wrapper
[09:01] <cyphermox> I suppose it might be normal
[09:01] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, OK, that's good then :-)
[09:01] <davmor2> flexiondotorg, cyphermox: I had no issues with OEM installs on Ubuntu desktop this time
[09:01] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: it's probably like that since vivid; but maybe it's an issue
[09:01] <flexiondotorg> It's not a problem. Because it all works and there is no need for a network connection.
[09:02] <cyphermox> I just don't know if you'd need to download things in that environment
[09:02] <cyphermox> ah
[09:02] <cyphermox> ok then
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> At least, I don't think there is a need.
[09:02] <cyphermox> let's just make sure you do get an indicator or nm-applet once in the user's session
[09:02] <flexiondotorg> I do.
[09:02] <cyphermox> langpacks maybe, if you pick something not already available?
[09:03] <flexiondotorg> Yes, that is the only thing I can think of that might require network connectivity.
[09:03]  * cyphermox spins up yet another vm
[09:03]  * Laney is trying the server-i386 test which is left
[09:06] <jderose> flexiondotorg: you're right, i didn't even notice that the user config after "prepare for shipping to end user" is no longer prompting you for a wifi password when your not on ethernet, doesn't seem to have networking setup
[09:06] <jderose> flexiondotorg: i'm almost positive it was in vivid
[09:06] <flexiondotorg> jderose, Thanks for the confirmation.
[09:07] <jderose> cyphermox: lack of network config here does mean it can't guess your timezone
[09:07] <flexiondotorg> jderose, It was late and I wasn't sure what the previous behaviour was.
[09:07] <flexiondotorg> jderose, Ah, yes. No timezone detection.
[09:09] <jderose> wonder how recently this changed... i'm pretty sure networking was still enabled here not too long ago in wily
[09:09] <Laney> could test a beta image
[09:11] <jderose> crap, can't believe i missed this. nice catch, flexiondotorg!
[09:11]  * flexiondotorg fears I have thrown a spanner in work :-/
[09:11] <jderose> hehe
[09:12] <flexiondotorg> jderose, So System76 offer non-LTS options then?
[09:12] <jderose> flexiondotorg: yeah. and for skylake, we absolutely had to move to wily
[09:13] <flexiondotorg> Ah, of course.
[09:14] <infinity> Riddell: I'm assuming your images are ready, though you didn't mark them as such?
[09:14] <jderose> historically System76 only offered the latest release, offering the LTS (when we can) is a recent development. but it's proven popular with corporate and scientific customers
[09:14] <flexiondotorg> jderose, Yeah, makes sense.
[09:14] <Riddell> infinity: right, just me wanting to keep getting people from testing them but they're good as far as I'm concerned
[09:14] <infinity> Riddell: Ta.
[09:15] <Riddell> ..keep getting people to test them
[09:18] <pitti> Laney: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development LGTM, thanks! /me does another upgrade test with the "real" do-r-u now
[09:19] <jderose> flexiondotorg: funny thing is, ubi-timezone generally can't guess my timezone from my home IP, so when i've been testing the first run user config this week while ethernet was plugged it, i thought it was the usual behavior, didn't realize networking wasn't enabled :P
[09:19] <davmor2> jibel, popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/orca/+bug/1508844
[09:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1508844 in orca "Screen reader is not triggered during live cd and installer when on DVD on hardware" [Undecided,New]
[09:20] <pitti> Laney: *meep*
[09:20] <pitti> $ sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[09:20] <pitti> Err Upgrade tool signature
[09:20] <pitti>   404  Not Found            WARNING:root:file 'wily.tar.gz.gpg' missing
[09:21] <Laney> full URL?
[09:21] <pitti> which is odd as it's *right there* on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily-updates/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/
[09:21] <Laney> sure looks there to me
[09:21] <Laney> sure is working in schroot for me too
[09:21] <Laney> http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wily-updates/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/ ?
[09:21] <Laney> does it use mirrors?
[09:22] <pitti> hm, possibly
[09:22] <pitti> my apt sources use archive.u.c. though
[09:22] <Laney> "System upgrade is complete."
[09:22] <infinity> Could just be that not all the archive frontends are up to date yet?
[09:22] <pitti> so if at all, it's using some geolocation magic
[09:24] <pitti> argh, *phew* apt proxy FTL
[09:25] <Laney> proxies and u-r-u... feel like we've heard this before
[09:25] <infinity> Hah.  That's the second time in two days that apt-cacher broke someone.
[09:26] <pitti> I temporarily disabled it for downloading the tarball, and it seems to work now; sorry for the noise
[09:26] <Laney> Maybe it's using the apt proxy for too many things
[09:26] <davmor2> jibel: trying on mac too to rule out hardware, but it's odd that 14.04 daily worked but 15.10 didn't, I might try another dvd too just incase that one is slower than the 14.04 one
[09:26] <Laney> Assuming you have it configured in apt only
[09:27] <pitti> Laney: yes, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/95cloud-init-proxy
[09:30] <infinity> pitti: Yeah, apt-cacher doesn't do well with arbitrary files (squid-deb-proxy would be fine in this case).
[09:30] <infinity> pitti: But likely a bug in u-r-u that it uses your apt proxy config to find metadata.  Or maybe it should try once with and once without.
[09:31] <pitti> I tried s-d-p, and found it much worse; not entirely sure why any more, but I think one reason was that you can't use it offline
[09:32] <infinity> zequence: What's the status of studio testing/images?
[09:34] <davmor2> jibel, popey, beginning to suspect the dvd, so will confirm with a new disc
[09:36] <zequence> infinity: We're in middle of testing
[09:42] <jderose> flexiondotorg: just tested with 14.04.3... it doesn't show the NM applet when you're on ethernet, but if not on ethernet it will prompt you to join a WiFi network, does show the NM applet in this case
[09:42] <flexiondotorg> jderose, OK, thanks.
[09:45] <infinity> zequence: Kay.  I'm publishing anyway, but you have a couple of hours to tell me it's all broken and I should delete them. :P
[09:47] <davmor2> jibel, popey: meh same behaviour on another dvd, checking the integrity now, seems to be fine so far :(
[09:50] <cyphermox> flexiondotorg: jderose: did you file a bug about the missing network indicator in the oem-config-wrapper?
[09:50] <zequence> infinity: Why so early this time?
[09:50] <infinity> zequence: Not really that early.  Aiming for an early afternoon (London time) release, as usual.
[09:50] <infinity> zequence: But we always push earlier to let the world settle a bit,
[09:50] <infinity> zequence: I don't always tell people, mind you. :P
[09:51] <zequence> Alright. Yeah, things seem to work for us. Only one test left, I think.
[09:52] <jderose> cyphermox: i haven't yet. flexiondotorg?
[09:53] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Release at 15:10 ;-)
[09:53] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, No. But can do.
[09:53] <flexiondotorg> cyphermox, Just fire fighting something else...
[09:53] <cyphermox> ok
[09:53] <infinity> flexiondotorg: No. :)
[09:54] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Spoil sport.
[09:54] <infinity> flexiondotorg: If we did that, when would I release Ubuntu 24.04?
[09:54] <infinity> THINK, MAN, THINK.
[09:54] <jderose> hehe
[09:55] <Laney> As if the world is going to still exist by then
[09:55] <cyphermox> infinity: on may 24th?
[09:55] <cyphermox> err, april
[09:56] <Laney> 02:40:40
[09:57] <davmor2> jibel, popey: oh that's interesting I tried enabling it in the ubiquity session rather than via the menu and the screen reader worked, so now I'm retrying the menu way again, if that is broken then it might just be calling the system wrong maybe
[09:58] <davmor2> but then it's odd that it works on pendrive when run the same way
[09:59] <pitti> so http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg is now as good as it's going to be
[10:02] <flexiondotorg> jderose, Can you raise the oem-config-wrapper bug and link it here please?
[10:02] <flexiondotorg> The rest of my helpers are sleeping and I'm a little busy.
[10:02] <infinity> pitti: I noticed, thanks.
[10:04] <jderose> flexiondotorg: yeah, on it. then i need to get back to bed, as in theory i'm supposed to be sleeping right now :P
[10:05] <flexiondotorg> jderose, Thank you!
[10:12] <jderose> flexiondotorg: cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1508865
[10:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1508865 in ubiquity "oem-config: networking not enabled during user config" [Undecided,New]
[10:12] <flexiondotorg> jderose, Thanks for that :-)
[10:12] <jderose> np :)
[10:13] <cyphermox> ta
[10:16] <Trevinho> bdmurray: hey, so... Since you told me that the compiz from https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/402 is already in proposed and thus in ddebs, can we cleanup that silo?
[10:17] <seb128> Trevinho, bdmurray, can we just get that one migrated to updates? what's blocking it?
[10:17] <Trevinho> seb128: the bug wasn't added to the changelog (blame the train), but I think the got it
[10:30] <davmor2> jibel: popey: so after several retries, I can confirm it looks like it is all cyphermox and infinity fault :)  infinity is there a way to see the kernel line for screen reader enabled to ensure the option is actually being enabled?  I guess I can enable another mode like free software only and then enable screen reader right?
[10:33] <jibel> davmor2, press space on boot to display the boot menu then F6
[10:34] <davmor2> jibel: thanks
[10:34] <jibel> willcooke, seb128 you're happy with the desktop section of the release notes?
[10:35] <jibel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes#Ubuntu_Desktop
[10:36] <willcooke> jibel, +1
[10:37] <davmor2> jibel: so I see nothing change when I enable screen reader, let me see what happens on usb stick
[10:37] <seb128> jibel, works for me
[10:41] <jibel> jamespage, gaughen anything you'd like to add for server https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes ? there is nothing currently
[10:41] <jamespage> jibel, I'll add some openstack bits - jgrimm, smoser and rharper can do general server
[10:43] <jibel> thanks
[10:44] <cyphermox> davmor2: what is this about?
[10:45] <davmor2> cyphermox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/orca/+bug/1508844
[10:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1508844 in orca "Screen reader is not triggered during live cd and installer when on DVD on hardware" [Undecided,New]
[10:46] <cyphermox> in non-efi you might not actually see the command-line changes in various cases, it's not a bug
[10:47]  * cyphermox tries
[10:47] <davmor2> cyphermox: works fine on 14.04 daily live, works fine from pendrive, works fine on virtual dvd on kvm with --soundhw ac97, just doesn't work from real dvd on real hardware hardware
[10:47] <cyphermox> davmor2: sounds very very suspect.
[10:48] <davmor2> cyphermox: try a secondary dvd, both dvd's pass the integrity test, both have the same behaviour, but as I say 14.04 daily on dvd in the same system works with no issues
[10:48] <davmor2> s/try/I tried
[10:49] <cyphermox> dvd> what image?
[10:49] <jibel> pitti, is bug 1508744 the same bug you fixed in wily?
[10:49] <ubot2> bug 1508744 in lxc "Upgrade to Ubuntu 15.10 Broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1508744
[10:49] <pitti> jibel: looking, but very likely
[10:50] <davmor2> cyphermox: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[10:50] <nhaines> I found a typo in the release notes.  "Blueman 2.0 is now include and used by several flavours along with BlueZ 5.35." should be "Blueman 2.0 is now included and used by several flavours along with BlueZ 5.35."
[10:50] <pitti> jibel: inconclusive, let me respond there
[10:51] <davmor2> cyphermox: I find it really odd that the same image on pendrive works with no issues, and the same image on kvm has no issues
[10:51] <cjwatson> nhaines: fixed, thanks, though it's a wiki so feel free to edit directly if you notice typos and such
[10:52] <nhaines> cjwatson: this was my first impulse, but it's an immutable page.  :)
[10:52] <davmor2> cyphermox: I managed to trigger the screen reader if I let it boot straight to ubiquity session but not if I trigger it from the f5 menu, just really weird
[10:52] <cjwatson> oh, maybe it's locked to ... something
[10:52] <pitti> jibel: no, looks different, replied
[10:52] <cjwatson> you sure you're logged in?
[10:53] <nhaines> cjwatson: yup!  But after a refresh, it's no longer locked.
[10:53] <nhaines> No wait, it's locked again.
[10:53] <nhaines> \o/
[10:53] <cjwatson> wibble
[10:54]  * nhaines shrugs.
[10:54] <nhaines> Looks like it's a wiki.ubuntu.com problem, not an issue withh the page actually being locked.
[10:55] <cjwatson> that seems likely
[10:58] <nhaines> Someone else fixed the thing I noticed, so I fixed something else that was more trivial. \o/
[11:00] <cyphermox> davmor2: I get no sound, but I think it's because the kvm sound is broken, orca is running, and all the settings set in casper-a11y-enable are set.
[11:01] <davmor2> cyphermox: yes it works for me in kvm I did say that, it's only really dvd on real hardware where it doesn't,
[11:03] <cyphermox> davmor2: ah, I understood it the other way around
[11:04] <cyphermox> are you sure that hardware can do sound?
[11:04] <cyphermox> and that the volume is up?
[11:05] <davmor2> cyphermox: yeap I hear the drums, and on pendrive on the same system it works, and if I let ubiquity session start and the drums go I can then trigger screen reader and I hear it, just not from the f5 menu
[11:06] <davmor2> cyphermox: the really weird think is though that the screenreader is on, on the installed system so it is only the ubiquity session that is not having the screenreader work
[11:06] <jamespage> rbasak, hey - if you are around, I've done what I can with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes for server, but there are a few general server things I'm not sure on  (all in comments on the page)
[11:06] <davmor2> cyphermox: or the live cd session for that matter
[11:07] <davmor2> cyphermox: the kvm command I used is as follows kvm -m 2048 -vga vmware -cpu host --soundhw ac97 -cdrom wily-desktop-amd64.iso -hda kvm-images/ubuntu20hda.qcow2 -boot d  that gives me audio then
[11:08] <rbasak> jamespage: looking
[11:09] <jamespage> rbasak, ta
[11:09] <rbasak> jamespage: so Juju has a 1.24.7 now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/juju-core/+bug/1506652
[11:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1506652 in juju-core "[needs-packaging] Juju 1.24.7 is not in Ubuntu" [Undecided,Triaged]
[11:10] <jamespage> rbasak, is that actually uploaded yet?
[11:10] <rbasak> No
[11:10] <jamespage> or released from proposed
[11:10] <jamespage> (in juju stream terms)
[11:10] <jibel> cyphermox, is usb-creator completely busted in wily?
[11:11] <rbasak> Oh it might still be in proposed
[11:11] <rbasak> So then 1.24.6 is the latest stable from upstream so the note is correct. Sorry.
[11:12] <rbasak> jamespage: the notes look fine to me, thanks.
[11:12] <rbasak> teward: did you have anything to add for nginx?
[11:12] <jamespage> rbasak, erm missing MAAS LXD LXC (still commented)
[11:12] <rbasak> Oh, commented as in the source? I get it :)
[11:12] <jamespage> yah
[11:14] <rbasak> MySQL hasn't changed (at all)
[11:15] <rbasak> LXC and MAAS, I don't know. Will have to defer to stgraber and roaxsoax.
[11:22] <cyphermox> jibel: just writing amd64 images from i386, because we run the syslinux from the image you're trying to write, so that it writes an image that is bootable.
[11:26] <jibel> cyphermox, do you know if bug 1467989 is still an issue, it is commented in the release notes.
[11:26] <ubot2> bug 1467989 in multipath-tools "Boot issues running multipath with a large number of paths" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467989
[11:26] <jibel> ?
[11:26] <Riddell> hello
[11:26] <Laney> hi
[11:26] <davmor2> Riddell: hello
[11:27] <cyphermox> jibel: it's probably a little better but I'm not certain
[11:27] <cyphermox> I don't typically have very many paths when testing :/
[11:31] <jamespage> infinity, hey - do I have time for a sync of a fix for bug 1508463 from Debian? its an unseeded universe package?
[11:31] <ubot2> bug 1508463 in aodh "alembic.ini is missing from the aodh install source" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1508463
[11:33] <infinity> jamespage: Yes, be fast.
[11:33] <infinity> Or, I'll do it.
[11:34] <jamespage> infinity, I need -6 but lp has not noticed yet
[11:34] <jamespage> greee
[11:34] <jamespage> at
[11:34] <infinity> jamespage: Oh.
[11:34] <infinity> jamespage: Then I'll fakesync -6 for you. :P
[11:34] <jamespage> infinity, thankyou very much :-)
[11:41] <infinity> jamespage: ^
[11:41] <jamespage> infinity, ta
[11:41] <infinity> jamespage: Will make sure that migrates before I close wily. :P
[11:42] <jamespage> thankyou
[11:58] <utlemming> Cloud images are ready to go, and marked as such on our tracker: http://cloud.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/349/builds
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: nice1
[12:02] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Release ETA?
[12:02] <ogra_> flexiondotorg, stop being pushy :P
[12:03] <flexiondotorg> Not at all.
[12:03] <flexiondotorg> Just trying to figure out if I can pick up my daughter from school :-)
[12:04] <ogra_> if we delay she will have to learn til evening ?
[12:04] <ogra_> poor girl :)
[12:04] <Riddell> omg pre-announcing as usual...
[12:04] <ogra_> yeah, sigh
[12:04] <ogra_> they never learn
[12:05] <flexiondotorg> Riddell, And Softpedia.
[12:05] <ogra_> yup
[12:05] <ogra_> pretty quiet in #ubuntu-release-party today
[12:12] <rsalveti> ogra_: is it out yet? :P
[12:12] <nhaines> Yeah, I'm trying to keep the links off /r/Ubuntu.
[12:12]  * ogra_ hugs rsalveti 
[12:15]  * rsalveti hugs ogra_ back
[12:21] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Around 2pm London time, I think.  Just eating some lunch while things settle down.
[12:21] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Cheers.
[12:40] <teward|web> is Wily releasing today, per the release date listed on the wiki?
[12:40] <Laney> Sure is
[12:41] <ogra_> if nothing goes wrong it will be
[12:41] <davmor2> jibel: did the screen reader bug get listed?
[12:42] <teward|web> Laney: so, it's on the radar, but not yet "complete"/announced?
[12:42] <rbasak> teward|web: did you see my message about release notes and nginx?
[12:42] <ogra_> teward|web, exactly
[12:43] <teward|web> rbasak: which message?  a PM to 'teward'?
[12:43] <rbasak> No, in here.
[12:43] <rbasak> teward|web: please edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes if you have any relevant notes.
[12:43] <teward|web> rbasak: negative - no ZNC
[12:43] <rbasak> There's a section for Ubuntu Server.
[12:43] <teward|web> ack
[12:44] <infinity> utlemming: Yo.
[12:44] <utlemming> infinity: here
[12:45] <infinity> utlemming: You can push your button any time, we'll be announcing in the next 15m.  Just want to verify your links work. ;)
[12:45] <utlemming> infinity: pushing ow
[12:45] <utlemming> er, now
[12:45] <utlemming> ETA is roughly 5 minutes
[12:46] <teward|web> rbasak: To my knowledge, there's nothing Wily-related with NGINX that needs a release notes.  Xenial is the one that really needs attention.  If I put anything there, it'll be a note that Wily has 1.9.4, which may have features which have bugs in the functionality, and that it does not have HTTP/2 support.  But the big one's going to be for Xenial.  (I know it's Xenial because the release notes bug I made for X-series had that phrase repla
[12:47] <cjwatson> teward|web: you can know it's that because http://markshuttleworth.com/archives/1479
[12:47] <rbasak> teward|web: the end of that got cut off I think. But yeah - if there's no need to say anything then don't botther.
[12:47] <teward|web> cjwatson: didn't see that yet :0
[12:47] <teward|web> as i said, no ZNC, no nice feeds form my laptop ;)
[12:47] <teward|web> rbasak: i hate webchat with a passion - stupid char trim.
[12:47] <teward|web> rbasak: there's nothing important for Wily with regards to nginx, no.  For Xenial, yes.
[12:47] <teward|web> cjwatson: thanks
[12:48]  * teward|web should probably follow Mark's pages :P
[12:48] <rbasak> teward|web: OK, thanks.
[12:48] <teward|web> rbasak: quick PM though, semi-important
[12:51] <utlemming> infinity: AWS API's are being slow, but things are moving along, the links are good though (when the process completes).
[12:51] <infinity> utlemming: Is http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/15.10/release correct?
[12:52] <utlemming> infinity: yes, I just changed that a few minutes ago
[12:52] <infinity> Kay.
[13:04] <jibel> pitti, I couldn't reproduce the lxc upgrade issue so far, did you?
[13:04] <pitti> jibel: no, I couldn't either; I upgraded it several times for that other bugs
[13:04] <pitti> bug
[13:12] <flocculant> infinity: far off now?
[13:13] <infinity> flocculant: It's all in the hands of our IS people setting up some cloud redirection magic.  I'm hoping "soon".
[13:13] <flocculant> okey doke - thanks :)
[13:18] <mgedmin> "Due to changes in syslinux, it is not currently possible to use usb-creator from 14.04 and earlier releases to write USB images for 15.04"
[13:18] <mgedmin> was this meant to say "15.10"?
[13:19] <mgedmin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseNotes#Boot.2C_installation_and_post-install
[13:19] <apw> or "15.04 and later"
[13:19] <nhaines> No, but should probably say--what apw said.  :)
[13:21] <pitti> should the LibO section be trimmed a bit? Enumerating 10 "foo improvements" isn't very informative
[13:22] <pitti> either we describe the improvements, or summarize this with "Improvements in foo, bar, bla" or skip this compleltely?
[13:22] <jibel> seb128, ^
[13:22] <bdmurray> seb128: there is nothing blocking it I was thinking we didn't really need to put it in -updates and make everyone download it since they don't need the ddebs and we already have them.
[13:23] <willcooke> pitti, yeah, I think that makes sense.  There is a link to the main LO notes anyway, so we can just go with that
[13:23] <willcooke> pitti, shall I change it?
[13:23] <pitti> willcooke: please
[13:24] <willcooke> on it...
[13:25] <seb128> bdmurray, ok, ok, wfm
[13:25] <seb128> jibel, pitti, willcooke, wfm
[13:31] <willcooke> pitti, done.  Sorry, had to remember how to disable wikinames :)
[13:31] <pitti> willcooke: yay, thank you
[13:33] <Riddell> facebook says it's out?
[13:33] <Laney> So it does
[13:39] <teward|web> has it been released, though?  I don't see any announcement email yet.
[13:39] <apw> teward|web, the email defines when it is released ... so ... :)
[13:39] <teward|web> indeed :0
[13:39] <teward|web> :) *
[13:39] <teward|web> god i hate not having my computer with my keyboard >.>
[13:39] <teward|web> this irritates me
[13:41] <cjwatson> Riddell: still waiting for cloudfront redirect so that the release doesn't melt the DC - just escalated
[13:44] <nhaines> The insights.ubuntu.com article just showed up.  That probably means it's actually out.  ;)
[13:44] <infinity> nhaines: Or not. :P
[13:45] <nhaines> infinity: must be.  I read it on the Internet!
[13:45] <willcooke> le sigh
[13:45] <Laney> It says "will be" or similar
[13:45] <Laney> :)
[13:45] <willcooke> The G+ post headline is "We've launched!"
[13:45] <willcooke> :/
[13:46] <cjwatson> yeah I think we need to get comms to jump the gun a bit less
[13:46] <nhaines> Hmm, the insights article seems to imply a *much* more advanced Unity 8 session experience than I've ever managed to work.
[13:46] <cjwatson> oh well
[13:49] <Riddell> they probably just copy omg :)
[13:51] <popey> jderose: heh
[13:51] <popey> er, oops :)
[13:53] <infinity> willcooke: We've launched!*  (11 years ago).
[13:53] <willcooke> :D::D
[13:54] <Laney> launched a south african into space
[13:58] <willcooke> :)
[14:05] <nhaines> I'm starting to doubt the wisdom of staying up to make sure the right threads got pinned in /r/Ubuntu.
[14:10] <teward|web> There's the email.  Now Wily is released!
[14:10] <teward|web> (topic change needed?)
[14:13] <lordievader> Whoop, whoop. Congratulations!
[14:13] <infinity> teward|web: Erk, ignore the email to ubuntu-release. :P
[14:13] <infinity> teward|web: It's not moderated to ubuntu-announce yet.
[14:13] <teward|web> ack
[14:14] <infinity> Intentionally...
[14:14] <infinity> *sigh*
[14:14] <teward|web> my bad then :0
[14:14] <teward|web> :) *
[14:14] <lordievader> Aww :(
[14:14] <infinity> A bit of a mess here, sorry.
[14:14] <teward|web> infinity: no problem
[14:14] <davmor2> infinity: take a deep breath, count to 10 and exhale
[14:14] <teward|web> infinity: IMO, though, if it's being held off from the announce list, should it have actually been sent out?
[14:15] <teward|web> (there are those who watch both lists, miscommunications like this will happen if people are watching both lists)
[14:15] <infinity> teward|web: I shouldn't have sent it, apparently, but was only told that 30 seconds after I pressed send. ;)
[14:15] <teward|web> ah OK :0
[14:15] <infinity> teward|web: Life's like that.
[14:15] <teward|web> :)  *
[14:15] <cjwatson> teward|web: second-guessing isn't very helpful right now, please don't
[14:15]  * teward|web kicks his keyboard out the window
[14:15] <teward|web> cjwatson: ack
[14:15] <nhaines> infinity: that sounds like the timimg's about right.  :)
[14:23] <flexiondotorg> infinity, I'm getting an AccessDenied from cdimage.u.c. Is that intentional?
[14:23] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Possibly.
[14:24] <pietroalbini> flexiondotorg, it's working for me
[14:24] <infinity> flexiondotorg: That would be the CloudFront redirect, which is perhaps still a work in progress.
[14:24] <infinity> pietroalbini: Not the ISOs.
[14:25] <flexiondotorg> Just the isos are Access Denied.
[14:25] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Right, cause just the ISOs get redirected to AWS.
[14:25] <pietroalbini> infinity, I can download xubuntu-15.10-desktop-amd64.iso without problems
[14:25] <infinity> And that's the thing we've been sorting out for the last hour. :/
[14:25] <flocculant> infinity and team - thanks :)
[14:25] <nhaines> infinity: I'm tired, but I'm grateful it's not me.  :)
[14:26] <flexiondotorg> infinity, OK.
[14:30] <flexiondotorg> infinity, Lubuntu and Ubuntu MATE isos are Access Denied. The others appear to be working.
[14:32] <cjwatson> flexiondotorg: try again?
[14:33] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Thanks!
[14:33] <cjwatson> (wasn't me, just passing it on :-) )
[14:33] <flexiondotorg> Confirm Lubuntu and Ubuntu MATE iso downloads are working.
[14:33] <flexiondotorg> cjwatson, Pass on my thanks :-)
[14:40] <Pici> thanks for all the hard work everyone!
[14:40] <cjwatson> changelogs.ubuntu.com meta-release stuff is live, so upgraders should start arriving
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> can I push stuff to wily-security now?
[14:41] <infinity> chrisccoulson: Yes.
[14:41] <Laney> go nuts
[14:41]  * Riddell sheds a tear, that'll be my last release as release manager
[14:42] <popey> nice work people!
[14:42] <teward|web> great job, Release Team!
[14:42] <willcooke> thanks release team!
[14:42] <nhaines> Congrats, everyone!  :D
[14:42] <ogra_> yay
[14:43] <cyphermox> yeah, thanks all
[14:43] <cjwatson> and we have a couple of hours left in the day to start opening xenial!
[14:43] <Laney> Riddell: oh no
[14:43] <cjwatson> that's the fun bit ...
[14:45] <didrocks> thanks release team ;)
[14:46] <Laney> thanks iso tester slash developer slash cheese eater
[14:46] <flexiondotorg> infinity, cyphermox, Laney, popey, cjwatson, seb128, didrocks, ogra_, sil2100, mhall119, pitti, bregma - Thanks for your help with Ubuntu MATE 15.10!
[14:46]  * mhall119 isn't sure what he did to help, but you're welcome :)
[14:47] <flexiondotorg> You're all mention in out release notes - https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-wily-final-release/
[14:47] <flexiondotorg> mhall119, The community catch up thing :-)
[14:47] <sil2100> flexiondotorg: more like thank you for all your hard work! :)
[14:47]  * ogra_ hugs flexiondotorg 
[14:47] <sil2100> Congrats everyone
[14:47] <flexiondotorg> So tired. many typos.
[14:47] <mhall119> ah, happy to do that, let's do it again in the 16.04 cycle
[14:47] <didrocks> flexiondotorg: thanks for your work on it! :)
[14:47] <Laney> flexiondotorg: aim for upload access for +6 months?
[14:47] <Laney> :)
[14:48] <flexiondotorg> Laney, yeah. I've burneden you all enough ;-)
[14:48] <flexiondotorg> And for those of you that don't know about it - https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[14:49] <teward|web> flexiondotorg: i assume there'll be a Wily image?
[14:49] <teward|web> :P
[14:49] <flexiondotorg> teward|web, Already released :-)
[14:49] <teward|web> flexiondotorg: nice.  Got a question for you but I'll go to the IRC chan for MATE
[14:49] <flexiondotorg> Did it alongside all the hard work you fella were doing this week.
[15:28] <slangasek> cjwatson, infinity: sil2100 has reminded me that we have packages in the wily phone stable overlay ppa that want binary copying forward into xenial; any reason I shouldn't do that immediately?
[15:39] <cjwatson> slangasek: we literally only just initialised, give it a bit longer
[15:39] <cjwatson> like a minute ago
[15:41] <slangasek> ok :)
[15:47] <slangasek> pitti: why is there a python-dbusmock package currently building in the stable-phone-overlay ppa?
[15:47] <slangasek> sil2100: ^^ fyi
[15:47] <pitti> slangasek: ... because pete-woods asked me to?
[15:47] <pitti> like "I need this fix, please land in vivid and wily"
[15:47] <pitti> bad timing?
[15:48] <slangasek> pitti: pete-woods doesn't manage those ppas, the landing team does ;)  landings are supposed to be built in the silos, then binary copied to the overlay ppa
[15:48] <slangasek> (after testing)
[15:48] <pitti> slangasek: I discussed that with sil2100 a while ago (when we started doing that), and he was okay with that
[15:48] <slangasek> ok
[15:48] <pitti> i. e. essentially backporting from the devel series
[15:49] <pitti> (which in this case is sid, but same difference)
[15:49] <slangasek> it looked odd to me, and I'm currently queuing up packages for binary-copy to xenial, so it was noteworthy
[15:49] <flexiondotorg> I was going to go to sleep, but I see Xenial is open for busy :-D
[15:49] <flexiondotorg> *business
[15:49] <flexiondotorg> OK, typo rate is high. Perhaps sleep now.
[15:50] <slangasek> and there are three packages in the wily overlay that are older than the version in wily.... oxide-qt, ubuntu-touch-meta, unity-scope-mediascanner
[15:51] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: hi, what's the difference between oxide-qt 1.9.5-0ubuntu1~overlay1 and 1.9.5-0ubuntu1?  Why was an ~overlay1 package needed?
[15:53] <chrisccoulson> slangasek, I've no idea. The person who requested that could probably answer though
[15:53] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: sorry, who would that have been? the package changelog points to you
[15:53] <chrisccoulson> slangasek, it wasn't me :(
[15:53] <slangasek> ok
[15:53] <slangasek> ah, uploader field is sil2100
[15:53] <slangasek> sil2100: ^^
[15:54] <sil2100> Hey
[15:54] <sil2100> No difference in source, it's just rebuilt in the overlay-ppa
[15:54] <slangasek> sil2100: ok, why was that needed for wily?
[15:54] <sil2100> Since dbarth wanted to make sure it's rebuilt against the proper media-hub that's on the phone
[15:55] <sil2100> That was probably when we started landing wily to the overlay
[15:55] <chrisccoulson> I know we need that for vivid, but why is that needed for wily? Shouldn't the proper media-hub have ended up in the archive?
[15:55] <slangasek> "shouldn't" - maybe, but it didn't. archive has media-hub 4.0.0, wily overlay has 4.1.0
[15:55] <slangasek> so that explains, at least
[15:56] <slangasek> sil2100: fwiw in this case a version number > wily instead of < wily would have helped; I can't copy this oxide-qt package forward to xenial
[15:56] <sil2100> Yeah, not sure if we want to copy the oxide-qt from the overlay, it anyway has lower version than what's in wily
[15:56] <sil2100> Oh
[15:56] <slangasek> sil2100: so we'll need another oxide-qt upload against the new media-hub, in xenial
[15:56] <sil2100> slangasek: there's a new oxide-qt in flight now
[15:56] <slangasek> ok
[15:57] <sil2100> So this should get fixed this week probably
[15:57] <chrisccoulson> note, 1.9.5 is obsolete now ;)
[15:59] <slangasek> the other two packages with lower versions in the ppa are ubuntu-touch-meta (Mirv) and unity-scope-mediascanner (james-henstridge). -mediascanner seems to be straight up obsoleted by a -0ubuntu2 version in the archive
[15:59] <slangasek> but due to pinning, the wily images are using the stale one from the overlay ppa
[16:00] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: not so obsolete that it's not the latest version in the wily release... :)
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> slangasek, it was until a minute or so ago https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/oxide-qt/1.10.3-0ubuntu0.15.10.1 :)
[16:01] <slangasek> heh
[16:02] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: ok, will you be taking care to copy that into xenial?
[16:02] <chrisccoulson> slangasek, I can't, but jdstrand probably could
[16:09] <Mirv> slangasek: yes, https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.wily_add_qt5-image-formats-plugins/+merge/274882 just needs retargeting to xenial
[16:09] <Mirv> and done at https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.wily_add_qt5-image-formats-plugins/+merge/275386
[16:16] <infinity> pitti: autopkgtest for xenial, please.
[16:16] <infinity> pitti: And ddebs.
[16:16] <infinity> pitti: And retracers. ;)
[16:17] <seb128> he called it a day 15 minutes ago or so, I guess that's going to be for tomorrow
[16:17] <Laney> it says seb128 can do retracers
[16:17] <Laney> ;-)
[16:18] <seb128> lol
[16:18] <infinity> seb128: Good thing you spoke up. ;)
[16:18] <Laney> busted
[17:21] <slangasek> cjwatson: overlay ppa copy> how about now? ;)  (In principle I think these packages should be treated as part of archive initialization, just from a different source, so shouldn't wait for e.g. toolchain to land)
[17:24] <cjwatson> slangasek: just trying to fix the publisher
[17:25] <cjwatson> which will be kind of useful in the cause of getting anything to build, so is higher priority
[17:26] <cjwatson> and I would prefer to make sure it works before publishing more stuff
[17:31] <slangasek> ack
[17:32] <cjwatson> but shouldn't be too much longer - certainly hope not because it is pub o'clock
[17:32] <slangasek> :)
[17:36] <tsimonq2> so what now? Wily is released, do we still have tasks to do for Wily, or are we moving on to Xenial?
[17:37] <cjwatson> wily's handed over to stable maintenance, we're working on opening xenial
[17:37] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: so is Xenail opened right after the release of WIly, or does it take a bit?
[17:38] <tsimonq2> *xenial
[17:38] <cjwatson> like I say, we're working on it
[17:38] <tsimonq2> ok :)
[17:38] <cjwatson> it's not instant but we like it not to take too long
[17:39] <apw> t'is normally opened as soon as soon as we have a name :)
[17:39] <tsimonq2> (first time being around on this side for a release, just out of curiosity, no pressure intended)
[17:39] <tsimonq2> apw: but we have a name
[17:39] <cjwatson> and we are opening it
[17:39] <cjwatson> so stop asking :)
[17:39] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewReleaseCycleProcess shows you how much we have to do
[17:40] <cjwatson> we're about half-way through, in terms of step count, may not translate to half-way in terms of elapsed time
[17:40] <tsimonq2> so what step are you guys on?
[17:41] <cjwatson> 20
[17:41] <tsimonq2> ok :)
[17:41] <tsimonq2> any way that I can follow along, or do I just need to ask?
[17:42] <cjwatson> we generally witter about it here as we go
[17:43] <tsimonq2> ok :)
[17:43] <cjwatson> slangasek: ok, feel free to do those copies assuming that you're checking manually for conflicts (and perhaps appropriateness) and that you're copying to xenial-proposed and not xenial :)
[17:43] <slangasek> cjwatson: check and check
[17:43] <cjwatson> (I assume it's possible that a package might have diverged in both directions between wily release and the overlay)
[17:44] <slangasek> ah
[17:44] <slangasek> if it diverged in both and the overlay ppa version is newer, then my method fails to detect this
[17:45] <cjwatson> could probably work it out by a quick changelog grep
[17:45] <slangasek> let me quickly check for any !-0ubuntu1 packages
[17:45] <cjwatson> (cf. the thing that auto-promotes -security to -updates)
[17:45] <cjwatson> copy-report, that's the one
[17:46] <tsimonq2> typo here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[17:46] <tsimonq2> it says 15.04 in the title
[17:46] <ogra_> the release shedule is only a template at this time of the release (usually at least)
[17:46] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: I assume you're fixing since you have an edit lock
[17:47] <ogra_> the actual schedule gets worked out at vUDS normally
[17:47] <ogra_> but yeah, just fix it :)
[17:47] <cjwatson> you might as well fix the "back to" link while you're there
[17:47] <tsimonq2> ok, it just says please do not edit, so I wanted to check first
[17:47] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: WHat do you mean?
[17:48] <cjwatson> at the top, it says back to VividVervet
[17:48] <cjwatson> rather than back to XenialXerus
[17:48] <tsimonq2> oh hahahah
[17:48] <tsimonq2> got it
[17:48] <cjwatson> please do not edit> the point there is to stop people crowd-editing the schedule and introducing confusion, not so much for fixing typos and such, which is fine (and thanks)
[17:49] <tsimonq2> ok :)
[17:50] <slangasek> ok yes, these all check out
[17:50] <slangasek> copying now
[17:50] <cjwatson> slangasek: I assume you're taking care of getting the landing team to redirect their stuff to vivid-overlay + xenial, too?
[17:50] <slangasek> cjwatson: yes
[17:50] <cjwatson> cool
[17:50] <tsimonq2> so as some people know, I am a teenager, so for Social Studies, I get to do a current events presentation on the release of Ubuntu 15.10!
[17:51] <tsimonq2> I am happy!
[17:51] <cjwatson> :-)
[17:51] <tsimonq2> irrelevant?
[17:52] <tsimonq2> oh hahahahahaha
[17:52] <tsimonq2> should I create the XenialXerus page and just copy everything from WilyWerewolf, or should I let someone else do that?
[17:53] <cjwatson> It's a pretty simple page, I think feel free to copy it, maybe with the not-yet-existent milestones commented out or something.  Have a look at the history of WilyWerewolf and see how it started
[17:53] <tsimonq2> ok :)
[17:55] <tsimonq2> I have to go, end of Study Hall, here it is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus
[17:55] <cjwatson> thanks!
[17:55] <tsimonq2> and it only shoes children to that page
[17:55] <tsimonq2> *shows
[17:56] <tsimonq2> so yeah
[17:56] <tsimonq2> bye
[17:56] <cjwatson> ah yes
[18:04] <slangasek> y
[18:07] <slangasek> cjwatson, sil2100: wily overlay-ppa -> xenial-proposed copy done
[18:12] <sil2100> slangasek: \o/ thank you!
[18:14] <cjwatson> gcc-5 will need to be retried once binutils has built and published everywhere
[18:14] <cjwatson> (that one perhaps could be a dep-wait, I think it's in the category of things the LP webapp isn't quite smart enough to process so buildd doesn't emit dep-waits for those)
[18:28] <davmor2> cyphermox: did you have any joy with that screen reader issue?
[19:16] <robru> oooOOOOoooooh, xenial
[19:27] <slangasek> I keep wanting to pronounce that 'genial' as in Spanish, but that is etymologically incorrect :(
[21:14] <cyphermox> davmor2: sorry, I did not dig in more into it; there are other bugs higher in priority this week :)