[00:21] <muka_> Can someone tell me if Meizu MX4 would work on t-mobile network in US? Also, is it possible to get MX4 Android edition and flash it to Ubuntu?
[00:22] <nhaines> It would, where T-Mobile hasn't disabled their 2G network.
[00:22] <nhaines> It is possible to flash some  Android MX4s with Ubuntu, but you won't be able to tell until you have it in your hand.
[00:23] <nhaines> So maybe don't do that.
[00:27] <muka_> nhaines, thank you.
[00:28] <nhaines> muka_: you're welcome, and good luck finding one.  It's a nie system.  :)
[00:29] <nhaines> s/nie/nice/
[00:30] <muka_> Is there a hardware difference between Android vs Ubuntu edition?
[00:33] <nhaines> Not that I'm aware of.
[00:33] <nhaines> Other than the screen, I mean.
[05:01] <JMD> Hey I got a Nexus 4 runing ubuntu touch, I saw that OTA7 should be release 26 but mine says r24 anyone know why?
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> JMD: wich channel are you on?
[05:02] <JMD> Good question, hang on
[05:03] <nhaines> JMD: there was no OTA7 for mako yet.
[05:03] <nhaines> Should be coming soon.
[05:04] <nhaines> The "why" is that they're in the middle of arranging things so that it's closer to the retail phone images.
[05:04] <JMD> Ahah, ok
[05:04] <JMD> thx
[05:05] <JMD> Really liking Ubuntu touch, has come on a long way, just wish it had whatsapp
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> JMD: telegram instead
[05:05] <lotuspsychje> whatsapp is very unsecure
[05:06] <nhaines> source: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg16328.html
[05:06] <JMD> I know, I'd use that anyday, but it's difficult to get other ppl to come over
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> JMD: yes security is hard to convince to ppl over enjoyment
[05:06] <JMD> ppl look blankly when you try and tell them
[05:06] <lotuspsychje> lol been there
[05:07] <lotuspsychje> ususally i get answers like:..but why dont you install messenger or whatsapp
[05:09] <JMD> and sadly the most coverage of Telegram I've seen was a report that terrorists where using it cos of it's security....
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> lol
[05:13] <JMD> so back to OTA7, I was mislead then by online tech sites who all said it was available for the Nexus 4
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> JMD: GOT URL FOR THAT?
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> oops
[05:15] <JMD> sure hang on
[05:15] <JMD> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/ubuntu-touch-ota-7-fully-deployed-developers-begin-work-on-ota-8-494961.shtml
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> JMD: yeah mentions n4
[05:18] <nhaines> They've also reported me as being a Canonical employee twice.
[05:18] <JMD> here too: http://techfrag.com/2015/10/21/ubuntu-touch-ota-7-update-available-download-supported-devices/
[05:19] <lotuspsychje> journalism...they never investigate the real facts
[05:21] <JMD> So where should I be looking to make sure I'm getting the right news? The Canonical email list?
[05:23] <nhaines> Prett much.
[05:23] <nhaines> Pretty much.  :)
[05:23] <JMD> ok
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> JMD: i read omgubuntu and softpedia, but some facts might be untrue indeed
[05:24] <nhaines> Of course, they also didn't bother telling anyone until somebody asked, so...  :)
[05:24] <lotuspsychje> JMD: the twitter is pretty nice too: https://twitter.com/ubuntu
[05:26] <JMD> cool, thx
[05:29] <JMD> the twitter mentions the coming of convergence to ubuntu touch, any ideas if the Nexus 4 will be able to support it?
[05:29] <nhaines> Depends what you mean by "convergence."
[05:30] <JMD> um, ok, can you explain?
[05:30] <nhaines> Every phone ever will be able to run any Ubuntu app compiled for ARM.  Only some will be able to output to an external display.  The Nexus 7 can. I *think* the Nexus 4 can, too.
[05:31] <nhaines> I know the bq and Meizu phones can't.
[05:31] <JMD> ok, the nexus 4 can output to an external screen
[05:32] <JMD> I bought a cable and it does, although it didn't display quite as I expected, but I did get it from a cheap PC place here in Hong Kong....
[05:38] <JMD> I guess for me convergence means being able to plug the phone into a dock that has a screen, keyboard, mouse and carrying on working. The demos I have seen have shown something like this
[06:50] <CoZo> hello everybody
[06:50] <CoZo> I wonder if someone here have a touch screen problem on nexus 4
[06:50] <CoZo> some part of mine are not "touchable"
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:37] <JMD> @CoZo: Don't have that issue on mine, anywhere in particular?
[07:39] <CoZo> JMD: yes a bad in the up of the screen
[07:39] <CoZo> band
[07:39] <CoZo> not all the screen
[08:01] <tvoss> mardy, would appreciate a ta here: https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/location-service/add-documentation-and-tooling/+merge/275006
[08:03] <mardy> tvoss: done!
[08:03] <tvoss> mardy, thx
[08:08] <Maemo> Good morning. tonight i received a 9 mb update for my meizu ubuntu edition, i wanna see the updates change log, do you have a link for that?
[08:14] <tvoss> mardy, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/550 for the rtc fix landing vivid+o
[08:14] <tvoss> mardy, silo is building
[08:15] <mardy> tvoss: cool!
[08:15] <mardy> tvoss: and finally I got a GPS fix :-) Now enabling wireless, let's see if I can reproduce the bug
[08:16] <tvoss> mardy, ah great
[08:32] <mcphail> :( - dbus problems are back this morning
[08:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Wily Werewolf welease day! 😃
[08:35] <mcphail> O'Weally?
[08:38] <mcphail> When do we get the next release codename? There are only one or 2 Ubuntu-appropriate adjectives starting with "X"
[08:38] <diwic> mcphail, it's Xenial Xerus
[08:38]  * mcphail knows xenial but will have to google for xerus
[08:39] <JMD> type of squirel
[08:39] <JMD> squirrel
[08:39] <mcphail> aah
[08:39] <JMD> very sociable apparantly
[08:40] <diwic> the end of mark's post says "...courage" two times, makes me wonder if "...courage" means something else than "courage" and if so, what it actually means
[08:40] <JMD> and xenial” means “friendly relations between hosts and guests
[08:40] <mcphail> Is this on MS's blog?
[08:40] <diwic> yep
[08:40] <JMD> referencing Xen KVM etc
[08:41] <mardy> Saviq: hi! fixes for bug 1508363 can be dual landed, right?
[08:41] <Saviq> mardy, yup
[08:41] <mardy> Saviq: thanks
[08:41] <mardy> dbarth: ^
[08:43] <mardy> tvoss: looks like I cannot reproduce the bug, maybe I need more wifis around. Guess I'll go out for a walk :-)
[08:43] <tvoss> mardy, yup, city-center setups are more likely to trigger the issue
[08:44] <dbarth> ok
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> anyone has a music scope freeze when sliding on new ota7 bq 4.5?
[11:53]  * ogra_ sighs about softpedia 
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: :p
[11:54] <Stskeeps> ogra_: what did they announce now?
[11:54] <ogra_> if people could refrain from prematurely sending release notices out that would really really help the release tem doing their work
[11:54] <davmor2> ogra_: and omgubuntu too
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> Stskeeps: <JMD> so back to OTA7, I was mislead then by online tech sites who all said it was available for the Nexus 4
[11:54] <ogra_>  ... every time the same
[11:54] <ogra_> sigh
[11:55] <ogra_> it totally unnecessary delays it for everyone
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: many other urls's describing same info spreading around
[11:55] <ogra_> not reason to chime in
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> im wondering who started it
[11:56] <ogra_> someone ,... as every release
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> the ubuntu twitter page also forwards the info
[11:57] <ogra_> the point is, the more people download it prematurely the slower any kind of mirror population goes ....
[11:58] <ogra_> the only valid info is the ubuntu-announce ML ... the next valid one is #ubuntu-release ... there is no other official source
[11:58] <ogra_> it isnt released before infinity says so ... thats it
[11:59] <Guest42341> :))
[12:00]  * svij always publishes the release article *after* the release e-mail are out
[12:00] <ogra_> yeah, thats good habit :)
[12:00]  * Guest42341 for some people, ubuntu 15.10 was released 6 months ago :P
[12:01] <popey> lotuspsychje: OTA-7 _is_ available for Nexus 4
[12:01] <popey> if you're on the right channel.
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> popey: tnx lemme try it mate, im devel-proposed
[12:02] <popey> [M#xSNexus 4 : ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu - mako: #24
[12:02] <popey> it says on the ota-7 page
[12:02] <lotuspsychje> holdon lemme try on n7
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> popey: update version 269 downloading on n7
[12:08] <popey> lotuspsychje: well, the wiki never lies ;)
[12:08] <mcphail> ogra_: it isn't reasonable to expect other sites to delay release news when sabdfl has as good as said the release has happened
[12:08] <popey> lotuspsychje: some channels have it, others dont, but it is possible to get ota 7 on nexus 4
[12:08] <popey> +1
[12:08] <ogra_> mcphail, indeed
[12:08] <popey> this happens every release, we should netflix and chill
[12:08] <popey> or something
[12:09] <jgdx> eeh
[12:10] <ogra_> popey, am i allowed to netflix with annoyed face ?
[12:10] <ogra_> :)
[12:10] <popey> sure
[12:10] <ogra_> ood then
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> popey: version 269 15.04 up n running on nexus7 devel-proposed
[12:39] <jgdx> abeato, hey, has there been a change to ofono related to the “Present” property on the simmanager interface?
[12:40] <abeato> jgdx, hmm, there was a related change upstream that we merged
[12:40] <abeato> jgdx, what difference do you see?
[12:41] <jgdx> abeato, when in flight mode, present is 1 (simmanager) and online is 0 (modem).
[12:42] <jgdx> so not completely sure yet
[12:43] <abeato> jgdx, that should be the same as before, at least for mako
[12:43] <abeato> jgdx, for mtk modems simmanager is not exposed in fm iirc
[12:44] <jgdx> abeato, oh okay
[12:44] <abeato> (if there is a sim of course)
[12:46] <chrisccoulson> Should QCamera::availableDevices() return anything on the phone?
[12:56] <ahayzen> dbarth_, Hey, I was told you may be the best person to speak to about this, I had a WebView that played some audio (possibly two at the same time) when this occurred it caused the whole phone to freeze and then reboot. It doesn't happen often (its happened twice so far) but i was wondering if it has been reported before, or if there are any logs i would be able to look at the next time it happens?
[12:57] <ogra_> ahayzen, definitely take a look at /var/crash
[12:57] <ogra_> (and check the timestamps)
[12:58] <ahayzen> ogra_, but the phone froze for like 5-10s then rebooted, would there even be enough time for apport to kick in?
[12:58]  * ahayzen checks anyway
[12:59] <dbarth_> ahayzen: hi
[12:59] <ahayzen> ogra_, only the push-client, dash, location services and scopes have crash files
[12:59] <dbarth_> ahayzen: where you using the background playback feature?
[13:00] <ogra_> ahayzen, any of them with a timestamp that matches the crash time ?
[13:00] <ahayzen> dbarth_, yes its with the new bg-playlists media-hub, but the application itself was focused and it was a short sound
[13:00] <ahayzen> ogra_, i don't think so
[13:00] <ogra_> :(
[13:01] <ahayzen> ogra_, i've had hardoffs via the camera before that don't create a .crash, i was told that was something in the android side bfore
[13:01] <ogra_> indeed, that could be
[13:01] <ogra_> you can use /system/bin/logcat to inspect that side
[13:02] <ogra_> (though that wont help if you already rebooted indeed)
[13:02] <ahayzen> yeah :-/ ... or if the phone reboots itself ? ;-)
[13:02] <ogra_> right
[13:02] <dbarth_> ahayzen: shouldn't have crashed anyway; you can file a bug report, and i can direct it to one of the developers to see what's wrong
[13:03] <ahayzen> dbarth_, ok, which project should it be against, oxide ?
[13:03] <dbarth_> i possible, list down the ways to reproduce, and the use of the particular new playlist support with media hub
[13:03] <dbarth_> ahayzen: i would file against media-hub for now
[13:03] <dbarth_> and then we can see if that's a bad interaction from xoide / the webview, or not
[13:03] <ahayzen> ok cool
[13:04] <jhodapp> dbarth_, why against media-hub? It's not using media-hub for playback to my understanding
[13:04] <dbarth_> ahayzen: jus ping me the bug number, as i may not get it automatically via a notification
[13:04] <dbarth_> jhodapp: bg playlist support?
[13:05] <jhodapp> dbarth_, but I thought this was playback from a webapp which wouldn't even touch bg playlists
[13:05] <dbarth_> ahayzen: you mean the webview is embedded in a qml app wich itself calls media-hub directly with the new playlist feature ?
[13:05] <ahayzen> dbarth_, i mean it is a qml app with a WebView ... and the website itself plays audio
[13:05] <ahayzen> so its coming from oxide
[13:06] <ahayzen> i'm not linking in anyway with media-hub
[13:06] <dbarth_> ah, so that's plain oxide, and it have the env. variable to play in the background then
[13:06] <dbarth_> ok, clearer; then oxide and i'll send to justinmcp
[13:06] <ahayzen> and the window was focussed all of the time anyway, so it wasn't making use of the background stuff
[13:08] <dbarth_> ahayzen: then please specify the image rev., installed oxide package (liboxideqtcore0) and web url being played
[13:08] <ahayzen> hah :-)
[13:08] <ahayzen> cool will do :-)
[13:17] <ahayzen> dbarth_, i've reported bug 1508927 will update if and when I find out more info/reproducible steps
[13:18] <dbarth_> ahayzen: thanks, triaging
[13:18] <ahayzen> thanks
[14:11] <mariogrip> 15.10 YAAY \o/
[14:15] <ogra_> not really
[14:16] <ogra_> (that was a mis-routed mail to ubuntu-release)
[14:42] <mardy> tvoss: about the runtime toggling of the logging; do you prefer a simple boolean switch, or something more complex (but, if we closely mimick glog, we'd have two variables, which might be uncomfortable to use)
[14:42] <mardy> tvoss: IOW, are you fine with a simple boolean which sets both FLAGS_v=100 and FLAGS_logtostderr=1?
[14:44] <tvoss> mardy, I think a Property "VerbosityLevel" should be good enough, that also allows for some control from the outside
[14:44] <mardy> tvoss: +1
[14:45] <mardy> tvoss: BTW, I think you misunderstood me before: I *did* reproduce the WIFI bug, and attached logs to the bug; however, I haven't looked at them yet
[14:46] <mardy> so, we have the bug :-(
[14:51] <k1l_> i would like the browser to have the wipe-down=refresh thingy like chrome does on android
[14:57] <tathhu> <3
[15:14] <dpm> sil2100, I'd like to install silo 22 on a mako to prepare a convergence demo for the UbuCon in Berlin. I've been told I should use the ci-tool, but I should watch out to use the _new_ ci-tool. Do you have any pointers to documentation?
[15:15] <sil2100> dpm: hm, you would have to ask robru|sick, he's the author - I generally don't use those tools
[15:17] <dpm> the nick appears to hint as to he's not up to much pinging today :)
[15:17] <dpm> anyone else who would know?
[15:34] <popey> dpm: maybe kgunn who tests these things frequently?
[15:35] <kgunn> dpm: it's under QA test, so might even land soon...
[15:35] <kgunn> but in advance of that
[15:36] <dpm> kgunn, yeah, trying to get a convergence demo working for the UbuCon on Saturday
[15:36] <dpm> so will go for using the citrain tool
[15:36] <dpm> seems mhall119 used 'citrain device-upgrade 022 0000'
[15:37] <dpm> from ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team
[15:37] <dpm> just finishing reflashing my mako and will try that in a minute
[15:38] <dpm> kgunn, any other tips? From what I'm told looks like dmz-cursor-theme needs to be manually installed to avoid removing unity8
[15:38] <kgunn> dpm: sorry, took me a minute to dig
[15:38] <kgunn> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~robru/phablet-tools/make-useful-again/view/head:/citrain
[15:39] <popey> heh, nice merge name
[15:42] <dpm> ok, wish me luck :)
[15:43] <bee_keeper> Hi, so i go to a scope and swipe up.  There's a crap load of apps (under also installed) there which don't appear in my apps panel.  Q1. What gives?  Q2. How to delete them?
[15:44] <dpm> bee_keeper, what's "a scope"? I.e. which particular scope are you referring to?
[15:44] <mcphail> bee_keeper: first thing is to be aware that some of the scopes listed serve data to other scopes, and that data will go missing if you remove them
[15:44] <bee_keeper> dpm: well any scope.  For example music, videos, news etc
[15:45] <ogra_> dpm, bee_keeper means the scope manager
[15:45] <ogra_> (bottom swipe)
[15:45] <dpm> oh, I see
[15:45] <bee_keeper> thanks ogra_, no sure of the terminology
[15:45] <mcphail> bee_keeper: If you click the star, they will be added to the main scopes list
[15:46] <dpm> bee_keeper, what you see there are not apps, they are other scopes that can be added as a source of additional content
[15:46] <bee_keeper> dpm: ok makes sense. so i guess i want to say, how can i delete those scopes?
[15:47] <ogra_> as mcphail said, many of tehm are aggreated into other scopes so removing them would break stuff
[15:47] <ogra_> (there is surely a way via cmdline to remove them though, but it might break stuff)
[15:48] <mcphail> bee_keeper: you can unistall from the app store, although I'm never sure whether uninstalling does anthing for the preinstalled scopes/apps
[15:48] <dpm> yeah, I was going to mention something along the lines as well
[15:49] <bee_keeper> so try to do it via the store?  I have the terminal app, am thinking i can maybe just delete them at source?  Is that safe?
[15:49] <dpm> you can search for a particular scope you've got installed and uninstall it from the app store (scroll down the apps scope -the one with the apps grid-)
[15:49] <dpm> the store would be easier and probably safer
[15:50] <ogra_> yeah
[15:50] <dpm> IIRC you can also uninstall the preinstalled ones via the terminal, but you'll have to watch out for not breaking stuff that depends on them
[15:52] <bee_keeper> ok seems to be working, thanks
[15:52] <dpm> cool
[15:55] <bee_keeper> it would be good if you could go to all installed in the ubuntu store and then just delete them all
[15:56]  * ogra_ never felt the need to uninstall them ... and it is the first time i see this asked here i think
[15:57] <ogra_> it isnt like they do anything if you dont activate them
[15:57] <ogra_> (and they will come back with the next update i think)
[15:57] <bee_keeper> ogra_: phone runs a bit slowly and sometimes freezes when displaying the install list.  I don't want app crap that i never use
[15:58] <ogra_> well, its a preinstalled set and it will come back on upgrade (i think)
[15:58] <ogra_> if you see freezes it is surely not related to no-enabled scopes
[15:59] <ogra_> since they are not enabled :)
[15:59] <bee_keeper> They're not enabled but they are installed.  They must be using some system resources however negible
[16:00] <ogra_> they use diskspace in a certain preinstalled area
[16:00] <ogra_> thats all
[16:00] <ogra_> and since they come from the custom tarball they will likely  just re-appear
[16:03] <bee_keeper> i can't beleive they don't annoy you.  it's why i switched to ubuntu-touch to get rid of all this crap
[16:03] <ogra_> why would they annoy me
[16:03] <ogra_> i simply dont enable them and am fine ...
[16:04] <ogra_> it not like there arent tons of other bits that just idle on disk in any linux system if you dont use them
[16:04] <bee_keeper> ogra_: true but you always sudo rm -rf
[16:04] <ogra_> *it's
[16:04] <bee_keeper> what hardware are you running touch on?
[16:05] <ogra_> i have an mx4 and a bq 4.5 here
[16:06] <bee_keeper> ok i am on a bg4.5 as well.  Does it ever freeze?
[16:10] <ogra_> i dont use it that mush anymore since i have the mx4 ... but if i use it, it deosnt freeze, no
[16:10] <rubencaro> Hi folks. Anyone can help me get a dual boot UbuntuTouch/FirefoxOS on my vegetahd?
[16:15] <doko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mir/+bug/1509005
[16:16]  * ogra_ points doko to #ubuntu-mir
[16:17] <seb128> doko, #ubuntu-mir
[16:17] <doko> they have the bug report ...
[16:17] <seb128> why do you mention it there then? ;-)
[16:33] <rubencaro> Hi folks. Anyone can help me get a dual boot UbuntuTouch/FirefoxOS on my vegetahd? Any clue?
[16:36] <davmor2> rubencaro: not sure it is possible
[16:37] <rubencaro> davmor2: me neither, hehe, but I thought it's worth a try, does it?
[18:02] <NwS> Heya guys, I read today that the first Ubuntu smartphone with Convergence (what an easy name.. -.-") is close by?
[18:02] <popey> Soon...
[18:03] <NwS> popey, soon should I wait for it or soon should I get a used MX4? :P
[18:03] <popey> mx4 won't be capable of convergence
[18:03] <NwS> But it is a good looking phone damn it :P okie I'll wait then xD tyvm
[18:03] <kgunn> mx4 doesn't have a specific hw module on the chipset needed for external monitor
[18:04] <NwS> Ah okie ty for the info kgunn
[18:06] <popey> kgunn: was that app dump what you needed?
[18:09]  * kgunn sheepishly hasn't check mail
[18:10] <popey> FINE!
[18:11]  * popey flounces off
[18:11] <kgunn> popey: lol... i keep recalling cock...cock....cock-a-doodle-doo
[18:11] <popey> :D
[18:11] <kgunn> popey: so that's awesome...so anything with an X is doesn't have
[18:11] <kgunn> and checkmark is applies ?
[18:11] <popey> ya
[18:12] <popey> well, if it says something in that field, it linked to it
[18:12] <popey> but I only scanned so libs
[18:12] <popey> maybe you also need all other binaries scanned?
[18:12] <kgunn> popey: btw, on a completely seperate topic, what is the best mailing list for app-dev public service announcements ?
[18:12] <popey> phone specific?
[18:13] <kgunn> popey: for the moment yeah...unity8 related
[18:13] <popey> ok
[18:13] <popey> probably ubuntu-phone tbh
[18:13] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-app-devel/ exists but is mostly dead
[18:13] <kgunn> k
[18:13] <kgunn> related to this bug
[18:13] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1502145
[18:14] <kgunn> it's been fixed for the browser, but any old app can use the aa cap of "keep-display-on"
[18:14] <kgunn> was rolled out a little early w/o arch considerations, and so apps can hold screen on in background
[18:14] <kgunn> so bascially just need to consider pulling their lock on the screen-on when they lose focus
[18:15] <popey> ahh
[18:15] <popey> makes sense
[18:16] <kgunn> sweet!!! all the apps in the list are linked against libmirclient9
[18:16] <kgunn> so up to date
[18:16] <kgunn> and guarded from abi breaks going fwd
[18:28] <kgunn> popey: hmm, so the original bug for mirclient use came from this app "glmark2.sturmflut" but i notice it shows not linked against mir...
[18:28] <kgunn> so is that what you meant by scanning all the bins ?
[18:28] <kgunn> maybe some are hidden
[18:28] <popey> yeah
[18:29] <popey> I'll re-run it, scanning _anything_ looking remotely binary :)
[18:33] <davmor2> popey: if we sit down we look a bit like a 0 and standing up a bit like a 1 does that count as looking remotely binary?
[18:55] <kgunn> brendand: we looking hopeful with silo 22 ?
[21:15] <ahoneybun> let's stop using the Galaxy Nexus in ads please
[21:55] <mariogrip> so, there will be an ubucon next year :D
[23:11] <Dragonkeeper> hey guys
[23:12] <Dragonkeeper> does mhl work with krillin device ?
[23:36] <cuttlas> Hello! Weather core-app has been updated but seems don't works fine yet :(
[23:36] <cuttlas> 1)some time lost connection(Network Error) 2)location detection has been failed