[00:56] <ahoneybun> vote in Nov?
[05:48] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: what feedback section?
[06:14] <soee> good morning
[06:28] <cortex_> morning
[06:28] <cortex_> xenial is the name of the new version right?
[06:30] <cortex_> oh xenial xerus
[06:30] <cortex_> i like this name
[07:16] <soee> cortex_: hi, yes. Though i have no idea what it means :D
[07:16] <soee> Google translator can't hadle this name -.-
[07:17] <cortex_> soee: a squirrel
[07:17] <cortex_> :P
[07:18] <soee> on the pic it looks like hedgehog
[07:50] <thelionroars> well done all, 15.10 is freakin' beautiful
[08:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:16] <cortex_> morning
[08:50] <vip> hi ho
[09:01] <sick_rimmit> Riddell: Well if ever there was an email to weep over, that was it
[09:01] <sick_rimmit> Oh Boy!!
[09:05] <Riddell> thanks sick_rimmit :)
[09:11] <lordievader> I hope that the roads of Kubuntu and Riddel somewhere in the future merge once more.
[09:12] <snele> Riddell: thank you for everything you have done 
[09:13] <snele> I hope this is not the end for Kubuntu...
[10:14] <santa_> Mirv: good morning, do you have a stating ppa with Qt 5.5 so it could be used to do a test rebuild of KDE packages against it?
[10:15] <santa_> * staging
[10:15] <yossarianuk> congrats on 15.10 everybody !
[10:15] <yossarianuk> will these fixes for 5.4.3 be in the normal repos for 15.10 (without PPA?) -> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/10/looking-at-some-crashers-fixed-this-week/
[10:15] <yossarianuk> im never sure what the policy is with kubuntu + point releases of KDE.
[10:16] <santa_> yossarianuk: if I'm not mistaken, newer point releases go to updates and major releases go to backports
[10:17] <santa_> not sure how it works for Qt
[10:19] <yossarianuk> cheers santa_: 
[10:19] <yossarianuk> bit early for you to be out.....
[10:19] <yossarianuk> ps -> i've been a very good boy!
[10:21] <santa_> haha
[10:22] <santa_> the nickname actually is my family name "Santamaría" shortened
[10:22] <yossarianuk> its ok you're secret is safe .....
[10:25] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you around/
[10:25] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[10:25] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin
[10:25] <ovidiu-florin> can I have a call with you or do you reffer writing?
[10:26] <Riddell> either way, landline number at jriddell.org/contact
[10:28] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: tried calling both
[10:28] <ovidiu-florin> nothing
[10:28] <ovidiu-florin> both go to voicemail
[10:29] <Riddell> curious
[10:29] <Riddell> or google hangout, or just chat here
[10:29]  * clivejo smiles at Riddell's use of OSM 
[10:29] <ovidiu-florin> I'll type here
[10:30] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: please let me know if my wording comes accross to hard. 
[10:30] <Riddell> clivejo: cooler use at http://whitewater.quaker.eu.org/ :)
[10:30] <ovidiu-florin> I'm sorry to see you leave the release manager position
[10:30] <ovidiu-florin> but I dissagree that we should post your letter in the Kubuntu news 
[10:30] <ovidiu-florin> We can post a link to the mail list archive
[10:31] <ovidiu-florin> IMO the news should be from the project, not from a aspecific person
[10:31] <Riddell> reasonable enough to disagree, it's not what we've done before
[10:32] <ovidiu-florin> the wording in that news article should be in the plural second person, as to we, the Kubuntu project are sorry to see you go
[10:32] <Riddell> but I wanted to address the users of the project directly
[10:32] <Riddell> and that's the best way
[10:32] <Riddell> it seems unfair to leave without saying so clearly or saying why
[10:32] <ovidiu-florin> I think that should be done on your blog, not the projects
[10:32] <ovidiu-florin> I didn't say you should say that
[10:33] <ovidiu-florin> I'm only saying that the news article should come from the Kubuntu team, and formulated as such
[10:33] <ovidiu-florin> and link to your blog post and the mail archive
[10:33] <santa_> valorie: https://community.kde.org/User:Santa one of the 2 wiki pages I'm writing to apply for membership (I plan to write other one in the ubuntu wiki more focused to the application itself and my help in kubuntu)
[10:33] <santa_> good enough? suggestions?
[10:33] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: do you dissagree?
[10:34] <clivejo> santa_: I wouldnt put "not a good place to work and not planning back"
[10:34] <clivejo> put a positive spin on it!
[10:34] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes, but only because these are extraordinary situations, the project and community has been attacked from ubuntu and canonical and it seems reasonable to say so.  but do ask kubuntu council members if they would rather it was changed, I won't mind if they do
[10:36] <Riddell> but it seems disingenious (to use one of sabdfl's favourite words for me) to leave without saying that there are problems and what they are
[10:36] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I think the message should be there, but it should be comming from the Kubuntu team, not specifically you.
[10:36] <ovidiu-florin> since this is the Kubuntu site, it belongs to the project, not to any particular person
[10:37] <yossarianuk> riddell: can I ask what you plan to do next ? i.e are you still going to help out with kubuntu, move to debian ? (just interested really)
[10:38] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: well it wasn’t a voluntary step down was it? 
[10:39] <santa_> clivejo: I had my doubts about that statement, but the truth is, I was expelled from both projects for political reasons and I have anything except nice things to say about them. so I guess one possible approach would be skiping the statement in question
[10:39] <santa_> thanks for the suggestion
[10:40] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: I don't see the connection between what I said and your point
[10:41] <clivejo> santa_: just suggests a case of sour grapes and that maybe you arent a team player
[10:41] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: if the project's parent forces the project to lose out that is project news.  but as I say ask other council members and do as you wish
[10:41] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: again, I don't want the message removed
[10:42] <ovidiu-florin> it belongs there 
[10:42] <ovidiu-florin> with all the details in there
[10:42] <ovidiu-florin> but the article should be formulated as if the Kubuntu team sais it
[10:43] <ovidiu-florin> and gives quites from your email
[10:43] <ovidiu-florin> that's all
[10:43] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: sure, redraft it and get someone on the council to aprove it then
[10:44] <santa_> clivejo: fair enough, deleted, even while I think the projects in question don't actually deserve it
[10:45] <Mirv> santa_: good afternoon. yes, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting for wily (xenial later) PPA with Qt 5.5.1. If interested, the PPA should also already work as is for KDE as it has the required rebuilds of frameworkintegration, plasma-framework and kwin (although I haven't tested myself)
[10:45] <clivejo> santa_: maybe you could explain your reasons for leaving the project, let the reader make up their mind
[10:49] <santa_> Mirv: excellent, thanks for the information
[10:50] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: have the KCC not got a statement prepared, I thought this was on the cards for at least a month now?
[10:51] <santa_> clivejo: haha, well, lets skip it, because if I do that I don't see a way of explaining that without being "gracefully rude" (torvalds-like)
[10:51] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: I wasn't aware of it
[10:51] <ovidiu-florin> a mistake on my part
[10:51] <Mirv> yossarianuk: I've done most of the Ubuntu Qt uploads, but for wily SRU:s anyone can take the ball. I'd start with filing LP bug (or bugs) against the component (usually qtbase-opensource-src or qtdeclarative-opensource-src), linking to the codereview url:s with 5.4 branch commits and filling the required information of the section 3.3 at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates so it's ready for bo
[10:51] <Mirv> th xenial landing and wily SRU
[10:51] <santa_> also it's material for a short article rather than just a line in a wiki
[10:52] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: you werent aware that Riddell was "stepping down"
[10:54] <clivejo> I thought KCC had a statement prepared to announce it and the fact yofel was "stepping up"
[10:54] <ovidiu-florin> stepping down from that specific role, now
[10:54] <clivejo> as Release Manager
[10:56] <ovidiu-florin> I knew he intends to be less and less involved in Kubuntu
[11:01] <yossarianuk> Mirv: cheers
[11:02] <clivejo> I dont think that was his intention, rather what he was forced into doing! 
[11:04] <clivejo> anyways, Id like to thank Riddell for his contribution over the years and for his part in making Kubuntu the best OS out there !
[11:08] <TJ-> Same here; is there any idea of how the remaining team can fill the gap?
[11:08] <clivejo> and also Riddell's patience and willingness to help others, a trait I have noticed in yofel which helps me believe Kubuntu is in good hands going forward
[11:11] <yofel> TJ-: somewhat, he was already not contributing much back in oneiric when he worked for a different canonical team. But considering that he might not be the only one that leaves (or at least sitter will too) we'll have to see who plans to work on what in the next weeks. Then we can figure things out from there
[11:13] <TJ-> yofel: yes, that's my thoughts. I'll tell you what frustrates me most - lack of process documentation. For example, despite observing in this channel, and having both the programming and Debian/Ubuntu packaging/process skills, I still have not grasped the process - it seems to be piece-meal, with different packages using different repos (source, packaging), publishing paths, CI, etc. 
[11:14] <yofel> well, I fear that you then actually have a good grasp of the.. erm.. "process"
[11:14] <TJ-> That being the case, taking some time now the release is done to actually document that for the 'standard' and 'exceptional' cases would go a long way to making me, for one, more willing to invest time in contributing. Right now, I feel I'd waste most of the time I have available in trying to grasp the process and figure out the exceptions
[11:14] <santa_> yofel: we could do a test rebuild of frameworks/plasma/apps against Qt 5.5 with an improved kubuntu automation following the design we discussed the other day
[11:14] <yofel> it's something we need to work on, and I'm glad that santa_ is helping with that
[11:15] <yofel> santa_: that would be interesting, yes. How did you guys do the test rebuilds back for gcc5? In some random PPA?
[11:16] <TJ-> My other issue is of course, the background vis-a-vis Canonical. I experienced what J.R. has to a lesser extent with the kernel team, back in 2008/9 which has always made me wary
[11:19] <santa_> yofel: I did it in a suite of siduction's kdenext, which works with the tech I told you yesterday
[11:19] <santa_> what we can do is using both the staging kubuntu ppa's
[11:20] <yofel> we could also add a new one for exactly such purposes and ask for enough space
[11:20] <santa_> ... and the suites I have in kdenext
[11:20] <clivejo> how many people currently sit on the KCC?
[11:20] <yofel> 6
[11:21] <clivejo> is that back to fully strength?
[11:21] <yofel> yes, it's always 6 with 3 elected each year for 2 years
[11:21] <santa_> yofel: sure, it would be interesting to upload in both places so we make sure the improved automation stuff is generic enough to cover both use cases
[11:21] <santa_> * both places: kdenext + ubuntu's ppas
[11:22] <yofel> santa_: right, that would indeed be a good test run
[11:22] <yofel> is qt5.5 already in a PPA?
[11:23] <santa_> yep, see above, I asked where it was
[11:23] <santa_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/QtTesting
[11:23] <yofel> aah right, thanks
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Konversation fails to connect using SASL, had to revert to Standaed Nickserv to keep the client from disconnecting
[12:03] <BluesKaj> checking vpn now so I'll be disconnecting for a few mins
[12:18] <santa_> yofel: so, do you work this wekend? I think I have time work on the automation thing, I would need you to include the incoming patches in kubuntu-automation + test the thing for ubuntu's ppas + of course if you want, improve my patches/design
[12:19] <yofel> sure, I should have some time over the weekend. Mostly on sunday probably
[12:20] <santa_> excellent
[12:28] <yofel> do you have those scripts somewhere public now?
[12:29] <yofel> we might also want to move the automation stuff into git while we're at it
[12:42] <santa_> yofel: I have a working do-all here: https://gitlab.com/groups/siduction-tools also I have sent a patch to improve the build depends bumping
[12:43] <yofel> thanks
[12:43] <santa_> yofel: regarding the move to git we could follow this course of action: create a git repo, put in a branch what you have in bzr put in other branch what I have for siduction and at some point we will be able to merge
[12:44] <yofel> yeah, that was the idea.. that's a lot easier with git - as you can trivially merge remote branches as well
[12:44] <santa_> yofel: and if you move to git, you could go for a) alioth -> no permissions for me there or b) somewhere else such as github or gitlab
[12:45] <santa_> depending if you want me to push commits directly or not
[12:45] <yofel> my plan was to use launchpad. The UI Part isn't quite finished, but otherwise the git support works fine
[12:45] <santa_> fantastic
[12:46] <santa_> yofel: so you you take care of creating the repo with 2 branches? (but please don't merge them yet as we need to work out that later)
[12:47] <yofel> I'll first take care of creating the repo and integrating the bzr history. Once that's done we can talk about what to put into the other branch
[12:48] <santa_> allright
[12:48] <yofel> Riddell: what's your plan regarding qa.kubuntu.co.uk? Can we just keep it as it is for now or should we look for alternatives? (IIRC you're paying for that right now?)
[13:30] <Riddell> yofel: just keep it as it is, no need to change
[13:30] <yofel> yay, thanks!
[13:46] <cortex_> lol Riddell i seen you on the news
[13:46] <cortex_> on slashdot
[13:47] <cortex_> or hacker news
[13:47] <Riddell> I made slashdot?
[13:47] <cortex_> no sry hacker news
[13:47] <cortex_> hehe
[13:47] <Riddell> oh, not today
[13:48] <cortex_> 	Jonathan Riddell Stands Down as Release Manager of Kubuntu (kubuntu.org)
[13:48] <cortex_> yes
[13:48] <cortex_> Riddell: today
[13:48] <cortex_> 1 hour ago Riddell 
[13:49] <yossarianuk> do people still slashddot?
[13:51] <yofel> it *is* still the best source of random flamewars on the net
[13:51] <yofel> although phoronix comes close
[13:52] <mamarley> Yeah, there are all sorts of KDE haters on Phoronix.
[13:52] <marco-parillo> I am more likely to learn something from slashdot comments than phoronix comments
[13:53] <yossarianuk> I don't understand the hate for Phoronix... It is a good source of news for desktop Linux. The comments section I do understand (but that goes for most sites that allow comments)
[13:54] <yossarianuk> the very worst (non tech) is the independent online newspaper - its a 'liberal' paper but the commentators would fit into Germany in the 1930's. 
[13:55] <mamarley> At least for a while, Phoronix took a bunch of things mgraesslin said out-of-context or something of that sort.
[13:55] <yofel> well, he suffers from the same kind of "put out news fast without doing much of investigation" illness as /. (When it comes to the technical parts I agree)
[13:56] <shadeslayer_> https://twitter.com/rohangarg/status/657556109151109124
[13:57] <mgraesslin> yossarianuk: the problem is that phoronix does click-bait to attrackt the people in the forums. Putting out stuff controversial where there is nothing controversial just to get the people go nuts in the forum
[13:57] <mamarley> Nontroversies!
[13:58] <yofel> shadeslayer_: oh? Martins kubuntu experience scared you, eh? :D
[13:58] <mgraesslin> yossarianuk: a good example for this was the blog post about the critics on Plasma 5. It was on Phoronix before I for example noticed it on planetkde. From someone who he never had reported about. Clearly only for the forums posted, the more it attrackts discussion, the better
[13:59] <yossarianuk> mgraesslin: you wrote an article rebutting that I believe ?
[13:59] <mgraesslin> yossarianuk: yes I did, but the damage is done
[14:00] <mgraesslin> yossarianuk: and phoronix is to blame for stuff like "even KDE devs say it's not good", because he didn't check whether it's a dev who wrote it and just put it there
[14:00] <yossarianuk> I do get the clickbait/ads issue - however it is also a good source of desktop linux news, other than reddit there are not many alternatives.
[14:00] <mgraesslin> no need to correct a head line like that. Oh no, that's not what Phoronix would ever do
[14:01] <yossarianuk> mgraesslin: well thats just shoddy journalism.. 
[14:01] <mgraesslin> well it creates problems for us
[14:01] <mgraesslin> which is the reason why we don't like it
[14:02] <mgraesslin> not to mention the "benchmarks"
[14:02] <yossarianuk> I saw the article criticising plasma's theme compared to gnome - however most complaints seemed to resolve around the theme used in Fedora. 
[14:02] <yossarianuk> i.e not breeze at all.
[14:02] <shadeslayer_> Benchmarks are cool k
[14:03] <shadeslayer_> They tell you exactly nothing and are a great way to pass your time
[14:03] <yossarianuk> the phoronix-test-suite does have 'some' uses...
[14:03] <shadeslayer_> Its like watching a movie
[14:03] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer_: let's benchmark your screen against my screen
[14:03] <shadeslayer_> Only worse
[14:03] <cortex_> os x ?
[14:03] <yofel> we could benchmark crash counts... ^^
[14:03] <cortex_> :P
[14:03] <shadeslayer_> Let's benchmark benches
[14:03] <cortex_> only kubuntu for me
[14:03] <cortex_> if it works
[14:03] <yofel> oh lol, people on phoronix giving distro name proposals "I hope he starts his own distro and calls it Kufucyu."
[14:04] <shadeslayer_> Can you benchmark benchmarks?
[14:04] <cortex_> my pc is weird
[14:04] <yofel> you could benchmarks different VMs that run benchmarks..
[14:04] <mgraesslin> oh a meta-benchmark
[14:05] <yossarianuk> can you name a better benchmark app though (aside from the odd game that has the feature built in)
[14:05] <yofel> ximion: :D http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/830530-kubuntu-s-release-manager-calls-it-quits?p=830554#post830554 
[14:05] <yossarianuk> i mean better for benchmarking games/3d really.
[14:06] <ximion> yofel: oh, the Phoronix doomsday people are there :P
[14:06]  * ximion is happy about every new Tanglu user
[14:06] <yossarianuk> Kufucyu is actually semi-funny.
[14:07] <cortex_> very weird mint works
[14:07] <cortex_> and kubuntu not
[14:07] <cortex_> based on ubuntu..
[14:07] <yossarianuk> isn't mint older ?
[14:07] <cortex_> oh maybe
[14:07] <cortex_> yes
[14:07] <yofel> it's certainly not based on the dev release, so it is older, just not sure how much
[14:07] <yossarianuk> think mint is based on 14.04 LTS.
[14:08] <cortex_> i'm talkin about the live media
[14:08] <yofel> well, the same applies for that
[14:08] <mgraesslin> yossarianuk: don't benchmark games, it's useless. That gives as good results as doing tests for VW engines
[14:08] <yossarianuk> ha 
[14:09] <mgraesslin> yossarianuk: the problem is that games detect they are run in benchmark mode
[14:10] <ximion> mgraesslin: how should one do benchmarks then? They are clearly useful sometimes...
[14:10]  * yofel remembers glxgears...
[14:10] <yossarianuk> they can prove themes though - i.e that enabling 'suspend desktop effects' and disabling vblank (nvidia) has a notable difference, etc
[14:11] <yossarianuk> however that is apparent by playing the game ... 
[14:11] <mamarley> Disabling vsync also causes horrible tearing artifacts though. :(
[14:11] <yofel> depending on the game that's better than dropped frames..
[14:12] <mgraesslin> ximion: start with thinking about the problem you want to benchmark, then sit down and write the code
[14:13] <yossarianuk> mamarley: well with most fps steam games on my setup (i5 cpu/nvidia 450gts) most games are actually unplayable unless I disable disable 'sync to vblank'  with Nvidia-settings
[14:13] <yossarianuk> i mean not just more sluggish, you cannot aim, etc 
[14:13] <mgraesslin> the problem is that this setting results in multiple syncs
[14:14] <mgraesslin> kwin syncs, nvidia sync
[14:14] <mgraesslin> boom half the framerate
[14:14] <yossarianuk> like the controls are really laggy - disabling 'sync to vblank' and game becomes playable.
[14:14] <yossarianuk> mgraesslin: that makes sense,
[14:14] <yossarianuk> note: same thing happens in other DE's not just KDe.
[14:15] <yossarianuk> KDE seems to be just as fast as any other for gaming (gnome3 used to be the worse until about 3.8.)
[14:16] <mgraesslin> that doesn't surprise me that that is a universal problem
[14:16] <mgraesslin> in my opinion: if you run a DE and a window manager for playing games, you do it wrong(TM)
[14:16]  * mamarley doesn't play games much, but when it does, he does it wrong™.
[14:16]  * mgraesslin needs to change that in future and make it clear that it only applies to X11
[14:18] <clivejo> for some reason gtk-recordmydesktop suddenly stopped working yesterday, any ideas why?
[14:19] <yofel> not if "stopped working" is the only information you can gather.. any output on the command line? any errors in dmesg?
[14:20] <mgraesslin> the moon moved, it's obvious, isn't it?
[14:21] <yofel> wasn't that butterflies? :D
[14:21] <yossarianuk> mgraesslin: whilst this subject is being discussed - my work PC with integrated intel GPU  (Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller) by default had terrible issues with kubuntu 15.04
[14:22] <yossarianuk> not just screen tearing, it was like you were watching faulty analogue video - in some ways the most spectacular of GPU errors.  
[14:22]  * mgraesslin remembers having bitched about Intel driver quality this week...
[14:22] <yossarianuk> I fixed that by turning 'tearing prevention' to -> never
[14:23] <yossarianuk> after that change no issues ever
[14:23] <yossarianuk> before it was random - i.e it would work for a day or so (sometimes) without issue, sometimes 5 mins after booting up...
[14:23] <clivejo> yofel: isnt stopped working a valid piece of feekback ?!?
[14:23] <yossarianuk> I have dual monitor setup also (which may be part of the cause)
[14:24] <clivejo> error 256 if that means anything to you
[14:24] <yofel> clivejo: I welcome you to triage a bug report that has "Doesn't work" as the only Text contents...
[14:24] <clivejo> LOL
[14:24] <genii> It's at times like these I wish the factoid "doesntwork" had not been deleted
[14:25] <clivejo> it did work, up until yesterday
[14:25] <clivejo> I blame the official release
[14:26] <yofel> yeah right, as if someone put code into the package that goes "if [ -n "$(lsb_release -d | grep develop") ]; then exit 256; fi"
[14:26] <yofel> does it not start at all?
[14:27] <yossarianuk> well if anyone complains about 2001 style (i.e the end sequence of the film) style GPU issues with plasma5/intel - ask them to set kde's tearing prevention to Never.
[14:28] <mamarley> I have a couple of systems with Intel GPUs running Plasma 5 and the Tearing Prevention set to "Full Scene Repaints" (the only way to completely get rid of tearing on Intel) and they don't have any problems.
[14:32] <yossarianuk> now that mesa is starting to support opengl4 with there be a opengl4 renderer ?
[14:32] <yossarianuk> (i've seen the post about vulkan - ie there is no real benefit using it for kwin)
[14:57] <palasso> Riddell: I'm with you :)
[15:07] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-131-g4e5297a * Safa Alfulaij: notifier/MuonNotifier.cpp
[15:07] <pursuivant> Fix plural issues in notifier
[15:07] <pursuivant> There are some plural strings in notifier which are marked for translation by i18n instead of i18np.
[15:07] <pursuivant> REVIEW: 125423
[15:07] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/4e5297a18d649ace71b8e96d1ed2488cbe4af247
[16:20] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-132-g94ef0ea * Aleix Pol: libmuon (17 files in 8 dirs)
[16:20] <pursuivant> Expose the resource size into the resourcesmodel
[16:20] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/94ef0ea1e9fcee6ef88d269b4c71adff5ede95b3
[16:20] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-133-g44c1a9e * Aleix Pol: discover/qml (3 files)
[16:21] <pursuivant> Make it possible to sort the application list by size
[16:21] <pursuivant> Also make it the default when reviewing the installed applications
[16:21] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/44c1a9e51c0220378f9331164693796c929c5980
[16:52] <ahoneybun> how the heck do people use GNOME's file manager??? it's missing so many features 
[16:53] <TJ-> It's a Gnome ... it is stunted growth :D
[16:57] <ahoneybun> XD
[16:57] <ahoneybun> yea I'm putting Kubuntu back on that laptop I think lol
[17:03] <ximion> ahoneybun: which feature are you mising?
[17:03] <ximion> (they're sometimes hidden nicely :P)
[17:21] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.4.2-134-g08a4aae * Aleix Pol: discover/qml/InstalledPage.qml
[17:21] <pursuivant> Size sorting should be descending
[17:21] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/08a4aaebc13a19a834bad63015ec6095d5de5930
[17:51] <genii> Riddell: So where do we send you money for beer after this?
[17:59] <clivejo> send it c/o me ;)  Ill see he gets some of it :P
[17:59] <clivejo> minus a sampling and handling fee of course
[18:01] <genii> clivejo: Heh :)
[18:08] <genii> Guess I'll go with https://www.kde.org/community/donations/index.php
[18:13] <clivejo> yeah, probably best, or the rhanda sprint if you support their work
[18:15] <clivejo> oh its closed - https://www.kde.org/fundraisers/kdesprints2015/