[00:14] <Double0negative> Has anyone else found 15.10 to be extremtly unstable
[00:18] <loki_> Hi all.
[00:18] <loki_> Can someone here reccomend some good easy reading about sym-links?  I'm trying to make a sym link for apt-get so that it uses apt-fast instead :)
[00:18] <loki_> thanks in advance :)
[00:21] <TJ-> loki_: "man ln"
[00:21] <loki_> ohhh thank you so much :)
[00:25] <loki_> TJ-: would this work ?  http://pastebin.com/Vq6t1SjD
[00:26] <TJ-> loki_: that points a symbolic link /usr/sbin/apt-fast to the executable /usr/bin/apt-get
[00:27] <loki_> I think I believe that's what I am trying to accomplish.
[00:27] <TJ-> loki_: I think you wanted it the opposite way about. Remember to back-up the current apt-get executable so it isn't wiped out, best to use dpkg-divert for that
[00:31] <loki_> than k you for taking the time to explain this.. I am reading.. but this is very new territory for me :)  what exactly does dpkg-divert  do exactly in Layman's terms :)
[00:31] <loki_> TJ-: so this would then be proper?   ln -s /usr/sbin/apt-fast /usr/bin/apt-get
[00:31] <loki_> and I can just copy apt-get and save it in another directory?
[00:35] <TJ-> loki_: Yes, or use the system's own manager for that with "dpkg-divert --local --divert /usr/bin/apt-get.real --rename /usr/bin/apt-get"
[00:36] <loki_> Thank you again for your time.. and help :)
[00:43] <mparillo> Since the use case is for commands, would an alias be closer than a symbolic link? http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/aliases.html
[00:45] <Double0negative> Anyone else having stability problems with 15.10?
[01:19] <mparillo> Not for me. It has been much better than 15.04 for me ever since the first alpha
[02:02] <discipline> I can't find in Google a way to disable suspend when the laptop is plugged in the AC power for Kubuntu 15.04, does anyone know? :S
[02:32] <gordie> hey guys
[02:34] <denza242> discipline: left click the battery icon
[02:34] <denza242> 'configure power saving"
[02:34] <gordie> new to kubuntu
[02:39] <denza242> gordie: bottom right corner
[02:39] <denza242> there should be an icon
[02:39] <denza242> which looks somewhat like a battery
[03:38] <discipline> denza242: I have already changed that, disabled the "Suspend Session", yet still it suspended when unattended
[03:38] <discipline> but thanks for the input...
[03:38] <discipline> denza242: to be clear, I disabled the suspend session in the "On AC power" tab
[03:40] <denza242> discipline: oh uh
[03:41] <denza242> discipline: like
[03:41] <denza242> blargh
[03:41] <denza242> i can't think of anything
[03:41] <denza242> sorry
[03:41] <discipline> it's ok, it's cool, I just wanted to leave something compiling while I slept
[03:41] <discipline> but... no go :|
[03:53] <excalibr> discipline, which laptop model
[03:59] <discipline> excalibr: toshiba, c55e, AMD Video Card with Catalyst drivers, AMD CPU, kernel "3.19.0-30-generic #34-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 2 22:08:41 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[05:31] <denza242> hmm
[05:41] <denza242> skanlite isn't working
[05:41] <denza242> I skan a thing but when the save dialogue pops up
[05:41] <denza242> "no file found" or something
[05:44] <denza242> hang on
[05:45] <denza242> ah figured it out
[05:46] <denza242> it can't do 6400 DPi
[08:08] <Avihay_work> sigh, upgraded two computers to 15.04 lately, no internet connectivity, one has a realtek adapter and one has an intel athros thingy, both are, or rather were very common
[08:09] <hateball> There is no such thing as "Intel athros"
[08:09] <Avihay_work> I'm wondering if someone had the same expiriance, and how is it in 15.10
[08:09] <hateball> it's either Intel, or it's Atheros
[08:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:16] <Avihay_work> morning
[08:17] <hateball> Realtek is always awful so that's not really news. Intel usually works just fine.
[08:17] <hateball> Atheros is also awful, but tends to work better than Realtek at least
[08:17] <hateball> All in my experience, obviously
[08:18] <hateball> Avihay_work: If you have the chipsets handy we could perhaps solve the issues
[08:19] <svend-ev> Good morning
[08:22] <Avihay_work> pressure, work, can't, thanks for the offer though, came mostly to whine cause 15.04 took my cheese, and see if i'm the only one, and if 15.10 will help
[08:22] <Avihay_work> hateball: ^
[08:30] <gorilych> hello! Can somebody tell me where to file a bug for custom hotkeys stop working?
[08:31] <Avihay_work> and my usb drive is stuck at home, so I can't even try to upgrade
[08:32] <hateball> !bug | gorilych
[08:35] <gorilych> great, thanks!
[08:43] <gorilych> btw, how to debug this issue with hotkeys stop working? I set CapsLock to change keyboard layout and it works for a while, but after this pressing CapsLock starts toggling big letters
[09:14] <afsdfv> hi
[09:14] <afsdfv> HI i said
[09:45] <howlymowly> hi everyone...  short question: i am trying to install kubuntu on an Acer Aspire R3-471T  laptop with win10 problem is: I get to the install screen where I can put in the name of the system as well as choose the language but when I click continue it shows the mouse pointer turns into a waiting symbol and thats it ...  nothing else happens. I can still minimize the window though...  any idea whats going on here?
[09:45] <howlymowly> (I use a kubuntu 15.10 installed on an USB stick. I already used the same stick to install the same kubuntu version on other computers ...)
[10:02] <yossarianuk> congrats on 15.10 !
[10:02] <yossarianuk> will these fixes for 5.4.3 be in the normal repos for 15.10 (without PPA?) -> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/10/looking-at-some-crashers-fixed-this-week/
[10:03] <yossarianuk> kubuntu definitely had the more exciting release this time... (as opposed to Ubuntu)
[10:08] <nora99> Hi! I just installed Kubuntu (Ubuntu version 15.10, Plasma version 5.4.2, OS-Type 64-bit, Kernel Version 4.2.0-16-generic) and am having problems when I first login after booting.
[10:08] <nora99> basically it takes about 2-3 minutes until I can click anything at all
[10:08] <nora99> Any ideas what i can do ?
[10:08] <nora99> I've done update and dist-upgrade
[10:09] <hateball> nora99: I recall there is some bug... somewhere. You can disable the splash screen and it should work
[10:10] <howlymowly> nora99:   i think I have the same bug ;)  it takes hours until I can do anything ...
[10:10] <nora99> haha, then i should be happy with the 2-3 minutes O_o
[10:10] <nora99> I'll try it with disabling the splash screen
[10:11] <nora99> or should i remove it fully?
[10:11] <hateball> You can just disable it in the options
[10:11] <hateball> iirc there is some service that waits/hangs, which causes the splash to remain
[10:11] <hateball> I'll see if I can find the proper bug
[10:11] <mparillo> I wonder if it is a side-effect of fixing: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351805
[10:12] <mparillo> I have noticed my boot taking a bit longer (not 2-3 minutes), but it is worth it to me as it appears (more testing required) to have also fixed this won't fix bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344600
[10:12] <nora99> alright, disables the splash screen, rebooting now
[10:12] <nora99> thx guys
[10:15] <nora99_> hm, no that didn't solve it.
[10:16] <nora99_> I have the following behaviour: I login after booting or a reboot, then I can't klick anything. But if i do alt + space and open e.g. firefox or a console, everything works
[10:16] <nora99_> if i don't do that it takes a few minutes
[10:16] <nora99_> any ideas?
[10:28] <nora99> so, yeah
[10:29] <nora99> so no ideas?
[10:29] <nora99> no suggestions?
[10:29] <nora99> as to what else i could try?
[10:30] <hateball> nora99: check what you've got autostarting, if there's anything there that might stall
[10:30] <hateball> Sadly there is no standard user-space logging facility, that would be nice for situations like these
[10:37] <jubo2> what should I try to get Kubuntu15.10 working with sounds
[10:38] <yossarianuk> jubo2: try checking the mixer device/volume
[10:38] <jubo2> I'm still suspecting the audio devices not being detected and correctly shown in System Settings is something to do with the old settings found in the old /home partition that I mounted upon install
[10:39] <lordievader> jubo2: Didn't you exclude that yesterday?
[10:41] <jubo2> lordievader: I am suspecting that the audio is not working because the installer mounted /home partition too early and got the broken settings from there
[10:42] <jubo2> I dunno what I should do
[10:42] <lordievader> jubo2: You could pull up a live-usb and see if it works in there.
[10:44] <jubo2> lordievader: already tried that
[10:44] <jubo2> lordievader: the audio was correctly detected by the Live-CD
[10:45] <lordievader> Interesting, was this an upgrade?
[10:45] <jubo2> but if I install without the /home and get the sounds to work that way they will likely break as soon as I mount the old /home
[10:45] <jubo2> lordievader: no, clean install
[10:45] <lordievader> jubo2: Try your theory, I'd say.
[10:46] <jubo2> The I just need to copy all the .dotfiles and .dotdirs over the old /home and only then remount
[10:46] <hateball> so remove the sound settings in your ~/ then?
[10:46] <lordievader> Or that.
[10:46] <jubo2> hateball: yeah. what files / dirs I need to remove?
[10:46] <hateball> jubo2: I am not on plasma 5 now, dont know if they have moved elsewhere
[10:47] <hateball> on 4.x it's ~/.kde/share/config/kmixrc among others
[10:47] <hateball> but kmix is not needed in 5 so I guess there is some plasma-pa or other config
[10:50] <lordievader> You also want to remove alsa and pulseaudio's config. But I have no idea where those are kept.
[10:50] <jubo2> I see also phonondevicerc
[10:51] <jubo2> that's something to do with the audio
[10:53] <jubo2> I gonna reinstall without mounting the old /home partition and see what happens
[10:53] <jubo2> wasting only 20 minutes if it doesn't work out
[10:54] <jubo2> off to reinstall
[11:06] <gpe> hi, I wonder someone knows a way to setup kget to download without asking for location every time
[11:07] <hateball> gpe: I dont use it, but the manual suggests you can setup default directories
[11:11] <gpe> yes, the manual seems a bit "light". It is asking for regular expression to setup the groups
[11:11] <juboxi> Hello again. Reinstalling the Kubuntu15.10 without mounting the old /home partition and the audio is automatically correctly detected and shown in System Settings
[11:12] <juboxi> So it seems I just need to nuke all the sound settings from the old /home before install and that way I could have a working system with my old /home in place
[11:14] <jubo2> hold on.. how about I copy the current sound settings to the old /home partition over the broken ones, reinstall and hope for best
[11:17] <jubo2> there are no kmixrc or kmixctlrc in my ~/.kde/share/config (!)
[11:18] <hateball> as I said, I am on 4.x on this machine
[11:18] <jubo2> yeah. kmix is not installedso no settings there
[11:18] <hateball> things are likely in some other place in 5
[11:18] <jubo2> Anyone know where the sound configs are in Plasma5 ?
[11:19] <TJ-> jubo2: on 15.10 I find "~/.config/kmixrc"
[11:21] <jubo2> TJ-: thanks.. just noticed the same thing
[11:21] <hateball> that should only matter if you're actually using kmix tho, I'd think
[11:22] <hateball> and that is not needed in 15.10
[11:22] <lordievader> I'd really look for any ALSA or PA config files.
[11:22] <lordievader> Thought it was .asound.conf and .pulseaudio (they aren't there by default)
[11:23] <TJ-> It was created by something; not sure what. I use ALSA/Pulseaudio with 2 sound devices without problems, but I've seen that jubo2 has been having extended issues with that
[11:23] <lordievader> Same here, one internal card, one networked. No problems.
[11:24] <lordievader> Relatively little custom config (none in the home dir for as far as I am aware)
[11:24] <TJ-> jubo2: did you try creating a new user and comparing the config for that user with the broken user profile? Or does a new user suffer the same fate (which points to a system-wide issue) ?
[11:27] <sebastian> guten tag
[11:27] <Guest76677> kann mir jemand bei conky helfen
[11:30] <jubo2> I removed the kmixer files from the ~/.kde/share/config
[11:31] <jubo2> Anyone have any ideas what sound config files I should also move away to get the installer to detect the HW right and not reading the old broken settings
[11:32] <lordievader> jubo2: 23-13:22 < lordievader> Thought it was .asound.conf and .pulseaudio (they aren't there by default)
[11:34] <jubo2> my old /home partition seems to have both ~/.kde/share/config and ~/.config
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:35] <jubo2> oh yeah..
[11:35] <jubo2> Now I figure out
[11:35] <jubo2> I booted to Kubuntu14 for a week and that has Plasma4 so it created settings for that
[11:36] <BluesKaj> seems sasl connection on freenode fails on Konverstion
[11:36] <jubo2> Hiya BluesKaj
[11:36] <jubo2> I installed clean Kubuntu15.10 and the audio works
[11:36] <jubo2> so my theory that it reads some broken settings during setup if the old /home partition is mounted upon install time
[11:37] <jubo2> ... seems to be correct
[11:37] <BluesKaj> did you wipe your old /home ?
[11:37] <jubo2> Now I'm trying to move all the old and broken audio settings away so the installer would detect the cards right
[11:37] <jubo2> BluesKaj: no, just didn't tell the installer to mount it
[11:38] <jubo2> this way the audio works like a charm
[11:38] <jubo2> but I would like to keep my old /home partition
[11:38] <jubo2> so I try to remove any audio settings from the /oldhome I have temporarily mounted now
[11:40] <BluesKaj> don't think the old home partition has anytgig to do with alsa and pulseaudio, jubo2, now you'll notice that pulseaudio is reinstalled on 15.10 by default
[11:40] <BluesKaj> anything
[11:41] <jubo2> BluesKaj: The only thing I did different in this install was not to mount the /home
[11:41] <jubo2> and audio works like a charm
[11:41] <jubo2> So I want the installer to create sound settings from clean scratch but keep all the other apps settings and naturally my files
[11:42] <BluesKaj> like I said you now have pulseaudio again, that's probly why it works
[11:44] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio usually works , but I don't need it so i don't use it ...however, a lot of audio drivers rely on pulse now
[11:45] <BluesKaj> anyway I'm glad your audio works for you, but I maintain it has nothing to do with your /home
[11:46] <jubo2> BluesKaj: the difference between a clean install and an install dirtied by some lingering old verbed up configs is that in clean I see the devices correctly in System Settings instead of just "default"
[11:46] <jubo2> BluesKaj: It has
[11:46] <jubo2> I have tested this now once
[11:46] <jubo2> if I mount the /home partition during installation I get broken system, if I don't I get functioning system
[11:48] <BluesKaj> well I don't , I always mount it and I end up with a new alsa and pulseaudio plus config files, and the audio always works, the I proceed to purge pulse
[11:49] <BluesKaj> then
[11:50] <jubo2> I installed JACK on the old system
[11:50] <jubo2> that prlly messed up the settings
[11:52] <jubo2>  how about I move all the config dirs away and manually copy the few configs I need to retain.. like konversationrc ?
[11:52] <jubo2> whatcha figure BluesKaj?
[11:53] <jubo2> I mean move the configs away. Install with mounting /home and hoping it will write clean settings
[11:54] <jubo2> I try. Back in 25 mins
[11:54] <BluesKaj> jubo2, I don't fool with old configs on new OSs that's why I mount the /home dir
[12:11] <juboxi> Nope. No audio devices in System Settings
[12:12] <jubo2> I moved the ~/.settings and ~/.kde out of the way but the installer still found some old muck that stopped it from correctly detecting the cards
[12:13] <TJ-> jubo2: have you looked for clues in ~/.xsession-errors, /var/log/syslog, and others?
[12:14] <TJ-> jubo2: when you say "the installer found ..." do you really mean, "after installation and rebooting a log-in using the old /home/$USER/ directory fails to show audio devices" ?
[12:15] <jubo2> TJ-: I mean that the cards aren't shown right in the System Settings
[12:15] <jubo2> and no audio is available
[12:16] <jubo2> I think I want to install 100% clean. Mount the old /home partition and physically copy my files and the configs that are fine
[12:17] <jubo2> but I don't have enough spare space to do that
[12:18] <TJ-> jubo2: OK, so it isn't an *installer* issue, it's an issue with the working user environment post-install.
[12:18] <BluesKaj> jubo2, you probly have 2 /home dirs. one in /, now that you didn't set a mountpoint for your original /home, there's one on that old home partition as well
[12:18] <hateball> assuming you have *some* spare space you could shrink current /home, create new partition and install to that, then move over stuff, resizing partitions as you go
[12:18] <jubo2> BluesKaj: currently the old /home partition was mounted in the installer
[12:18] <hateball> Terribly tedious work tho
[12:19] <jubo2> I have 555GB network attached storage at this one place so I can use that
[12:19] <lordievader> jubo2: Do you have alsa or pa configs in your home dir?
[12:20] <TJ-> jubo2: why not manually stop the pulseaudio sound-server once logged in, then start it in the foreground with full debug/verbosity and see if it reveals what it is doing? You could also run it under 'strace' to check which files it accesses
[12:20] <BluesKaj> nothing tedious about it just use the manual partyitioning and install to / and setting the /home mountpoint ...qiuite simple really
[12:21] <jubo2> BluesKaj: but setting the /home mount point leads to broken audio
[12:21] <jubo2> I gonna install 100% clean and somehow move my user files over
[12:21] <BluesKaj> it doesn't here
[12:21] <TJ-> jubo2: sounds like an ALSA/JACK inherited config issue
[12:22] <BluesKaj> is your /homne ona different dribe or some such?
[12:22] <BluesKaj> drive
[12:22] <jubo2> TJ-: you are likely right in that
[12:22] <TJ-> jubo2: you did say you had the old system using Jack didn't you?
[12:22] <jubo2> BluesKaj: nope.. just a partition on the only disk
[12:22] <jubo2> TJ-: I had it
[12:22] <jubo2> then I broke all audio on it
[12:22] <TJ-> jubo2: OK, I'd investigate the user-specific Jack config files, and ALSA too
[12:22] <jubo2> then I mounted the /home dir onto Kubuntu14 and now I got really weird configs I fugre
[12:23] <BluesKaj> jack is for semi-pros , it's abitch to setup and it's really only for recording etc
[12:23] <BluesKaj> remove/purge jack
[12:23] <TJ-> jubo2: first thing I'd do to try to reduce the footprint of the possibilities, is "mv ~/.config ~/.config.old && ~/.local ~/.local.old"
[12:24] <jubo2> TJ-: I moved the .config and the .kde but still I get broken audio
[12:24] <TJ-> jubo2: typo... s/&&/&& mv/
[12:24] <jubo2> I'm looking at the JACK files
[12:24] <BluesKaj> there's your problem
[12:26] <lordievader> jubo2: That is what I was asking several times, do you have alsa/pa config in your home dir? (.asoundrc/.pulseaudio/*)
[12:29]  * BluesKaj backs off for now .... too many cooks in the audio kitchen ...have at it gents, I've had enough of this mess anyway
[12:31] <nfk|laptop> after upgrading to 15.10 i noticed that for example gfortran is no longer in the repos, am i missing something?
[12:32] <jubo2> lordievader: there is .asoundrc
[12:32] <nfk|laptop> jubo2, delete that
[12:32] <jubo2> and what.. reboot?
[12:32] <jubo2> reinstall?
[12:32] <lordievader> jubo2: Ah, what is it's contents?
[12:32] <jubo2> I moved it to .asoundrc-old
[12:32] <nfk|laptop> if you have .pulse or .config/pulse/ those go too
[12:33] <nfk|laptop> jubo2, you do not need it, delete it
[12:33] <jubo2> I already moved .pulse to .pulse old
[12:33] <nfk|laptop> finally get rid of jack config as well
[12:33] <nfk|laptop> then reboot, if that does not help, you either missed something or your system config is broken
[12:33] <nfk|laptop> that is config files under /etc
[12:34] <nfk|laptop> jubo2, basically it should just work, any config is only a risk that may make stuff break
[12:34] <nfk|laptop> current versions of jack and pulse should be aware of each other enough to work together fine
[12:34] <nfk|laptop> and alsa is just there in below the surface
[12:34] <nfk|laptop> jubo2, btw, you MUST do pulse stuff when pulseaudio is not running
[12:35] <nfk|laptop> you can do that with pulseaudio -k
[12:35] <jubo2> cant see any relevant configs in /etc
[12:35] <nfk|laptop> and then ps aux| grep pulse to make sure it's not automaticlally restarted
[12:35] <jubo2> I'ma reboot now and see what happens
[12:35] <nfk|laptop> jubo2, they are there, don't touch them
[12:35] <nfk|laptop> jubo2, you did read what i said, right?
[12:35] <jubo2> no pulse running
[12:35] <nfk|laptop> if pulseauido is running it will upon exit write config anew
[12:35] <jubo2> ok
[12:35] <jubo2> I reboot
[12:35] <nfk|laptop> and it's autostarted by smart enough applications
[12:40] <juboxi> success!
[12:40] <jubo2> it was the .asoundrc in mah home dir I think
[12:40] <jubo2> that was missing the thing up
[12:41] <nfk|laptop> so it works? good to hear that
[12:41] <jubo2> yeah
[12:41] <nfk|laptop> now, would someone know what's wrong with fortran?
[12:42] <jubo2> I see if I can return konversation settings
[12:43] <lordievader> nfk|laptop: According to [1] it should have been built and in the repos. [1] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-defaults
[12:43] <lordievader> !info gfortran wily
[12:44] <nfk|laptop> lordievader, yeah, but i get
[12:44] <jubo2> Yeah.. looking food now
[12:44] <nfk|laptop> E: Package 'gfortran' has no installation candidate
[12:46] <lordievader> nfk|laptop: What is the output of 'apt-cache policy gfortran'?
[12:47] <nfk|laptop> lordievader, it was the server, i was using the local server
[12:47] <jubo2> Big thanks to you nfk|laptop
[12:47] <nfk|laptop> but apparently the shit is acting up
[12:48] <Simonious> so grep --exclude='*.min* XMLHttpRequest * -r | grep voltage > voltage2 is taking WAY longer than grep -r XMLHttpRequest * | grep voltage > voltage  the first one finished at 90k, the 2nd one is at 33G and growing, wth?  I'm supposed to be excluding files on the second one..  (yes I'm in the same path).
[12:48] <Simonious> oh.. forgot the 2nd ' when retyping here on the exclude..  but I used it in the command.
[12:49] <nfk|laptop> phew, i'm saved from overtime
[12:49] <nfk|laptop> jubo2, others were already giving you the correct advice
[12:49] <nfk|laptop> it would have worked out anyway
[12:49] <jubo2> nfk|laptop: true
[12:50] <jubo2> Thanks BluesKaj and lordievader for your help in my conundrum
[12:50] <jubo2> Next year will be 20 yrs using GNU/Linukka.. maybe I learn this stuff one day
[12:51] <BluesKaj> jubo2, yw, but next time tell helpers everything you've done with your audio setup including apps like jack or any other situation you have
[12:52] <jubo2> BluesKaj: yeah..
[13:08] <jubo2> BluesKaj: I had PulseAudio -> ALSA -> JACK bridging activated.. for a little while
[13:09] <nfk|laptop> which is completely wrong
[13:09] <nfk|laptop> wherever you learned about that was terribly wrong
[13:10] <nfk|laptop> pulseaudio for years now will automatically release the audio device if it detects jack running and then connect to jack as a client
[13:10] <nfk|laptop> and JACK in fact is also sitting on top of ALSA
[13:10] <nfk|laptop> so you had PA -> ALSA - > Jack -> alsalib -> kernel ALSA there
[13:11] <nfk|laptop> and you can make it worse
[13:11] <nfk|laptop> i remember seeing audio stack diagrams running in circles before PA even existed
[13:13] <nfk|laptop> jubo2, btw, for alsa applications to work you probably would have also had to have ALSA emulation -> PA -> some ALSA wizardry -> Jack -> libalsa -> kernel ALSA
[13:13] <jubo2> nfk|laptop: you can really verb up your ears and your stereo if you mess around with a potential loop on high-power PA and a microphone
[13:13] <jubo2> like..
[13:13] <nfk|laptop> the alternative would have been PA to connect to dmix but not only is that terrible i'm not sure if anything passing for current PA would even accept such config
[13:13] <jubo2> Totally Anti-Disney on 'em
[13:13] <nfk|laptop> it shouldn't, IMO
[13:13] <jubo2> nfk|laptop: I think I can get what I want in ALSA now that it's up
[13:14] <nfk|laptop> jubo2, you shouldn't be wanting anything from it, other than to stay out of your life
[13:15] <jubo2> I think I want HW mixer but too poor due to capitalist no gib job
[13:15] <nfk|laptop> there is no such thing as HW mixer unless you splurge a lot
[13:15] <nfk|laptop> for the past 25 years most audio hardware has had no hardware mixing
[13:15] <nfk|laptop> *PC audio hardware
[13:15] <lordievader> Configuring ALSA yourself is hell, just let PA do it for you.
[13:16] <jubo2> Rackfuls of shiny metal boxed things with lots of nice leds blinking. Can has?
[13:16] <nfk|laptop> no idea
[13:16] <nfk|laptop> if you're talking about receivers, perhaps
[13:16] <nfk|laptop> but you'd basically need to have per application wiring then
[13:17] <nfk|laptop> since receivers are meant to receive input from various devices
[13:17] <jubo2> I think I want radio/tv/studio vocational training
[13:17] <nfk|laptop> i don't have any, fyi
[13:18] <nfk|laptop> and you're against some serious competition anyway
[13:18] <jubo2> kids: turning the monitor feed onto the loudspeaker system can hurt your ears and your stereo set
[13:18] <jubo2> so think where you place your mic on your computer table and where not in relation to the loudspeakers, mmkay?
[13:20] <jubo2> No need to wonder why getting the really hurt your ears settings in consumer electronics is made difficult or impossible
[13:20] <lordievader> jubo2: You created a feedback loop?
[13:21] <yossarianuk> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/jonathan-riddell-stands-down-as-release-manager-of-kubuntu/
[13:21] <jubo2> lordievader: not yet
[13:21] <jubo2> but I can do it from Ardour4.2
[13:21] <jubo2> once I get to installing that
[13:26] <TJ-> yossarianuk: Yes, and its likely Harald will quit too
[13:27] <BluesKaj> so I wonder who's going to take charge of Kubuntu 16.04
[13:28] <Pici> you!
[13:28] <t-reverse> what are the system requirements for 15.10 anyone? recommended hard disk space etc.
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Pici, no I'm serious, anyone in mind?
[13:32] <TJ-> Depends if someone wants to step up for it; it is a lot of work
[13:36] <yossarianuk> t-reverse: this is for ubuntu (and probably fairly old) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[13:36] <yossarianuk> TJ-: its sad really as Kubuntu is a really good distro...
[13:37] <yossarianuk> Its not like you can just switch to debian stable and get plasma5...
[13:37] <yossarianuk> last time I looked there was no plasma5 even in SID...
[13:37] <TJ-> yossarianuk: Yes; I've been considering getting involved the past 4 months but didn't/don't want to waste the effort if the flavour peters out. I'm also of the same view as J.R. regarding Canonical
[13:41] <BluesKaj> I  prefer kde4 and plasma 4 over this so called advance...to me it's a regression since so many of my fav features are gone
[13:41] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: I cannot imagine going back to kde4 now....
[13:41] <yossarianuk> have you tried latest version /
[13:42] <BluesKaj> to each his own, but I'm keeping 14.04 around
[13:42] <A|F|S> The new version is awesome
[13:42] <A|F|S> :)
[13:43] <BluesKaj> yossarianuk, I've testing 15.10 since december
[13:43] <BluesKaj> been
[13:43] <yossarianuk> September ?
[13:44] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: By 16.04 i'm sure kde/plasma/whereveritscalled will be refined enough .... (if kubuntu still exists...)
[13:44] <BluesKaj> oops since may, I'm always testing the dev release
[13:45] <yossarianuk> ive been running it for over a month - really liking it.
[13:45] <yossarianuk> the desktop generally seems snappier than previous plasma/kde releases..
[13:46] <BluesKaj> like I said , to each his own, but there are still some problems
[13:46] <TJ-> I've found lots of critical regression, overall, between 14.04 and 15.10 though, which makes 15.10 hard to use for my standard configuration
[13:47] <yossarianuk> not trying to make you leave kubuntu but the best KDE4 distro I have used is NeptuneOS.
[13:47] <BluesKaj> the breeze theme doesn't do much for me for example
[13:47] <yossarianuk> based on Debian stable, but more tuned for desktop use.
[13:47] <yossarianuk> it has later kernel + later drivers (nvidia, etc) which makes it more useful
[13:48] <yossarianuk> (for desktop)
[13:48] <jubo2> Is there a preferred copyleft software for taking snapshots of partitions?
[13:48] <yossarianuk> also has the BFS scheduler (and I believe fancy preload) which makes the desktop feel more responsive..
[13:49] <BluesKaj> no drop down history dialog in krunner, no individual wallpapers for VDs etc etc
[13:51] <yossarianuk> the wallpaper thing is annoying I'll give you that.
[13:51] <BluesKaj> no configurable quicklaunch for the panel
[13:51] <TJ-> jubo2: snapshots? 'dd' ?
[13:52] <yossarianuk> jubo2: do you mean lvm snapshots ?
[13:52] <TJ-> yossarianuk: I find the lowlatency kernel doesn't suffer desktop latency
[13:53] <jubo2> TJ-: Oh yeah..
[13:53] <jubo2> yeah..
[13:53] <BluesKaj> takes the panel 45 secs to load after the dektop does
[13:53] <BluesKaj> desktop even
[13:54] <jubo2> TJ-: but wouldn't dd reproduce also all empty parts of the partition ?
[13:54] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I purged the underlying 'search' indexer to stop that
[13:54] <TJ-> jubo2: yes. that's a snapshot. If you want an optimized image you'd need a file-system-aware tool
[13:54] <BluesKaj> TJ-, it's disabled, you mean baloo?
[13:56] <jubo2> TJ-: plus using dd wouldn't I need to worry about something changing in the partition?
[13:57] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I forget now - when I first installed 15.10 I noticed something had a private mysqld running, so I purged all the packages
[13:57] <yossarianuk> TJ-:  sorry it isn;t BFS - its BFQ i/o scheduler - either way it seems to make the desktop slightly more responsive.
[13:58] <BluesKaj> TJ-, or do you mean the plasma search in systemsettings>search
[13:58] <yossarianuk> jubo2: if you have LVM make a snapshot 100% size then dd the snapshot.
[13:59] <BluesKaj> msyqld is probly akonadi server which i disable immediately after installation, TJ-
[14:00] <TJ-> That's be it; I can't get my memory around the weird KDE codenames
[14:04] <marco-parillo> Can't you get different wallpapers on each activity? What do virtual desktops do that activities do not?
[14:08] <BluesKaj> marco-parillo, I tried that in activities too, it worked to some extent but not the way i was used to with the pager
[14:09] <BluesKaj> besides activities too clunky for my purposes
[14:11] <yossarianuk> BluesKaj: +1
[14:11] <yossarianuk> totally agree.
[14:13] <TJ-> I'm also disappointed that devs don't seem to pay attention to .xsession-errors; I see loads of obviously amateur mistakes causing silly warnings that are easily fixed
[14:13] <BluesKaj> guess i don't get the point of activities advantages over virtual desktops, whatever they might be.
[14:28] <jubo2> Plasma still does not have a "raise all little black screens to top of window stack"
[14:28] <jubo2> I need to point and click 4 times
[14:31] <yossarianuk> Ive only just seen that Mark Shuttleworth was the first patron of KDE - he's changed.......
[14:35] <yossarianuk> if only he'd adopted kde instead of gnome/unity im sure desktop linux would have more users...
[14:35] <jubo2> Desktop GNU/Linukka is a piece of nakki these days..
[14:37] <jubo2> I installed friend Kubuntu14 and told him to "look for the little black window" and enter commands 'sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade' into it whenever he sees a bubble saying something about "security upgrades". That plus showed him where to find LibreOffice Writer
[14:37] <jubo2> He's been a happy desktop GNU/Linukka user
[14:38] <TJ-> I'd never guess 'little black window' meant a terminal! I thought you were referring to a modal dialog box
[14:40] <denza242> jubo2: I just use muon update mangler
[14:41] <jubo2> wuzzdat denza242?
[14:41] <denza242> it's a frontend to apt-get upgrade i think
[14:42] <BluesKaj> they're all part of the base dpkg syatem
[14:42] <jubo2> better be good or it's a mess
[14:42] <BluesKaj> system even
[14:58] <jubo2> what should I do with a .bin file
[14:58] <jubo2> I'm thinking 'sudo sh jdk8.bin' but the autocompletion ain't supporting this theory
[14:58] <jubo2> trying to install a working copy of Android Studio
[15:01] <TJ-> jubo2: do "file jdk8.bin" to find out what is in it
[15:01] <TJ-> jubo2: likely a self-exracting shell executable
[15:01] <jubo2> Already risked it and 'sudo sh'ed it
[15:03] <denza242> i personally use the webupd8 PPA to get java
[15:03] <TJ-> openJDK 8 is in the repos
[15:09] <jubo2> I got the IBM Java, is that bad?
[15:10] <jubo2> I reboot now. Thanks all who've contributed to this great OS
[15:29] <Odur> Hmmm... Having trouble importing mail from a backup from kmail under 14.10 to kmail under 15.10. No mail gets imported?
[16:01] <ejay> Guys, did they just shipped 15.10?
[16:03] <ejay> If so - how broken it is in scale of 0-10 where 0 is Vista broken and 10 is Apple maps broken.
[16:04] <Odur> ehmm... 5? :)
[16:05] <Odur> Have not noticed any bad things yet, except I probably lost all local mail. But that is my own fault....
[16:05] <ejay> Odur: hey, that's a great score for a plasma! In about a year we are gonna get something that will work. Great news.
[16:10] <ejay> Boo, it looks like I'm on 15.10 already. So dissapointing. I was so hyped for new features and bug fixes.
[16:13] <drleviathan> I just downloaded the 15.10 image over bittorrent.  I'll watch the news and if I don't hear of terrible disasters I'll try to install it in a week or two.
[16:26] <jubo2> How do I make an exact copy of a directory and all it's subdirectories? 'cp -r ~/directory/* ~/anotherdirectory/.' ?
[16:29] <jubo2> try and see?
[16:29] <jubo2> I mean I see no harm in running that
[16:29] <jubo2> except if it doesn't for some reason copy everything
[16:30] <jubo2> and oh yeah.. need to 'mkdir anotherdirectory' first
[16:32] <marco-parillo> jubo2: I believe that when you cp the target date will be the current date
[16:33] <jubo2> marco-parillo: ok.. I don't mind that
[16:36] <frank__> Hi, I just installed latest Kubuntu on my computer and install fcitx, however, I could not find where I can input chinese
[16:39] <jubo2> frank__: sounds like you need an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_method
[16:40] <jubo2> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_input_methods_for_computers
[16:43] <frank__> I installed fcitx, which shall have pinyin input for chinese, however, I do not know where I can add chinese input method. there is a config tool but it does not work
[16:43] <jubo2> Cannot help you there frank__
[16:43] <jubo2> frank__..
[16:44] <frank__> Ok, thx
[16:44] <jubo2> Have you seen the movie Calamari Union by Aki Kaurismäki.. it features few dozen characters named Frank
[16:45] <BluesKaj> jubo2, not many Finnish movies make it to Canada
[16:46] <frank__> in ubuntu, I can add chinese language in system setting.
[16:46] <jubo2> BluesKaj: In a few years time we will have the Spotify of movies and TV series
[16:46] <jubo2> 9.99€ / month
[16:46] <BluesKaj> we have spotify I think
[16:46] <frank__> but in Kubutu, the region setting does not have language support
[16:46] <jubo2> that's my guess anyways
[16:48] <jubo2> BluesKaj: and Spotify works in browser even if you cannot get the spotify repo to work
[16:48] <BluesKaj> frank I think there's a kubuntu kylin image, but that's a totally chinese version I think
[16:52] <skrite> hey all
[16:52] <skrite> anyone have any issues upgrading from 15.04 to 15.10?
[16:53] <BluesKaj> skrite, are you asking or want to share your issue?
[16:53] <TJ-> skrite: You?
[16:57] <marco-parillo> When I ran the upgrade, it worked, but I lost the icons on my favorites on the Applications Launcher
[16:58] <marco-parillo> I simply removed them and re-added them and I had my icons.
[17:00] <Odur> Strange... Can't connect to Hangouts in Telepathy no more.
[17:07] <marco-parillo> Were you able to right before the upgrade? I saw something where Google seemed to say a client i wanted to use (sorry I forget which one) was 'insecure', and advised me to use their preferred one.
[17:09] <Odur> Didn't upgrade. Fresh install (had 14.10 before)
[17:10] <Odur> 2-factor authentication on Google. Looks OK when I enter password and code from SMS, but won't connect
[17:10] <Odur> And I was able to connect before, yes
[17:15] <amaroq> Is everybody ok?
[17:16] <musca> Yes, it is a good day
[17:16] <musca> at least for KDE
[17:17] <EvilRoey> shadeslayer_:  I hope that Kubuntu stays strong into the future
[17:17] <EvilRoey> shadeslayer_:  I saw your comment on kubuntu reddit
[17:17] <amaroq> I'm ready for a kubuntu fork, lol..
[17:17] <amaroq> Lets fork off
[17:18] <EvilRoey> I feel like talking about forking or moving to other distributions detracts from the efforts of developers who are in this same very chat channel
[17:18] <EvilRoey> *dismisses their efforts, rather
[17:18] <EvilRoey> so I will talk here about sticking with and enjoying Kubuntu :)
[17:18] <amaroq> #joke! : (
[17:18] <EvilRoey> Riddell:  thank you so much for your hard work
[17:24] <amaroq> Is Canonical getting evil or what?
[17:25] <BluesKaj> amaroq, neglectful and uncaring maybe, but not evil
[17:27] <amaroq> that'd be mark shuttleworth ultimately, or?
[17:29] <amaroq> how can a company setup to support ubuntu also be neglectful and uncaring while believing to be acting with its raison d'etre for being?
[17:30] <tsrct8> just used wubi to install kubuntu 12.10, dual boot with win 7.   how do i  find kubuntu updates?
[17:31] <skrite> BluesKaj: just attempted, about to restart, will let you know :)
[17:31] <BluesKaj> amaroq, it's KDE/plasma that he doesn't care about
[17:32] <amaroq> I see; not caring for the entire family, tut tut...
[17:32] <BluesKaj> wubi is not a dual boot tsrct8 , that's just kubuntu within a file on windows\
[17:33] <genii> tsrct8: Two problems here: 12.10 has been End Of Life for a very long time now and if you installed that, it's actually faster to just install a newer version from scratch than to go through the process of updating EOL to EOL versions until you get to something currently still supported. The other issue is wubi installs
[17:33] <BluesKaj> !wubi
[17:33] <BluesKaj> tsrct8,^
[17:34]  * genii feeds BluesKaj coffee and cookies
[17:34] <BluesKaj> thanks genii :-)
[17:34] <tsrct8> better to install kubuntu in a partition??
[17:35] <genii> tsrct8: Aboslutely
[17:35] <genii> also, Absolutely
[17:35]  * BluesKaj slides over some donuts to genii
[17:35]  * genii munches
[17:36] <BluesKaj> tsrct8, yes, Absolutely, much better:-)
[17:36] <tsrct8> that would be kubuntu 15.10...
[17:36] <genii> tsrct8: To get from 12.10 to a currently supported  version, you'd have to go 12.10 (EOL) to 13.04 ( which is also EOL) to 13.10 ( also EOL) to 14.04 (Yay, still supported!)
[17:39] <genii> tsrct8: Your best move is to install 14.04 and then in April next year go directly from 14.04 to 16.04
[17:39] <BluesKaj> best to burn a 14.04 and install it to it's own ext4 partition, tsrct8
[17:39] <BluesKaj> yup, good advice genii
[17:40] <BluesKaj> wll, I have leaves in my yard that need raking, BBL
[17:44] <denza242> https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Kubuntu-RM-Quits D:
[17:45] <genii> denza242: That's better for #kubuntu-offtopic than here :)
[17:45] <tsrct8> thx for helping, back to the install drawing board
[17:45] <denza242> genii: oops, meant to post there
[17:46] <denza242> #kubuntu is right above #kubuntu-offtopic
[18:11] <danakil> hello, I'm trying to add a Google "web account" to my freshly upgrade Kubuntu 15.10. I have AIM, GaduGadu and so on... but no Google
[18:11] <danakil> any idea please ?
[18:12] <drleviathan> don't you access "Google" through a web browser? (e.g. firefox or chromium)
[18:13] <danakil> well, of course I can go to gmail or google.com. I'm speaking of web account for Telepathy
[18:14] <drleviathan> I see, you want to sign into an online chat system using your google account as authentication.  I dunno.
[18:14] <danakil> ok, thank you
[18:15] <marco-parillo> After you tried, have you checked your GMail in a browser? ISTR I got an e-mail from Google saying my security was deprecated or something.
[18:16] <danakil> I can't try, I need to choose a provider to create an account. There are AIM, Yahoo and several others, but no google
[18:22] <BluesKaj> yeah, using your browser after a new install always generates those security email notices, google, facebook etc after logging in to them
[18:32] <denza242> BluesKaj: i think it's a different problem
[18:32] <denza242> BluesKaj: see, when I set up KMail, it wouldn't let me send anything, since it was a "non secure app" to gsmtp
[18:32] <denza242> you have to enable "non-secure apps" now
[18:33] <denza242> (even then kmail doesn't work with gmail :(
[18:33] <BluesKaj> denza242, guess I should have directed the reply to mparillo :-)
[18:34] <BluesKaj> ok, back to raking
[18:45] <skrite> upgrade went just fine.. however first login took a bit of time... guess it was sorting out the configs
[18:46] <marco-parillo> Actually, you are not the first to notice it. Did the destop load well before the panel?
[19:07] <BluesKaj> marco-parillo, yes the panel takes around 45 secs toload after the desktop
[19:09] <BluesKaj> it actually started thar behaviour with the Final daily, the day before the Official Release
[19:15] <marco-parillo> I have my pet theory. I think when sitter fixed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351805 it seemed to coincidently fix https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=344600 so I am happy that I do not need to re-enter my kwallet password every boot, but now it takes much longer.
[19:16] <bkovacs> So will Kubuntu live on without Johnathan?
[19:19] <BluesKaj> bkovacs, we're quite sure someone step in to try to fill the void. Heard rumours to that effect, but no names yet
[19:20] <bkovacs> Good to hear. I really enjoy Kubuntu.
[19:23] <BluesKaj> marco-parillo, I have kwallet disabled, but boot still takes much longer than last week's daily
[19:23] <marco-parillo> There goes my pet theory
[19:25] <BluesKaj> and akonadi and baloo as well
[19:27] <BluesKaj> ok ,back to the yardwork, can't waste this glorious weather
[19:27] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I'd be interested in seeing a pastebin of the ~/.xsession-errors to compare with one from my PC
[19:32] <skrite> marco-parillo, yes
[19:33] <skrite> bkovacs: i hope they keep up kubuntu also. i suppose i could install another distro on 16.04 or whatever, like ubuntu or somesuch and then apt-get kde
[19:33] <squash> super useful stuff: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?69161-Booting-install-image-from-USB-stresults-in-busybox-unable-to-find-a-live-file-system
[19:35] <bkovacs> True but I only need KDE and not another desktop enviroment with it's specific default apps,
[19:37] <squash> not sure if the community forum hates me specifically or not :)
[19:46] <skrite> bkovacs: indeed
[19:48] <bkovacs> Rather just have KCD vs Ubuntu with KDE. than you have two sets of default apps
[19:48] <bkovacs> Meant KDE
[20:25] <rodolfojcj> hello
[20:25] <rodolfojcj> greetings for everybody
[20:25] <rodolfojcj> I've just updated last night to Kubuntu 15.10
[20:26] <rodolfojcj> everything is working fine, but some minutes ago, suddenly, the monitor display was filled by horizontal lines, white lines most of them
[20:26] <rodolfojcj> I hardly see the windows and text characters on the screen
[20:27] <rodolfojcj> do you have an idea about what could be the reason?
[20:28] <rodolfojcj> If I minimize and restore, or press Alt+Tab to recover focus on a given application window, that lines are "cleaned" and I can see most of the area of such application window
[20:28] <rodolfojcj> ¿?
[20:35] <Odur> Aaaaand another problem. cifs shares not mounting at boot anymore. Have to "sudo mount -a"
[20:36] <Odur> same fstab as in 14.10
[20:36] <TJ-> Sounds like a systemd issue
[20:37] <Odur> Yeah... Spent 2 hours trying now, but no joy :/
[20:38] <rodolfojcj> I suspended my PC and some seconds later powered it again and the while lines disappeared
[20:38] <rattking> is the network up when it attempts to mount the cifs share?
[20:38] <rodolfojcj> so "fixed" for now
[20:38] <Odur> rattking: Probably not :)
[20:39] <Odur> But how am I gonna delay that?
[20:39] <TJ-> rodolfojcj: does the fstab entry have option _netdev ?
[20:39] <TJ-> Odur ^^^^ sorry, typo
[20:40] <rattking> when I hit that issue I ended up putting noauto in fstab and doing the mount later in boot
[20:40] <rattking> that was years ago though, there may be a batter way now
[20:40] <Odur> Isn't _netdev just for nfs shares? No matter, I've tried it and it didn't make any difference
[20:43] <Odur> switched to nfs and same problem.... Well, I remember that some years ago i changed the order of a file in rc.<some number> when I hit this problem. I just can't remeber the file name...
[20:44] <TJ-> Systemd figures out the correct order of units, usually quite well
[20:45] <rattking> maybe you could make a systemd unit to do it and make it depend on After=network.target
[20:47] <Odur> Hmm... maybe. I think I have to sleep on it. I'm new to systemd :P
[20:48] <Odur> BTW, I tried nfs too, but it had the same problem
[20:48] <Odur> My Plex server depends on those shares, so I'll have to solve this some how
[20:55]  * sick_rimmit Woo Hoo Kubuntu 15.10 Wily installed and running.. YaY \o/
[20:57] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: is this your first time running it?
[21:12] <sick_rimmit> clivejo: No I've installed some of the Alpha, Beta's in a VM to test them
[21:12] <sick_rimmit> But onto the metal of my machine, then yes this is the first time
[21:13] <sick_rimmit> It's completely gorgeous
[21:15] <clivejo> been using it for months, I guess the novelty has worn off
[21:27] <syntroPi> are there any tricks involved when running kubuntu 15.10 amd64 in vbox 4.3.32? Any special requirements?
[21:28] <sick_rimmit> syntroPi: You'll certainly want to install the Guest Additions
[21:29] <sick_rimmit> Often to get that to compile the VB Kernel drivers, you'll need to apt-get install gcc
[21:29] <syntroPi> yeah i installed from iso to ext4 in vbox, reboot hang so i had to kill it (pull the plug), well on first boot after kdm login the gui did just display a black screen, so i had to kill -9 Xorg to get a GUI. Just wondering if i did anything wrong
[21:32] <sick_rimmit> Hmmm
[21:32] <syntroPi> hmm on a clean install there is a vboxvideo 5.0.0 in the kernel loaded already. does the newer kernel/Xorg need vbox 5 instead of 4.3.32?
[21:32] <sick_rimmit> Not sure what's happening there
[21:33] <syntroPi> should i trash that module and get the correct version (4.3.32) compiled instead?
[21:33] <sick_rimmit> Well I didn't try installing into VB 5.0
[21:33] <lordievader> syntroPi: Is your host os Linux by any chance?
[21:33] <syntroPi> yes ubuntu gnome 15.04
[21:34] <syntroPi> x64 with proprietary nvidia
[21:35] <syntroPi> im just thinking about switching to kde so i want to evaluate kubuntu in vbox first
[21:36] <lordievader> syntroPi: Ah, then you can go the KVM route ;) I know Kubuntu Wily works in KVM.
[21:37] <syntroPi> lordievader, is the gui snappy in virtual machine manager?
[21:37] <lordievader> With the right settings, yes.
[21:37] <sick_rimmit> Well I know it works in VB 4, well I installed the Daily Build on 20th Oct
[21:37] <syntroPi> or are you using something else for kvm gui?
[21:38] <sick_rimmit> and installed Guest Additions, and compiled VB Kernel modules
[21:38] <lordievader> I usually use spice, but vnc does the job if you don't want spice.
[21:38] <sick_rimmit> It all worked well
[21:38] <syntroPi> sick_rimmit, for version 4?
[21:38] <sick_rimmit> That was on x64 Dell with Intel GPU
[21:38] <syntroPi> vbox 4.3.x?
[21:38] <sick_rimmit> Yes Vbox 4.3.x that's right
[21:38] <syntroPi> ok then i will first try that then
[21:39] <sick_rimmit> I'm kicking about here in IRC for a while.. ;-)
[21:40] <syntroPi> does kubuntu have an equivalent to synaptic on kde?
[21:40] <sick_rimmit> Well Muon
[21:40] <sick_rimmit> is our software center, it's really good
[21:41] <syntroPi> not that muon discover right?
[21:41] <sick_rimmit> Yes, that's right
[21:41] <sick_rimmit> It's had a revamp
[21:41] <syntroPi> so i need to install muon instead to get the full feature set?
[21:41] <sick_rimmit> No Muon is installed out of the box
[21:42] <sick_rimmit> and of course you can apt-get synaptic too if you want to
[21:42] <syntroPi> hmm im rather searching for some gui tool where i can find exact package names
[21:43] <syntroPi> like synaptic
[21:43] <syntroPi> or maybe i dont understand muon gui yet
[21:43] <sick_rimmit> OK, so installing synaptic will make you happy
[21:45] <bprompt> syntroPi:    Muon is pretty much like a kde version of synaptics
[21:45] <syntroPi> can i somehow activate full view of installed deb's in muon?
[21:46] <syntroPi> when i click on installed i just get some fancy icons with names, but not the installed packages
[21:46] <syntroPi> maybe im using it wrong?
[21:46] <bprompt> heheh
[21:47] <bprompt> syntroPi:   you're not using Muon Package Manager, you're likely using Muon Software Center, thus
[21:47] <syntroPi> aah technical packages
[21:47] <bprompt> syntroPi:     there are two Muon apps, the one that's pretty much just a kde version of synaptics, is Muon Package Manager
[21:47] <syntroPi> hidden below that magick stick :P
[21:48] <syntroPi> bprompt, can i install both of them at once?
[21:48] <bprompt> syntroPi:    both are installed already
[21:48] <bprompt> check your System Tools menu
[21:49] <syntroPi> hmm from a terminal i cant launch muon, searching for muon on start menu just gets me thet "muon discover"
[21:50] <sick_rimmit> No I don't see that
[21:50] <syntroPi> ofc i could install synaptic but i would like to explore all kde solutions first
[21:51] <sick_rimmit> quick apt-cache search muon finds
[21:51] <sick_rimmit> muon - package manager for KDE
[21:51] <sick_rimmit> This is not installed by default
[21:51] <sick_rimmit> So it's an apt-get install if you want to try it ou
[21:52] <sick_rimmit> t
[21:52] <syntroPi> parallel to the discover thingy?
[21:52] <syntroPi> ah thats better :))
[21:53] <sick_rimmit> Yeah.. Now I have a Synaptic style package tool
[21:53] <sick_rimmit> WoW!!
[21:54] <sick_rimmit> 50349 packages available..
[21:54] <sick_rimmit> I feel like a kid in the Candy Store
[21:54] <syntroPi> i have 78081 :P
[21:54] <mparillo> Aren't there three? Muon Update; Muon Discover, and plain old Muon? And plain old Muon is not installed by default.
[21:55] <mparillo> Plain old Muon is like Apper, right?
[21:55] <syntroPi> mparillo, seems to be like that
[21:55] <mparillo> Or Octopi
[21:55] <sick_rimmit> Oh wow!!
[21:55] <syntroPi> i like that plain old muon thingy
[21:55] <syntroPi> its neat
[21:56] <sick_rimmit> Gqrx Software Defined Radio receiver..
[21:56] <sick_rimmit> I have an RTL-SDR Dongle here..
[21:57] <syntroPi> sick_rimmit, thats a lot of fun and consumes even more time ;)
[21:58] <sick_rimmit> lol
[21:59] <sick_rimmit> I'm installing it now tee hee :-D
[21:59] <mparillo> Anybody ever use Okular to save fill-in PDFs? Sometimes it works, but for one tax state (grrrr) I need to keep Adobe on MS-Windows.
[22:00] <clivejo> sick_rimmit: are you amateur radio?
[22:00] <syntroPi> sick_rimmit, there is also http://gqrx.dk/ qt for quick fun
[22:00] <VeryBewitching> mparillo: I don't remember ever having an issue doing that.
[22:03] <mparillo> TY. Next tax season, I will try to do a better job of bug reporting, but IIRC Okular is really a wrapper for the same engine pretty much all Linux based PDF readers use.
[22:05] <syntroPi> mparillo, afaik okular saves some annotations and such in an extra file... used it long time ago
[22:05] <bprompt> hmmm    IIRC okular or kde uses libpoppler library, as opposed to what other readers use, I'd say all kde or QT based pdf readers use libpoppler
[22:06] <syntroPi> i just remember renaming the original pdf makes it loose its state
[22:06]  * bprompt uses qpdfview, multi-tab pdf viewer
[22:11] <syntroPi> hmm after installing vbox guest additions 4.3.32 glxinfo says im running llvm pipe...
[22:11] <syntroPi> can i somehow get native performance?
[22:14] <syntroPi> ooh wow after rebooting kdm blings with a white screen every second
[22:14] <syntroPi> not good
[22:15] <syntroPi> maybe its not meant for vbox 4...?
[22:16] <syntroPi> is that even kdm? whats it called?
[22:17] <genii> You might want to make either lightdm or sddm the default instead of kdm
[22:19] <syntroPi> genii, its not kdm its sddm and it seems to be broken now :-/
[22:19] <mparillo> syntroPi: Yes, so when trying to send it back to a Windows user, it becomes a problem. bprompt: Yes, libpoppler rings a bell, and I think that is what evince used.
[22:19] <bprompt> hmm
[22:20] <syntroPi> yay first installation trashed already ... dangit
[22:20] <mparillo> I used evince on Ubuntu before Unity drove me to Kubuntu ;-)
[22:20] <syntroPi> should have made a snapshot before trying to fiddle with the guest additions
[22:22] <bprompt> hehe
[22:22] <th3s3_3y4s> Does the lightdm guest session start another x server?
[22:23] <bprompt> mparillo:   I've used kde apps for a long while, I don't necessarily run kwin though, I run lxde, and run kde as well as qt and gtk apps
[22:27] <syntroPi> i like what im seeing from kubuntu so far, though it seems to be a bit unstable still
[23:16] <AndyMan1> Hi. In Kubuntu 15.10, Kate's Text Filter Plugin appears to still be missing. It looks like a patch was made for this in July: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347243, and I *think* it's there in Kate's source tagged at 15.08: https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kate.git&a=tree&h=dad9965fb5ebcd7f27c7225bdc1b2544fdc96b04&hb=f7e8905912c130399b0195158941f544d565ed62&f=addons%2Ftextfilter Is this an...
[23:16] <AndyMan1> ...oversight for Kubuntu, or is it missing for some other reason?
[23:57] <syntroPi> where does that vboxvideo preinstalled come from? linux-image-extra? cant deinstall that without deinstalling linux-image(-generic)... how do i get rid of vboxvideo.so on a clean install?
[23:58] <syntroPi> i dont want to delete files from packages manually
[23:59] <MichaelP> I use eog in all my kde plasma desktops.... I can grab the edge on all and drag to resize... Eog is missing that in kubuntu...