[00:09] <MACscr> why does it seem like sometimes after kernel/grub updates that the default kernel selection no longer works and i have to press enter? sucks for remote systems
[00:25] <TJ-> That happens if the GRUB 'recordfail' flag is set due to an unclean OS shutdown
[00:25] <MACscr> TJ-: thanks, i will check
[00:26] <qman__> You can disable that functionality in he grub configuration
[00:27] <qman__> It's a relatively new feature that's a pain in the rear
[00:28] <TJ-> recordfail has been around many years :)
[00:35] <MACscr> odd, all the suggestions im finding are old and seem like hacks
[01:49] <roseysdad> i need help
[01:51] <adun153> roseysdad: Just ask, people will answer if they are active and have a helpful answer.
[02:40] <ksx4system> does it make sense to run mail server on VPS with just 256M of ram? 14.04 LTS 32-bit, postfix+dovecot+something to filter spam
[02:46] <sarnold> maybe if it's ssd backed or osmethinng...
[02:46] <sarnold> otherwise feels a bit itght
[02:54] <roseysdad> how can i see what services are running in systemd?
[03:02] <ksx4system> sarnold, pure SSD
[03:03] <ksx4system> and super low volume (never over 50 mails a day, 99% of them under 10 kilobytes)
[03:05] <adun153> ksx4system: It might work, but  I'm still pretty nervous about that, especially if it is to be used for something in production/mission-critical.
[03:07] <ksx4system> adun153, what exactly is that *insanely* resource hungry? the spam filtering part?
[03:08] <ksx4system> (of course I'm going to run postfix/dovecot combo operating without SQL database)
[03:09] <adun153> Ubuntu has never exactly been a "lean" distro, if you know what I mean.
[03:09] <adun153> You can probably run it, but it might have to swap quite a bit, I thin.
[03:09] <adun153> *think.
[03:09] <ksx4system> adun153, if you take some time it can be as light as properly tuned Debian :)
[03:10] <ksx4system> but Ubuntu has longer support cycles (5 years for LTS)
[03:11] <ksx4system> what about 512M? would it help?
[03:11] <adun153> ksx4system: I'd be a lot more comfortable with  512.
[03:12] <ksx4system> this is insane
[03:12] <adun153> ksx4system: But it seems like you have the time, you can set up the 256 instance, try it out, see if your hypothesis is correct.
[03:13] <adun153> You asked us for our opinions, you got it from sarnold and myself. Eventually, it's entirely up to you. :)
[03:13] <ksx4system> adun153, well I have around 3 months until date I have to move
[03:13] <ksx4system> so I can do some proper testing :)
[03:13] <adun153> Sounds good.
[03:14] <ksx4system> webmail is not an issue (hardcore tuned lighttpd + minimal php5 + squirrelmail) I think
[03:14] <ksx4system> this should eat at most 20M
[03:15] <ksx4system> if not less...
[03:15] <ksx4system> what about backup MX? do I need a big (256-512M) VPS too?
[03:18] <adun153> If just running Postfix, I think 256 should be fine.
[03:19] <ksx4system> will 128 do?
[03:19] <ksx4system> (yes, I always try to squeeze stuff as much as possible)
[03:22] <adun153> 128? I don't know. Leaning towards "no".
[03:25] <ksx4system> challenge accepted lol
[03:25] <adun153> lol
[03:25] <adun153> good luck
[03:29] <ksx4system> thanks :)
[03:29] <ksx4system> (I was actually surprised that mail server needs anything over 64M)
[08:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:51] <mripguru> hey guys - anyone here successfully install Ubuntu 12.04 or 14.04 (either LTS) successfully on a Dell C6100 blade server? It will just not install - and the installer is quite slow when it does try and work.
[08:52] <lordievader> mripguru: "It will just not install", do you get errors or something?
[08:53] <mripguru> lordievader: nope - but, most of the operations, etc. take on average a year and a day -- and when it did install earlier on (another blade in the same cluster) - it would boot to a black screen
[08:54] <mripguru> so no - it doesn't technically error
[08:54] <lordievader> mripguru: Hmm, the installer does run?
[08:54] <mripguru> but it doesn't work - either.
[08:55] <mripguru> lordievader: it looks like it's going to install successfully - but, usually just hangs up for awhile
[08:55] <mripguru> like the partitioning stage
[08:55] <lordievader> From the limited shell the installer gives you I'd test the disks and the overall performance of the machine.
[08:55] <mripguru> can take 20-30 min
[08:56] <lordievader> Since what you describe make me think that there is some trouble accessing the disks.
[08:58] <mripguru> bad disks?
[08:58] <lordievader> mripguru: Could be, like I said, test them ;)
[09:05] <mripguru> yup - let's see what another node does
[09:06] <lordievader> ? Why?
[09:06] <lordievader> Test where the problem lies not somewhere else.
[09:09] <kichko> Hey does anybody here tried the openstack-installer on ubuntu server...I'm behind a proxy and the creating of the container works but the initialization of the container fails...I'm 100% sure that there has to be some additional proxy-setting that I might have missed
[09:10] <mripguru> lordievader: I want to see if another node has the same behavior
[09:10] <mripguru> for comparison.
[09:11] <kichko> the command.log says  error.py:35] showing error view for: Top-level container OS did not initialize correctly.
[09:13] <kichko> while initializing it seems like that the deb repositories are not available but I check them manually they are up.
[09:44] <mripguru> lordievader: I think you may be onto something - but, I don't think it's the actual disks.
[09:44] <lordievader> mripguru: What did you find?
[09:45] <mripguru> lordievader: just for the hell of it - I'm installing XenServer - which does not support FakeRAID
[09:45] <mripguru> and it seems to be installing just fine.
[09:45] <lordievader> mripguru: Why not start with some basic dd tests to check the disk speeds?
[09:45] <mripguru> so looks like the issue may actually be in the FakeRAID
[09:46] <mripguru> lordievader: can do that - but, I know the disks are fine (more or less)
[09:46] <lordievader> Oh that can be, but perhaps there is something blocking Ubuntu from achieving the full disk speed (then you know why it is so slow ;) )
[09:48] <mripguru> lordievader: sounds like I should try turning off the FakeRAID and just building a true software RAID setup?
[09:49] <mripguru> (after running some disk tests)
[09:49] <lordievader> That is not what I am saying, I am saying you need to form a hypothesis then gather some data to see if it is correct.
[09:49] <lordievader> Only then you can think of a solution.
[09:50] <lordievader> Just doing things without reason is rather futile.
[09:51] <mripguru> lordievader: agreed
[09:55] <mripguru> lordievader: at this point - all roads lead either to the FakeRAID or the disks themselves - need to isolate each
[09:55] <lordievader> mripguru: Exactly ;)
[10:42] <mripguru> lordievader: I suspect part of the slowness may actually be the fact that I'm trying to install over IPMI/DRAC
[10:43] <lordievader> SOL IPMI?
[10:43] <mripguru> lordievader: no - some bastardized version of Supermicro IPMI
[10:44] <lordievader> SOL = Serial Over Lan ;)
[10:44] <mripguru> not serial
[10:44] <mripguru> full graphical UI
[10:44] <lordievader> Hmm.. Not sure. What kind of speeds does dd show?
[10:47] <dannysmc95> Hello, I am having some trouble with mysql? I can't seem to connect to it from my client on my computer, I use the IP and the 3306 port and it just errors, it says communication link failure (I am using DBBeaver), any help would be awesome, it says in the /var/log/mysql/error.log that it is ready to be connected to... but nothing? its enabled in my firewall so what can I do?
[10:48] <bekks> dannysmc95: Is your mysql server listening on a port or a socket?
[10:48] <dannysmc95> bekks how would I find out?
[10:49] <bekks> By looking at your config file.
[10:49] <dannysmc95> [mysqld] ?
[10:50] <dannysmc95> bekks: it says socket = /var.run.mysqld.sock and port = 3306 under that
[10:50] <bekks> dannysmc95: But there is no IP address configured to listen on?
[10:51] <dannysmc95> It uses bind-address = 127.0.0.1
[10:52] <bekks> So it is listening on localhost Port 3306
[10:52] <bekks> Is 127.0.0.1 the IP you are trying to connect to?
[10:52] <dannysmc95> No I am external so using the servers IP
[10:52] <bekks> Your mysql server isnt listening on that IP.
[10:53] <dannysmc95> Okay but if I remove that IP would it not stop localhost access?
[10:54] <dannysmc95> ?
[10:55] <bekks> 0.0.0.0 will make it listen on all address, a.b.c.d (your external IP) will make it listen on that IP only, 127.0.0.1 makes it listen on localhost only.
[10:56] <dannysmc95> Okay so I should set bind-address to 0.0.0.0
[10:56] <bekks> Only if you need to access it from localhost, too.
[10:57] <dannysmc95> Yeah I would do, so I can use php?
[10:57] <bekks> you can use php using the socket, too.
[10:58] <bekks> But 0.0.0.0 should be fine.
[10:58] <dannysmc95> bekks: access denied?
[10:58] <bekks> dannysmc95: Is that a question?
[10:59] <dannysmc95> bekks: yeah its the correct user and password...?
[10:59] <bekks> Did you restart the mysql server after changing the config?
[10:59] <dannysmc95> yeah
[10:59] <bekks> Then your credentials arent correct.
[10:59] <dannysmc95> It works via CLI
[11:00] <dannysmc95> same password and same user, works my doing mysql -u <user> -p and then typing password?
[11:00] <bekks> Nope.
[11:00] <bekks> mysql -u user -p password -h host
[11:01] <dannysmc95> Eh? I am saying when connected to SSH to my server it works by doing the command above and works fine? but when I am trying to connect from a client on my pc here it doesn;t? do I need to allow the host?
[11:03] <lordievader> Sounds like a firewall is doing its job. You don't want you sql server exposed to the internet.
[11:03] <bekks> So if it works on your host, thats fine. Now you need to configure your server to allow connections from your client.
[11:04] <dannysmc95> bekks: how exactly do I do that? I am very new to having a server?
[11:05] <bekks> dannysmc95: I dont know how/what you did on your server to inhibit connections from your client.
[11:05] <dannysmc95> bekks: neither do I...
[11:07] <dannysmc95> I did the grant all on command in mysql via ssh but it says 0 rows affected?
[11:08] <dannysmc95> GOT IT
[11:09] <dannysmc95> Thanks for the walkthrough, I needed to permit my host name
[11:09] <dannysmc95> allow*
[11:16] <Mooslapke> Anyone can help me with git? I am trying to let other people connect to my server securely
[11:16] <Mooslapke> I think best with keys?
[13:00] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: A friend from uni just messaged me with a question about OpenERP. /o\
[13:00] <mripguru> ERP :P
[13:02] <xnox> Odd_Bloke: =))))))))))
[13:02] <xnox> ccccccegjekvhffrubfiujluhejujredutkbfbfbdrvi
[13:02] <xnox> sigh
[13:03]  * mripguru hates being the local 'IT guy'
[13:03] <xnox> Odd_Bloke: did you say: Oh dooo ask someone else?
[13:03] <xnox> =)
[13:03] <xnox> https://www.odoo.com/
[13:04] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: <3
[13:05] <Odd_Bloke> mripguru: In their defence, I (and xnox) did work for a company that developed OpenERP plugins about 5 years ago.
[13:05] <xnox> gosh, has it been that long already?!
[13:05] <mripguru> that's not a defense - that's an excuse.
[13:05] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: Maybe... 4?
[13:05] <Odd_Bloke> *checks CV*
[13:05] <xnox> Odd_Bloke: i bet tinyerp modules are still valid in odoo
[13:06] <xnox> Odd_Bloke: i started in 2011 i think, and you must have been there before.
[13:06] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: I can only assume you're trying to make me angry. :p
[13:06] <xnox> so in february it will be 5 years for me.
[13:06] <Odd_Bloke> xnox: I left July 2011, I think.
[13:38] <thresh> hi. anyone using packer to provision ubuntu 15.10 machines?
[13:39] <RoyK> are you using 15.10 on servers?
[13:39] <thresh> I'm trying to provision a server machine, yes.
[13:40] <RoyK> I hope this is not for production - it was released yesterday...
[13:40] <thresh> indeed :-)
[13:40] <RoyK> and isn't LTS
[13:40] <RoyK> and ...
[13:40] <RoyK> oh well
[13:40] <thresh> This is for a buildbot / build farm.  We're providing nginx.org packages built for different OSes.
[13:41] <RoyK> ic
[13:41] <teward|live> thresh: let me guess - the nginx.org repo?  ;)
[13:41] <thresh> :P
[13:41] <thresh> yes
[13:41]  * teward|live whistles nonchalantly then throws the idea of sbuild out there
[13:42] <thresh> teward|live: last time I checked it could not build stuff on centos and sles :-)
[13:42] <teward|live> thresh: no, it can't, i meant specifically for your Ubuntu/Debian builds
[13:42] <teward|live> thresh: granted, though, if you're doing builds on individual 'machines', even virtual, i
[13:42] <teward|live> i'm left scratching my head as to why
[13:43] <teward|live> but that's my opinion :)
[13:43] <thresh> the idea is to have prebuilt images for all OSes we support and do builds in a clean env every time
[13:43] <teward|live> (that's what sbuild does *cough cough*
[13:43] <teward|live> )
[13:43] <thresh> and on the real kernel
[13:43] <teward|live> ah
[13:44] <teward|live> 'kay then :)
[13:44]  * teward|live silently disappears back into the shadows
[13:44] <thresh> anyhow, there is a problem with packer and ubuntu 15.10 (while the exactly same config works for 15.04), so I'm kinda puzzled here.
[14:39] <thresh> uh, looks like whenever I launch ubuntu 15.10 server cd install, providing options in the console UI (clicking escape, escape, enter from main grub UI) with "boot: " gets me back to grub...
[14:45] <thresh> nice, and 15.04 does exactly the right thing when I type in "/install/vmlinuz  auto initrd=/install/initrd.gz" -- it tries to boot up the installer..
[14:45] <thresh> can anyone confirm that?
[14:45] <thresh> that's using http://releases.ubuntu.com/15.10/ubuntu-15.10-server-amd64.iso
[15:09] <RoyK> thresh: sounds like grub wasn't installed correctly
[15:10] <thresh> RoyK: "installed" on a CD you mean?
[15:10] <thresh> this is when I boot the CD up.
[15:10] <RoyK> oh
[15:10] <RoyK> no, haven't seen that
[15:12] <RoyK> thresh: actually, I don't think I've _ever_ seen that from a cd boot, but then, I've only used linux for 20 years or so ;)
[15:13] <thresh> well me neither and that's what's happening with 15.10 server isos (both i386 and amd64)
[15:13] <RoyK> thresh: I'm install 15.10 in a VM as we speak
[15:18] <thresh> RoyK: can you try this: https://gist.github.com/thresheek/82a67847b5308be5b9df ?
[15:18] <thresh> those the instructions to reproduce what I have
[15:25] <RoyK> thresh: why do you try to leave the installer in the installer?
[15:41] <thresh> RoyK: I want to provide a preseed configuration file.
[15:41] <TJ-> thresh: can you edit the existing command-line using F6, where a preseed is already listed?
[15:47] <thresh> TJ-: that works even if I remove all the parameters except "initrd=/install/initrd.gz" there and hit enter there.
[16:04] <TJ-> thresh: I see the same thing here in a VM; what is weird is "boot: xxxxx" then Enter shows "Loading image...". I cannot find where it gets the word 'image' from; the linux.c32 code uses "Loading %s\n", kernel_name which should show xxxxx
[16:04] <TJ-> thresh: also, if i repeat it several times iso/syslinux reports "Out of memory" apparently indicating it does manage to load the kernel image into RAM (using  1GB VM)
[16:06] <thresh> interesting. :/
[16:39] <vertago1_> Samba user authentication seems to be broken after upgrading to 15.10
[17:25] <RoyK> vertago1_: what sort of authentication are you using?
[18:22] <jonah_> hi can anyone please help. I'm trying to setup ubuntu 14.04 with a raid 10 using the ubuntu installer - so far i've just made a right mess of it each attempt! I followed the UrbanPenguin youtube video but he only does raid one and he uses an older version of ubuntu too so the guide just hasn't worked for me
[18:22] <jonah_> any help really appreciated.
[18:22] <jonah_> got a bootable usb with ubuntu server 14.04.3 on
[18:22] <jonah_> and also got a bootable gparted usb
[18:22] <jonah_> I'd hoped between the two it would work
[18:23] <lownin> I'm running ubuntu server 15.04 on my home server.  After doing apt-get dist-upgrade, this happens when I try to boot - http://imgur.com/a/20zFG
[18:23] <lownin> It seems to be failing to boot with Ubuntu Kernel 3.19.0-31 and if I interupt grub during boot and select 3.19.0.15, my system boots just fine without the above errors.  Anyone have any ideas where I should even start with this?  Thanks!
[18:23] <sarnold> jonah_: there's some information on the installer's raid stuff here https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/advanced-installation.html
[18:25] <jonah_> sarnold: thanks this looks very similar to the youtube I followed. both mention the option of Primary drives being selectable but I had no option for Primary in 14.04...
[18:26] <jonah_> sarnold: i'll try follow the guide you've linked and just see if it is any different or works better than the youtube one. I get all the system installed etc but it just fails at the end and can't install grub, also I don't know what path i'm supposed to enter for grub...
[18:27] <jonah_> sarnold: the other problem I had when partitioning with the installer live usb is it wouldn't let me set the partitions as 'bootable' when I pressed enter to change it to bootable nothing happens. very weird
[18:28] <sarnold> lownin: you might try #ubuntu-kernel, or file a bug against the 'linux' package
[18:29] <sarnold> lownin: that second photo showing  failing to bring the cpus online is really something else..
[18:29] <lownin> sarnold: thanks, I'll repost in #ubuntu-kernel
[18:29] <lownin> sarnold: I agree.
[18:29] <sarnold> jonah_: iirc you're only allowed four primary partitions with old-style formatting, not sure about the new GPT format..
[18:32] <jonah_> sarnold: i only have four drives, so i'd just made 4 swaps partitions (1 on each drive) and 4 root partitions. then just installed at that but it didn't like it!
[18:35] <patdk-wk> the question is, how should you use those 4 :)
[18:35] <patdk-wk> raid0? raid1?
[18:36] <patdk-wk> jonah_, did you use mbr or gpt?
[18:37] <patdk-wk> gpt requires you make additional boot areas for grub
[18:39] <lownin> sarnold: #ubuntu-kernel isn't very active, is it?
[18:40] <sarnold> lownin: it may not be, I have to admit I've never used it.. but the topic looks kept up to date...
[18:41] <lownin> sarnold: I was reading through their channel logs, and there are entire days where no one says anything.
[18:42] <sarnold> must be nice :) haha
[18:42] <lownin> =p
[18:55] <jonah_> patdk-wk: sorry trying to do raid10
[19:01] <jonah_> just trying now with a 3rd raid volume which I've got a efi boot area set for each sda3 sdb3 sdc3 sdd3 etc...
[19:01] <jonah_> no idea if that will work!
[19:01] <jonah_> but at least it gives that a B for bootable label...
[19:07] <maserati> I'm having issues updating my server, not sure what to do - http://dpaste.com/0JFQG68   if anyone has time to take a look, ty
[19:08] <jge> hey guys, could someone confirm if ubuntu supports automatic daylight savings time when using NTPD?
[19:09] <thresh> ntpd is unrelated to daylight savings.  you need to have proper TZ file installed.
[19:10] <jrwren> jge: i can confirm.
[19:11] <sarnold> maserati: try again after an apt-get update?
[19:12] <maserati> sarnold: i did =[  same result
[19:15] <jge> jrwren: thanks
[19:15] <sarnold> maserati: hmm, I wonder if something changed that might require apt-get dist-upgrade?
[19:15] <sarnold> maserati: it's been ages since I've seen this kind of thing.. If it were mine, I think I'd delete the package lists and packages from /var/cache/apt/ and maybe clear any apt proxies you might be using, too, re-do the apt-get update, then try the apt-get upgrade again
[19:16] <sarnold> maserati: another approach is to try to apt-get purge those two packages, making sure you don't actually delete the installed kernel packages, then try re-installing them..
[19:18] <maserati> sarnold: Just tried option 1 there, same thing. trying option 2
[21:04] <bernierunns> Anyone want to help a guy figure out what the errors I am getting mean?
[21:06] <teward> bernierunns: it always helps to just state what problems you're seeing and wait for someone to help
[21:06] <teward> rather than just ask if anyone wants to help
[21:06] <NegativeFlare_> heh
[21:08] <bernierunns> ok Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:08] <bernierunns>  linux-image-generic-lts-utopic
[21:09] <bernierunns> among five other errors
[21:20] <bernierunns> What can I do about missing partition tables? I get an error when I boot the server that I have missing partition tables and it then asks to skip the mount or fix manually.
[21:20] <bernierunns> I just skip it because i have no idea how to fix this issue.
[21:21] <rattking> if the partition table is suppose to be missing then you should remove that entry from /etc/fstab.. this will remove that prompt
[21:24] <bernierunns> OK, how do i display drive info so I can see whats going on with my drives? I'm fairly new to command line stuff.
[21:25] <rattking> 'blkid' 'cat /proc/partitions' and 'df' will give some ideas
[21:25] <bernierunns> ok, I'm checking that out now
[21:27] <rattking> but it should have complained about the missing device at boot
[21:27] <bernierunns> Could it be that I don't have an external drive configured to mount at boot?
[21:28] <thresh> huh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1505839
[21:29] <rattking> its more likely there is a external drive configured to mount at boot that is either not attached or has been formatted so the UUID doesnt match whats in /etc/fstab
[21:31] <bernierunns> OK, that makes sense, I can edit that info in vi right?
[21:31] <rattking> yes, with sudo or as root