[02:22] <Unknown_User> Kubuntu 15.10 fails to accept nr_inodes=0 as a valid tmpfs mount option, but Kubuntu 15.04 *and* my Gentoo systems running a 4.2 and 4.0 kernel accept the option. Is this the wrong place to complain about this issue?
[02:23] <Unknown_User> (The Linux kernel tmpfs documentation has declared nr_inodes=0 to be a valid option for *ages*.)
[03:03] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: https://kubuntu.org/news/jonathan-riddell-stands-down-as-release-manager-of-kubuntu
[03:42] <belos> who did I meet today at SeaGL?
[08:19] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:19] <lordievader> belos: valorie or sgclark perhaps? Thought they went there.
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[12:05] <amichair> do you guys know about the bug in the 15.10 upgrade installer? It seems to crash (python GUI exception) when it encounters modified configuration files, something like that
[12:28] <BluesKaj> hey all
[15:39] <belos> lordievader: yes that sounds right
[15:40] <belos> valorie / sgclark: hi :)
[15:40] <lordievader> ;)
[20:19] <MichaelTunnell> hello, how do I make a feature request for a future release of Kubuntu? There is a feature in KDE that used to exist but a developer decided to remove it just because he doesn't like it. He also refuses to listen to anyone about putting it back and just tells people to contact their distros. Anyway, how can I request that a KWin feature be put into Kubuntu?
[20:25] <soee> wat feature ?
[20:25] <MichaelTunnell> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321190
[20:25] <ubottu> KDE bug 321190 in effects-window-management "Please re-add mousebutton to close windows in Present Windows" [Wishlist,Resolved: wontfix]
[20:26] <MichaelTunnell> essentially the ability to close windows with middle click in present windows
[20:27] <MichaelTunnell> his only reason he ever provided was "it's destructive" and of course it is because that is the point. He then said this and I don't see how anyone could pretend this is a good point "So yes you configured it, but what if a friend who doesn't know about it uses your computer?"
[20:27] <MichaelTunnell> the long thread eventually ended with him telling people he doesnt care what you think and even if the KDE Design Group told him to put it back he would only consider it
[20:31] <soee> ah the discussion was with Martin, i'm sure he hasd good reasons to remove it
[20:32] <soee> i doub't Kubuntu will reimplement it, but kwin is extensible through plugins so if someone create one, than you should just be able to install it
[20:32] <MichaelTunnell> I told you the reasons he gave
[20:32] <MichaelTunnell> "So yes you configured it, but what if a friend who doesn't know about it uses your computer?"
[20:34] <MichaelTunnell> Martin's reasons were incredibly poor and he refused to address the fact that the feature was "Only on for people who chose it." He pretended it hurt people even though no one would use it if they didn't want it.
[20:34] <MichaelTunnell> and if they did turn it on, closed something to realize they don't want it anymore, they just go back and turn it off. Problem solved
[20:35] <MichaelTunnell> the removal of it is baseless and absurd
[20:35] <soee> MichaelTunnell: ok i know, but as i said i doubt Kubuntu will reimplement it. Also remember that Plasma developers decided to mak ePlasma 5 more clear = some features were removed (like virtual desktops) and people just need to accept it
[20:36] <soee> it maks some people angry but remember it is a free software and you can't expect that devs will what users want :)
[20:36] <soee> i think there should be some site were users could vote for some features
[20:36] <soee> and the one most requeted could be implemented
[20:36] <MichaelTunnell> accepting of cleaning experience is fine but removal of something that affects no one except those who want it is appalling and he did it before Plasma 5 was started. This is a very old bug report.
[20:37] <MichaelTunnell> yea that would be a nice site to have voting for features would be great
[20:37] <soee> MichaelTunnell: wait till mondat and i'm try to convinve other devs to bring it back if you think it is som important
[20:37] <soee> catch them on #plasma
[20:37] <MichaelTunnell> so wait a second, Plasma 5 doesn't have virtual desktops? KDE DOES WHAAAT?!
[20:37] <soee> marting also sists there often
[20:38] <soee> MichaelTunnell: sory i was thinking about different wallpapers for each VD
[20:39] <MichaelTunnell> its not an issue of it being important, it is an issue of it being useful to those who want it and hurtful to no one. Martin made a trash decision in removing it and his refusal to even discuss it is appalling.
[20:39] <MichaelTunnell> soee: lol ok that was confusing for a second
[20:40] <soee> MichaelTunnell: i think we can't do here more, as i said you can try to talk with other devs :-) maybe they can have some influance on Martin if you convince them
[20:40] <MichaelTunnell> yea the different wallpaper thing is not a big deal and doesn't provide any usability benefits or negativity with removal
[20:40] <MichaelTunnell> is fuchs a dev?
[20:40] <soee> fuchs ?
[20:42] <MichaelTunnell> thats a username on the thread and I've seen it in many other places, just curious if you knew but sounds like you dont know so no worries :)
[20:43] <MichaelTunnell> I will certainly bring it up to the other developers in plasma then because it is not about the feature exactly at this point, more Martin's stubbornness and attitude. He seriously said in the thread that he knows whats best for users more than they do.
[20:43] <MichaelTunnell> Homey Dont Play Dat
[20:44] <MichaelTunnell> thats a very old In Living Color reference by the way :)
[21:08] <murthy> ffmpegthumbs are not detected by dolphin. I read in a forum that ffmpegthumbs master merged with the latest update branch.  I compiled from master and it also didn't work. what should be my next step
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