[08:09] <knome> hah
[10:59] <ochosi> morning all
[11:00] <flocculant> morning ochosi 
[11:00] <ochosi> how's everything?
[11:00] <flocculant> pretty weekendy :P
[11:01] <ochosi> :]
[11:03] <flocculant> you? 
[11:04] <ochosi> in between having a day off and actually working on stuff :)
[11:04] <ochosi> interesting feeling i haven't had for a while
[11:04] <ochosi> atm i'm hacking on LO a bit
[11:05] <ochosi> (realizing how long it takes to build, even if it's an incremental build with ccache)
[11:05] <flocculant> :)
[11:05] <ochosi> so hopefully i'll get us some tiny improvements today
[11:05] <ochosi> but yeah, no promises ;)
[11:06] <flocculant> I've got a check of all the testcases done now - so they should be ready soon to start pushing that 
[11:06] <ochosi> cool
[11:07] <flocculant> probably going to not do so much iso calling this cycle unless there's a reason - still hoping that the autotest effort will work
[11:07] <flocculant> apart from milestones 
[11:07] <ochosi> yeah, now that i'm actually using jenkins at work i'm more and more convinced that we need to make use of it
[11:08] <flocculant> ochosi: well - the reason we aren't is because it doesn't actually work atm :p
[11:11] <ochosi> yeah, i guess we'd need to write unit tests for our apps
[11:12] <flocculant> oh right
[11:12] <flocculant> I see 
[11:12] <flocculant> THAT again :p
[11:12] <ochosi> then things could be tested automatically and you'd see with each build whether everything still works
[11:12] <flocculant> we stopped because gtk2 mostly
[11:12] <ochosi> but since there are no unit tests in xfce, we're pretty much on our own there
[11:12] <knome> fortunately we can also upstream stuff and help xfce
[11:12] <flocculant> instrospection fails with gtk2 apparently 
[11:13] <ochosi> yeah, tbh i haven't looked at autopilot
[11:13] <ochosi> knome: sure, but then again it also needs to be ported to gtk3 (and it's not like xfce things break all the time and we *desperately* need unit tests)
[11:13] <knome> :)
[11:13] <ochosi> so it's a question of priorities imo
[11:19] <slickymaster> !team ! the xenial branch for the docs is created and the development focus is changed to the new branch
[11:19] <slickymaster> !team | the xenial branch for the docs is created and the development focus is changed to the new branch
[11:19] <knome> ahhah
[11:19] <slickymaster> don't laugh knome 
[11:19] <knome> :X
[11:19] <slickymaster> just got home, without sleeping :P
[11:20] <slickymaster> knome, want to check it, please?
[11:20] <slickymaster> just to make sure everything is alright
[11:20] <knome> ok ok :P
[11:21] <flocculant> why's there a utopic at https://code.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs ?
[11:23] <knome> slickymaster, should be set now
[11:23] <knome> flocculant, for your viewing pleasure, sir
[11:24] <knome> flocculant, fixed
[11:24] <slickymaster> teah, you beat me to it knome 
[11:24] <knome> of course
[11:24] <slickymaster> lol
[11:34] <flocculant> sad - miss it already :p
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[12:38] <bluesabre> morning all
[12:38] <bluesabre> dkessel, knome: I agree that we should refresh the community wallpapers for xenial
[12:38] <bluesabre> announcing that early might help get better ones in the long run
[12:39] <bluesabre> I feel like we started that a bit late in trusty, maybe not
[12:39] <Unit193> Except all the effort, of course. :P
[12:39] <bluesabre> well yeah
[12:39] <bluesabre> we can also have more people in the team help narrow it down
[12:41] <bluesabre> I don't remember how we submitted them before, but I can help with submission/comparison tools
[12:41] <Unit193> I remember embedding the copyright info into each image.
[12:42] <bluesabre> so we create some web tools that require that information on submission
[12:42] <Unit193> Overkill?
[12:42] <bluesabre> maybe
[12:42] <bluesabre> somebody else (elementary maybe) might already have such a tool
[12:45] <bluesabre> maybe I'll crank something like that out one weekend and toss it up on my github
[12:46] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[12:46] <bluesabre> hey ochosi 
[12:46] <ochosi> well, tbh the community wallpapers are something at least i personally don't want tobe responsible for
[12:47] <ochosi> if even a project like ubuntu only gets 40 submissions per cycle, you can imagine how many we will get
[12:47] <ochosi> and the last time the percentage of good submissions that were not triggered by us (or me) getting in touch directly with artists was extremely low
[12:47] <bluesabre> right
[12:48] <ochosi> so basically our current set is the result of me contacting artists...
[12:48] <ochosi> that was what made it laborious
[12:48] <bluesabre> so we improve the submission process so post-submission contacts are reduced
[12:48] <ochosi> and another caveat is that if we announce a contest we should really put some contenders in the final image
[12:48] <ochosi> but what if the submissions are not good..?
[12:49] <ochosi> but yeah, those are my 2cents on this
[12:49] <bluesabre> we include the existing ones in the competition
[12:49] <ochosi> if somebody else is motivated to take it on, i'm all for it
[12:49] <bluesabre> otherwise the community wallpapers are just the community wallpapers from years ago
[12:49] <ochosi> and yeah, naturally i agree, they should be refreshed
[12:49] <bluesabre> and thats lame :D
[12:49] <ochosi> right
[12:50] <bluesabre> just a few thoughts on it, I'll leave it be now :)
[16:09] <flocculant> bluesabre: tags - possibly a case of too many options - but we have xubuntu-exp as the base tag, ppa for things reported obviously - maybe add usability - that perhaps we could add to a report once reported *idea* 
[16:10] <flocculant> also can we get staging xenial ppa 
[16:11] <flocculant> Unit193: not sure what you think about the things in extra - but that could do with xenial too - I at least use xfdashboard a bit 
[17:19] <bluesabre> bluesabre: will take a look at updating the PPAs today
[17:20] <bluesabre> somehow, I would argue the expected behavior described here would not be the expected behavior, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1509805
[17:20] <bluesabre> :\
[17:24] <flocculant> I would expect left click drag - not sure why I would ever expect right click - unless I had swapped mouse buttons - to do more than give me a menu
[17:25] <flocculant> nor have I ever seen a menu while dragging 
[17:26] <bluesabre> yup
[17:27] <bluesabre> thats not normal usability
[17:27] <flocculant> bluesabre has six months of these bugs to come :p
[17:27] <bluesabre> flocculant: yay
[17:27] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea - totally agreed 
[17:27] <flocculant> and that :p
[17:28]  * bluesabre looks forward to responding to lots of bug reports
[17:28] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbabl
[17:50] <dkessel> b
[18:31] <Unit193> flocculant: Yeah I was going to bump the ones in extra.
[18:38] <flocculant> Unit193: k - I did kind of assume you would be :)
[18:47] <Unit193> !info xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
[18:47] <Unit193> !info xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin xenial
[18:52] <Unit193> flocculant: Anywho, important ones done.
[19:58] <flocculant> Unit193: cheers 
[20:09] <dkessel> mhh. in wily, when locking the screen for a while, i get this window prompting me for my user credentials because i would want my own user data... which i do not want :p
[20:10] <dkessel> the "details" say: action: org.freedesktop.accounts.change-own-user-data