[08:09] hah [10:59] morning all [11:00] morning ochosi [11:00] how's everything? [11:00] pretty weekendy :P [11:01] :] [11:03] you? [11:04] in between having a day off and actually working on stuff :) [11:04] interesting feeling i haven't had for a while [11:04] atm i'm hacking on LO a bit [11:05] (realizing how long it takes to build, even if it's an incremental build with ccache) [11:05] :) [11:05] so hopefully i'll get us some tiny improvements today [11:05] but yeah, no promises ;) [11:06] I've got a check of all the testcases done now - so they should be ready soon to start pushing that [11:06] cool [11:07] probably going to not do so much iso calling this cycle unless there's a reason - still hoping that the autotest effort will work [11:07] apart from milestones [11:07] yeah, now that i'm actually using jenkins at work i'm more and more convinced that we need to make use of it [11:08] ochosi: well - the reason we aren't is because it doesn't actually work atm :p [11:11] yeah, i guess we'd need to write unit tests for our apps [11:12] oh right [11:12] I see [11:12] THAT again :p [11:12] then things could be tested automatically and you'd see with each build whether everything still works [11:12] we stopped because gtk2 mostly [11:12] but since there are no unit tests in xfce, we're pretty much on our own there [11:12] fortunately we can also upstream stuff and help xfce [11:12] instrospection fails with gtk2 apparently [11:13] yeah, tbh i haven't looked at autopilot [11:13] knome: sure, but then again it also needs to be ported to gtk3 (and it's not like xfce things break all the time and we *desperately* need unit tests) [11:13] :) [11:13] so it's a question of priorities imo [11:19] !team ! the xenial branch for the docs is created and the development focus is changed to the new branch [11:19] slickymaster: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [11:19] !team | the xenial branch for the docs is created and the development focus is changed to the new branch [11:19] the xenial branch for the docs is created and the development focus is changed to the new branch: bluesabre, dkessel, flocculant, jjfrv8, knome, krytarik, lderan, micahg, Noskcaj, ochosi, pleia2, slickymaster, Unit193 [11:19] ahhah [11:19] don't laugh knome [11:19] :X [11:19] just got home, without sleeping :P [11:20] knome, want to check it, please? [11:20] just to make sure everything is alright [11:20] ok ok :P [11:21] why's there a utopic at https://code.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs ? [11:23] slickymaster, should be set now [11:23] flocculant, for your viewing pleasure, sir [11:24] flocculant, fixed [11:24] teah, you beat me to it knome [11:24] of course [11:24] lol [11:34] sad - miss it already :p [11:42] feed xubuntu-docs had 16 updates, showing the latest 3 [12:38] morning all [12:38] dkessel, knome: I agree that we should refresh the community wallpapers for xenial [12:38] announcing that early might help get better ones in the long run [12:39] I feel like we started that a bit late in trusty, maybe not [12:39] Except all the effort, of course. :P [12:39] well yeah [12:39] we can also have more people in the team help narrow it down [12:41] I don't remember how we submitted them before, but I can help with submission/comparison tools [12:41] I remember embedding the copyright info into each image. [12:42] so we create some web tools that require that information on submission [12:42] Overkill? [12:42] maybe [12:42] somebody else (elementary maybe) might already have such a tool [12:45] maybe I'll crank something like that out one weekend and toss it up on my github [12:46] hey bluesabre [12:46] hey ochosi [12:46] well, tbh the community wallpapers are something at least i personally don't want tobe responsible for [12:47] if even a project like ubuntu only gets 40 submissions per cycle, you can imagine how many we will get [12:47] and the last time the percentage of good submissions that were not triggered by us (or me) getting in touch directly with artists was extremely low [12:47] right [12:48] so basically our current set is the result of me contacting artists... [12:48] that was what made it laborious [12:48] so we improve the submission process so post-submission contacts are reduced [12:48] and another caveat is that if we announce a contest we should really put some contenders in the final image [12:48] but what if the submissions are not good..? [12:49] but yeah, those are my 2cents on this [12:49] we include the existing ones in the competition [12:49] if somebody else is motivated to take it on, i'm all for it [12:49] otherwise the community wallpapers are just the community wallpapers from years ago [12:49] and yeah, naturally i agree, they should be refreshed [12:49] and thats lame :D [12:49] right [12:50] just a few thoughts on it, I'll leave it be now :) [16:09] bluesabre: tags - possibly a case of too many options - but we have xubuntu-exp as the base tag, ppa for things reported obviously - maybe add usability - that perhaps we could add to a report once reported *idea* [16:10] also can we get staging xenial ppa [16:11] Unit193: not sure what you think about the things in extra - but that could do with xenial too - I at least use xfdashboard a bit [17:19] bluesabre: will take a look at updating the PPAs today [17:20] somehow, I would argue the expected behavior described here would not be the expected behavior, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1509805 [17:20] Launchpad bug 1509805 in thunar (Ubuntu) "right click drag&drop menu's missing" [Undecided,New] [17:20] :\ [17:24] I would expect left click drag - not sure why I would ever expect right click - unless I had swapped mouse buttons - to do more than give me a menu [17:25] nor have I ever seen a menu while dragging [17:26] yup [17:27] thats not normal usability [17:27] bluesabre has six months of these bugs to come :p [17:27] flocculant: yay [17:27] bluesabre: yea - totally agreed [17:27] and that :p [17:28] * bluesabre looks forward to responding to lots of bug reports [17:28] gotta run, bbabl [17:50] b [18:31] flocculant: Yeah I was going to bump the ones in extra. [18:38] Unit193: k - I did kind of assume you would be :) [18:47] !info xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin [18:47] Package xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin does not exist in wily [18:47] !info xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin xenial [18:47] 'xenial' is not a valid distribution: kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, utopic, utopic-backports, utopic-proposed, vivid, vivid-backports, vivid-proposed, wily, wily-backports, wily-proposed [18:52] flocculant: Anywho, important ones done. [19:58] Unit193: cheers [20:09] mhh. in wily, when locking the screen for a while, i get this window prompting me for my user credentials because i would want my own user data... which i do not want :p [20:10] the "details" say: action: org.freedesktop.accounts.change-own-user-data