=== balloons is now known as Guest90681 [07:27] good morning [08:03] hey dholbach [08:03] hi philipballew [08:18] dholbach, up to anything exciting these days? [08:19] Morning o/ [08:19] salut dpm, salut davidcalle [08:19] hey all [08:19] philipballew, I'm in the middle of a patch pilot session :) [08:19] Hey dholbach, nice weekend? [08:20] davidcalle, ubucon was fantastic [08:20] well organised and meeting up with the ubuntu crowd was great [08:20] I've seen the pics, yeah :) Looking forward to the parisian one as well. [08:22] \o/ [08:24] dpm, did you get back home all right? [08:27] dholbach, yeah, all good. No changing of trains made it for an uneventful trip :) [08:27] so many ubucons. That seems like fun for everyone! [08:27] yeah :) [08:28] dholbach, the patch pilot thing seems like both hard, but rewarding work [08:29] I like it - you get to see a lot of work from new contributors first hand [08:29] davidcalle, how was your weekend? :) [08:47] dholbach, quite nice, went to the beach :) Except last night, Estelle and I drove from 8pm to 5am, asleep at 6, Tristan was done with his night at 8. Now, I'm trying not to overdose on coffee :D [08:47] * dholbach hugs davidcalle [08:48] It's fine actually, my screen is *bright* though [08:49] dholbach, on snappy -not duc- things, anything not needing engineering input? [08:51] davidcalle, I think it's just the ones marked as yellow which need engineering input [08:52] Indeed, my bad [08:55] * dholbach hugs davidcalle [09:03] \o/ [09:07] dpm, dholbach how was ubucon? [09:07] awesome [09:07] well organised [09:08] lots of fun [09:08] and good to see all the German/Berlin Ubuntu folks again [09:08] I liked the session about planning Ubucon Europe a lot [09:08] I'm looking forward to that one already :) [09:09] yeah, it was just fantastic [09:09] Excellent! [09:10] with all that's going on around Ubuntu, it was really reinvigorating to see the passion the German team put in organizing the event [09:10] and it was really great to hang out with them too [09:14] dpm, any chance I can steal some of your slides for oggcamp this weekend :) [09:15] also, dholbach did you end up talking about snappy? [09:15] yep, together with svij and ogra :) [09:15] popey, sure [09:18] dpm, did you manage to get any kind of convergence demo going? [09:20] popey, unfortunately not :( I got the desktop mode enabled on my nexus 4 with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, but the hdmi output never worked: it did show something on the projector, but was just an Ubuntu background image with a progress bar (the same one you get on boot) [09:20] you might be luckier if silo 22 lands this week [09:21] heh, i expect a last minute demo being cobbled together in the car on the way there if it lands as late as thursday :) [09:21] :) [09:21] * popey will not be driving :) [09:22] oh, we nudged over 2000 clicks in the store http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph_clicks.png [09:22] nice! [09:22] popey, also, you might want to try with the nexus 7 as well, perhaps it works better there [09:22] ah, cool [09:22] yeah, will poke the landing team to see when 22 will land [09:22] popey, btw dholbach and I had some fun times trying your music app snap :) [09:23] well, mostly dholbach, as he was the one trying to get it to work :) [09:23] hahah [09:23] popey, I'll have a chat with ted to figure out how to make snapcraft's qml plugin work with it :) [09:23] It was the result of me watching Sergio do his demo on the snappy clinic (so well done on that) which got me motivated [09:24] I just threw it together to see how hard it was [09:24] I'll file a bug and let you know :) [09:24] ta [09:24] we should probably land the snapcraft bits in music-app trunk [09:24] rather than some junk branch [09:25] yes, once snapcraft does the right thing it should be landed, there agreed :) [09:28] heh [09:30] popey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1510008 [09:30] Launchpad bug 1510008 in snapcraft "qml plugin: make it combinable with apps which use other build systems to install their files" [Undecided,New] [10:27] thanks dholbach [11:08] popey, the avengers programme does not exist any more afaik [11:08] I removed the page a few weeks back with a link to the qa team's touch testing page [11:08] but somebody added it back [11:08] I just sent Nick a mail about it [11:09] AFAICT the 'avengers' bug tag doesn't do anything [11:15] while the avengers 'programme' doesn't exist, sure, I think the page is useful. [11:15] one of the clock app devs put it back, because it's a handy page [11:15] We could remove the avengers tags from the bug links, that's not a problem. [11:16] I edited the text at the top to make it clear the page is _just_ a list of links [11:17] oh, i already did remove the avengers tags, so nothing to do there [11:18] dholbach, ^ [11:18] could we maybe make the page live in the QATeam namespace and we make the avengers page a redirect or something? [11:19] so we don't duplicate the content [11:19] I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting/BugFiling is trying to do the same thing [11:19] and there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting/BugReporting [11:20] I can do that, if you're fine with the idea [11:21] the QA page is missing stuff though [11:21] right [11:21] I could move the avengers content there [11:22] I mean, sure, it could. It's not worth arguing about, but the avengers page works [11:22] I don't quite understand why everything was moved to a harder to find, less-detailed page [11:22] it wasn'T moved [11:22] both existed [11:22] ok, duplicated and then deleted == moved [11:23] maybe I missed to make the page a redirect the last time [11:23] or I wasn't sure if people were still using the page [11:23] Avengers is easy to remember a nice way to get people into bug reporting [11:23] some dry blah blah QA / here's a lengthy page on reporting bugs / isn't appealing IMO [11:23] ok, fine [11:23] but if the QA pages have the same content and we redirect, than fine :) [11:24] I'll leave it up to Nick to decide [11:24] all I wanted is less duplication [11:24] (also, some of the QA links are actually _broken_) so they should be audited before switching [11:24] sure [11:24] and stopping people to use a tag nobody uses [11:24] but I'm happy either way [11:24] there's no tag [11:24] hasn't been for months [11:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting/BugFiling - all the indicators links are broken [11:25] I do agree that it should be in one place. [11:25] But wherever that is, needs to be maintained [11:25] maybe we should have a regular docs meeting to discuss this ;) [11:26] ok, I removed the traces of avengers from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting/BugReporting [11:26] and I'm happy for the list of touch projects in either place [12:46] dpm, looks like this landed, so tomorrows image will be fun https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/445 [12:46] davidcalle: dholbach: I got the devportal staging spec working again, and getting ready to package up another update to the site, is there anything you guys need landed? [12:48] mhall119, yes! I can have a branch ready around team meeting time, does it work for you? [12:48] yup [12:50] Also, do you think we can ask caio for a mechanism in the spec that completely respawns postgre with deployments? We don't need to keep dbs on staging [12:50] keep dbs state* [12:51] davidcalle: we need to work with deej on that, he ended up having to do something different than caio's resetdb stuff in order to get the database connections working again [12:51] but yes, it should be possible [12:52] ok [12:54] popey, \o/ [13:19] davidcalle, mhall119, dholbach, popey, I just sent an e-mail re: UOS session scheduling. Would you mind having a look at it and start adding your track's wanted sessions on the trello board? [13:20] I'd like to review them on our 1:1s later on today [13:24] dpm, ok... === Guest90681 is now known as balloons [13:27] that's a bit better :-) [13:27] thanks dholbach [13:28] hey balloons [13:28] balloons, hey hey [13:28] balloons, re-sending this then: I just sent an e-mail re: UOS session scheduling. Would you mind having a look at it and start adding your track's wanted sessions on the trello board? [13:29] can do. I was just looking through the Avengers cleanup dholbach was starting on [13:30] balloons, it's not a big issue [13:30] balloons, I thought it was something we resolved, then the news article came up :) [13:31] * balloons adds a redirect for everything to pilot [13:31] :p [13:50] dholbach: I'm scheduling my sessions now all at once [13:50] awesome! [13:50] do I just submit or can I put them in the timeslots I want? [13:51] jcastro, this might be better a question for mhall119 ^ [13:51] oh, sorry [13:52] Also, my team doesn't really work on Ubuntu so our sessions are more end-user consumable than planning sessions, I hope that's ok. [13:53] jcastro, that's fine, we accommodate for different types of content on UOS (users, dev workshops, presentations, etc.) [13:53] jcastro, and thanks for putting together the sessions! [14:00] so I believe the UKers dropped back an hour last night right? [14:04] mhall119: ok so am I just submitting or am I scheduling also? [14:06] balloons, our DST change was the weekend just gone, yes. [14:07] that makes this week the weird week for timings. We don't change till Sunday [14:07] and Australia the week after I believe [14:07] it's completely stupid :) [14:21] popey, could you add the wanted sessions on the app dev track in preparation for our 1:1? [14:22] dpm, added one, but the html5 one is just a bit vague [14:23] popey, right, I was expecting you to look into it [14:23] in the next 7 mins, sure. [14:24] well, not in the next 7 minutes, no. This was my initial suggestion for topics [14:24] right, i expected us to discuss this [14:30] jcastro: you're a track lead, so you should schedule too [15:27] dholbach, did you already contact flavors about sessions for UOS? [15:27] dholbach, I ask because I'd like to pitch the idea of doing the show and tell sessions again for flavors. I think it's a great boon to them and the rest of the community [15:28] balloons, I mailed community-team and ubuntu-devel and pinged a few individually [15:28] and mailed some representatives [15:28] yes [15:28] dholbach, ok, so no harm in me following up [15:28] yep, sounds good [15:31] dpm: firing up Chrome, will be just a minute [15:31] famous last words :) [15:32] true story :/ [16:32] davidcalle, mhall119, balloons: team call? [17:07] mhall119, latest trunk of duc ready to ship afaict [17:07] davidcalle: awesome, thanks! [17:08] mhall119, regarding analytics, I've added both heap and GA tag manager for evaluation purpose as you can see, I don't expect this to last and will start working on the link plugin we talked about [17:20] all rightie... I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! [17:38] https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlanPope/posts/Y3RgjUu4xa9 \o/ [17:38] dpm, ^ [17:43] popey, nice one :) [17:49] aha, wireless desktop sharing with Steam link works great! And the controller is a decent mouse. Hi from my tv :) [17:56] hi davidcalle! [19:13] https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/3qbfji/ubuntu_pls/ [19:13] hah, busted! [19:28] I wonder how old that image is [20:02] jcastro, how are the docker images genuine ubuntu ones when they replace /sbin/init with systemd on 14.04? [20:09] popey: which specific images? [20:10] https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu/ 14.04 apparently [20:10] I'm getting this from someone using it, and getting confused when upstart doesn't work [20:11] https://github.com/tianon/docker-brew-ubuntu-core/blob/380b4edf3d7e68499f81acc3eb8d22d59236b7b2/trusty/Dockerfile [20:11] I am looking at the dockerfile and it doesn't show that at all afaict? [20:11] hmmm [20:12] if he's trying to restart services in a docker container then he's not using it right [20:12] hah [20:12] one of the reasons to use application containers is not to have init in the container [20:12] will pass that on :) [20:12] he's using it like a lightVM, not as an app container [20:12] wait, let me get you something he should read [20:12] he's pulling in mongodb which tries to start it as a service and fails [20:12] so you don't sound preachy. [20:13] which is where he went looking [20:13] his app needs mongo [20:16] is he bundling mongo with his container? [20:16] or does he want to connect his containerized app to a mongodb container? [20:16] * czajkowski really should remove mongo as a highlight [20:17] yeah, he's bundling mongo in the container jcastro [20:19] he should probably do that in the dockerfile, I bet he's just grabbing a docker image [20:19] sshing into it, doing foo, then trying to create an image [20:20] if he follows the mongodb dockerfile and copies and derives off of that it will probably work [20:20] http://docs.docker.com/examples/mongodb/ [20:20] k [20:20] that's all I got though [20:20] ta [20:21] "I don't know how to use docker, which is one of the issues here" :D [20:21] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25135897/how-to-automatically-start-a-service-when-running-a-docker-container [20:22] it's ok, docker doesn't enforce a specific workflow, so when you let people do what they want, they can paint themselves into a corner