[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[08:03] <philipballew> hey dholbach
[08:03] <dholbach> hi philipballew
[08:18] <philipballew> dholbach, up to anything exciting these days?
[08:19] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[08:19] <dholbach> salut dpm, salut davidcalle
[08:19] <dpm> hey all
[08:19] <dholbach> philipballew, I'm in the middle of a patch pilot session :)
[08:19] <davidcalle> Hey dholbach, nice weekend?
[08:20] <dholbach> davidcalle, ubucon was fantastic
[08:20] <dholbach> well organised and meeting up with the ubuntu crowd was great
[08:20] <davidcalle> I've seen the pics, yeah :) Looking forward to the parisian one as well.
[08:22] <dpm> \o/
[08:24] <dholbach> dpm, did you get back home all right?
[08:27] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, all good. No changing of trains made it for an uneventful trip :)
[08:27] <philipballew> so many ubucons. That seems like fun for everyone!
[08:27] <dpm> yeah :)
[08:28] <philipballew> dholbach, the patch pilot thing seems like both hard, but rewarding work
[08:29] <dholbach> I like it - you get to see a lot of work from new contributors first hand
[08:29] <dholbach> davidcalle, how was your weekend? :)
[08:47] <davidcalle> dholbach, quite nice, went to the beach :) Except last night, Estelle and I drove from 8pm to 5am, asleep at 6, Tristan was done with his night at 8. Now, I'm trying not to overdose on coffee :D
[08:47]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[08:48] <davidcalle> It's fine actually, my screen is *bright* though
[08:49] <davidcalle> dholbach, on snappy -not duc- things, anything not needing engineering input?
[08:51] <dholbach> davidcalle, I think it's just the ones marked as yellow which need engineering input
[08:52] <davidcalle> Indeed, my bad
[08:55]  * dholbach hugs davidcalle
[09:03] <popey> \o/
[09:07] <popey> dpm, dholbach how was ubucon?
[09:07] <dholbach> awesome
[09:07] <dholbach> well organised
[09:08] <dholbach> lots of fun
[09:08] <dholbach> and good to see all the German/Berlin Ubuntu folks again
[09:08] <dholbach> I liked the session about planning Ubucon Europe a lot
[09:08] <dholbach> I'm looking forward to that one already :)
[09:09] <dpm> yeah, it was just fantastic
[09:09] <popey> Excellent!
[09:10] <dpm> with all that's going on around Ubuntu, it was really reinvigorating to see the passion the German team put in organizing the event
[09:10] <dpm> and it was really great to hang out with them too
[09:14] <popey> dpm, any chance I can steal some of your slides for oggcamp this weekend :)
[09:15] <popey> also, dholbach did you end up talking about snappy?
[09:15] <dholbach> yep, together with svij and ogra :)
[09:15] <dpm> popey, sure
[09:18] <popey> dpm, did you manage to get any kind of convergence demo going?
[09:20] <dpm> popey, unfortunately not :( I got the desktop mode enabled on my nexus 4 with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, but the hdmi output never worked: it did show something on the projector, but was just an Ubuntu background image with a progress bar (the same one you get on boot)
[09:20] <dpm> you might be luckier if silo 22 lands this week
[09:21] <popey> heh, i expect a last minute demo being cobbled together in the car on the way there if it lands as late as thursday :)
[09:21] <dpm> :)
[09:21]  * popey will not be driving :)
[09:22] <popey> oh, we nudged over 2000 clicks in the store http://popey.mooo.com/mirror/clicks/graph_clicks.png
[09:22] <dholbach> nice!
[09:22] <dpm> popey, also, you might want to try with the nexus 7 as well, perhaps it works better there
[09:22] <dpm> ah, cool
[09:22] <popey> yeah, will poke the landing team to see when 22 will land
[09:22] <dpm> popey, btw dholbach and I had some fun times trying your music app snap :)
[09:23] <dpm> well, mostly dholbach, as he was the one trying to get it to work :)
[09:23] <popey> hahah
[09:23] <dholbach> popey, I'll have a chat with ted to figure out how to make snapcraft's qml plugin work with it :)
[09:23] <popey> It was the result of me watching Sergio do his demo on the snappy clinic (so well done on that) which got me motivated
[09:24] <popey> I just threw it together to see how hard it was
[09:24] <dholbach> I'll file a bug and let you know :)
[09:24] <popey> ta
[09:24] <popey> we should probably land the snapcraft bits in music-app trunk
[09:24] <popey> rather than some junk branch
[09:25] <dholbach> yes, once snapcraft does the right thing it should be landed, there agreed :)
[09:28] <popey> heh
[09:30] <dholbach> popey, https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapcraft/+bug/1510008
[09:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1510008 in snapcraft "qml plugin: make it combinable with apps which use other build systems to install their files" [Undecided,New]
[10:27] <popey> thanks dholbach
[11:08] <dholbach> popey, the avengers programme does not exist any more afaik
[11:08] <dholbach> I removed the page a few weeks back with a link to the qa team's touch testing page
[11:08] <dholbach> but somebody added it back
[11:08] <dholbach> I just sent Nick a mail about it
[11:09] <dholbach> AFAICT the 'avengers' bug tag doesn't do anything
[11:15] <popey> while the avengers 'programme' doesn't exist, sure, I think the page is useful.
[11:15] <popey> one of the clock app devs put it back, because it's a handy page
[11:15] <popey> We could remove the avengers tags from the bug links, that's not a problem.
[11:16] <popey> I edited the text at the top to make it clear the page is _just_ a list of links
[11:17] <popey> oh, i already did remove the avengers tags, so nothing to do there
[11:18] <popey> dholbach, ^
[11:18] <dholbach> could we maybe make the page live in the QATeam namespace and we make the avengers page a redirect or something?
[11:19] <dholbach> so we don't duplicate the content
[11:19] <dholbach> I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting/BugFiling is trying to do the same thing
[11:19] <dholbach> and there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting/BugReporting
[11:20] <dholbach> I can do that, if you're fine with the idea
[11:21] <popey> the QA page is missing stuff though
[11:21] <dholbach> right
[11:21] <dholbach> I could move the avengers content there
[11:22] <popey> I mean, sure, it could. It's not worth arguing about, but the avengers page works
[11:22] <popey> I don't quite understand why everything was moved to a harder to find, less-detailed page
[11:22] <dholbach> it wasn'T moved
[11:22] <dholbach> both existed
[11:22] <popey> ok, duplicated and then deleted == moved
[11:23] <dholbach> maybe I missed to make the page a redirect the last time
[11:23] <dholbach> or I wasn't sure if people were still using the page
[11:23] <popey> Avengers is easy to remember a nice way to get people into bug reporting
[11:23] <popey> some dry blah blah QA  / here's a lengthy page on reporting bugs / isn't appealing IMO
[11:23] <dholbach> ok, fine
[11:23] <popey> but if the QA pages have the same content and we redirect, than fine :)
[11:24] <dholbach> I'll leave it up to Nick to decide
[11:24] <dholbach> all I wanted is less duplication
[11:24] <popey> (also, some of the QA links are actually _broken_) so they should be audited before switching
[11:24] <popey> sure
[11:24] <dholbach> and stopping people to use a tag nobody uses
[11:24] <dholbach> but I'm happy either way
[11:24] <popey> there's no tag
[11:24] <popey> hasn't been for months
[11:25] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting/BugFiling - all the indicators links are broken
[11:25] <popey> I do agree that it should be in one place.
[11:25] <popey> But wherever that is, needs to be maintained
[11:25] <popey> maybe we should have a regular docs meeting to discuss this ;)
[11:26] <dholbach> ok, I removed the traces of avengers from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/TouchTesting/BugReporting
[11:26] <dholbach> and I'm happy for the list of touch projects in either place
[12:46] <popey> dpm, looks like this landed, so tomorrows image will be fun https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/445
[12:46] <mhall119> davidcalle: dholbach: I got the devportal staging spec working again, and getting ready to package up another update to the site, is there anything you guys need landed?
[12:48] <davidcalle> mhall119, yes! I can have a branch ready around team meeting time, does it work for you?
[12:48] <mhall119> yup
[12:50] <davidcalle> Also, do you think we can ask caio for a mechanism in the spec that completely respawns postgre with deployments? We don't need to keep dbs on staging
[12:50] <davidcalle> keep dbs state*
[12:51] <mhall119> davidcalle: we need to work with deej on that, he ended up having to do something different than caio's resetdb stuff in order to get the database connections working again
[12:51] <mhall119> but yes, it should be possible
[12:52] <davidcalle> ok
[12:54] <dpm> popey, \o/
[13:19] <dpm> davidcalle, mhall119, dholbach, popey, I just sent an e-mail re: UOS session scheduling. Would you mind having a look at it and start adding your track's wanted sessions on the trello board?
[13:20] <dpm> I'd like to review them on our 1:1s later on today
[13:24] <dholbach> dpm, ok...
[13:27] <balloons> that's a bit better :-)
[13:27] <dpm> thanks dholbach
[13:28] <dholbach> hey balloons
[13:28] <dpm> balloons, hey hey
[13:28] <dpm> balloons, re-sending this then: I just sent an e-mail re: UOS session scheduling. Would you mind having a look at it and start adding your track's wanted sessions on the trello board?
[13:29] <balloons> can do. I was just looking through the Avengers cleanup dholbach was starting on
[13:30] <dholbach> balloons, it's not a big issue
[13:30] <dholbach> balloons, I thought it was something we resolved, then the news article came up :)
[13:31]  * balloons adds a redirect for everything to pilot
[13:31] <balloons> :p
[13:50] <jcastro> dholbach: I'm scheduling my sessions now all at once
[13:50] <dholbach> awesome!
[13:50] <jcastro> do I just submit or can I put them in the timeslots I want?
[13:51] <dpm> jcastro, this might be better a question for mhall119 ^
[13:51] <jcastro> oh, sorry
[13:52] <jcastro> Also, my team doesn't really work on Ubuntu so our sessions are more end-user consumable than planning sessions, I hope that's ok.
[13:53] <dpm> jcastro, that's fine, we accommodate for different types of content on UOS (users, dev workshops, presentations, etc.)
[13:53] <dpm> jcastro, and thanks for putting together the sessions!
[14:00] <balloons> so I believe the UKers dropped back an hour last night right?
[14:04] <jcastro> mhall119: ok so am I just submitting or am I scheduling also?
[14:06] <popey> balloons, our DST change was the weekend just gone, yes.
[14:07] <balloons> that makes this week the weird week for timings. We don't change till Sunday
[14:07] <popey> and Australia the week after I believe
[14:07] <popey> it's completely stupid :)
[14:21] <dpm> popey, could you add the wanted sessions on the app dev track in preparation for our 1:1?
[14:22] <popey> dpm, added one, but the html5 one is just a bit vague
[14:23] <dpm> popey, right, I was expecting you to look into it
[14:23] <popey> in the next 7 mins, sure.
[14:24] <dpm> well, not in the next 7 minutes, no. This was my initial suggestion for topics
[14:24] <popey> right, i expected us to discuss this
[14:30] <mhall119> jcastro: you're a track lead, so you should schedule too
[15:27] <balloons> dholbach, did you already contact flavors about sessions for UOS?
[15:27] <balloons> dholbach, I ask because I'd like to pitch the idea of doing the show and tell sessions again for flavors. I think it's a great boon to them and the rest of the community
[15:28] <dholbach> balloons, I mailed community-team and ubuntu-devel and pinged a few individually
[15:28] <dholbach> and mailed some representatives
[15:28] <dholbach> yes
[15:28] <balloons> dholbach, ok, so no harm in me following up
[15:28] <dholbach> yep, sounds good
[15:31] <mhall119> dpm: firing up Chrome, will be just a minute
[15:31] <dpm> famous last words :)
[15:32] <mhall119> true story :/
[16:32] <dholbach> davidcalle, mhall119, balloons: team call?
[17:07] <davidcalle> mhall119, latest trunk of duc ready to ship afaict
[17:07] <mhall119> davidcalle: awesome, thanks!
[17:08] <davidcalle> mhall119, regarding analytics, I've added both heap and GA tag manager for evaluation purpose as you can see, I don't expect this to last and will start working on the link plugin we talked about
[17:20] <dholbach> all rightie... I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:38] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlanPope/posts/Y3RgjUu4xa9  \o/
[17:38] <popey> dpm, ^
[17:43] <dpm> popey, nice one :)
[17:49] <davidcalle> aha, wireless desktop sharing with Steam link works great! And the controller is a decent mouse. Hi from my tv :)
[17:56] <balloons> hi davidcalle!
[19:13] <jcastro> https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/3qbfji/ubuntu_pls/
[19:13] <jcastro> hah, busted!
[19:28] <balloons> I wonder how old that image is
[20:02] <popey> jcastro, how are the docker images genuine ubuntu ones when they replace /sbin/init with systemd on 14.04?
[20:09] <jcastro> popey: which specific images?
[20:10] <popey> https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu/ 14.04 apparently
[20:10] <popey> I'm getting this from someone using it, and getting confused when upstart doesn't work
[20:11] <popey> https://github.com/tianon/docker-brew-ubuntu-core/blob/380b4edf3d7e68499f81acc3eb8d22d59236b7b2/trusty/Dockerfile
[20:11] <jcastro> I am looking at the dockerfile and it doesn't show that at all afaict?
[20:11] <popey> hmmm
[20:12] <jcastro> if he's trying to restart services in a docker container then he's not using it right
[20:12] <popey> hah
[20:12] <jcastro> one of the reasons to use application containers is not to have init in the container
[20:12] <popey> will pass that on :)
[20:12] <jcastro> he's using it like a lightVM, not as an app container
[20:12] <jcastro> wait, let me get you something he should read
[20:12] <popey> he's pulling in mongodb which tries to start it as a service and fails
[20:12] <jcastro> so you don't sound preachy.
[20:13] <popey> which is where he went looking
[20:13] <popey> his app needs mongo
[20:16] <jcastro> is he bundling mongo with his container?
[20:16] <jcastro> or does he want to connect his containerized app to a mongodb container?
[20:16]  * czajkowski really should remove mongo as a highlight 
[20:17] <popey> yeah, he's bundling mongo in the container jcastro
[20:19] <jcastro> he should probably do that in the dockerfile, I bet he's just grabbing a docker image
[20:19] <jcastro> sshing into it, doing foo, then trying to create an image
[20:20] <jcastro> if he follows the mongodb dockerfile and copies and derives off of that it will probably work
[20:20] <jcastro> http://docs.docker.com/examples/mongodb/
[20:20] <popey> k
[20:20] <jcastro> that's all I got though
[20:20] <popey> ta
[20:21] <popey> "I don't know how to use docker, which is one of the issues here" :D
[20:21] <jcastro> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25135897/how-to-automatically-start-a-service-when-running-a-docker-container
[20:22] <jcastro> it's ok, docker doesn't enforce a specific workflow, so when you let people do what they want, they can paint themselves into a corner