[05:08] <pitti> Good morning
[06:05] <larsu> good morning!
[06:09] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[06:10] <larsu> pitti: gut danke! Hattest du ein schönes Wochenende?
[06:11] <pitti> larsu: ja, sehr ruhig, gut zwischen den ganzen Reisen :)
[06:11] <pitti> und Du?
[06:11] <larsu> schon wieder ein Sprint?
[06:11] <larsu> ja auch ruhig - bisschen Kino und spazieren und so
[06:12] <larsu> und Laney ist hier seit Samstag
[06:12] <pitti> larsu: yeah, Austin next week
[06:47] <darkxst> hey pitti larsu
[06:48] <pitti> hey darkxst, how are you?
[06:48] <darkxst> pitti, sick today ;(
[06:48] <pitti> darkxst: urgh, a cold?
[06:48] <darkxst> yeh, another cold
[06:48] <larsu> hi darkxst!
[06:48] <larsu> oh, get better
[06:48] <darkxst> but that gave me time to track damn a few big crashers
[06:50] <darkxst> including seb128 favourite xorg crash ;)
[06:51] <pitti> darkxst: get well soon then :/ sucks
[06:52] <darkxst> pitti, thanks, flu/cold season should be ending here, but apparently not yet!
[07:09] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[07:09] <seb128> hey pitti larsu darkxst
[07:09] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[07:09] <seb128> darkxst, oh, did you figure it out?
[07:09] <pitti> seb128: as-tu eu un bon w.e.?
[07:09] <darkxst> seb128, yes, it was crashing on shutdown
[07:09] <seb128> hey pitti, passé un bon w.e
[07:09] <darkxst> and the redhat guys already had that one fixed
[07:09] <seb128> pitti, oui, super
[07:09] <seb128> darkxst, k, shame we didn't get it fixed for release :-/
[07:10] <larsu> hey seb128
[07:10] <seb128> did you SRU it?
[07:10] <darkxst> seb128, its completely harmless apart form the spam, and yes Ive filed an sru
[07:10] <seb128> good
[07:10] <seb128> yeah, but apport spam is impacting the user perception of the product
[07:11] <seb128> and it's creating load on retracers&co
[07:11] <darkxst> along with a fix for FTBFS in the mir stuff
[07:11] <pitti> meh :/
[07:11] <seb128> so still good to get fixed
[07:12] <darkxst> robert_ancell doesnt apparently understand autoconf scripts
[07:13] <darkxst> yet it oddly built when uploaded to the archives
[07:14] <darkxst> bug 1509907
[07:14] <darkxst> bug 1237904
[07:15] <darkxst> seb128, and the gjs crash is sorted also
[07:15] <didrocks> good morning
[07:16] <darkxst> last one to go is clutter update, but that wants new cogl major release, which could well just be a micro release ;)
[07:18] <seb128> darkxst, good work sorting out those different issues ;-)
[07:18] <seb128> lut didrocks
[07:19] <darkxst> seb128, was a very productive sick day ;)
[07:20] <didrocks> salut seb128
[07:21] <tjaalton> darkxst: thanks.. too bad xserver git is still not in sync so I'll wait until robert has pushed his branch..
[07:22] <seb128> didrocks, t'as eu un bon w.e de 3j ?
[07:22] <darkxst> tjaalton, yeh, that confused me also
[07:23] <didrocks> seb128: c'était bien, oui, merci ! Et toi, bon week-end ?
[07:24] <seb128> didrocks, oui, tranquille, y a fait beau ;-)
[07:24] <tjaalton> darkxst: that other change.. could it be because mir itself changed? doko filed a bug about it
[07:25] <tjaalton> mesa & xserver ftbfs now
[07:25] <darkxst> tjaalton, yes but robert messed ubuntu the ubuntu9 diff
[07:26] <desrt> good morning desktop!
[07:26] <seb128> hey desrt!
[07:26] <darkxst> PKG_CHECK_MODULES does not understand debian package names ;)
[07:26]  * desrt comes back from insane weekend in zurich
[07:26] <seb128> oh, was that good?
[07:27] <didrocks> hey desrt!
[07:27] <seb128> how many kms did you walk? ;-)
[07:27] <darkxst> tjaalton, I don't know why it even built, unless it landed before the MIR changes?
[07:27] <tjaalton> yeah mir changed only a week or to before release
[07:28] <desrt> not many
[07:28] <desrt> we were mostly playing defence
[07:28] <desrt> it was super military-operation like
[07:28] <larsu> morning desrt
[07:28] <darkxst> tjaalton, ok, well ubuntu9 diff is clearly a typo
[07:28] <desrt> like there was some central control area where they took "intelligence" reports from the agents on the street about what was going on (and how many people of the opposite team were present, etc)
[07:28] <desrt> then made decisions about what to do and report it to team-leads
[07:28] <desrt> who then 'commanded' their troops to new locations or to change tactics or whatever
[07:28] <tjaalton> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/mir-client-platform-mesa-dev.pc
[07:29] <desrt> pretty wild
[07:29] <seb128> tjaalton, 1509005
[07:29] <seb128> regression in the recent mir landing
[07:30] <tjaalton> yeah that one
[07:31] <darkxst> tjaalton, my sbuild refuses to admit the existance of that file!
[07:31] <tjaalton> darkxst: it's not there anymore, my Contents.* are old :)
[07:32] <tjaalton> just saying that it's the same bug
[07:32] <tjaalton> it used to be -dev, the mir renamed it
[07:32] <tjaalton> so the diff is right, fixing xorg-server portion of 1509005
[07:34] <darkxst> tjaalton, k, didnt managed to find that bug report when I searched
[07:34] <tjaalton> it was for mir
[07:34] <tjaalton> added xserver/mesa to it
[07:38] <darkxst> tjaalton, yes I see, but why changing .pc filenames after freeze?
[07:38] <tjaalton> exactly
[07:39] <tjaalton> but looks like rbuilddeps will be fixed instead
[07:49] <darkxst> tjaalton, ok
[07:50] <darkxst> pitti, is there someway apport could flag shutdown bugs?
[07:50] <pitti> darkxst: actually it has tried to do that for a long time already
[07:50] <pitti> data/apport is_closing_session()
[07:51] <pitti> it asks org.gnome.SessionManager if the session is closing, and if so, igonres the crash
[07:51] <pitti> but that's racy and might not always owrk
[07:52] <darkxst> clearly not working here
[07:52] <pitti> l
[07:52] <darkxst> or the other gnome-session bug that was disabling everyones shell extension due to a crash on shutdown
[07:53] <darkxst> or maybe it did work there, and ingnoring the crash wasnt helpful
[07:54] <darkxst> but regardless users get crash reports on login so they think it happen well on login
[08:09] <Trevinho> Morning
[08:11] <darkxst> seb128, is gtk in progress?
[08:11] <seb128> Trevinho, hey Trevinho, how are you?
[08:14] <Trevinho> seb128: getting better, you?
[08:15] <seb128> Trevinho, I'm good thanks, had a good w.e and enjoyed the nice weather, a bit sleepy this morning though ;-)
[08:20] <larsu> hi from Laney
[08:20] <larsu> or better: Laney says hi
[08:20] <larsu> darkxst: yes
[08:21] <larsu> it's in the ppa
[08:21] <darkxst> larsu does laney have a new bot?
[08:21] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:21] <larsu> darkxst: I don't know
[08:21] <seb128> darkxst, desktop ppa has it but I think Laney said it was not ready
[08:21] <seb128> he just got it to build so it can be tested
[08:21] <larsu> it's ready to try
[08:22] <didrocks> hi Laneyrsu :)
[08:22] <seb128> but like the mir patch needs updating
[08:22] <larsu> but there's no mir backend
[08:22] <larsu> (seems like I'm Laney's bot)
[08:22] <seb128> larsu, stop repeting what I say :p
[08:22] <larsu> seb128: complain to Laney - I'm repeating what he says
[08:22] <larsu> didrocks: hahhaaaha nice
[08:22] <larsu> you people are fun
[08:23] <Sweet5hark> moin
[08:24] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[08:24] <larsu> hi Sweet5hark
[08:25] <didrocks> morning Sweet5hark
[08:25] <larsu> didrocks: how are you?
[08:27] <Sweet5hark> seb128: heya! so i figured it prolly makes sense for me to make two versions: ubuntu3 for wily to have a new unique verion id and ubuntu4 for xenial where I also switch of the collada, gltf and coinmp stuff ...
[08:27] <Sweet5hark> larsu, didrocks: heya
[08:28]  * Sweet5hark survived hackfest hamburg ;)
[08:28] <seb128> Sweet5hark, how was the hackfest?
[08:30] <Sweet5hark> seb128: I thought it was very good, but as one of the organizers Im likely biased. Still have to write a blogpost about it ...
[08:30] <seb128> mitya57, hey, gnome-applets fails to build in xenial with "Requested 'libpanel-applet >= 3.18.0' but version of libpanel-applet is 3.16.1" ... there is probably a build-depends that need to be updated to 3.18 there
[08:30] <seb128> Sweet5hark, good :-)
[08:31] <seb128> Sweet5hark, for the 2 versions that makes sense, let me know when you get something ready for upload
[08:31] <mitya57> seb128, the problem is that Ubuntu's gnome-panel has epoch number while Debian's doesn't
[08:31] <ricotz> hey desktopers
[08:32] <mitya57> seb128, I will upload new gnome-panel soon anyway
[08:32] <seb128> mitya57, oh, right
[08:32] <didrocks> larsu: starting to get sick, so, we'll see…
[08:32] <seb128> hey ricotz
[08:32] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, hey, is this going to be 5.0.3~rc2?
[08:32] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: nope
[08:32] <ricotz> ah, ok
[08:33] <ricotz> seb128, hi
[08:34] <larsu> didrocks: oh shit. get better!
[08:35] <didrocks> larsu: well, it's the start, so still bearable. Doing as much as possible as long as I feel "good" before it's getting worse…
[08:35] <larsu> drink more tea!
[08:42] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: urgh, all the best for getting rid of that quickly
[08:42] <didrocks> thx
[08:58] <willcooke> morning all
[08:58] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:59] <darkxst> hey willcooke
[08:59] <larsu> morning willcooke
[09:00] <willcooke> Stupid daylight savings time
[09:00] <larsu> we're back to normal!
[09:02] <pitti> I'd really like to keep summer time all year aroudn
[09:02] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:03] <didrocks> same for me, light later during the day…
[09:03] <willcooke> pitti, yes!!  I'd love to move us forward 2 hours.
[09:05] <darkxst> summer is overrated, constant 40C days coming soon here ;(
[10:13] <pitti> tjaalton, darkxst: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/2:1.17.2-1ubuntu10 is blocked by https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-xenial/xenial/amd64/v/virtualbox/20151026_091418@/log.gz ; it fails on unavailable xserver-xorg-legacy, but it seems we've actually never had that
[10:13] <pitti> do you know what's up with that pacakge?
[10:34] <desrt> pop quiz: from your home directory /home/foo you make a symlink /home/foo/x -> /usr
[10:35] <desrt> what does "/home/foo/x/.." now refer to?
[10:35] <pitti> your home dir again?
[10:35] <desrt> nope.  /
[10:35] <desrt> i was surprised by this.
[10:36] <pitti> I guess one coudl argue either way
[10:36] <desrt> but not too surprised.  it actually makes sense when you consider that, internally, ".." is resolved just like any other item in the directory
[10:36] <pitti> resolving links before .. or .. before links
[10:36] <desrt> there is only one rule.  start at the left and move right.
[10:37] <pitti> then this makes sense
[10:38] <desrt> totally
[10:38] <desrt> and even still, i bet you most people answer this question wrong :)
[10:41] <desrt> it's also yet another reason that one cannot blindly simplify the path "/a/b/../c" to "/a/c" without first inspecting the filesystem
[11:04] <larsu> desrt: interesting point. The path/inode relationship is so messed up :/
[11:16] <desrt> larsu: i don't think so.... it sort of has a simple beauty to it, in fact
[11:17] <desrt> the only thing to know is that ".." is very very strange and it doesn't work like most people think it does
[11:28] <tjaalton> pitti: hum, it's provided by 'xorg' (source) which we haven't merged yet
[11:29] <tjaalton> pitti: debian has switched to non-root X
[11:29] <tjaalton> -legacy provides the old run by root
[11:29] <pitti> tjaalton: ah, so that wasn't removed, but newly introduced, and the new virtualbox already uses it?
[11:29] <tjaalton> apparently so
[11:29] <pitti> ah, indeed: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#virtualbox
[11:29] <tjaalton> I'll merge xorg then
[11:30] <pitti>  * Add runtime dependency on xserver-xorg-legacy on virtualbox-guest-x11
[11:30] <pitti>     (Closes: #801524)
[11:30] <pitti> tjaalton: thanks for the explanation (and merging)!
[11:46] <larsu> desrt: meh - the concepts of links and the way ".." works get in each others way
[11:47] <larsu> desrt: it would be much simpler if I could simplify *any* path
[11:48] <larsu> (without it being specific to a fs, of course)
[12:24] <tkamppeter> willcooke, hi
[12:25] <willcooke> hey tjaalton
[12:25] <willcooke> oops, tkamppeter
[12:25] <willcooke> sorry tjaalton - ignore
[12:26] <tkamppeter> willcooke, mpt is back to work since today and tomorrow he would be ready to talk about thd print dialog.
[12:27] <willcooke> tkamppeter, great, do you need me to be there?
[12:36] <tkamppeter> willcooke, there is not really a meeting set up yet, I will simply talk with him on IRC and I can ping you then, and/or get a meeting together.
[12:36] <willcooke> perfect, thanks tkamppeter
[12:39] <mhall119> willcooke: can someone from your team to a Convergence track session or two and UDS to talk about the work that is going into bringing Unity 8 and Snappy to the desktop?
[12:40] <willcooke> mhall119, better to speak to someone in the U8 team and the snappy team.
[12:41] <mhall119> already poked them about it too
[12:41] <willcooke> mhall119, as you can imagine, we integrate their stuff in to the desktop, but we're not really qualified to talk about the lower level parts
[12:42] <mhall119> anything you can talk about (or planning that needs to be done) around that integration?
[12:43] <mhall119> bregma: can you host some sessions about puritine and libertine?
[12:43] <seb128> integration of what?
[12:43] <mhall119> seb128: desktop apps with Mir, lifecycle management, confinement, etc
[12:47] <andyrock> good morning all
[13:01] <seb128> hey AndrewMC
[13:01] <seb128> ups
[13:01] <seb128> hey andyrock
[13:01] <andyrock> :sweat_smile:
[13:41] <Trevinho> seb128: can I do direct push to lp:unity only for doing a release?
[13:42] <Trevinho> or to lp:unity/wily...
[13:42] <seb128> Trevinho, why do you need that? shouldn't the train merge/tag things?
[13:42] <Trevinho> I wanted to release unity 7.3.3
[13:42] <Trevinho> So I need to update changelog and stuff like that and do the tarball
[13:43] <seb128> unsure, ask on #ubuntu-ci-eng I guess
[13:43] <Trevinho> ok
[13:43] <seb128> you can bump the changelog in a mp that you ci lande
[13:43] <seb128> unsure about the tarball part
[13:44] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, but I didn't want to do a "SRU" for wily...
[13:44] <tjaalton> pitti: actually it's xorg-server that will provide -legacy, but I'll wait until ancell has pushed his uploads to git
[13:45]  * Trevinho hates this time-consuming duties
[14:03] <sethj> is the bug scrub still happening? Been too busy the last couple weeks to keep up.
[14:50] <willcooke> seb128, I saw you updated some rls-w-incoming to rls-x-incoming
[14:50] <willcooke> Can we automatically move them all over do you think?
[14:51] <willcooke> Although, I expect it will be hard to know which are ours and which are not?
[14:51] <willcooke> I think we could automatically update the Unity 7, Compiz, Nux ones right Trevinho ?
[14:52] <Trevinho> I think so willcooke
[14:52] <willcooke> Trevinho, I think the bug scrubber script should be able to make light work of that, Trevinho you want to take a look?
[14:52] <willcooke> or I can later on
[14:53] <Trevinho> willcooke: i can do that, once I'm done with the 7.3.3 release and 7.4.0 branch preparation...
[14:53] <willcooke> Trevinho, awesome, thanks
[15:35] <seb128> willcooke, I see no issue moving all those over no
[15:36] <willcooke> cool
[15:36] <willcooke> balloons, created at testing session in Summit :)
[15:36] <balloons> willcooke, excellent, thank you
[15:37] <balloons> should be a lively discussion
[16:38] <seb128> Sweet5hark, is  libreoffice-dictionaries something we could perhaps sync from Debian?
[16:38] <seb128> or is our version different?
[16:39] <Sweet5hark> seb128: not sure, lemme have a look at it.
[16:39] <Trevinho> all dark here...
[16:39]  * Trevinho hates solar time
[16:40] <seb128> yeah :-/
[16:43] <larsu> what is it with people in this channel complaining about dst?
[16:45] <seb128> larsu, we are complaining about winter!
[16:45] <seb128> give us the summer back!
[16:45]  * larsu gives seb128 summer back
[16:45] <seb128> :-)
[16:47] <Sweet5hark> larsu: did you just throw seb128 to the southern hemisphere for a summer experience?
[16:47] <larsu> Sweet5hark: virtually, yes
[16:58] <didrocks> have a good evening everyone
[17:24] <Sweet5hark> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice-dictionaries/+bug/1510198
[17:25] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks
[18:00] <Trevinho> new libsigc++ causes FTB in unity... Damn it!
[18:00] <Trevinho> (and probably nux as well)
[18:00] <Trevinho> In xenial I mean...
[18:00] <Trevinho> Anyway, things for tomorrow
[18:00] <Trevinho> see you!
[18:09] <willcooke> g'night all
[18:09] <willcooke> sooo dark :((
[21:34] <TheMuso> Morning all.