[04:04] <darkxst> eliasps, where did you get with the clutter SRU paperwork? you can just use the NEWS log for impact, general smoke test for test-case etc...
[05:10] <eliasps> darkxst I'm almost ready with the paperwork. People from the bug control told me that it would be bonus points for the sru team if I set up a PPA to test clutter and whatever dependencies that need sru also because of it. So I'm doing that now.
[05:11] <eliasps> I'll send it to you tomorrow if not later today.
[05:20] <darkxst> there should be any other dependencies
[05:25] <eliasps> just libcogl-dev only, which will need to be sru'd too.
[05:32] <darkxst> eliasps, normally wouldnt sru a major release
[05:32] <darkxst> can you cherry-pick the patch the introduces api change that clutter needs
[05:33] <eliasps> I can try! I'll let you know.
[05:39] <darkxst> either way we want to end up with this fix https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745517
[05:54] <darkxst> eliasps, cogl update *might* get through its mostly just bug fixes, perhaps check with one of the sru vangaurds
[05:58] <eliasps> Since it's a sync from debian, clutter will be updated in xenial when autosync is on anyway. Should I mention that on the report?
[06:02] <darkxst> already landed in xenial
[06:04] <darkxst> along with a quite a chunk of 3.18
[06:05] <eliasps> Ok, I thinks that's good since we are talking about a backport from an LTS version, right? I mean it must have some gravity on the request.
[06:06] <darkxst> no, not really, its more micro releases are ok for sru
[06:06] <darkxst> feature releases are not
[06:07] <darkxst> though cogl looks more like a micro release, but with a major version bump to me
[06:07] <darkxst> eliasps, btw http://phillw.net/ubuntu-gnome/xenial318.html
[06:07] <eliasps> I'll read the stuff on that bug.
[06:07] <eliasps> Great! I'll be keeping track of the packages for builds.
[06:08] <darkxst> eliasps, and another one, http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/gnome.html
[06:10] <darkxst> the latter is far more complete, but has many packages we don't normally deal with
[06:13] <darkxst> ricotz, the flood gates have opened! just need a gtk and 3.18 can be done in a week
[06:13] <eliasps> I see. I'll be watching them both.
[06:15] <eliasps> darkxst, when using sbuild, do you have also a larga amount of data filling up your root fs?
[06:15] <eliasps> large
[06:16] <darkxst> eliasps, its not really on your root fs
[06:16] <ricotz> darkxst, afaik Laney took a look at it while ignoring the gnome3 package (as usual) -- https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/5590762/+listing-archive-extra
[06:16] <darkxst> or it might be depending on where you chroots are
[06:17] <eliasps> It's not in the chroot, or is it? Files like that? /var/lib/schroot/union/underlay/wily-amd64-f9e190a0-549e-40ce-85d4-94d36b6bc534
[06:17] <eliasps> I have a bunch of those.
[06:17] <darkxst> eliasps, they are bind-mounts
[06:18] <darkxst> think they end up in tmpfs by default
[06:18] <darkxst> there may be a bug that causes them to hang around
[06:19] <darkxst> I vaguely remember making some changes locally for that
[06:19] <ricotz> darkxst, grilo-plugins needs some care to make gnome-music installable
[06:20] <eliasps> there are about 67.000 of them. Anyway, I'll search it out.
[06:22] <darkxst> ricotz, gah, typo
[06:23] <darkxst> fixed
[06:24] <darkxst> eliasps, I have like 4 here
[06:25] <ricotz> darkxst, alright
[06:27] <darkxst> eliasps, there is a debian bug somewhere, they can't change the default since it break certain use cases (but I don't need those so ok)
[06:31] <eliasps> I see this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23709774
[06:31] <eliasps> Anyway, there is plenty of documentation for configuring it. I'll try to fix it.
[06:35] <darkxst> eliasps, sbuild already uses tmpfs by default on ubuntu, don't think that is the bug I was thinking
[06:35] <darkxst> there is one about bind mounts not getting cleaned up
[06:35] <darkxst> possibly related to the mount options in fstab
[06:37] <eliasps> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=775423
[06:37] <eliasps> Cleared 10 GBs...
[06:40] <darkxst> nope, keep looking!
[06:45] <darkxst> eliasps, paste your /etc/schroot/sbuild/fstab
[06:47] <eliasps> I set that up using the documentation in Ubuntu wiki: http://pastebin.com/6MQhcGg2
[06:47] <eliasps> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleSbuild
[06:51] <darkxst> thats more or less what I have, apart from the extra mounts I added
[06:52] <eliasps> It's ok, I'll be cleaning the old sessions manually. I don't mind if it's not being done automatically.
[06:53] <darkxst> eliasps, ok, it only needs a simple config change, but can't remember or find where what I changed that once!
[06:54] <eliasps> I'll keep searching and if I found it then ok. If not, I'll be doing it manually. Now that I know how it's not really a problem anymore!
[06:57] <darkxst> eliasps, I don't think they really take up disk space? they a dangling mounts (atleast after a reboot)
[07:00] <eliasps> After running schroot -e --all-sessions all those files got removed, totalling up to 10gb.
[07:05] <darkxst> ok
[07:05]  * mgedmin is trying to force himself to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[07:05] <darkxst> mgedmin, its done
[07:05] <mgedmin> the SRU?  awesome!
[07:07] <darkxst> the paperwork and upload anyway
[07:07] <darkxst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1418771
[10:26] <MaverickPT> hi
[10:26] <MaverickPT> have installed ubuntu gnome 15.10 and am getting an error
[10:27] <MaverickPT> usr/bin/Xorg
[10:28] <MaverickPT> any ideas?
[10:35] <MaverickPT> what a helpful bunch of chaps you all are
[10:38] <mgedmin> that was not a very error-like message
[12:02] <noobie_> hellp
[12:02] <noobie_> hello
[12:02] <noobie_> can i ask for help here?
[12:03] <mgedmin> always, assuming it's on topic ;)
[12:08] <noobie_> :)
[12:08] <noobie_> i've been trying ubuntu-gnome for like a week, but after using it, i guess stock unity works better for me
[12:08] <noobie_> i've installed unity using "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"
[12:09] <noobie_> now im wondering if i need to do anything beside this?
[12:10] <noobie_> i have lot of apps installed already and data copied... would prefer to keep them
[12:14] <mgedmin> right, let me double-check
[12:14] <mgedmin> I think you have to apt-get remove ubuntu-gnome-defaults
[12:14] <mgedmin> err, -default-settings?
[12:14] <mgedmin> right, ubuntu-gnome-default-settings
[12:14] <mgedmin> remove it
[12:15] <noobie_> done!
[12:15] <noobie_> do i need to reinstall ubuntu-desktop?
[12:15] <mgedmin> and I think you need to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^ with the ^ at the end, which is some special syntax that I don't quite understand
[12:15] <noobie_> oook
[12:15] <mgedmin> something related to "tasks", whatever they are
[12:16] <noobie_> yep, it seem that its doing something else
[12:16] <mgedmin> ah, and install ubuntu-default-settings
[12:16] <mgedmin> and apt-get remove gdm -- as long as lightdm is installed, that is, you don't want to be left with no display manager at all ;)
[12:17] <mgedmin> or just dpkg-reconfigure lightdm and when it asks choose lightdm
[12:17]  * mgedmin is mentally translating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Installation#Cross-grading_from_Ubuntu_To_Ubuntu_GNOME into the opposite
[12:18] <noobie_> mmm for ubuntu-default-settings its saying that its a virtual package
[12:18] <noobie_> and i have to select one from a list
[12:18] <mgedmin> huh
[12:18] <noobie_>   ubuntukylin-default-settings 1.3.11   ubuntu-defaults-zh-cn 0.12   ubuntu-defaults-nl-nl 6   ubuntu-defaults-it 0.2.3   ubuntu-business-defaults 38
[12:18] <mgedmin> I guess there's no defaults package for stock ubuntu
[12:19] <noobie_> ok
[12:19] <mgedmin> I wonder why the wiki suggests removing it when you cross-grade from Ubuntu to Ubuntu GNOME
[12:19] <mgedmin> outdated info from earlier releases maybe?
[12:19] <noobie_> or maybe a just in case for people coming from kylin?
[12:20] <noobie_> mgedmin, help very much appreciated
[12:20] <mgedmin> almost every derivative has its own $foo-default-settings package
[12:20] <mgedmin> so, I'm not 100% sure this removed every trace of ubuntu-gnome
[12:20] <mgedmin> but I have no better list of instructions
[12:20] <noobie_> good enough i feel
[12:20] <noobie_> i will try a restart now
[12:20] <mgedmin> if you find some, I dunno, gnome'ish splash screens during startup/shutdown, search for other package names
[12:20] <mgedmin> if I had the patience, I'd install ubuntu and ubuntu gnome in two virtual machines
[12:21] <mgedmin> and compare the lists of installed packages (dpkg -l)
[12:21] <mgedmin> that's all that differs
[12:21] <noobie_> k, be right back, i think this will work good enough
[12:25] <noobie_> hi again
[12:25] <noobie_> it looks like its all ok, except for the splash boot screen, wich still shows the ubuntu-gnome logo
[12:25] <noobie_> but i dont mind that
[12:26] <noobie_> everything else works and the Xorg errors on boot are now gone
[12:26] <noobie_> Thanks a lot mgedmin
[12:27] <mgedmin> yay
[12:27] <mgedmin> incidentally, what did you like better about unity?
[12:28] <mgedmin> the splash screen comes from plymouth-theme-ubuntu-gnome-logo
[12:29] <mgedmin> you may want to remove it and install plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo instead
[12:29] <mgedmin> I wonder how plymouth chooses the theme if multiple are installed?
[12:29] <noobie_> i will check on that later
[12:30] <mgedmin> /usr/share/doc/plymouth/README.Debian answers
[12:30] <mgedmin> "sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth" and "sudo update-initramfs -u"
[12:30] <noobie_> thx
[12:32] <noobie_> done too :)
[15:55] <nabn_> hi. I installed/uninstalled elementary-desktop on ubuntu-gnome 15.10, and now gnome-control-center does not open. On the teminal, it says "Settings schema 'org.pantheon.dpms' is not installed". Is there any way i can fix this?
[15:56] <mgedmin> sure
[15:56] <mgedmin> the question is how
[15:56] <mgedmin> have you tried sudo apt-get autoremove?
[15:56] <mgedmin> here's what I think happens: elementary-desktop pulled in some package that installed a .desktop launcher for an extra gnome-control-center applet
[15:57] <mgedmin> when you removed elementary-desktop, that extra package remained behind
[15:57] <mgedmin> but it depends on the 'org.pantheon.dpms' gsettings schema, that got removed somehow
[15:57] <mgedmin> maybe apt-get autoremove will remove that package
[15:57] <nabn_> mgedmin: yes. i have tried apt-get autoremove. I've purged and reinstalled gnome-shell. Still didn't fix this
[15:58] <mgedmin> if not, you'll have to hunt it down by hand
[15:58] <mgedmin> step 1: grep -l X-GNOME-Settings-Panel /usr/share/applications/*.desktops
[15:58] <nabn_> mgedmin: i'm willing to go down that path. should i look under /usr/share/applications or sth?
[15:59] <mgedmin> step 2: grep -l X-GNOME-Settings-Panel /usr/share/applications/*.desktop|xargs -l dpkg -S
[16:00] <nabn_> mgedmin: nothing there..
[16:00] <mgedmin> actually step 2 is probably enough
[16:00] <nabn_> step 1, i meant.
[16:00] <mgedmin> it shows package: filename for all the control center launchers
[16:00] <mgedmin> step 1 has a typo
[16:00] <mgedmin> (sorry)
[16:00] <mgedmin> anyway, it's not necessary; step 2 supersedes it
[16:01] <nabn_> mgedmin: that's cool. i get a list.. but nothing looks like settings
[16:01] <nabn_> mgedmin: should i give you a pastebin?
[16:01] <mgedmin> on my system the packages that have the launchers are: gnome-control-center, language-selector-gnome, system-config-printer-gnome and software-properties-gtk
[16:01] <mgedmin> yeah, pastebin
[16:01] <mgedmin> or look for packages not mentioned in my list
[16:02] <mgedmin> also, hey, elementary-desktop is not in the main ubuntu archive
[16:02] <mgedmin> did you use a PPA or something?
[16:02] <mgedmin> you may need to use ppa-purge
[16:02] <mgedmin> maybe your version of gnome-control-center is patched?
[16:02] <nabn_> mgedmin: yeah. a PPA
[16:02] <mgedmin> do you know about ppa-purge?
[16:03] <nabn_> mgedmin: not much, actually. (ppa-purge)
[16:03] <nabn_> about gnome-control-center, i apt-get purged it and reinsttalled it
[16:03] <nabn_> http://pastebin.com/jAX21NPB
[16:05] <mgedmin> ppa-purge ppa:foo/bar downgrades all the packages you got from the PPA into stock ubuntu versions before removing the PPA from apt sources
[16:06] <mgedmin> 'light-locker-settings' is suspicious
[16:06] <nabn_> i googled it, and it looks like its the login screen
[16:06] <mgedmin> it's the lock screen from lubuntu/xubuntu, apparently
[16:06] <mgedmin> so, probably a red herring
[16:07] <nabn_> mgedmin: should i try removing it?
[16:07] <mgedmin> can't hurt, but probably won't help
[16:07] <mgedmin> apt-cache policy gnome-control-center?
[16:08] <mgedmin> what does it say about the version you've got installed?
[16:08] <nabn_> installed: 1:3.16.3-0ubuntu1
[16:08] <mgedmin> that's stock wily
[16:08] <mgedmin> hmm
[16:08] <mgedmin> ok, bigger hammer: apt-show-versions | grep -v uptodate | grep -v 'not installed'
[16:08] <mgedmin> will show any installed packages that don't match the version in the ubuntu archive
[16:09] <mgedmin> you may need to sudo apt-get install apt-show-versions first
[16:09] <mgedmin> usually this shows a few outdated kernel packages and that's it
[16:11] <nabn_> that's a huge list. what should i be looking for, please?
[16:12] <mgedmin> oh, my
[16:12] <mgedmin> I would remove every package in that list, except those I want
[16:13] <mgedmin> things like google-talkplugin
[16:13] <mgedmin> and old kernels I don't mind having for backup
[16:13] <mgedmin> pastebin?
[16:14] <nabn_> mgedmin: sure. i'm removing a few suspicious programs.
[16:15] <nabn_> http://pastebin.com/EGJsAmhQ
[16:16] <mgedmin> switchboard-gnome-control-center-override looks especially suspicious
[16:16] <mgedmin> things like skype and neovim you may want to keep
[16:17] <mgedmin> and dropbox, atom
[16:17] <nabn_> mgedmin: thanks. i'll try doing that
[16:18] <mgedmin> basically, I think if you remove all packages from that list that begin with "switchboard", gnome-control-center ought to start working again
[16:18] <mgedmin> but I would remove almost everything ;)
[16:18] <mgedmin> keeping the system clean etc.
[16:19] <nabn_> mgedmin: aaah! it's back! :D
[16:19] <nabn_> removed the override thing, and reinstalled control-center
[16:20] <nabn_> but i'll go ahead and remove the others too, the ones i don't want.
[16:22] <nabn_> mgedmin: thanks for the help! appreciate it!
[16:22] <mgedmin> you're welcome!
[16:23]  * mgedmin disappears mysteriously