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| xnox | hello | 15:13 |
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| xnox | cyphermox: hello, how are you? =) | 15:13 |
| cyphermox | hey | 15:14 |
| xnox | cyphermox: are we meant to have a meeting or some such? | 15:14 |
| xnox | cyphermox: do we have any agenda items? | 15:14 |
| cyphermox | heh, woops. it's not actually my turn to chair, but whatever | 15:15 |
| cyphermox | I had chaired in place of Laney last time :) | 15:15 |
| xnox | cyphermox: did you do it last time? in that case it would be micahg turn | 15:15 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 15:15 |
| xnox | Next DMB meetings (Chair: Mathieu): is not helpful then on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda | 15:16 |
| cyphermox | but still, I think we just have the agenda item for membership to uploaders | 15:16 |
| cyphermox | xnox: indeed, but it's because I thought it not good to change the order for one case of switching | 15:16 |
| cyphermox | I can chair again, don't mind :) | 15:16 |
| xnox | well we don't have any applicants. | 15:17 |
| xnox | and I'm not sure how many people are around. | 15:17 |
| cyphermox | infinity is probably away on vacation this week | 15:18 |
| cyphermox | ah, Laney is on holiday too | 15:18 |
| cyphermox | bdmurray: hey | 15:18 |
| cyphermox | micahg will be back in a few minutes and we can start the meeting then, I suppose. | 15:19 |
| cyphermox | #startmeeting DMB 2015-10-26 | 15:31 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Oct 26 15:31:05 2015 UTC. The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 15:31 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 15:31 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | DMB 2015-10-26 Meeting | Current topic: | ||
| cyphermox | #voters micahg cyphermox xnox bdmurray | 15:31 |
| meetingology | Current voters: bdmurray cyphermox micahg xnox | 15:31 |
| cyphermox | #votesrequired 4 | 15:31 |
| meetingology | votes now need 4 to be passed | 15:31 |
| cyphermox | #topic Review of the previous action items | 15:31 |
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| cyphermox | Laney isn't around, so we'll just skip to the main topic, I guess | 15:32 |
| cyphermox | #subtopic Granting membership for PPU/packageset uploaders by default | 15:32 |
| xnox | +1 | 15:32 |
| cyphermox | do we want to discuss this before we vote? | 15:32 |
| micahg | so, my position is that some should have membership and some shouldn't | 15:32 |
| cyphermox | This is about the default process for PPU/packageset uploaders, whether they should ask to have membership too when they apply for upload rights | 15:33 |
| micahg | PPU doesn't, flavor packagesets should, other packagesets were not decided from what I remember | 15:33 |
| xnox | micahg: the question, whether it's opt-in, or opt-out. | 15:33 |
| micahg | right, so, it's a mix | 15:34 |
| cyphermox | why shouldn't PPU? and under which conditions do you feel packagesets might or might not? | 15:34 |
| micahg | so, the whole goal was to lower the bar for PPU so that more people can apply when they have the technical skills, but not the significant and sustained part | 15:34 |
| cyphermox | fair enough | 15:35 |
| cyphermox | still though, doesn't the significant and sustained part get implicitly verified in the way that we account for whether they have the technical skills? | 15:35 |
| micahg | so, ,if we're doing that, I would think it should be like any other membership where the applicant needs to apply for it | 15:35 |
| micahg | it could | 15:36 |
| cyphermox | ok | 15:36 |
| xnox | well. | 15:36 |
| xnox | if one wants upload rights apply for PPU for a package and/or packagest. | 15:36 |
| cyphermox | I feel it might be a little counterproductive to get them to ask for it, etc when they go for upload rights -- if we're to do that, we might as well have them apply to the RMB simply | 15:36 |
| xnox | if one wants membership apply for contributing member, MOTU, or core. | 15:37 |
| xnox | cyphermox: we have developer path to membership only - contributing developer. | 15:37 |
| micahg | I think it should be made abundantly clear to applicants that if they're just going for PPU or a packageset where there isn't a requirement for significant & sustained contribution that they have the option to apply to dev membership as well if they feel they've fulfilled the significant and sustained piece as well | 15:37 |
| cyphermox | oh, true | 15:37 |
| cyphermox | so, should we vote then? | 15:38 |
| micahg | it's basically was it 1 upload every 6 months or something a bit more significant | 15:38 |
| cyphermox | fwiw, Laney's vote was +1, but he didn't take part of the discussion here now | 15:38 |
| micahg | but as xnox said, the DMB is still the best place to grant that membership | 15:39 |
| micahg | * evaluate and grant | 15:39 |
| micahg | my problem with opt-out is that it increases the risk we'll reject applicants, if it's opt-in, worst case is they have to come back in 2 weeks | 15:42 |
| bdmurray | How does that work? | 15:43 |
| bdmurray | "> Individuals, when they apply to the DMB for packageset or PPU rights, | 15:44 |
| bdmurray | > will be considered separately for their upload access and for Ubuntu | 15:44 |
| bdmurray | > membership (the latter being optional, and usually not explicitly | 15:44 |
| bdmurray | > requested)." | 15:44 |
| cyphermox | should we make it explicitly clear with the applicant then whether they expect to be considered for membership at the meeting? | 15:45 |
| bdmurray | No, "we didn't expect people to have to say they want membership too" | 15:47 |
| micahg | that was not my understanding | 15:47 |
| cyphermox | no, we didn't expect, but we can ask | 15:47 |
| micahg | I thought for the PPU/packagesets where it wasn't coupled, they would have to ask explicitly | 15:47 |
| bdmurray | Okay, and the way I read Laney's email is that we will asume they want to be considered for membership. | 15:48 |
| micahg | right, that seems to be his position | 15:49 |
| cyphermox | that's the way I read it too | 15:49 |
| bdmurray | But the two things aren't coupled together. | 15:50 |
| micahg | well, for some they were (flavor & kernel packagesets, MOTU/core-dev) | 15:50 |
| cyphermox | so, voting? | 15:53 |
| cyphermox | #vote Should uploaders be granted Ubuntu membership by default | 15:54 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Should uploaders be granted Ubuntu membership by default | 15:54 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 15:54 |
| micahg | -1 | 15:54 |
| meetingology | -1 received from micahg | 15:54 |
| micahg | wait | 15:54 |
| micahg | that should be a little more narrow, no? | 15:54 |
| micahg | Should PPU/certain packagesets be granted Ubuntu membership by default? | 15:54 |
| cyphermox | no, we should reject Laney's proposition explicitly, I think | 15:55 |
| micahg | ok | 15:55 |
| cyphermox | or I can close the voting, reject, and we reconvene and further specify it? | 15:55 |
| cyphermox | I'm +0, btw, because it should be more specific; this depends on packagesets/packages | 15:56 |
| bdmurray | Are we saying the vote subject is about what is in the iki page? | 15:56 |
| micahg | you're right, we should vote on what was proposed since the proponent isn't here | 15:56 |
| micahg | we can then vote on follow up pieces if we want | 15:56 |
| cyphermox | bdmurray: the vote subject probably should be the specific thing Laney added as a topic? | 15:57 |
| bdmurray | the email he links to says "it's about whether we | 15:57 |
| bdmurray | should give these applicants membership implicitly and only use our | 15:57 |
| bdmurray | right to not give membership when it is needed." | 15:57 |
| cyphermox | it's super unclear, that's the problem | 15:57 |
| bdmurray | alright | 15:58 |
| cyphermox | it's a case-by-case basis and we're trying to codify that | 15:58 |
| cyphermox | +0 | 15:58 |
| meetingology | +0 received from cyphermox | 15:58 |
| cyphermox | xnox: ? | 15:58 |
| bdmurray | I feel like this has been outstanding for quite some time. | 15:58 |
| cyphermox | bdmurray: yes | 15:58 |
| cyphermox | bdmurray: I'm not against voting on the specific cases now | 15:59 |
| cyphermox | or if everyone agrees that Laney meant what we were saying before | 15:59 |
| cyphermox | (basically, that we give it by default, unless we have a reason not to (ie. not sustained) | 15:59 |
| bdmurray | I don't want to make that assumption. | 15:59 |
| * bdmurray spoke too soon | 16:00 | |
| cyphermox | bdmurray: I understand what you mean | 16:00 |
| cyphermox | xnox: bdmurray: are you voting or do you think we should refine it first? | 16:02 |
| xnox | i'm for: contributing, motu, core -> implies membership. the rest do not. | 16:04 |
| cyphermox | xnox: that's a strong -1 then, and PPU/packageset requesters should apply for contributing explicitly? | 16:05 |
| xnox | yeah. | 16:05 |
| bdmurray | I guess it needs some refining. | 16:05 |
| cyphermox | ok, let's see if we can convey this properly in the logs | 16:05 |
| cyphermox | #endvote | 16:05 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Should uploaders be granted Ubuntu membership by default | 16:05 |
| meetingology | Votes for:0 Votes against:1 Abstentions:1 | 16:05 |
| meetingology | Motion denied | 16:05 |
| cyphermox | #rejected | 16:05 |
| cyphermox | should we refine this now? have we already done so and vote on a different, more specific topic? | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | I think Laney should be involved in the refinement. | 16:09 |
| cyphermox | ok, then | 16:11 |
| cyphermox | #action cyphermox to update wiki for refinement of Laney's proposition | 16:11 |
| meetingology | ACTION: cyphermox to update wiki for refinement of Laney's proposition | 16:11 |
| cyphermox | #topic AOB? | 16:11 |
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| cyphermox | anyone has something else to discuss today? | 16:12 |
| bdmurray | nope | 16:13 |
| cyphermox | ok | 16:13 |
| cyphermox | #topic Chair selection for the next meeting | 16:13 |
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| cyphermox | micahg: your turn according to the wiki list | 16:13 |
| cyphermox | unless you know you won't be there | 16:13 |
| micahg | ok :) | 16:13 |
| micahg | no, I should be there | 16:14 |
| cyphermox | #action micahg to chair next meeting | 16:14 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg to chair next meeting | 16:14 |
| micahg | which reminds me, I need to send the doodle poll for meeting times | 16:14 |
| micahg | might as well action that.. | 16:14 |
| cyphermox | #action micahg to send doodle poll for meeting times | 16:14 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg to send doodle poll for meeting times | 16:14 |
| micahg | thanks :) | 16:14 |
| cyphermox | #endmeeting | 16:14 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Oct 26 16:14:39 2015 UTC. | 16:14 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-10-26-15.31.moin.txt | 16:14 |
| cyphermox | thanks everyone :) | 16:14 |
| mdeslaur | \o | 16:33 |
| tyhicks | hello | 16:33 |
| jjohansen | o/ | 16:33 |
| tyhicks | #startmeeting | 16:33 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Oct 26 16:33:48 2015 UTC. The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 16:33 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 16:33 |
| tyhicks | The meeting agenda can be found at: | 16:33 |
| tyhicks | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting | 16:34 |
| jdstrand | hello | 16:34 |
| tyhicks | [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report | 16:34 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Weekly stand-up report | ||
| tyhicks | jdstrand: you're up | 16:34 |
| jdstrand | I'm working on the various tasks for click-apparmor and policy for xenial | 16:34 |
| jdstrand | I'm then going to be working on cleaning up snappy policy generation | 16:35 |
| jdstrand | and some review tools updates | 16:35 |
| jdstrand | that's it for me | 16:35 |
| jdstrand | mdeslaur: you're up | 16:35 |
| mdeslaur | I'm on bug triage this week | 16:36 |
| mdeslaur | I just released mysql updates | 16:36 |
| mdeslaur | and I have an embargoed issue to test | 16:36 |
| mdeslaur | after that, I have some ntp updates to test properly and release | 16:36 |
| mdeslaur | and will go down the list after that | 16:36 |
| mdeslaur | that's pretty much it | 16:36 |
| mdeslaur | sbeattie: , you're up | 16:36 |
| sbeattie | I'm on cve triage this week | 16:36 |
| sbeattie | I'm finishig testing the openjdk-7 update | 16:37 |
| sbeattie | I'm also working on the gcc pie patches | 16:38 |
| sbeattie | I have some yak shaving to finish up for xenial opening and to prep for the sprint | 16:38 |
| sbeattie | that's pretty much it for my week, though I'm hoping to pick up another update as well | 16:39 |
| sbeattie | tyhicks: you're it | 16:39 |
| tyhicks | I'm in the happy place this week | 16:39 |
| tyhicks | I need to do some sprint prep | 16:39 |
| tyhicks | I'm in the middle of the Mir attestable timestamps and mapplauncherd reviews | 16:40 |
| tyhicks | and still hoping to get to AppArmor kernel fix reviews | 16:40 |
| tyhicks | helping out with the update backlog would be good, too | 16:40 |
| tyhicks | jjohansen: you're up | 16:40 |
| jjohansen | I still working on the kernel patches for apparmor stacking | 16:41 |
| jjohansen | I will also have some sprint prep this week | 16:41 |
| jjohansen | and I should get the 4.3 apparmor patch tree in order so its ready for 4.3 when in lands | 16:42 |
| jjohansen | thats it for me sarnold you're up | 16:42 |
| sarnold | I'm on community this week; there's a few xenial-open tasks held over fro mlast week, perhaps embargoed updates to work on, and a long list of apparmor kernel patches to review | 16:43 |
| sarnold | also of course some sprint preperation | 16:44 |
| sarnold | I think that's it for me, chrisccoulson? | 16:44 |
| tyhicks | he had to step away | 16:45 |
| tyhicks | we'll move on | 16:45 |
| tyhicks | [TOPIC] Highlighted packages | 16:45 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Highlighted packages | ||
| tyhicks | The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so. | 16:45 |
| tyhicks | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved. | 16:45 |
| tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/radare2.html | 16:45 |
| tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ruby-jquery-rails.html | 16:45 |
| tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/async-http-client.html | 16:45 |
| tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php-mail.html | 16:45 |
| tyhicks | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/k4dirstat.html | 16:45 |
| tyhicks | [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions | 16:45 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Miscellaneous and Questions | ||
| tyhicks | Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss? | 16:46 |
| tyhicks | jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold: Thanks! | 16:48 |
| tyhicks | #endmeeting. | 16:48 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Oct 26 16:48:14 2015 UTC. | 16:48 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-10-26-16.33.moin.txt | 16:48 |
| jjohansen | thanks tyhicks | 16:48 |
| sbeattie | tyhicks: thanks! | 16:48 |
| mdeslaur | thanks tyhicks | 16:49 |
| sarnold | thanks tyhicks | 16:49 |
| jdstrand | thanks tyhicks :) | 16:49 |
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