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[04:46]  * Guest42341 What a fine day for science! 
[04:57] <nhaines> Science!  \o/
[06:23] <gurucubano> Hello, Good Morning
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> gurucubano: morning mate
[06:31] <mokmeister> gurucubano: good morning!
[07:27] <dholbach> good morning
[07:39] <sturmflut2> Good morning!
[07:40] <svij> morning sturmflut2
[07:41] <sturmflut2> Has silo 22 already landed in rc-proposed?
[07:42] <jibel> sturmflut2, yes it landed last Friday and should be on today's rc-proposed build.
[07:43] <sturmflut2> Woohoo! Where is my SlimPort adapter ;)
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[08:12] <marcus> hi all. i have read about unity 8 being ready for tests on 15.10 so I would like to ask how to install it.
[08:18] <JMD> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8Desktop
[08:19] <JMD> to add it use this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[08:21] <marcus> hmm, i thought i could just run it directly
[08:21] <marcus> can't i install unity8-desktop-session-mir and access it from lightdm?
[08:25] <JMD> You can download a live image here but the recomended way is to update a system running Utopic to Wily
[08:26] <JMD> sorry not update but to add as an alternate session
[08:27] <arsson> Hello! i have this http://www.gsmarena.com/lenovo_tab_2_a10_70-7089.php and i'm wondering if it could swallow "ubuntu-touch" or "phablet" easyly included instructions?
[08:27] <JMD> live iso here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8DesktopIso
[08:36] <JMD> @arson. Don't think it's been ported to that device, but I could be wrong
[08:40] <arsson> JMD Well i was just kinda hoping but thanks and let me know if you are wrong :)
[08:56] <marcus> JMD, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/ does not seem to exist anymore
[08:57] <nhaines> They stopped building daily desktop-next images before 15.04 came out.
[09:05] <marcus> i have now tried to install unity8 and unity8-desktop-session-mir on 15.10 and at least a new session for unity 8 appeared in lightdm
[09:05] <nhaines> Ooh, a new daily update for Ubuntu on my Nexus 7!
[09:05]  * nhaines dances in his desk chair.
[09:05] <marcus> sadly i got logged out immediately
[09:06] <nhaines> marcus: what video drivers are you using?
[09:06] <marcus> testing on virtualbox
[09:06] <marcus> maybe i should install guest additions first
[09:06] <nhaines> You can try.  I'm not certain Mir works on VirtualBox at all.
[09:10] <marcus> ok. should it work on an intel gpu?
[09:11] <nhaines> Ought to.  Or even AMD or nvidia GPUs with open drivers, if I recall.  I haven't had a chance to work with it in a ong while.
[09:11] <nhaines> long while.
[09:17] <popey> mir does not work in vbox, only intel and nouveau I believe
[09:19] <duflu> popey: anpok_ got it working (in a limited sense) a while back... I think?
[09:19] <popey> cool!
[09:19] <duflu> Might be wrong. It's not generalised software rendering but limited to QXL
[09:19] <duflu> Something like that
[09:21] <duflu> Also, the Ubuntu emulator is Qemu-based(?). So there's that
[09:23] <oSoMoN> popey, does your youtube app use the keep-display-on policy?
[09:23] <popey> probably not, no
[09:23] <popey> I should do.
[09:24] <oSoMoN> it probably should, yes :)
[09:24] <marcus> at least it does not seem to work in virtualbox here ;)
[09:24] <marcus> going to try on real hardware next
[09:25] <popey> oSoMoN, got a suggestion of an app which does this already?
[09:25] <oSoMoN> popey, IIRC some GPS navigation apps do, although I don’t have names
[09:25] <popey> ah okay, will look
[09:36] <sturmflut2> Hmmm, unity8-lxc-setup no longer worked for me a while ago (endless loop while building the container) and now it tries to download a control file that doesn't exist.
[09:36] <sturmflut2> Seems the whole http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/ directory structure is gone
[09:46] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy OK Corral Day! 😃
[09:48] <sturmflut2> JamesTait: Good morning!
[09:50] <justCarakas> o/ JamesTait
[09:51] <JamesTait> sturmflut2, justCarakas: 👋
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[09:58] <sturmflut2> Ha, finally got around to building glmark2 against OTA-7
[10:14] <sturmflut2> Does the Unity8 LXC container still work? Last time I tried a couple of weeks ago it was stuck in a loop unpacking the ISO image, and now it tries to download non-existing files. The whole http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-desktop-next/daily-live/ directory seems to be gone.
[10:19] <Guest42341> sturmflut2, yeah it's like they intentionally make it harder for people to test unity8
[10:20] <popey> sturmflut2, probably ask in -mir when chris is about, he maintained it
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[10:21] <sturmflut2> Guest42341: Nah, nothing intentional about it. Just stupid bugs that need to be squashed.
[10:37] <popey> oSoMoN, okay, pushed a new youtube app which keeps the display on, thanks!
[10:39] <oSoMoN> popey, cheers
[11:08] <marcus> that's strange because it is officially announced as one of the features: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/10/22/whats-new-in-ubuntu-15-10-desktop-and-devices/
[11:08] <marcus> "In 15.10, Unity8 is demonstrating Canonical’s convergence vision as a tech preview.  Users can log into a Unity8 session on the desktop, experience the new features, and cleanly revert to the default Unity7 experience. "
[11:08] <nhaines> marcus: sure, and it works perfectly on supported hardware.
[11:09] <nhaines> And on non-supported hardware, it causes no problems and can be cleanly uninstalled.
[11:10] <marcus> ah, okay
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[11:28] <pitti> Saviq: FYI, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#qtmir is FTBFS in xenial (see failed i386 test result)
[11:29] <Saviq> pitti, oh :/ checking
[11:29] <pitti> Saviq: thanks!
[11:29] <Saviq> ugh
[11:33] <pitti> Saviq: looks hard/odd?
[11:33] <Saviq> pitti, ld assertion error indeed
[11:34] <pitti> urgh
[11:34] <Saviq> trying to repro locally
[11:35] <pitti> Saviq: new binutils and gcc-5 are already in xenial, so you should be able to repro in a xenial chroot without -proposed; if it works there, enable -proposed
[11:35] <Saviq> pitti, yup, doing
[11:35] <Saviq> pitti, seems it only got to -proposed because it was a bincopy from wily/overlay
[11:35] <Saviq> I mean that's why we didn't see it before
[11:35] <pitti> Saviq: yes, slangasek did a mass copy right after opening xenial
[11:35] <pitti> so the train couldn't have caught it
[11:36] <Saviq> yup
[11:36] <pitti> Saviq: i. e. this wasn't meant as "you broke it", but I think you are still the best person to have a look
[11:36] <Saviq> ack
[11:37] <pitti> Saviq: this might very well be a binutils regression and thus something for doko/upstream, but for that it would greatly help to find a smaller reproducer
[11:37]  * pitti goes back to fix more test regressions, so much fun at a new release :)
[11:37] <Saviq> :)
[11:38] <sturmflut2> pitti: Thanks for all the hard work you're doing, BTW.
[11:38] <pitti> sturmflut2: *blush*, thanks!
[11:38] <pitti> likewise!
[11:39] <pitti> it's a fun juggling between fighting broken clouds, breaking tests, and breaking packages :)
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[12:18] <Saviq> pitti, so yeah, qtmir can't be rebuilt in xenial (no proposed involved)
[12:21] <Saviq> bug #1510067
[12:21] <ubot5> bug 1510067 in binutils (Ubuntu) "qtmir rebuild fails with "assertion fail ../../bfd/elf32-i386.c:5245"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510067
[12:40] <jhodapp> rvr, hey just want to make sure you're clear...for testing silo 15 just check to make sure there are no regressions
[12:40] <rvr> jhodapp: Ack
[12:40] <jhodapp> rvr, until music-app is fully ready and using the bg playlist functionality, it doesn't make sense for you to try to use it to test anything as you'll most certainly find bugs
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[12:57] <popey> sturmflut2, <ChrisTownsend> popey: Yes, I've been working on it since last week.  I have a new version in https://launchpad.net/~unity8-desktop-session-team/+archive/ubuntu/unity8-preview-lxc/+packages and I'm working out details to get a release into xenial.
[13:21] <mcphail> nhaines: I tried the unity8 desktop a coulpe of weeks ago on Wily, and it broke my system
[13:21] <mcphail> nhaines: does it work properly now?
[13:22] <sturmflut2> popey: Ah, thanks!
[13:23] <seb128> mcphail, what sort of issue? that's not known, how did you install it?
[13:23] <mcphail> seb128: I think I installed via "ubuntu-desktop-next", or whatever the metapackage was called
[13:24] <seb128> mcphail, that's not unity8, that was the binary to create a snappy image and incompatible with debs, that binary was removed before wily
[13:24] <seb128> mcphail, you want unity8-desktop-session-mir
[13:25] <mcphail> seb128: Maybe that was the one. I'd asked on IRC what metapackage was current
[13:25] <seb128> mcphail, k, can't help you if you don't know what you installed
[13:25] <seb128> but it should work
[13:25] <seb128> if it didn't for you you should have opened a bug
[13:26] <mcphail> seb128: I might try again. It pulled in a bluetooth package which failed to be configured (I don't have bluetooth on the machine) with a trail of broken dependencies as a result. It messed up my grub.conf, leaving me with a text console
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[13:27] <seb128> mcphail, that was likely ubuntu-desktop-next then
[13:27] <seb128> which was removed
[13:27] <mcphail> aah. My fault, then
[13:27] <seb128> you want unity8-desktop-session-mir
[13:27] <mcphail> Cheers!
[13:27] <seb128> also the bluetooth issue was resolved before wily release
[13:28] <mcphail> good to hear.
[13:28]  * mcphail will uninstall the nvidia drivers and try it out
[13:36] <doko> Saviq, pitti: known. https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=19171
[13:36] <ubot5> sourceware.org bug 19171 in ld "[Regression] ld assertion fail ../../bfd/elf32-i386.c:5245 on i686-linux-gnu" [Normal,New]
[13:38] <Saviq> doko, ack
[13:39] <Saviq> doko, shall I do anything with the LP bug or will you take care/dupe it?
[13:40] <doko> which one?
[13:41] <matv1> is anyone getting feedback from people that soundquality on the other end of the phone is very poor on Mako?
[13:44] <matv1> is that still some android driver that needs to be manually upgraded? I seem to recall something like that from way back when..
[14:00] <dobey> matv1: flashing the newer 4.4 radio firmware reportedly fixed it.
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[14:11] <marcus> i have now installed it on real hardware with intel gpu and it works perfectly. thanks nhaines
[14:37] <matv1> dobey thanks I do remember that now. I shelved my Mako a long time ago and started using it again recently. I believe that I did do that 4.4 upgrade before I first flashed to UT.
[14:38] <matv1> Is there a way to check from ubuntu if that  firmware version is in place?
[14:44] <dobey> matv1: i think you have to reboot to fastboot and it tells you the radio fw version there
[14:48] <matv1> dobey ah cheers i will try that.
[14:50] <Saviq> doko, oh sorry, missed your question: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510067
[14:50] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 1510067 in qtmir (Ubuntu) "qtmir rebuild fails with "assertion fail ../../bfd/elf32-i386.c:5245"" [Undecided,New]
[15:10] <matv1> dobey all I see is a baseband-version. No specific radio firmware version. Should I be able to deduce my radio firmware version from the baseband?
[15:11] <dobey> matv1: i think they are the same thing?
[15:13] <dobey> matv1: occam-ktu84p/radio-mako-m9615a-cefwmazm-2.0.1701.03.img
[15:17] <matv1> dobey yes mine says the same: m9615a-cefwmazm-2.0.1701.03
[15:18] <matv1> So I should be good on the firmware right?
[15:18] <qruology> hello, I saw a mailing list post from few months ago about testing the wifi tether feature; did it ever make it into any channels? Or am I missing something obvious? I'm on mako 272 and on rc-proposed channel and I don't see it in cellular settings.
[15:18] <dobey> matv1: that's the last version from the 4.4 series of android, yeah
[15:19] <dobey> qruology: wifi tether is blacklisted on mako because it doesn't work there
[15:19] <matv1> hmm which makes my poor sound on the other end what? an ofono bug?
[15:20] <dobey> no idea
[15:21] <qruology> dobey: thank you
[15:21] <dobey> matv1: is it better if you use a headset instead of the internal mic/speaker?
[15:22] <matv1> dobey are you thinking of a bad mic on my device?
[15:24] <dobey> matv1: no. could be many things. just asking for another point of data. a headset will tell you if it's more likely an echo issue as a result of feedback
[15:26] <matv1> dobey I see. I will investigate further. dont have a headset handy. never use one.
[15:26] <matv1> dobey thanks for thinking with me
[15:27] <dobey> matv1: if you have any headphones, just plug them in and try with that
[15:27] <dobey> matv1: i guess you might be able to leave yourself a voicemail to test :)
[15:28] <matv1> dobey that I could try. hang on :)
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[15:43] <matv1> dobey hmm my voicemail sounds fine to me. with headphones connected.
[15:45] <dobey> matv1: if you leave a voicemail without, do you hear any issues?
[15:45] <matv1> already on it :)
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[15:47] <matv1> dobey that does seem worse yes.
[15:48] <matv1> so its a feedback loop issue?
[15:48] <matv1> thats weird
[15:48] <dobey> matv1: ok. i'd suggest opening a bug and including that information in the bug description. maybe against ofono or pulseaudio
[15:51] <matv1> dobey I will do that. cheers
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> matv1: wich device on wich channel is this mate?
[15:55] <matv1> lotuspsychje on Mako stable channel latest updates(OTA7)
[15:56] <matv1> why?
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> matv1:  im just interested in different issues on different devices
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[15:58] <matv1> ah I see :) So do you or dobey know if there were any significant changes to pulseaudio across OTA7?
[15:59] <matv1> off the top of your heads? I could dive into the changelogs myself
[15:59] <dobey> no
[15:59] <matv1> no as in no changes of no idea :) ?
[16:00] <dobey> i don't think there were any changes to pulseaudio, but i don't watch for changes to everything in the image either
[16:00] <dobey> but this is also a long standing issue, so i doubt that anything in ota7 itself is the problem
[16:01] <dobey> you can downgrade to the previous image and see if it has the same issues too, i guess
[16:02] <matv1> dobey true. I might have to do that.
[16:02] <matv1> actualy not that big a deal
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[18:16] <slangasek> Saviq, pitti: fwiw there was a similar build failure of fwupdate in xenial, this is looking like a binutils regression on i386 to me
[18:18] <slangasek> Saviq, pitti: and I hear that a new binutils has been uploaded already that fixes this
[18:19] <slangasek> so we just need to retry the qtmir test
[18:19] <Saviq> slangasek, doko already pointed at https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=19171
[18:19] <ubot5> sourceware.org bug 19171 in ld "[Regression] ld assertion fail ../../bfd/elf32-i386.c:5245 on i686-linux-gnu" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[18:19] <slangasek> ok grand :)
[18:19] <Saviq> and if the fix's already uploaded then indeed a retry should work
[18:20] <ahayzen> robru, Hey I was told you would be best to look at this. I was trying to install Jim's silo 015 to test earlier via the citrain, and it decided to remove unity8 along with other things! I have reported bug 1510204 detailing what happened, is this due to me having an old (vivid) phablet-tools or is this a bug in the citrain, as this happens alot on the silos we are working on
[18:20] <ubot5> bug 1510204 in phablet-tools (Ubuntu) "citrain decides to remove unity8, ubuntu-touch and various other packages instead of installing the silo packages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1510204
[18:20] <doko> Saviq, slangasek: still building
[18:20] <Saviq> ahayzen, what's your citrain version?
[18:20] <ahayzen> Saviq, 1.1+15.04.20150330-0ubuntu1
[18:21] <Saviq> ahayzen, yeah, that's old, there's a new version that fixes those issues
[18:21]  * ahayzen is likely to update to Wily over the next few days so it may be fixed there :-)
[18:21] <Saviq> ahayzen, available in vivid overlay, for example
[18:21] <ahayzen> Saviq, ah cool :-) no more manual apt pinning \o/
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[18:43] <robru> ahayzen: even the version in wily is old and bad, you need either to update to xenial or get the latest phablet-tools-citrain from phablet-team/tools ppa or sdk ppa
[18:43] <ahayzen> robru, ah ok thanks :-)
[18:44] <robru> ahayzen: you're welcome
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> WolfiWolfi: have you fixxed your one issue?
[19:16] <mterry> barry, you work on system-image, eh?  I'm looking at updating the animation used when flashing devices, and am trying to estimate how long a given update will take.  I assume it scales roughly linearly with image delta size?  Where is the image delta file on disk?  I see us running "/sbin/system-image-upgrader /cache/recovery/command" to do the actual work...  Where is that code?
[19:16] <kevie> hi folks :)
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> hi kevie
[19:18] <kevie> Just wondering if there is a way to sync the calendar on Ubuntu Touch with a client like Thunderbird?
[19:18] <barry> mterry: let me describe si client 3.0.2 which should be what's in the next ota.  if you look in /etc/system-image/config.d you'll see a bunch of numbered .ini files.  they are read in numeric order ignoring the suffix, with later settings overriding earlier settings
[19:20] <barry> mterry: the data files are in [updater]cache_partition which is /android/cache/recovery by default.  the ubuntu_command file contains the commands that recovery will execute and they name the data files that will get unpacked
[19:21] <barry> mterry: the code is in https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image?h=master
[19:21] <WolfiWolfi> lotuspsychie: no, i'm sorry. i don't have an idea how i can solve this problem...
[19:21] <barry> the manpages have lots of details, and just ping me if you have questions about the tree
[19:22] <mterry> barry, ok... will check it all out and bother you again later  :)
[19:22] <barry> mterry: :)  no bother, of course!
[19:22] <mterry> barry, in an unrelated note, doko poked me about duplicity and python3.  Are we making another python3 push for 16.04?
[19:23] <barry> mterry: yes.  we all want python2 off the default installs
[19:23] <barry> and we're going to make a big push for this for xenial
[19:23] <mterry> barry, I wasn't planning to spend personal time on duplicity's port, but if we are serious about xenial, I can talk to my manager for work time
[19:24] <barry> mterry: yes, that would be excellent.  i'm happy to help as well, but i'm unfamiliar with the code
[19:24]  * dobey wonders what will happen with s-c in that respect
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> here's a question for you devs: me and WolfiWolfi had a weird ubuntu ONE account issue: installing something resulted in a ONE account loop saying there occured an error, resetting phone didnt help making new account neither, both happened on BQ 4.5 and meizu
[19:24] <mterry> barry, yeah I figure my familiarity with the code would make me almost as fast as you with your python-ninja skills  :)
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> my error is gone now, but i dont know what solved it
[19:25] <dobey> lotuspsychje: what is in ~/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log when it happens?
[19:25] <barry> dobey: it's been ages, but if s-c is going to be kept (there are perennial rumors to the contrary) then iirc mvo did a python3 port but it got stuck on xapian.  but i think xapian has also been ported to py3 so maybe that's not a blocker any more
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> WolfiWolfi: can you check what dobey asks?
[19:25] <WolfiWolfi> ok, just a moment
[19:26] <barry> mterry: together we are invincible! :)
[19:26] <dobey> barry: ubuntu-sso-client isn't python3 either (as is not a lot of stuff it requires)
[19:26] <WolfiWolfi> no, xcuse me, but i don't have more the app to show this
[19:26] <barry> yep
[19:26] <dobey> barry: would be nice to just get rid of ubuntu-sso-client though
[19:26] <barry> yep
[19:28] <WolfiWolfi> lotuspsychje: how i can see what is in this folder?
[19:29] <lotuspsychje> WolfiWolfi: its a logfile, from terminal i think
[19:29] <WolfiWolfi> i don't have the terminal, i need ubuntu one to download it
[19:30] <lotuspsychje> dobey: ok i have it from logviewer app, what am i looking for?
[19:31] <dobey> lotuspsychje: i need to see the logs
[19:31] <dobey> WolfiWolfi: you can use phablet-shell with developer mode enabled on the phone, to view the logs over ssh
[19:31] <doko> dobey, are you volunteering for a s-c port? ;)
[19:31] <dobey> lotuspsychje: but more importantly, if you can't recreate the issue, your logs aren't going to have useful info
[19:31] <dobey> doko: no
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> dobey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12973069/
[19:32] <doko> barry, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/823254 is up to date. all deps are at least available
[19:32] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 823254 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Port to python3" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:32] <lotuspsychje> dobey: this issue is solved on my bq, so only WolfiWolfi still has it
[19:33] <barry> doko: cool.
[19:33] <dobey> lotuspsychje: then WolfiWolfi needs to recreate the issue and send me the log correlated to the issue happening
[19:33] <lotuspsychje> dobey: ok
[19:34] <lotuspsychje> WolfiWolfi: can you try what dobey asks?
[19:35] <WolfiWolfi> hm... i'm not an expert on ubuntu, sorry. how i can recreate the issue?
[19:35] <dobey> WolfiWolfi: trying to install apps from the store
[19:36] <mterry> barry, how can I get my phone in the state that on next reboot it would flash, but not to automatically reboot?  (i.e. I want to inspect the system with all the image update files in place)
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> WolfiWolfi: he means make same error happen on your phone, so we can see the logs whats happening
[19:37] <barry> mterry: use system-image-cli -g
[19:37] <barry> (-g == --no-apply)
[19:37] <mterry> barry, ah great
[19:37] <mterry> barry, I should learn to try --help first  ;)
[19:37] <barry> mterry: and man :)
[19:38] <WolfiWolfi> dobey: i can't install apps from the store because i need the ubuntu one account. but something will not accept it
[19:39] <dobey> WolfiWolfi: i don't understand what you mean. it keeps asking you to log in, showing the "go to accounts" button, when you try to install apps, no?
[19:39] <WolfiWolfi> yes
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> popey: would this be usefull in topic? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Avengers
[19:41] <dobey> WolfiWolfi: then, go to the store scope, try to install an app or two a few times, and then with developer mode enabled, plug your phone into your PC with USB, and "adb pull ~/.cache/upstart/scope-registry.log" and pastebin it or something, making sure there's no private data being shown in it first, so i can see it
[19:43] <tathhu> doko, snapchat? :P
[19:49] <WolfiWolfi> dobey, i don't have ubuntu on my pc :-/
[19:50] <dobey> WolfiWolfi: do you have the android developer tools installed?
[19:50] <WolfiWolfi> on the smartphone?
[19:51] <dobey> no, on your PC
[19:51] <WolfiWolfi> no, what i have to install?
[19:51] <WolfiWolfi> what's the name of the tool?
[19:51] <pmcgowan> WolfiWolfi, just for grins, is the time on your phone set properly?
[19:51] <dobey> oh, i don't know for other platforms
[19:51] <WolfiWolfi> yes pcmgowan
[19:51] <pmcgowan> ok seem you went there already
[19:52] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: would that influence ONE account?
[19:52] <dobey> WolfiWolfi: do you have virtualbox or something where you can run an ubuntu VM?
[19:52] <pmcgowan> yes, the server checks that the exchange is within a certain tie period
[19:52] <pmcgowan> time
[19:52] <dobey> lotuspsychje: possible, because oauth tokens are only valid for a short time period
[19:52] <pmcgowan> I think 15 mins
[19:52] <dobey> but unlikely
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> hmmm cant remember changing time before it got fixxed
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> just trying to think along
[19:53] <dobey> the phone has ntpd, so you'd basically have to not have network and actively have the time broken, and yet somehow still be able to connect to the server
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> it just dissapeared on me after few times trying to install apps
[19:53] <pmcgowan> or have it set to manual which was the case for someone last week
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: yes i set time manual
[19:54] <pmcgowan> lotuspsychje, if your time is more than 15 mins skewed from the server could cause problems
[19:57] <WolfiWolfi> pmcgowan: it was the solution! i changed the time-settings to "Automatisch" (automatically)
[19:57] <pmcgowan> aha
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: +11111
[19:57] <WolfiWolfi> lotuspsychje, no i can download apps!
[19:57] <dobey> huh
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> so i had time also to manual instead of automatic
[19:58] <dobey> i guess we'll have to do the crazy "get the time from the server" stuff on the phone too
[19:58] <pmcgowan> yeah
[19:58] <dobey> :(
[19:58] <pmcgowan> we talked about that last week
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> tnx for solving this guys
[19:58] <pmcgowan> great
[19:58] <pmcgowan> but why did this seem to happen to multiple phones
[19:58] <pmcgowan> all of a sudden
[19:58] <dobey> no idea
[19:58] <pmcgowan> something fishy
[19:59] <lotuspsychje> im on bq 4.5 and WolfiWolfi meizu
[20:00] <WolfiWolfi> thanks a lot from me too
[20:00] <pmcgowan> lotuspsychje, WolfiWolfi had you both set time to manual deliberately?
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan, dobey mine got solved without a reason also, time was still set to manual here
[20:02] <dobey> space goats
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> changing it right now doesnt influence anymore neither
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> i can download anything
[20:10] <pmcgowan> lotuspsychje, when did this first start?
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: hmm lemme think
[20:10] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: cant really bind an event to this... suddenly i had the account loop
[20:10] <pmcgowan> if its not today then its not due to  the time change
[20:10] <pmcgowan> which I dont think it is
[20:11] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: few weeks ago i had this issue
[20:11] <pmcgowan> ok
[20:11] <Drwd> Hello guys
[20:11] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: reset to defaults and making new account didnt help
[20:12] <pmcgowan> thats odd
[20:12] <Drwd> Check out your time zone
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: so after the reset, time gets back to automatic right?
[20:12] <pmcgowan> I would expect
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: its weird that wolfi's issue got fixxed by that then
[20:12] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: maybe its just a glitch in server sync as you say?
[20:13] <Drwd> Does someone can use the host-post?
[20:13] <pmcgowan> yeah deserves a bit more thought
[20:13] <lotuspsychje> pmcgowan: i hope you guys find it
[20:18] <lotuspsychje_> pmcgowan: i cant recreate it anymore, tryed both manual/automatic time after a reboot
[20:19] <lotuspsychje_> if it would happen again ill let you guys know
[20:20] <lotuspsychje_> pmcgowan: if it can help im from belgium and wolfi from germany
[20:20] <lotuspsychje_> laterz
[20:22] <Drwd> Anyone on here?
[20:22] <dobey> Drwd: not sure what you're asking
[20:23] <tathhu>  #ubuntu-touch: Total: 292 users
[20:23] <Drwd> Im asking about wifi host-post
[20:23] <tathhu> maybe
[20:23] <dobey> Drwd: you mean hotspot?
[20:23] <dobey> it works on the bq devices, and i think on the meizu mx4, afaik
[20:24] <dobey> it's not usable on mako (neuxs4) though
[20:25] <Drwd> I turn on the hostpost and it does not work
[20:25] <dobey> Drwd: on what device?
[20:25] <Drwd> BQ E 4.5
[20:27] <dobey> ok, i don't have one myself, so i can't really help much.
[20:27] <dobey> have you tried rebooting?
[20:27] <Drwd> Yup
[20:28] <Drwd> I am connected on wifi ok, then I turn on the hostpost
[20:29] <Drwd> I tried on samsung to use the free hostpost, I said connected but dont allow internet
[20:29] <Drwd> *It said connected
[20:29] <dobey> Drwd: you do have a sim card in the bq right?
[20:29] <Drwd> Yes, It wont be able with out sim.
[20:30] <Drwd> I think the hostpost is made to use with internet mobile right?
[20:31] <dobey> ok. should work if cellular data is connected and the hotspot is enabled
[20:31] <dobey> if it's not, please file a bug
[20:31] <Drwd> I want to use with wifi and not mobile data
[20:32] <dobey> i don't think you can do that
[20:32] <Drwd> You mean hospost only work with mobile data ?
[20:33] <tathhu> why would one use hotspot on phone with wifi? I assume it's for those moments when there's noe wifi for eg laptop..
[20:33] <dobey> yes i don't think it's usable as a wifi repeater
[20:34] <tathhu> usb tethering would be cool ~
[20:34] <Drwd> Lol
[20:34] <dobey> tathhu: you can turn it on, but it disables adb i think
[20:35] <Drwd> Ok i got u, then I am not able to share internet with wifi, only sim mobile.
[20:36] <dobey> i think so, yes.
[20:37] <dobey> it works to share the sim data right?
[20:38] <Drwd> Maybe, but I dont want to spend mobile data smh
[20:39] <Drwd> I want to make an AP on device to share and sniffe the wifi, but if im not able then it is ok.
[20:40] <dobey> ok, afaik, sharing wifi over wifi is not supported
[20:41] <Drwd> The problem is hardware or software?
[20:41] <dobey> i don't know. i didn't work on that feature
[20:42] <Drwd> Oh dont worry bro, I can feel that feeling.
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[21:12] <ahoneybun> someone should port Ubuntu touch to the new amazon tablet, 50 bucks!
[21:20] <dobey> ahoneybun: go for it
[21:21] <ahoneybun> XD
[21:21] <ahoneybun> I've no exp at that
[21:21] <drwd> Follow your heart
[21:22] <drwd> Did you unlock the bootloader?
[21:34] <SturmFlut> sverzegnassi: Ping
[21:41] <onla> hey. what is the name for the project or platform that was kind of like an OS for mobile and PC both
[21:42] <onla> there was a device coming with it this winter or smth maybe?
[21:43] <onla> or what is the word for the concept, that the OS is for mobile and touch and desktop
[21:44] <onla> ah.. http://liliputing.com/2015/05/ubuntu-phone-that-works-as-a-desktop-pc-coming-in-2015.html
[21:44] <onla> how is this going?
[21:44] <onla> ubuntu convergence
[21:45] <sverzegnassi> SturmFlut: o/
[21:53] <onla> is there a irc room for ubuntu convergence?
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[22:11] <OerHeks> hmm http://liliputing.com/2015/10/xiaomi-redmi-2-pro-smartphones-hits-the-fcc.html