| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| * m0nkey_ is about to live boot 15.10 | 01:04 | |
| m0nkey_ | wish me luck | 01:04 |
|---|---|---|
| daftykins | ooh you devil | 01:04 |
| m0nkey_ | Well, 14.04 and 15.04 caused my current computer to hang for about a minute after boot. Here's hoping 15.10 fixes that | 01:05 |
| m0nkey_ | ooh, it did | 01:06 |
| daftykins | weird | 01:06 |
| m0nkey_ | heh, been using freebsd too much | 01:07 |
| m0nkey_ | i'm trying to get into ports | 01:07 |
| m0nkey_ | lol | 01:07 |
| m0nkey_ | portsnap don't work in ubuntu :) | 01:07 |
| knightwise | morning peeps | 09:13 |
| popey | Pip pip | 09:14 |
| knightwise | hey popey , how are you | 09:14 |
| popey | Tickety boo, you? | 09:15 |
| knightwise | doin ok . Self employment is a busy enterprise :) | 09:17 |
| knightwise | but not complaining. Hoping to find the time to record a new podcast episode today | 09:17 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| diplo | Mornign all | 09:41 |
| diplo | morning* | 09:41 |
| knightwise | ey diplo | 09:43 |
| === adam___ is now known as kabads | ||
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy OK Corral Day! 😃 | 09:46 |
| bashrc | Is there a Not OK Corral? | 09:47 |
| === adam___ is now known as kabads | ||
| === adam__ is now known as kabads | ||
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 10:02 |
| === adam__ is now known as kabads | ||
| === adam__ is now known as kabads | ||
| diplo | Keyboard changed to US after upgrade to Wily :/ | 10:27 |
| diplo | Set to English UK though | 10:28 |
| awilkins | I kept getting that for a while | 10:28 |
| awilkins | I usually try and combat it by removing the US layout from the list entirely | 10:29 |
| diplo | Ah clicked on language support in settings and it says it's not installed completely | 10:29 |
| diplo | yeah isn\t there in mine | 10:29 |
| diplo | looks like tbird and libre updates though got yhsay | 10:30 |
| diplo | that* | 10:30 |
| awilkins | It's going to be a bigbang reinstall for me :-( | 10:30 |
| awilkins | Running 14.04 with a slightly convoluted partition table | 10:30 |
| awilkins | Windows 7 dual boot | 10:30 |
| awilkins | Have a nice new 500GB SSD that I want to benefit from | 10:31 |
| diplo | Going for reinstall on 16.04 | 10:31 |
| awilkins | So it's OS on the SSD + Intel RST caching for /home and G:\GAMES | 10:31 |
| awilkins | on the 2TB of spinning rust | 10:31 |
| awilkins | (well, not Intel RST for the Linux, bcache or something) | 10:32 |
| diplo | Mines my work machine, want to run VM's on it... | 10:32 |
| awilkins | Will have to upgrade Windows 7 to WIndows 10 as well | 10:33 |
| awilkins | Well, don't *have* to | 10:33 |
| diplo | Not doing that | 10:33 |
| awilkins | But if I'm bleaching the whole thing clean I may as well | 10:33 |
| diplo | Everything is set to UK | 10:33 |
| * diplo = stumped atm | 10:33 | |
| awilkins | diplo, Is there some implication of SSD caching / VM images? | 10:33 |
| awilkins | diplo, I had a thing where you had to flip the config to USA and back again, even if it was showing UK | 10:34 |
| diplo | ah right, don't have US on there, will add and change and back ta | 10:34 |
| diplo | awilkins: I use the machine as a desktop, running anymore than a few VM's kills it... trying to get a new machine and reinstall.. | 10:35 |
| awilkins | Ah | 10:35 |
| Myrtti_ | I was so baffled yesterday trying to figure out what the hell had happened to my vm | 10:35 |
| awilkins | I was going to get a new machine | 10:35 |
| diplo | Going to find whats best for running that many VM's, not sure how well SSD's take to being on a lot on a desktop machine | 10:35 |
| awilkins | THen I discovered that for gaming purposes my CPU is only 3-4% slower than the latest Intel Behemoth or whatever | 10:35 |
| awilkins | So I just shoved another 8GB of RAM and a 980Ti in it | 10:35 |
| awilkins | Now the only thing holding it's awesome monster-ness back is the slow IO on the spinning rust | 10:36 |
| awilkins | Running a Windows 7 VM with 2 cores and 4GB of RAM allocated, works like a charm | 10:37 |
| awilkins | You can get away with 256MB for most Linux server VMs that are just web toasters | 10:38 |
| awilkins | Hell, I think that's overkill for most of the tasks I have them running | 10:38 |
| awilkins | I'm running my Redmine instance on a RPi2 | 10:38 |
| awilkins | And the database on my NAS box (although it worked fine using sqlite locally on the RPi) | 10:39 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 10:50 |
| popey | Yo! | 10:52 |
| bigcalm | popey: cheeky | 10:53 |
| popey | wat? | 10:54 |
| bigcalm | Facebook comment. I guess I should have responded there | 10:54 |
| JohnHunt | https://t.co/we2U0HpvhS | 10:56 |
| JohnHunt | sorry, that's a shortlink | 10:56 |
| JohnHunt | history of ubuntu to date | 10:57 |
| JohnHunt | I remember using the first version :) | 10:57 |
| JohnHunt | I lost all interest when it went over to the unity interface | 10:57 |
| zmoylan-pi | then try xubuntu, works great for me | 10:59 |
| MartijnVdS | I've been installing Debian lately | 11:01 |
| MartijnVdS | minimal + cinnamon | 11:01 |
| bigcalm | JohnHunt: try http://ubuntu-mate.org/ - Mate is the forked continuation of Gnome2 | 11:14 |
| JohnHunt | cool | 11:40 |
| bigcalm | And pronounced Mar-tay, not mate | 11:42 |
| bigcalm | Which is an oddity | 11:42 |
| JohnHunt | lol | 11:43 |
| JohnHunt | my name is linus | 11:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | that'll help promote it... :-) | 11:43 |
| JohnHunt | and I pronounce linux linux | 11:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | and don't get me started on the eejit who pronounces gif as jif... | 11:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'll set a jorilla on his ass :-) | 11:48 |
| popey | haha, oddity that words from another language are pronounced differently | 11:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | https://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/English_hard_2learn.html | 12:00 |
| popey | http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_231265.html | 12:04 |
| popey | interesting device | 12:04 |
| zmoylan-pi | a lot of spec for not much money | 12:08 |
| MartijnVdS | With some free hidden apps, provided by the Chinese Government? | 12:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | the gchq/nsa ones will be installed when you connect to uk network | 12:12 |
| TwistedLucidity | popey: Very nice for the price, can't be any worse than HTC garbage | 12:21 |
| JohnHunt | looks good except the big promo thing says stuff such as "64BITS TURE OCTA CORE" | 12:25 |
| JohnHunt | Ture? | 12:25 |
| JohnHunt | does look good though | 12:26 |
| JohnHunt | apparently the battery isn't so good | 12:30 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's a smart phone, of course the battery is crap | 12:31 |
| TwistedLucidity | Shut it, Nokiaphile! :-) | 12:31 |
| * zmoylan-pi clubs TwistedLucidity with my nokia to silence his dissent... :-P | 12:32 | |
| * awilkins notes that zmoylan-pi's Nokia still works after clubbing TwistedLucidity to death with it | 12:47 | |
| zmoylan-pi | no problems with it what so ever. i did see a broken nokia screen last week but it took an encounter with a skip to break it | 12:48 |
| zmoylan-pi | plus the nokia has a battery life that lasts more that a day no matter what i do with it | 12:49 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| awilkins | Their candybar phones are basically the uberphone | 13:04 |
| awilkins | They are the best at being a phone | 13:04 |
| awilkins | It's everyone's insistence on carrying around a pocket computer with a phone function that's the problem for them... | 13:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | well i could use java ssh client on my nokia asha 302 to connect to rasp pi at home for full computer... | 13:06 |
| zmoylan-pi | like this... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/617691779622637568/photo/1 | 13:09 |
| awilkins | I question the "dumbness" of a phone with a full alphanumeric keypad and a colour LCD display with that many pixels | 13:12 |
| awilkins | This is a proper dumbphone http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/nokia-s-3310-the-greatest-phone-of-all-time-1287636 | 13:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's a phone that can only run 1 app with a few exceptions, mp3 player, fm radio etc. | 13:13 |
| MartijnVdS | awilkins: https://www.tumblr.com/search/3310 | 13:13 |
| Dave | the 3310 surely isn't that dumb, it has Snake | 13:14 |
| diplo | I still have my 3310 in my drawer | 13:14 |
| diplo | and a 6210 | 13:14 |
| diplo | My kids powered it on the other week, it *still* had charge :D | 13:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | your snake high scores were intact... | 13:15 |
| diplo | hehe, not sure I ever played it | 13:16 |
| diplo | tbh, no games on my smartphone either | 13:16 |
| zmoylan-pi | i have a very nice java sudoku for my nokia... | 13:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | AND a c64 AND a zx spectrum java emulator... | 13:17 |
| MartijnVdS | A c64 java emulator? | 13:17 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| zmoylan-pi | yup | 13:18 |
| MartijnVdS | So you can run slow Java programs even slower, and on a C64? :P | 13:18 |
| zmoylan-pi | if i want accss to real games :-) | 13:18 |
| diddledan | fun talk about timezones with a choice quote: "when I started in tech I didn't really have career goals. But if I did, one of them wouldn't have been increase political tension in a long-standing conflict in the middle east" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BdFg5JT9lg | 13:24 |
| MartijnVdS | ooh a new time zone video, not Tom Scott's :) | 13:29 |
| diddledan | I think I need to put socks on my feet - I'm cold | 13:35 |
| diddledan | yey for working from home :-p | 13:35 |
| zmoylan-pi | put on slippers and break out the cocoa. \o/ | 13:36 |
| * zmoylan-pi breaks out winter duvet as cold last night was a little much... | 13:40 | |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| diddledan | finally got around to purchasing an SPI-capable USB cable to attempt a bios/efi firmware recovery | 14:48 |
| diddledan | I wonder whether I'll be able to achieve it... | 14:50 |
| Myrtti_ | BusPirate? | 14:50 |
| diddledan | worth a shot tho, 'cos it's a dead mobo otherwies | 14:50 |
| diddledan | Myrtti_, an FTDI C232HM-DDHSL | 14:51 |
| diddledan | http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBMPSSE.htm | 14:51 |
| diddledan | I didn't buy off that site tho - I found a second-hand on ebay for a fiver | 14:51 |
| Myrtti_ | we got a BusPirate trying to get into an old laptop that had bios/efi password protected and the password forgotten | 14:52 |
| Myrtti_ | didn't get anywhere :-| | 14:52 |
| diddledan | :-( | 14:52 |
| Myrtti_ | BusPirate was nice tho, I used it as oscilloscope when I was doing my bouquet | 14:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | motherboard didn't have a reset jumper to flush? | 14:53 |
| diddledan | I don't expect laptops would have one of those | 14:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | they do but it's harder to get to | 14:54 |
| diddledan | the cable I just paid for is said to be compatible with http://www.flashrom.org/Flashrom which is why I went for it | 14:55 |
| daftykins | diddledan: what machine is it? | 16:01 |
| diddledan | daftykins, it's an MSI mobo | 16:01 |
| daftykins | o0 | 16:02 |
| daftykins | bleh overclockers.co.uk redesigned their site and removed the 'show excluding VAT' option :P | 16:02 |
| daftykins | that is highly frustrating | 16:02 |
| diddledan | they're encouraging mental arithmetic | 16:03 |
| diddledan | it's all part of the UK's new programme to improve the maths skills of the elderly | 16:03 |
| daftykins | ;) | 16:03 |
| daftykins | or us sarnians | 16:03 |
| awilkins | baconsarnians? | 16:05 |
| diddledan | the internet is claiming that bacon gives you cancer | 16:06 |
| awilkins | the internet gives you anxiety induced disorders | 16:07 |
| awilkins | Is there anyone in here who would recommend PHP? | 16:07 |
| diddledan | I like PHP | 16:07 |
| diddledan | I get paid to do PHP :-p | 16:08 |
| awilkins | Currently I'm getting paid to do PHP | 16:08 |
| daftykins | that good, huh? :) | 16:08 |
| awilkins | It's my second day of PHP. I'd rather be getting paid to do Python | 16:08 |
| awilkins | Or Ruby | 16:08 |
| awilkins | I hate Ruby and think it's a horrible little script kiddie language | 16:08 |
| awilkins | Basically been told to patch a PHP ticket tracker until it meets the specs | 16:09 |
| diddledan | I looked at ruby and didn't understand it | 16:09 |
| awilkins | My contention is that I can put up a Ruby ticket tracker that covers the requirements quicker | 16:09 |
| awilkins | Since I can set up this one I had in mind in an afternoon from scratch, I'm already right | 16:10 |
| awilkins | Whereas currently I'm struggling to find the bit I need to patch in this one | 16:10 |
| awilkins | Oh holy mentalist it's 173,000 lines of PHP | 16:11 |
| diddledan | :-o | 16:11 |
| awilkins | Wow | 16:11 |
| awilkins | The other system wins so hard | 16:11 |
| diddledan | redmine is the other system? :-p | 16:12 |
| awilkins | The PHP one is JUST a customer support ticket system | 16:12 |
| awilkins | osticket | 16:12 |
| awilkins | Redmine is the other system | 16:12 |
| awilkins | 115,000 lines of ruby | 16:12 |
| diddledan | yeah, redmine is good | 16:12 |
| awilkins | Including all the unit tests | 16:12 |
| awilkins | The UI and workflow on osticket are good for customer support. So naturally management want to use it to do change tracking. *s8gh* | 16:13 |
| daftykins | that's quite the difference | 16:13 |
| daftykins | then it's your job to persuade them toward seeing sense :D | 16:13 |
| awilkins | Tried that | 16:13 |
| awilkins | "We're already using osTicket" was the answer | 16:14 |
| awilkins | For 60 whole tickets | 16:14 |
| awilkins | Basically one step up from a shared Excel spready | 16:14 |
| daftykins | :| | 16:15 |
| daftykins | i've been asked to attend a meeting soon for some folk that are about to purchase a CRM system | 16:15 |
| awilkins | Yeah, well, I've only administered / transmogrified 5 separate ticket systems with tens of thousands of tickets, and used many more, what the hell do I know... | 16:15 |
| daftykins | i'm predicting the current local IT firm are going to be pushing something nasty like an MS SQL server backed product | 16:15 |
| diddledan | \o/ MS SQL! | 16:16 |
| awilkins | Ugh MSSQL | 16:16 |
| diddledan | we recently had to implement Drupal backed by MSSQL - it still isn't working right | 16:16 |
| awilkins | No.1 PITA when dealing with expensive enterprisey software is getting people to pay for extra instances for dev.... | 16:16 |
| awilkins | Even if it's just an MSDN license | 16:17 |
| awilkins | Then waiting for it to arrive | 16:17 |
| awilkins | And installing it | 16:17 |
| awilkins | When you can just sudo apt-get install <stuff> | 16:17 |
| awilkins | Even that Redmine instance completely ignoring the OS packages (because gem / bundler and Debian hate each other) | 16:18 |
| diddledan | we were told we MUST use MSSQL because they already had a cluster set up that they wanted to add our drupal install's DB into | 16:18 |
| daftykins | even if this competitor guy of mine says they'll be using SQL Express, that's jut not good in my mind | 16:18 |
| daftykins | *just | 16:19 |
| diddledan | I don't get SQL Express at all | 16:19 |
| awilkins | It's MSSQL only they set the "PRAGMA_CRIPPLE" flag when they compiled it | 16:19 |
| daftykins | i used it for the first time for some client that was contractually obligated to use some horrible facilities management product, i found it nasty - not that i knew what i was doing :D | 16:19 |
| awilkins | 10GB db limit | 16:20 |
| bashrc | guiding a user through installing things via the software centre, I've always wondered by the icon has an anarchy symbol on it | 16:20 |
| awilkins | 1 CPU / 4 core limit | 16:20 |
| awilkins | And the kicker, only allowed 1GB of RAM in process | 16:20 |
| daftykins | :D | 16:21 |
| daftykins | at least it doesn't require a windows server host, that would be cringeworthy | 16:21 |
| awilkins | Oh, and doesn't support compressed volumes | 16:21 |
| awilkins | Not that this matters when your data limit is 10GB | 16:22 |
| daftykins | i've not got a clue of any CRM products though so i don't know what to expect, this client just wants this other IT firm off this company because they are very expensive | 16:22 |
| awilkins | Consulting firms ALWAYS recommend expensive stuff | 16:22 |
| awilkins | I think it's to distract from their bill | 16:22 |
| awilkins | Or they get a kickback | 16:22 |
| daftykins | :D | 16:22 |
| awilkins | WE had one lot that came in recommending StarTeam | 16:23 |
| daftykins | their labour rate is £95/hr too | 16:23 |
| awilkins | £34,000 of licenses | 16:23 |
| daftykins | ouch! | 16:23 |
| awilkins | I said "No, I'll develop the prototype using the SVN server we have in house, ta." | 16:23 |
| awilkins | And then sacked off the SVN and used Bazaar instead | 16:23 |
| awilkins | Because the checkout time was 2 times faster | 16:23 |
| awilkins | Sorry, 6x - 24x faster (depending on version of Bazaar and whether your machine was a horrible corporate malware laden Windows box) | 16:24 |
| jpds | and considering git is 100x faster than bzr | 16:24 |
| daftykins | actual malware, or Windows hatred there? :) | 16:24 |
| awilkins | I'd use Git these days but the Windows port was too painful at the time | 16:25 |
| awilkins | daftykins, "Corporate malware" : software that makes the computer do the IT department's bidding instead of yours at the expense of your productivity | 16:25 |
| awilkins | In this case, the thing wot hashes every file you access was super fun and took a processing run in the software from about 90s to 14 minutes | 16:26 |
| daftykins | ah right | 16:26 |
| diddledan | what's the ubuntu project and/or canonical's stance on bazaar these days? | 16:26 |
| awilkins | Although the performance improvements I made over the original software were still not swallowed by that | 16:26 |
| daftykins | i just phoned overclockers.co.uk who confirmed they've regressed their site entirely to not handle VAT removal either in display or orders now ;) | 16:27 |
| awilkins | There's still some traffic on the bzr mailing list, and it still remains the official VCS of Launchpad and Ubuntu AFAIK | 16:27 |
| daftykins | nice work, there :> | 16:27 |
| diddledan | daftykins, that's sucky | 16:27 |
| diddledan | I saw a few months back that launchpad had experrymental git support | 16:30 |
| awilkins | HERESY!!!!! | 16:31 |
| awilkins | Nah, I liked Bazaar a lot but I wouldn't go back | 16:31 |
| diddledan | the problem I have with the various SCMs is that they're all equivalent to walled-gardens like the various mobile ecosystems are | 16:33 |
| awilkins | Bazaar tried to be all things (well, more things) and act as a git porcelain | 16:33 |
| awilkins | And the various fast-export things + reposurgeon are positive | 16:34 |
| awilkins | I do think the best route is to make Git easier and better at handling large files | 16:34 |
| popey | yeah, the git support should be fun in launchpad | 16:35 |
| diddledan | the accepted solution for large files in git seems to be to store them elsewhere | 16:35 |
| awilkins | Pretty much because it's diff handling doesn't do streams I think | 16:35 |
| awilkins | So it has to hold the whole file in RAM 2 or 3 times | 16:35 |
| awilkins | I still don't understand why e.g. Game Devs use Perforce and advocate so hard for it | 16:36 |
| diddledan | doesn't google use perforce? | 16:36 |
| awilkins | I remember seeing a blog post by the Star Citizen guys "Hey we turned on <topic branches>, aren't we all grown up" | 16:37 |
| awilkins | I just facepalmed.... you're supposed to be _pros_ why wasn't that feature on from day 1 and use of it enforced..... | 16:38 |
| awilkins | This was some time after a couple of alpha releases | 16:38 |
| awilkins | "Oh hey, we get regressions" OH I WONDER WHY | 16:38 |
| daftykins | :) | 16:39 |
| diddledan | http://www.cameronsworld.net/ | 17:15 |
| diddledan | geocities isn't dead! | 17:15 |
| bashrc | groovy | 17:16 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| foobarry | talktalk hack was allegedly a 15yr old boy | 20:39 |
| daftykins | heh | 20:40 |
| foobarry | from ulster | 20:40 |
| diddledan | I think it was the government and they're scapegoating a 15yr old boy :-p | 20:43 |
| daftykins | that there popey has an odd quit message | 22:12 |
| * arsenip pokes daftykins | 22:33 | |
| daftykins | ow | 22:33 |
| daftykins | hi | 22:33 |
| diddledan | I really wonder what an arse nip feels like | 22:35 |
| diddledan | it sounds painful | 22:35 |
| daftykins | i could lend you my cat for an answer | 22:37 |
| diddledan | lol | 22:37 |
| daftykins | nah she's not done that, she's more the one for slowly creeping up to the top edge of the bed sheets... extending a paw as far as she can reach then poking my face | 22:38 |
| daftykins | "hey... hey... HEY... hoo-man..." | 22:39 |
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