=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:04] * m0nkey_ is about to live boot 15.10 [01:04] wish me luck [01:04] ooh you devil [01:05] Well, 14.04 and 15.04 caused my current computer to hang for about a minute after boot. Here's hoping 15.10 fixes that [01:06] ooh, it did [01:06] weird [01:07] heh, been using freebsd too much [01:07] i'm trying to get into ports [01:07] lol [01:07] portsnap don't work in ubuntu :) [09:13] morning peeps [09:14] Pip pip [09:14] hey popey , how are you [09:15] Tickety boo, you? [09:17] doin ok . Self employment is a busy enterprise :) [09:17] but not complaining. Hoping to find the time to record a new podcast episode today === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:41] Mornign all [09:41] morning* [09:43] ey diplo === adam___ is now known as kabads [09:46] Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy OK Corral Day! 😃 [09:47] Is there a Not OK Corral? === adam___ is now known as kabads === adam__ is now known as kabads [10:02] morning boys and girls. === adam__ is now known as kabads === adam__ is now known as kabads [10:27] Keyboard changed to US after upgrade to Wily :/ [10:28] Set to English UK though [10:28] I kept getting that for a while [10:29] I usually try and combat it by removing the US layout from the list entirely [10:29] Ah clicked on language support in settings and it says it's not installed completely [10:29] yeah isn\t there in mine [10:30] looks like tbird and libre updates though got yhsay [10:30] that* [10:30] It's going to be a bigbang reinstall for me :-( [10:30] Running 14.04 with a slightly convoluted partition table [10:30] Windows 7 dual boot [10:31] Have a nice new 500GB SSD that I want to benefit from [10:31] Going for reinstall on 16.04 [10:31] So it's OS on the SSD + Intel RST caching for /home and G:\GAMES [10:31] on the 2TB of spinning rust [10:32] (well, not Intel RST for the Linux, bcache or something) [10:32] Mines my work machine, want to run VM's on it... [10:33] Will have to upgrade Windows 7 to WIndows 10 as well [10:33] Well, don't *have* to [10:33] Not doing that [10:33] But if I'm bleaching the whole thing clean I may as well [10:33] Everything is set to UK [10:33] * diplo = stumped atm [10:33] diplo, Is there some implication of SSD caching / VM images? [10:34] diplo, I had a thing where you had to flip the config to USA and back again, even if it was showing UK [10:34] ah right, don't have US on there, will add and change and back ta [10:35] awilkins: I use the machine as a desktop, running anymore than a few VM's kills it... trying to get a new machine and reinstall.. [10:35] Ah [10:35] I was so baffled yesterday trying to figure out what the hell had happened to my vm [10:35] I was going to get a new machine [10:35] Going to find whats best for running that many VM's, not sure how well SSD's take to being on a lot on a desktop machine [10:35] THen I discovered that for gaming purposes my CPU is only 3-4% slower than the latest Intel Behemoth or whatever [10:35] So I just shoved another 8GB of RAM and a 980Ti in it [10:36] Now the only thing holding it's awesome monster-ness back is the slow IO on the spinning rust [10:37] Running a Windows 7 VM with 2 cores and 4GB of RAM allocated, works like a charm [10:38] You can get away with 256MB for most Linux server VMs that are just web toasters [10:38] Hell, I think that's overkill for most of the tasks I have them running [10:38] I'm running my Redmine instance on a RPi2 [10:39] And the database on my NAS box (although it worked fine using sqlite locally on the RPi) [10:50] Good morning peeps :) [10:52] Yo! [10:53] popey: cheeky [10:54] wat? [10:54] Facebook comment. I guess I should have responded there [10:56] https://t.co/we2U0HpvhS [10:56] sorry, that's a shortlink [10:57] history of ubuntu to date [10:57] I remember using the first version :) [10:57] I lost all interest when it went over to the unity interface [10:59] then try xubuntu, works great for me [11:01] I've been installing Debian lately [11:01] minimal + cinnamon [11:14] JohnHunt: try http://ubuntu-mate.org/ - Mate is the forked continuation of Gnome2 [11:40] cool [11:42] And pronounced Mar-tay, not mate [11:42] Which is an oddity [11:43] lol [11:43] my name is linus [11:43] that'll help promote it... :-) [11:43] and I pronounce linux linux [11:48] and don't get me started on the eejit who pronounces gif as jif... [11:48] i'll set a jorilla on his ass :-) [11:55] haha, oddity that words from another language are pronounced differently [12:00] https://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/English_hard_2learn.html [12:04] http://www.gearbest.com/cell-phones/pp_231265.html [12:04] interesting device [12:08] a lot of spec for not much money [12:11] With some free hidden apps, provided by the Chinese Government? [12:12] the gchq/nsa ones will be installed when you connect to uk network [12:21] popey: Very nice for the price, can't be any worse than HTC garbage [12:25] looks good except the big promo thing says stuff such as "64BITS TURE OCTA CORE" [12:25] Ture? [12:26] does look good though [12:30] apparently the battery isn't so good [12:31] it's a smart phone, of course the battery is crap [12:31] Shut it, Nokiaphile! :-) [12:32] * zmoylan-pi clubs TwistedLucidity with my nokia to silence his dissent... :-P [12:47] * awilkins notes that zmoylan-pi's Nokia still works after clubbing TwistedLucidity to death with it [12:48] no problems with it what so ever. i did see a broken nokia screen last week but it took an encounter with a skip to break it [12:49] plus the nokia has a battery life that lasts more that a day no matter what i do with it === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:04] Their candybar phones are basically the uberphone [13:04] They are the best at being a phone [13:05] It's everyone's insistence on carrying around a pocket computer with a phone function that's the problem for them... [13:06] well i could use java ssh client on my nokia asha 302 to connect to rasp pi at home for full computer... [13:09] like this... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/617691779622637568/photo/1 [13:12] I question the "dumbness" of a phone with a full alphanumeric keypad and a colour LCD display with that many pixels [13:13] This is a proper dumbphone http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/nokia-s-3310-the-greatest-phone-of-all-time-1287636 [13:13] it's a phone that can only run 1 app with a few exceptions, mp3 player, fm radio etc. [13:13] awilkins: https://www.tumblr.com/search/3310 [13:14] the 3310 surely isn't that dumb, it has Snake [13:14] I still have my 3310 in my drawer [13:14] and a 6210 [13:14] My kids powered it on the other week, it *still* had charge :D [13:15] your snake high scores were intact... [13:16] hehe, not sure I ever played it [13:16] tbh, no games on my smartphone either [13:17] i have a very nice java sudoku for my nokia... [13:17] AND a c64 AND a zx spectrum java emulator... [13:17] A c64 java emulator? === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [13:18] yup [13:18] So you can run slow Java programs even slower, and on a C64? :P [13:18] if i want accss to real games :-) [13:24] fun talk about timezones with a choice quote: "when I started in tech I didn't really have career goals. But if I did, one of them wouldn't have been increase political tension in a long-standing conflict in the middle east" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BdFg5JT9lg [13:29] ooh a new time zone video, not Tom Scott's :) [13:35] I think I need to put socks on my feet - I'm cold [13:35] yey for working from home :-p [13:36] put on slippers and break out the cocoa. \o/ [13:40] * zmoylan-pi breaks out winter duvet as cold last night was a little much... === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:48] finally got around to purchasing an SPI-capable USB cable to attempt a bios/efi firmware recovery [14:50] I wonder whether I'll be able to achieve it... [14:50] BusPirate? [14:50] worth a shot tho, 'cos it's a dead mobo otherwies [14:51] Myrtti_, an FTDI C232HM-DDHSL [14:51] http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBMPSSE.htm [14:51] I didn't buy off that site tho - I found a second-hand on ebay for a fiver [14:52] we got a BusPirate trying to get into an old laptop that had bios/efi password protected and the password forgotten [14:52] didn't get anywhere :-| [14:52] :-( [14:53] BusPirate was nice tho, I used it as oscilloscope when I was doing my bouquet [14:53] motherboard didn't have a reset jumper to flush? [14:53] I don't expect laptops would have one of those [14:54] they do but it's harder to get to [14:55] the cable I just paid for is said to be compatible with http://www.flashrom.org/Flashrom which is why I went for it [16:01] diddledan: what machine is it? [16:01] daftykins, it's an MSI mobo [16:02] o0 [16:02] bleh overclockers.co.uk redesigned their site and removed the 'show excluding VAT' option :P [16:02] that is highly frustrating [16:03] they're encouraging mental arithmetic [16:03] it's all part of the UK's new programme to improve the maths skills of the elderly [16:03] ;) [16:03] or us sarnians [16:05] baconsarnians? [16:06] the internet is claiming that bacon gives you cancer [16:07] the internet gives you anxiety induced disorders [16:07] Is there anyone in here who would recommend PHP? [16:07] I like PHP [16:08] I get paid to do PHP :-p [16:08] Currently I'm getting paid to do PHP [16:08] that good, huh? :) [16:08] It's my second day of PHP. I'd rather be getting paid to do Python [16:08] Or Ruby [16:08] I hate Ruby and think it's a horrible little script kiddie language [16:09] Basically been told to patch a PHP ticket tracker until it meets the specs [16:09] I looked at ruby and didn't understand it [16:09] My contention is that I can put up a Ruby ticket tracker that covers the requirements quicker [16:10] Since I can set up this one I had in mind in an afternoon from scratch, I'm already right [16:10] Whereas currently I'm struggling to find the bit I need to patch in this one [16:11] Oh holy mentalist it's 173,000 lines of PHP [16:11] :-o [16:11] Wow [16:11] The other system wins so hard [16:12] redmine is the other system? :-p [16:12] The PHP one is JUST a customer support ticket system [16:12] osticket [16:12] Redmine is the other system [16:12] 115,000 lines of ruby [16:12] yeah, redmine is good [16:12] Including all the unit tests [16:13] The UI and workflow on osticket are good for customer support. So naturally management want to use it to do change tracking. *s8gh* [16:13] that's quite the difference [16:13] then it's your job to persuade them toward seeing sense :D [16:13] Tried that [16:14] "We're already using osTicket" was the answer [16:14] For 60 whole tickets [16:14] Basically one step up from a shared Excel spready [16:15] :| [16:15] i've been asked to attend a meeting soon for some folk that are about to purchase a CRM system [16:15] Yeah, well, I've only administered / transmogrified 5 separate ticket systems with tens of thousands of tickets, and used many more, what the hell do I know... [16:15] i'm predicting the current local IT firm are going to be pushing something nasty like an MS SQL server backed product [16:16] \o/ MS SQL! [16:16] Ugh MSSQL [16:16] we recently had to implement Drupal backed by MSSQL - it still isn't working right [16:16] No.1 PITA when dealing with expensive enterprisey software is getting people to pay for extra instances for dev.... [16:17] Even if it's just an MSDN license [16:17] Then waiting for it to arrive [16:17] And installing it [16:17] When you can just sudo apt-get install [16:18] Even that Redmine instance completely ignoring the OS packages (because gem / bundler and Debian hate each other) [16:18] we were told we MUST use MSSQL because they already had a cluster set up that they wanted to add our drupal install's DB into [16:18] even if this competitor guy of mine says they'll be using SQL Express, that's jut not good in my mind [16:19] *just [16:19] I don't get SQL Express at all [16:19] It's MSSQL only they set the "PRAGMA_CRIPPLE" flag when they compiled it [16:19] i used it for the first time for some client that was contractually obligated to use some horrible facilities management product, i found it nasty - not that i knew what i was doing :D [16:20] 10GB db limit [16:20] guiding a user through installing things via the software centre, I've always wondered by the icon has an anarchy symbol on it [16:20] 1 CPU / 4 core limit [16:20] And the kicker, only allowed 1GB of RAM in process [16:21] :D [16:21] at least it doesn't require a windows server host, that would be cringeworthy [16:21] Oh, and doesn't support compressed volumes [16:22] Not that this matters when your data limit is 10GB [16:22] i've not got a clue of any CRM products though so i don't know what to expect, this client just wants this other IT firm off this company because they are very expensive [16:22] Consulting firms ALWAYS recommend expensive stuff [16:22] I think it's to distract from their bill [16:22] Or they get a kickback [16:22] :D [16:23] WE had one lot that came in recommending StarTeam [16:23] their labour rate is £95/hr too [16:23] £34,000 of licenses [16:23] ouch! [16:23] I said "No, I'll develop the prototype using the SVN server we have in house, ta." [16:23] And then sacked off the SVN and used Bazaar instead [16:23] Because the checkout time was 2 times faster [16:24] Sorry, 6x - 24x faster (depending on version of Bazaar and whether your machine was a horrible corporate malware laden Windows box) [16:24] and considering git is 100x faster than bzr [16:24] actual malware, or Windows hatred there? :) [16:25] I'd use Git these days but the Windows port was too painful at the time [16:25] daftykins, "Corporate malware" : software that makes the computer do the IT department's bidding instead of yours at the expense of your productivity [16:26] In this case, the thing wot hashes every file you access was super fun and took a processing run in the software from about 90s to 14 minutes [16:26] ah right [16:26] what's the ubuntu project and/or canonical's stance on bazaar these days? [16:26] Although the performance improvements I made over the original software were still not swallowed by that [16:27] i just phoned overclockers.co.uk who confirmed they've regressed their site entirely to not handle VAT removal either in display or orders now ;) [16:27] There's still some traffic on the bzr mailing list, and it still remains the official VCS of Launchpad and Ubuntu AFAIK [16:27] nice work, there :> [16:27] daftykins, that's sucky [16:30] I saw a few months back that launchpad had experrymental git support [16:31] HERESY!!!!! [16:31] Nah, I liked Bazaar a lot but I wouldn't go back [16:33] the problem I have with the various SCMs is that they're all equivalent to walled-gardens like the various mobile ecosystems are [16:33] Bazaar tried to be all things (well, more things) and act as a git porcelain [16:34] And the various fast-export things + reposurgeon are positive [16:34] I do think the best route is to make Git easier and better at handling large files [16:35] yeah, the git support should be fun in launchpad [16:35] the accepted solution for large files in git seems to be to store them elsewhere [16:35] Pretty much because it's diff handling doesn't do streams I think [16:35] So it has to hold the whole file in RAM 2 or 3 times [16:36] I still don't understand why e.g. Game Devs use Perforce and advocate so hard for it [16:36] doesn't google use perforce? [16:37] I remember seeing a blog post by the Star Citizen guys "Hey we turned on , aren't we all grown up" [16:38] I just facepalmed.... you're supposed to be _pros_ why wasn't that feature on from day 1 and use of it enforced..... [16:38] This was some time after a couple of alpha releases [16:38] "Oh hey, we get regressions" OH I WONDER WHY [16:39] :) [17:15] http://www.cameronsworld.net/ [17:15] geocities isn't dead! [17:16] groovy === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [20:39] talktalk hack was allegedly a 15yr old boy [20:40] heh [20:40] from ulster [20:43] I think it was the government and they're scapegoating a 15yr old boy :-p [22:12] that there popey has an odd quit message [22:33] * arsenip pokes daftykins [22:33] ow [22:33] hi [22:35] I really wonder what an arse nip feels like [22:35] it sounds painful [22:37] i could lend you my cat for an answer [22:37] lol [22:38] nah she's not done that, she's more the one for slowly creeping up to the top edge of the bed sheets... extending a paw as far as she can reach then poking my face [22:39] "hey... hey... HEY... hoo-man..."